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JDogger
07-01-2011, 09:46 PM
I'll try to be polite.

With everyone trying to walk on eggs, I'll try to open a political dicussion.

There are a slew of republican candidates. I don't want to make this a poll.

Who would you support as a GOP candidate if the primary was held tomorrow?

Why?

JD

M&K's Retrievers
07-01-2011, 10:50 PM
JD, your not going to like my answer, but here goes. I don't care for any of the current GOP candidates. Having said that, I would prefer any of these idiots over the current POTUS. I truly believe this man with the help of the Senate can (is) do(ing) more harm to this country than any other Democrat. His apparent goal is to bankrupt the country and turn what is remaining into a populace living on the government tit. If you made me pick, I think I would pick Perry. I don't like the SOB but he's my SOB.:confused:

BHB
07-01-2011, 10:57 PM
I'm not really fond of any of them either but... any one of them would make a fine president other than the one we have now!

BHB

JDogger
07-01-2011, 11:11 PM
JD, your not going to like my answer, but here goes. I don't care for any of the current GOP candidates. Having said that, I would prefer any of these idiots over the current POTUS. I truly believe this man with the help of the Senate can (is) do(ing) more harm to this country than any other Democrat. His apparent goal is to bankrupt the country and turn what is remaining into a populace living on the government tit. If you made me pick, I think I would pick Perry. I don't like the SOB but he's my SOB.:confused:

...and your choice, sir, is certainly your choice. I do not choose to defend BHO and the dems. I condem all who have brought us to this point.

My question lies in who you would choose to replace our most imperfect with, and why?

Perry?
Again...Why?
Just anybody but... does not explain the why.

Hugh

Marvin S
07-01-2011, 11:27 PM
Who would you support as a GOP candidate if the primary was held tomorrow?

Why?

JD

I think a better question would be - who would you not support, which is most of them :) :o .

M&K's Retrievers
07-01-2011, 11:41 PM
...and your choice, sir, is certainly your choice. I do not choose to defend BHO and the dems. I condem all who have brought us to this point.

My question lies in who you would choose to replace our most imperfect with, and why?

Perry?
Again...Why?
Just anybody but... does not explain the why.

Hugh

Because I'm familiar with him and he is a Lab person. Weak reasons I admit, but I really don't know squat about the others running other than:

Romney out because of health care.
Newt out because he's a bigger egotist than Obama and a flake.
Pawlenty out because he didn't go after Romney when he had the chance.
Palin out not strong enough, lack of experience.
Cain out because of lack of experience.
Paul out because of age. Yes I said it. Age
Bachmann out because I 'm not sure she can win.
Santorum out because I don't know enough about him.

These may not be good reasons but they are my reasons. Hopefully, there is someone in the wood pile who will surface and become a strong front runner but I can't imagine anyone smart enough to do a good job being dumb enough to take it.

Who's your pick?

JDogger
07-02-2011, 12:28 AM
Because I'm familiar with him and he is a Lab person. Weak reasons I admit, but I really don't know squat about the others running other than:

Romney out because of health care.
Newt out because he's a bigger egotist than Obama and a flake.
Pawlenty out because he didn't go after Romney when he had the chance.
Palin out not strong enough, lack of experience.
Cain out because of lack of experience.
Paul out because of age. Yes I said it. Age
Bachmann out because I 'm not sure she can win.
Santorum out because I don't know enough about him.

These may not be good reasons but they are my reasons. Hopefully, there is someone in the wood pile who will surface and become a strong front runner but I can't imagine anyone smart enough to do a good job being dumb enough to take it.

Who's your pick?

My former gov. Gary Johnson. JD
But I'll admit, he's a way long shot.

charly_t
07-02-2011, 12:29 AM
Never Santorum...........Dog bills he keeps backing are not the product of a good mind.

Not Palin this time. Never newt. Most of the current front runners are nothing that I would have picked for the job. I need to hear more from all of them except the ones that I have mentioned. Those that I mentioned will never be back on my list.

zeus3925
07-02-2011, 07:55 AM
Dick Lugar, but he is too smart to run.

twall
07-02-2011, 09:01 AM
Cain out because of lack of experience.

I'm not sure that is true. You could qualify it by saying political experience.

I think Cain has more important experience than most of the other candidates. It is a long time until I get to vote and I have a lot to learn about the candidates. To turn this country around we need to make profound changes to the way we are doing things. Recycling people just because they have experience in politics is going to get us basically the same results that got us here!

