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1tulip
05-12-2011, 08:48 PM
Not a slam at Chesapeakes... honest.

It's just that they are the minority at FT/HT. And Labradors WAAAY out-number Chessies when the ribbons are handed out. So, using liberal reasoning, every lab that makes it to the end has to surrender some of their points to any Chessie who's running. And if it's a very famous and successful lab, say a FC or AFC... they have to surrender at least 35% of their points. They'll be at the top of the "point tax" bracket. And... O my... any lab that's an NFC/NAFC they would have to pay a millionaire's tax. Just trying to be fair.

Maybe Goldens could be considered like Asians. A minority, yeah. But we don't really care about them cause they are not a reliable constituency and they seem to do OK without the extra help.

BonMallari
05-12-2011, 08:58 PM
Not a slam at Chesapeakes... honest.

It's just that they are the minority at FT/HT. And Labradors WAAAY out-number Chessies when the ribbons are handed out. So, using liberal reasoning, every lab that makes it to the end has to surrender some of their points to any Chessie who's running. And if it's a very famous and successful lab, say a FC or AFC... they have to surrender at least 35% of their points. They'll be at the top of the "point tax" bracket. And... O my... any lab that's an NFC/NAFC they would have to pay a millionaire's tax. Just trying to be fair.

Maybe Goldens could be considered like Asians. A minority, yeah. But we don't really care about them cause they are not a reliable constituency and they seem to do OK without the extra help.

Now you're comparing ME to a Golden Retriever :confused:...I dont wear bandanas,I don't have feathery hair,and although I love blondes,I am definitely not one...:p:p

duk4me
05-12-2011, 09:08 PM
Not a slam at Chesapeakes... honest.

It's just that they are the minority at FT/HT. And Labradors WAAAY out-number Chessies when the ribbons are handed out. So, using liberal reasoning, every lab that makes it to the end has to surrender some of their points to any Chessie who's running. And if it's a very famous and successful lab, say a FC or AFC... they have to surrender at least 35% of their points. They'll be at the top of the "point tax" bracket. And... O my... any lab that's an NFC/NAFC they would have to pay a millionaire's tax. Just trying to be fair.

Maybe Goldens could be considered like Asians. A minority, yeah. But we don't really care about them cause they are not a reliable constituency and they seem to do OK without the extra help.

Wow simply wow.........

1tulip
05-12-2011, 09:35 PM
Now you're comparing ME to a Golden Retriever :confused:...I dont wear bandanas,I don't have feathery hair,and although I love blondes,I am definitely not one...:p:p

Yeah. We are totally NOT giving scholarships and small business loans and government contracts to Goldens. They can just make it on their own.

Ken Bora
05-12-2011, 09:44 PM
hmmmm....
so what happens when 100% of the Chesapeakes entered in a field test qualify and only 25% of the black labs do????:rolleyes:
I don't need your stinkin' affirmative action cause I can smack that test all on my own self!:cool:
ever notice how the john q public 80% of the population type always have a exceptionally talented minority tutor?:o


just step back and let the strange kid show ya how it's done.;)
 

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.
And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Hunting retriever dream.
I have a dream that one day this RTF will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Retrievers are created equal."
I have a dream that one day in the gallery of tests and trials across the land, the sons of Labrador Retrievers and the sons of Chesapeake bay Retrievers and Golden Retrievers and Curly and Flat coated and NSDTR's and Barbets and Poodles and all water Spaniels and even Visuals will be able to sit down together at the table of waterfowl testing.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of "just hunting dogs", sweltering with the heat of Black Labs, will be transformed into an oasis of off breeds and Field Tests.
I have a dream that All retrievers will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their Fur but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
 
 
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I mean no disrespect to the late Dr. King and the cause he championed in his very short time on this speck of dust we call home.


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BHB
05-12-2011, 09:46 PM
As a chessie owner I will have to take you up on your offer of "affirmative action".