Tom

caryalsobrook
07-02-2011, 09:08 AM
Because I'm familiar with him and he is a Lab person. Weak reasons I admit, but I really don't know squat about the others running other than:

Romney out because of health care.
Newt out because he's a bigger egotist than Obama and a flake.
Pawlenty out because he didn't go after Romney when he had the chance.
Palin out not strong enough, lack of experience.
Cain out because of lack of experience.
Paul out because of age. Yes I said it. Age
Bachmann out because I 'm not sure she can win.
Santorum out because I don't know enough about him.

These may not be good reasons but they are my reasons. Hopefully, there is someone in the wood pile who will surface and become a strong front runner but I can't imagine anyone smart enough to do a good job being dumb enough to take it.

Who's your pick?

Chris Cristy as Pres and Herman Caine for VP. I know Chris says he won't run but it aint over til the fat lady sings. Herman would be the pit bull and could go after Obama for all his predictions and results. It would be funny to see the libs call him racist, maybe they would just call him the white man's houseboy. yes I know Herman has no gov. experience but look where political experience has gotten us.

Wonder what the dems will do if the economy takes a severe downturn? Somebody challenge Obama? Maybe Cuomo of NY? looks like he has read the numbers and he is cutting in NY.

Plenty to attack Obama with. He said unemployment would not go over 8% if stimulus bill passed. It hasn't been below (% since it passed. He said credit card interest rates would drop and bank fees would drop if the finantial bill passed. Credit card interest went up 11% the first month and bank fees have increased. He said that if Obamacare passed and you had health insurance, you could keep it and that insurance premiums would go down. Over 2000 waivers and still many will lose their health insurance and premiums have gone through the roof. This is just the start of what he has said and what has happened. You know all these racist things but what if Herman Caine says them?

huntinman
07-02-2011, 09:18 AM
It's the same question you have been asking for the last 2 months... got a new one?

Uncle Bill
07-02-2011, 05:36 PM
Dick Lugar, but he is too smart to run.


Hey!...thar ya go...One of the real RINO's...sort of an OBAMA lite. He's never known a pile of pork he wouldn't love to wallow in.

He should run for POTUS, because there's an excellant chance he won't be returning to the Senate.:cool:

UB

Clay Rogers
07-02-2011, 08:44 PM
I'll try to be polite.

With everyone trying to walk on eggs, I'll try to open a political dicussion.

There are a slew of republican candidates. I don't want to make this a poll.

Who would you support as a GOP candidate if the primary was held tomorrow?

Why?

JD



Hey JD, I have a question for you. If the general election was tomorrow, would you vote to re-elect Obama? Why or why not?

caryalsobrook
07-02-2011, 09:22 PM
Hey JD, I have a question for you. If the general election was tomorrow, would you vote to re-elect Obama? Why or why not?
Good luck on getting a straight answer:)

Down East Labs 217
07-03-2011, 07:14 AM
Hey JD, I have a question for you. If the general election was tomorrow, would you vote to re-elect Obama? Why or why not?

As usual the original question can not be answered. It is re-directed to stir the pot. If you want to change the subject line than start your own post. This is the way POTUS got shut down last time.

Richard

Clay Rogers
07-03-2011, 07:41 AM
As usual the original question can not be answered. It is re-directed to stir the pot. If you want to change the subject line than start your own post. This is the way POTUS got shut down last time.

Richard


Not stirring the pot at all. Asking a simple question, on the same subject line as the OP.

As far as who I would vote for and why, out of the current or proposed republican canidates, none of them. They all lack something that the POTUS needs, leadership ability. Now if Christy wants to change his mind and run, he will get my vote. But until one of these canidates shows some leadership ability, the field is looking pretty thin, and that includes the current POTUS as well.

Down East Labs 217
07-03-2011, 07:45 AM
Not stirring the pot at all. Asking a simple question, on the same subject line as the OP.

As far as who I would vote for and why, out of the current or proposed republican canidates, none of them. They all lack something that the POTUS needs, leadership ability. Now if Christy wants to change his mind and run, he will get my vote. But until one of these canidates shows some leadership ability, the field is looking pretty thin, and that includes the current POTUS as well.

You have answered the original question.

Richard

Gerry Clinchy
07-03-2011, 10:10 AM
Cain -- lack of political experience, but knows how to balance a budget! How could he have less experience than Obama was elected with?

He will be faulted because he reduced the workforce to make Godfather Pizza turn around. As President he could make some decisions that are unpopular with a lot of people.

He is faulted for his tenure with the Federal Reserve. But who better to know how that behemoth works? More experience, I'm sure, than Obama has/had on that score.

Can't win because of lack of name recognition? Who was Obama in 2006? (just 2 years before he was elected). Who expected him to win the nomination over Hillary?

We keep electing those with political experience ... hasn't worked out that well.

The freshman Congressmen have been faulted for failing to go along with the entrenched establishment. God bless 'em! Need more of that.

He needs more foreign policy knowledge. We can see that Obama was pretty lacking there, and hasn't done real well in learning. Cain will need to do better in choosing his "tutors".

One thing is for sure ... he knows what it means to earn a living. That is a factor that has been notably missing in our Presidents for a l-o-n-g time.

I like this guy. Is he perfect? Probably not ... but at least he has some character. He and Allen West could make quite a team. Not to mention that both could make for interesting debates. Can you imagine West debating Biden?

Andy Symons
07-03-2011, 10:24 AM
I like Cain, but not sure he's electable. Some of you need to dig into Christie's voting/support record. Can you say RINO?

huntinman
07-03-2011, 11:17 AM
As usual the original question can not be answered. It is re-directed to stir the pot. If you want to change the subject line than start your own post. This is the way POTUS got shut down last time.

Richard

This is not even close to what got POTUS shut down the first time.

Gerry Clinchy
07-03-2011, 01:30 PM
I like Cain, but not sure he's electable. Some of you need to dig into Christie's voting/support record. Can you say RINO?

As the primaries progress, if some others drop out & give their support to Cain, that could change, I think.

Franco
07-03-2011, 02:05 PM
Who would you support as a GOP candidate if the primary was held tomorrow?

Why?

JD

This way too tough a question for the extreme right! They are only capable with tossing jabs and have a difficult time articulating reason.

But hey, I ain't shy;)

RON PAUL!

Why you ask?

Because;

*He and his son are the only ones that have come up with a realistic budget to address the budget and the deficit. Even Paul Ryan's budget plan kicks the problem down the road for the next administration to deal with.
A) He would end useless Fed Departments and Agencies.
B) He is basically an Isolationist when the USA needs isolation more then any time in our history. Think "America First" on this. Like instead of spending 3 TRILLION borrowed dollars and 4,000+ USA lives on two wars. RP would have never gotten us into that mess. Money that would better serve us had it been spent domestically or better yet, not spent at all!
C) He would end all Foreign Aide. Unlike all the rest both Dem and Repub who like paying cash tribute for peace and friendship, R Paul sees this as a weakness of our Foreign Policy. How do you feel sending your tax dollars to Pakistan?
D) He is a Libertarian which means his core is a small Fed Gov. The mess we are in today is because of the size of our Fed Gov. and the buying of votes via entitlements.

There is more but, I'm in the process of grilling some Lemonfish and BBQing some shrimp Emril style.

later

M&K's Retrievers
07-03-2011, 02:21 PM
This way too tough a question for the extreme right! They are only capable with tossing jabs and have a difficult time articulating reason.

But hey, I ain't shy;)

RON PAUL!

Why you ask?

Because;

*He and his son are the only ones that have come up with a realistic budget to address the budget and the deficit. Even Paul Ryan's budget plan kicks the problem down the road for the next administration to deal with.
A) He would end useless Fed Departments and Agencies.
B) He is basically an Isolationist when the USA needs isolation more then any time in our history. Think "America First" on this. Like instead of spending 3 TRILLION borrowed dollars and 4,000+ USA lives on two wars. RP would have never gotten us into that mess. Money that would better serve us had it been spent domestically or better yet, not spent at all!
C) He would end all Foreign Aide. Unlike all the rest both Dem and Repub who like paying cash tribute for peace and friendship, R Paul sees this as a weakness of our Foreign Policy. How do you feel sending your tax dollars to Pakistan?
D) He is a Libertarian which means his core is a small Fed Gov. The mess we are in today is because of the size of our Fed Gov. and the buying of votes via entitlements.

There is more but, I'm in the process of grilling some Lemonfish and BBQing some shrimp Emril style.

later

If elected, he would be 77 when sworn in and 81 when running for reelection. I believe that makes him unelectable.