After all we have heard that most of the black, smooth haired dogs will just hold us back anyway. After years of being "held back" by the black dogs it proves to us that we can not make it on our own work. There's no use in trying anymore as the black, smooth haired dogs have conspired to keep us inferior to them.

I'll be by to pick up our first place ribbon and cup before the trial starts. After all, the president promised us this! He has his own stash of ribbons just for us!

BHB

1tulip
05-12-2011, 09:50 PM
Are you asking if Chesapeakes are represented at the ribbon ceremony in far excess of their % of the retriever population, will they no longer get special consideration?

Pfft!

Don't be ridiculous. Labradors have had the good life. They've hit the lottery in competitive retrieving. Not only should they pay their point tax... they have to pay reparations to all Chesapeakes.

1tulip
05-12-2011, 10:32 PM
Oh... and in spite of what we know to be true statistically, there are very few Labradors who have been brave enough to come out of the closet. This is because of the deep seated prejudices of "Big Breeding". Consequently, Breeders will have their AKC subsidies revoked, and any openly gay Labrador (especially bench champions) will be given the Blue ribbons at FT's. Because Blue is such a lovely color.

tim bonnema
05-13-2011, 11:05 PM
Amen brother Bora, Can I get a Amen.
Yea though I walk through the gallery of Labardor, I shall fear no retrieve for my Chessie is at my side. His marking, style and perseverance comfort me.

dback
05-13-2011, 11:34 PM
Not bad Brother Bora.....but......what the hell is a "Visual"????? Are you 'Visualizing' all retrievers being equal???? Cause I know you're not suggesting "Vizslas" should be given an equal share. Seriously.....have you ever 'waterfowl' hunted over a Vizsla??????? Them suckers start shivering at the mere sound of someone 'poppin' the top of a PBR. And that's here in Az.....can't imagine what one would do when he stuck his delicate tootsie in them icy waters of Colorado, Minn or the Chesapeake Bay!!!!! ;-)

hotel4dogs
05-14-2011, 06:35 AM
this forum needs a "like" button on the posts, so that we can just make a little comment how much we enjoy some of them.

Gerry Clinchy
05-14-2011, 09:44 AM
Now you're comparing ME to a Golden Retriever :confused:...

Well ... they come in varying shades from very light to very dark; they are smart and sweet, and will keep your feet warm on a cold night.

Julie R.
05-14-2011, 10:11 AM
Are you asking if Chesapeakes are represented at the ribbon ceremony in far excess of their % of the retriever population, will they no longer get special consideration?

Pfft!

Don't be ridiculous. Labradors have had the good life. They've hit the lottery in competitive retrieving. Not only should they pay their point tax... they have to pay reparations to all Chesapeakes.

We need legislation ensuring that Chesapeakes are represented in all ribbon ceremonies and that judges who do not place them shall be subject to monetary sanctions and sensitivity training. Reparations shall include retroactive blue ribbons/qualifying placements and titles to all Chesapeakes that were overlooked in favor of black smooth coated dogs. ;-)

Uncle Bill
05-14-2011, 02:11 PM
We need legislation ensuring that Chesapeakes are represented in all ribbon ceremonies and that judges who do not place them shall be subject to monetary sanctions and sensitivity training. Reparations shall include retroactive blue ribbons/qualifying placements and titles to all Chesapeakes that were overlooked in favor of black smooth coated dogs. ;-)


Does this mean you, Julie, are starting up a seperate party? You know you can rely on Ken's vote, and it looks like several others too. How 'progressive' will you folks be?:confused: Are you leaning towards Ron Paul as your standard bearer...because I've always heard when you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on complete approval and assistance from Paul.;-)

What's incredibly sad about this entire tongue-in-cheek thread and the fun we are having with it, 1 Tulip has originated an analogy that is all to factual to be 'just' funny.

UB

Ken Bora
05-14-2011, 08:27 PM
nothing is set in stone. imagine some scandal about Julie breaking the night before the erection.
It's one of the reason I never vote early/absentee. Unless I actually need to be absent.
 