Franco
07-03-2011, 02:27 PM
If elected, he would be 77 when sworn in and 81 when running for reelection. I believe that makes him unelectable.



But, the question is "who would you support".

I still believe there there is wisdom that comes with age.;-)

And, looking over the field of Presidential wannabes, I say the Ron Paul has been saying the things that have now become popular to say like shrinking the size of the Fed Gov and the spending for decades. Yet, they won't give RP the credit for being the original on smaller government and balanced budgets.

His ideas are what the the Tea Party is all about when it comes to fiscal responsibility! I'm just not sure what else the Teas have up thier sleeves. However, the Tea Party took a page from the Libertarian Platform with the smaller government, balanced budget ideas.

I'll stick with the original!

P S

The Tea Party prefers Bachmann but, the Beer Party says, "Ron Paul in 12"!

M&K's Retrievers
07-03-2011, 02:52 PM
But, the question is "who would you support".

I still believe there there is wisdom that comes with age.;-)

And, looking over the field of Presidential wannabes, I say the Ron Paul has been saying the things that have now become popular to say like shrinking the size of the Fed Gov and the spending for decades. Yet, they won't give RP the credit for being the original on smaller government and balanced budgets.

His ideas are what the the Tea Party is all about when it comes to fiscal responsibility! I'm just not sure what else the Teas have up thier sleeves. However, the Tea Party took a page from the Libertarian Platform with the smaller government, balanced budget ideas.

I'll stick with the original!

I don't care if he has the greatest ideas and philosophy in the world. If he's unelectable, and I believe he is, he's worthless as a candidate. With him as as candidate, we would be assured of 4 more years of socialism under Obama and, more importantly, the one or two more Supreme Court Justices he may appoint.

Franco
07-03-2011, 03:07 PM
I don't care if he has the greatest ideas and philosophy in the world. If he's unelectable, and I believe he is, he's worthless as a candidate. With him as as candidate, we would be assured of 4 more years of socialism under Obama and, more importantly, the one or two more Supreme Court Justices he may appoint.


I disagree.

I think Ron Paul has the best chance of all the GOP wannabes.

Other then Cain, all the other candidates have too narrow an appeal.

Other then Cain or Bachmann, all the others represent the same old GOP.

Bachmann only has the vocal Tea Party behind her and I doubt the majority support among Repubs.

Cain is the wildcard.

Ron Paul has the fical conservatives, Libertarians, Independents with the latter two being the fastest growing group of voters.

Ron Paul gets very little support from the GOP. But, he will get the support from voters!

Andy Symons
07-03-2011, 03:28 PM
But, the question is "who would you support".

I still believe there there is wisdom that comes with age.;-)

And, looking over the field of Presidential wannabes, I say the Ron Paul has been saying the things that have now become popular to say like shrinking the size of the Fed Gov and the spending for decades. Yet, they won't give RP the credit for being the original on smaller government and balanced budgets.

His ideas are what the the Tea Party is all about when it comes to fiscal responsibility! I'm just not sure what else the Teas have up thier sleeves. However, the Tea Party took a page from the Libertarian Platform with the smaller government, balanced budget ideas.

I'll stick with the original!

P S

The Tea Party prefers Bachmann but, the Beer Party says, "Ron Paul in 12"!

Yes, some of his idea's are what people are clamoring for. It's his other idea's that turn off the majority of conservatives. He's way too far right to get elected though. I hope he can bring some of his solutions into the discussion. That would be a good thing.

road kill
07-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Perry & Bachman.

TX has created as many jobs in the last 3 years as the rest of the USA combined.

That will (and should) be the main issue.
The economy, jobs and SPENDING!!!!


I would love to see Bachman and "BFD" Joe debate!!!!:D
Just not sure if Joe can stay awake long enough..........


RK

huntinman
07-03-2011, 09:09 PM
Perry & Bachman.

TX has created as many jobs in the last 3 years as the rest of the USA combined.

That will (and should) be the main issue.
The economy, jobs and SPENDING!!!!


I would love to see Bachman and "BFD" Joe debate!!!!:D
Just not sure if Joe can stay awake long enough..........


RK


Like to see BHO and Perry debate WITHOUT the telepromter!

zeus3925
07-03-2011, 09:11 PM
Hey!...thar ya go...One of the real RINO's...sort of an OBAMA lite. He's never known a pile of pork he wouldn't love to wallow in.

He should run for POTUS, because there's an excellant chance he won't be returning to the Senate.:cool:

UB

Hey I lived in Indiana and Lugar is as straight an arrow as they come. He got my vote then and he'd get it again .

Gerry Clinchy
07-03-2011, 09:43 PM
Two things bother me about Ron Paul ... first, his age. I don't think I want a 78-yr old POTUS unless his VP is as good as he is. And then a second term? He'd be 82 running for a second term; and 86 by the end of a second term. If the R's want two terms, it would probably have to be Paul's VP. Even now, I don't think Paul is as sharp as he was four years ago.

There is no question in my mind that the position of POTUS requires a lot of stamina to handle the stress. Do you notice how a POTUS ages during his term(s)? And most of them have been a whole lot younger than Paul. You can even see it in Obama.

Remember, that was a big issue with McCain for some voters, and he's younger than Paul. And Palin didn't inspire enough confidence as a POTUS if she had to take over.

I don't like at all that Paul threw his support in 08 to Ralph Nader. How did that improve anything? What was the point to that? If he got the nomination, would he pick Nader as his VP?

M&K's Retrievers
07-04-2011, 12:24 AM
I don't like at all that Paul threw his support in 08 to Ralph Nader. How did that improve anything? What was the point to that? If he got the nomination, would he pick Nader as his VP?

Holy Snikies!!

subroc
07-04-2011, 03:27 PM
Could the MSMs constant and unprecedented attacks on Backman backfire? Could she actually win?

zeus3925
07-04-2011, 04:57 PM
Could the MSMs constant and unprecedented attacks on Backman backfire? Could she actually win?

Nope. Bachmann keeps putting her foot in her mouth over and over and making herself look like a ditz. Those wounds I'm afraid are all self inflicted. She exists only because of a $15 million war chest in the last congressional election.

If she is elected POTUS the long running attacks on her will be never ending-- not to mention the great fun comedians will have at her expense .

BonMallari
07-04-2011, 06:39 PM
Nope. Bachmann keeps putting her foot in her mouth over and over and making herself look like a ditz. Those wounds I'm afraid are all self inflicted. She exists only because of a $15 million war chest in the last congressional election.

If she is elected POTUS the long running attacks on her will be never ending-- not to mention the great fun comedians will have at her expense .


Wow, this seems like the Sarah Palin attacks all over again, only this time the left has underestimated just how much more of a schooled politician they are dealing with...dont think she will get the nomination, but will warrant a serious consideration as the # 2 on the ticket, with the right nominee could be a formidable team

subroc
07-04-2011, 07:04 PM
the left just loathes republican women

zeus3925
07-04-2011, 07:14 PM
Not all republican women are ditzes. But, hey, this is America and we are free to support whoever we want.

M&K's Retrievers
07-04-2011, 07:43 PM
Not all republican women are ditzes. But, hey, this is America and we are free to support whoever we want.

As all democrat women are not genius either. I'd say most are not.

Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Waters,Lee, Johnson regards,

BonMallari
07-05-2011, 03:30 AM
Not all republican women are ditzes. But, hey, this is America and we are free to support whoever we want.


Your response speaks volumes about how you view the opposite sex...just the fact that you label the Republican women, is telling enough...but you are right about one thing ...we are free to support whoever we want ;-)

Pete
07-05-2011, 08:54 AM
I don't like at all that Paul threw his support in 08 to Ralph Nader. How did that improve anything? What was the point to that? If he got the nomination, would he pick Nader as his VP

I actually like that. nater and paul may be considered goobers,,,but they have more honesty in their stools than the rest of the bunch put together. Screw the parties. We will continue down the same road if we don't start doing something right.

Pete

huntinman
07-05-2011, 09:03 AM
I actually like that. nater and paul may be considered goobers,,,but they have more honesty in their stools than the rest of the bunch put together. Screw the parties. We will continue down the same road if we don't start doing something right.

Pete

But you have to be realistic. In today's internet and TV world, no one that looks like Ron Paul is getting elected for National office... period. To top that off, when he starts talking, about half the time you can't make heads nor tails of what he is talking about. Did you catch the last debate? He rambled on like he was on drugs...hmmm. No elves in the White House regards...

zeus3925
07-05-2011, 09:35 AM
Your response speaks volumes about how you view the opposite sex...just the fact that you label the Republican women, is telling enough...but you are right about one thing ...we are free to support whoever we want ;-)

Wrong there, Bon. I thought my remark excluded the majority of republican women. Most are not ditzes. But two of the front runners appear to have a disconnect between mind and lips.

road kill
07-05-2011, 09:39 AM
Wrong there, Bon. I thought my remark excluded the majority of republican women. Most are not ditzes. But two of the front runners appear to have a disconnect between mind and lips.