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huntinman
05-14-2011, 09:45 PM
nothing is set in stone. imagine some scandal about Julie breaking the night before the erection.
It's one of the reason I never vote early/absentee. Unless I actually need to be absent.
 
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Is this something that goes on only occasionaly in the north woods? or did you mean Election?

Marvin S
05-14-2011, 09:58 PM
I disagree that there needs to be a change. The chessy folks just need to step to the plate & do the job W/O Affirmative Action.

I have fond memories of Eloise with 70+ stitches in her arms when she went in the crate after Tiger, but her dogs competed with the best of them. & Hans Kuck's little dog thought he was a labrador, what a performer. & I didn't see them all, apparently IRC had a contingent of loyal chessie people before my time in the sport.

So I represent the other side, who believes you need to get better hiring practices. But the damn things do stink when wet :).

1tulip
05-14-2011, 10:07 PM
I'm thinking it has to be the Chessies who deface trial grounds with all that gang-graffiti. I've heard it said they can't win the FT, but they'll win the fight afterwards.

Just kidding, just kidding! Why... some of my best friends are Chessies. I mean, they're fine dogs and all. Wouldn't want my little girl to marry one, you know... but... I'm not prejudiced or anything. Long as they know they're place and all. I'm just sayin'

tim bonnema
05-14-2011, 11:19 PM
Hey, Any one here know what dog was the first FC retriever? How about the first DC retriever? What breed dominated the Trials before the labs got their affirmative action imposed by the blind retrieve?

Just saying.

1tulip
05-14-2011, 11:41 PM
Hey, Any one here know what dog was the first FC retriever? How about the first DC retriever? What breed dominated the Trials before the labs got their affirmative action imposed by the blind retrieve?

Just saying.

FC? DC?

Or AC/DC?

dback
05-15-2011, 05:42 AM
I'm thinking it has to be the Chessies who deface trial grounds with all that gang-graffiti. I've heard it said they can't win the FT, but they'll win the fight afterwards.

Just kidding, just kidding! Why... some of my best friends are Chessies. I mean, they're fine dogs and all. Wouldn't want my little girl to marry one, you know... but... I'm not prejudiced or anything. Long as they know they're place and all. I'm just sayin'

LMAO.......Now that's some funny shait tulip.......good job. :-) :-)

Gerry Clinchy
05-15-2011, 10:13 AM
Hey, Any one here know what dog was the first FC retriever? How about the first DC retriever? What breed dominated the Trials before the labs got their affirmative action imposed by the blind retrieve?


When field trials first started in the early 40s were "Golden Years" for Goldens. I don't remember all the names, but Goldens were winning NFC titles back then.

K9data lists FC Rip as the first Golden FC. He was born in 1935, died 1941. He won the Field & Stream Challenge Cup in 1939 & 1940. I don't think there was any NFC or NAFC existing back then.

We do know that Flat-Coats pre-dated Goldens in history. The Golden breed only came into existence around 1865, ostensibly based on a yellow "reject" from a Flat-Coat litter & the now-extinct Tweed Water Spaniel.

The first Golden Dual CH (again from k9data) is shown as Stilrovin Rip's Pride (born 1941, died 1950) He was a grandson of Rip, the first FC. Doesn't give the date of when he got the Dual CH title.

Someone told me (don't remember who), back in those days the Goldens were considered the superior water dogs :-)

Leaving it to someone else to fill in the blanks of the other breeds.

tim bonnema
05-15-2011, 11:10 AM
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FC Skipper Bob was the FIRST retriever (any breed) to become a FC; DC Sodak's Gypsy Prince was the FIRST retriever (any breed) to become a DC. 1/10/35 for Skipper Bob and 3/20/37 for Sodak's Gypsy Prince

By the way DC is dual champion if you were wondering

Ken Bora
05-15-2011, 11:17 AM
FC? DC?

Or AC/DC?


got a clue vs. lost in the dark

who are you? who, who.... who, who.... ;-) :cool:



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