Just curious, if Bachman is a ditz to you because of the disconnect of mind and lips, what term would you use to describe Joe (RBFD) Biden??

Just askin'.......


Oh, I am likin' Perry and Bachman as a solid ticket I could support!


RK

zeus3925
07-05-2011, 10:26 AM
Just curious, if Bachman is a ditz to you because of the disconnect of mind and lips, what term would you use to describe Joe (RBFD) Biden??

Just askin'.......


Oh, I am likin' Perry and Bachman as a solid ticket I could support!


RK

How do you spell "Flap Jaw"?

subroc
07-05-2011, 10:27 AM
As all democrat women are not genius either. I'd say most are not.

Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Waters,Lee, Johnson regards,

you have an all star cast there

Cody Covey
07-05-2011, 11:17 AM
Are you guys serious about Bachmann? She is either a liar or just plain stupid. Not sure how I feel about Perry with his views on immigration. Unfortunately he may be the best hope we have even with those views. The only two I would seriously consider would be Perry or Romney. I will vote third party if any of the current others get the nomination...

road kill
07-05-2011, 11:22 AM
Are you guys serious about Bachmann? She is either a liar or just plain stupid. Not sure how I feel about Perry with his views on immigration. Unfortunately he may be the best hope we have even with those views. The only two I would seriously consider would be Perry or Romney. I will vote third party if any of the current others get the nomination...
What Perry has going for him is private sector job growth.

That will ( and should be) the single most important component to this election.
Jobs/economy!!!

RK

M&K's Retrievers
07-05-2011, 11:50 AM
.... I will vote third party if any of the current others get the nomination...

That'll do a lot of good. A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama. :confused:

BHB
07-05-2011, 11:53 AM
Are you guys serious about Bachmann? She is either a liar or just plain stupid. Not sure how I feel about Perry with his views on immigration. Unfortunately he may be the best hope we have even with those views. The only two I would seriously consider would be Perry or Romney. I will vote third party if any of the current others get the nomination...

Look at it realistically... no third party candidate has even the slightest chance to win the presidency. Oh, they may get a few more votes here and there but enough for the office? Not likely. If a person chooses to vote 3rd party they might as well stay home. It would have to be an EXTREMELY strong candidate and from what I see out there, there is no one even close.

Not only will that vote not count, it will take votes away from one of the other candidates of the major parties and then we get stuck with someone that the majority of the country doesn't want. That 3rd part guy may look tempting but... visions of Ross Perot comes to mind and then we got another 4 yrs of Willy.

Last I checked, nobody is perfect. We all have skeletons in our closet that we don't want anyone to know about from the tiniest white lies to... who knows! No candidate is perfect. No voter is perfect. Why do we let the media tell us who to vote for or who has this imperfection or this problem or that. The media is nothing more than an arrogant, elitist group that is trying to manipulate the vote.

Realistically, just about any of the repub. candidates would be a huge relief and can do a much better job over the current administration. Heck, that homeless guy down the street could do a better job than the current POTUS!

BHB

Cody Covey
07-05-2011, 12:42 PM
That'll do a lot of good. A vote for a third party is a vote for Obama. :confused:

I would much rather vote a third party than vote for someone that supports issues I fundamentally disagree with or that I think would make this country worse off than Obama....aka Bachmann

bbmclain
07-05-2011, 12:49 PM
I would much rather vote a third party than vote for someone that supports issues I fundamentally disagree with or that I think would make this country worse off than Obama....aka Bachmann

Wow....you CERTAINLY view the world thru different eyes than I. NO politician has EVER undone more of the American Dream more than Obummer.

Uncle Bill
07-05-2011, 01:02 PM
I would much rather vote a third party than vote for someone that supports issues I fundamentally disagree with or that I think would make this country worse off than Obama....aka Bachmann

And Bachmann would make this country worse than Obama How???? By eliminating Obamacare? By putting the USA first, rather than some muslim brothers? By reducing the size of the debt? By favoring a balanced budget? By eliminating all the czar positions appointed by Obama?

What 'issues' does she 'fundamentally' support that you despise? I'm having trouble determining what form of RINO you actually are...if you even fall under the R symbol.

Furthermore, please tell us which Republican 'women' you favor, as opposed to a Bachmann or Palin? And what have they accomplished? Or don't you actually know of any?

You are beginning to fall under the label of "with friends like you, we don't need any enemies."

Voting for a 3rd party candidate is as foolish as voting for Obama, because it accomplishes the same thing. Furthermore, if a 3rd party had anything beyond a questionable candidate for POTUS...like some Congressional party candidates, they might have a chance of being considered anything other than sour grapes.

UB

Cody Covey
07-05-2011, 01:03 PM
so you believe there is no candidate worse than Obama just because they have an R by there name? Obama may be bad....I feel Bachmann would be worse.

Uncle Bill
07-05-2011, 01:08 PM
so you believe there is no candidate worse than Obama just because they have an R by there name? Obama may be bad....I feel Bachmann would be worse.


Pretty much what I suspected. You fall in line with this crowd. Hope you have a chance to explain that to your offspring.

UB

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but the citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.

It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency, than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

-- Author Unknown

RailRoadRetrievers
07-05-2011, 01:19 PM
Are you guys serious about Bachmann? She is either a liar or just plain stupid. Not sure how I feel about Perry with his views on immigration. Unfortunately he may be the best hope we have even with those views. The only two I would seriously consider would be Perry or Romney. I will vote third party if any of the current others get the nomination...

What is Perry's take on immigration?

I would take a Perry/Cain ticket or Perry/Bachmann ticket

Palin has been in the spot light for far too long, Newt does this same crap every election, and Ron Paul, well, he's Ron Paul.

I don't like Romney

I can't remember the name of the young immigrants grandson who is running, sorry, his name escapes me at the moment. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders.

M&K's Retrievers
07-05-2011, 01:23 PM
... Obama may be bad....I feel Bachmann would be worse.

I wonder why?

bbmclain
07-05-2011, 01:27 PM
And Bachmann would make this country worse than Obama How???? By eliminating Obamacare? By putting the USA first, rather than some muslim brothers? By reducing the size of the debt? By favoring a balanced budget? By eliminating all the czar positions appointed by Obama?

What 'issues' does she 'fundamentally' support that you despise? I'm having trouble determining what form of RINO you actually are...if you even fall under the R symbol.

Furthermore, please tell us which Republican 'women' you favor, as opposed to a Bachmann or Palin? And what have they accomplished? Or don't you actually know of any?

You are beginning to fall under the label of "with friends like you, we don't need any enemies."

Voting for a 3rd party candidate is as foolish as voting for Obama, because it accomplishes the same thing. Furthermore, if a 3rd party had anything beyond a questionable candidate for POTUS...like some Congressional party candidates, they might have a chance of being considered anything other than sour grapes.

UB

Answer these questions Cody...... BTW, excellent post.

bbmclain
07-05-2011, 01:29 PM
I would take a Perry/Cain ticket

This would be MY first choice as well. America needs a man like Cain for his common sense approach to solving problems.....as opposed to the normal Gov't approach of creating them!!!

Cody Covey
07-05-2011, 01:52 PM
And Bachmann would make this country worse than Obama How???? By eliminating Obamacare? I doubt Obama care will go anywhere but if so what does she propose? She has no ideas just grand platforms with nothing to back them up By putting the USA first, rather than some muslim brothers? When has Obama done this? When has the muslim brotherhood played any role in American politics for this to be an issue? By reducing the size of the debt?Again how? Obama says he wants that as well. She has no ideas just talking points. By favoring a balanced budget? She is another who supports it in name only. She won't cut programs she has an interest in at all. In fact she has taken subsidies herself for her farm. By eliminating all the czar positions appointed by Obama?Obama didn't start the czars positions....were you on here bitching when Bush had more czars than Obama currently does. The czars are a non issue.

What 'issues' does she 'fundamentally' support that you despise? You'll notice I said OR. There is nothing that I wouldn't vote for her on position wise. It just comes from a firm belief that she is completely incompetent and has no idea what she is doing or going to do. She is big on words but light on ideas. Why should I support someone I believe is completely crazy and more importantly completely incapable of running the countryI'm having trouble determining what form of RINO you actually are...if you even fall under the R symbol.I fail to see how me not supporting your apparently favored candidate makes me a RINO. Just because you say you support a smaller government does not make that actually the case. Smaller government is not actually smaller government when you leave in your pet projects and things that directly benefit you.

Furthermore, please tell us which Republican 'women' you favor, as opposed to a Bachmann or Palin? And what have they accomplished? Or don't you actually know of any?Currently running for president? None. I again fail to see what that has to do with anything?

You are beginning to fall under the label of "with friends like you, we don't need any enemies."I have long felt the same about you....

Voting for a 3rd party candidate is as foolish as voting for Obama, because it accomplishes the same thing. Furthermore, if a 3rd party had anything beyond a questionable candidate for POTUS...like some Congressional party candidates, they might have a chance of being considered anything other than sour grapes.

UB
See bold comments above...

Gerry Clinchy
07-05-2011, 04:16 PM
I actually like that. nater and paul may be considered goobers,,,but they have more honesty in their stools than the rest of the bunch put together. Screw the parties. We will continue down the same road if we don't start doing something right.

Pete

But it accomplishes what? About as much as Palin resigning as governor (which I also feel was a sign of a quitter).

huntinman
07-05-2011, 07:05 PM
so you believe there is no candidate worse than Obama just because they have an R by there name? Obama may be bad....I feel Bachmann would be worse.

Democrat pretending to be a Republican. or maybe not... Democrat just being a Democrat.

JDogger
07-05-2011, 08:52 PM
It's the same question you have been asking for the last 2 months... got a new one?

For the last two months RTF PP has been closed. 60 + replies to this thread. At least we're talkin'.
Please feel free to start a thread. JD

huntinman
07-05-2011, 09:40 PM
For the last two months RTF PP has been closed. 60 + replies to this thread. At least we're talkin'.
Please feel free to start a thread. JD

Yes it has been closed and yes you have been asking this same question over on the other board... We are talkin', but it's not quite what you were getting at.;-)

Hew
07-05-2011, 10:37 PM
For the last two months RTF PP has been closed. 60 + replies to this thread. At least we're talkin'.
Please feel free to start a thread. JD
It's only fair that you revive it since you were the straw that broke the camel's back and got this board shut down in the first place. ;-)

JDogger
07-06-2011, 12:16 AM
It's only fair that you revive it since you were the straw that broke the camel's back and got this board shut down in the first place. ;-)

Then cite it Willis....jd

Hew
07-06-2011, 01:06 AM
Easy there, Grim. It was a joke. We don't need you breakin' out any more voodoo dolls or siccing manitou demons on the gentle readers of this board.

JDogger
07-06-2011, 01:13 AM
Easy there, Grim. It was a joke. We don't need you breakin' out any more voodoo dolls or siccing manitou demons on the gentle readers of this board.

Try....Try....to get some sleep.


......and Bill, try to keep your realities in line. JD

charly_t
07-06-2011, 02:38 AM
At first it worried me a lot that some people got their history facts badly out of kelter then it slowly seeped into my brain...........maybe it is not as important that they have all this lined up as it is that they can balance a check book for this nation. Seems we can't find one to run that could really do it all.

caryalsobrook
07-09-2011, 02:25 AM
Nope. Bachmann keeps putting her foot in her mouth over and over and making herself look like a ditz. Those wounds I'm afraid are all self inflicted. She exists only because of a $15 million war chest in the last congressional election.

If she is elected POTUS the long running attacks on her will be never ending-- not to mention the great fun comedians will have at her expense .

Obama has been sticking his foot in his mouth ever since he ran for office and look where it got him POTUS!!!!!

Uncle Bill
07-09-2011, 02:47 PM
Obama has been sticking his foot in his mouth ever since he ran for office and look where it got him POTUS!!!!!


Nice try Zeus: "If she is elected POTUS the long running attacks on her will be never ending-- not to mention the great fun comedians will have at her expense"


The only reason comedians don't have any fun with the current POTUS is because he's a thin-skinned black guy, that has no sense of humor, takes all that's said about him personally, and will claim racism for any attack at him.

Furthermore, most of the 'comedians' are primarily leftists. Certainly Letterman and two zippos on Comedy Central, followed by Kimmel and Leno to a lesser degree. But ALL of them are completely afraid to joke about Obama like they did against GWB...it's not even argueable.

And a better comparison would be Obama vs Clinton. Not even in the same ballpark. And the ONLY reason is the skin color, because you can't tell me that Obama hasn't become a complete joke on all fronts, with enough faux pas to choke an ox.

UB