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Uncle Bill
07-16-2011, 02:35 PM
Democrats In Minnesota Blink, Will Democrats In Washington Do The Same?

Rob Port (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/author/admin/) • July 14, 2011


In Minnesota, it looks like an end to the government shut down may be nigh (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/minnesota-governor-mark-dayton-says-hell-agree-to-last-republican-budget-proposal/). Democrat Governor Mark Dayton has blinked, saying that he’ll agree to the last budget offer from Republicans in exchange for some concessions. While Dayton’s proposal would reduce Minnesota’s deficit without tax hikes, it would also stop any meaningful spending reforms from happening (case in point, downsizing the government through the reduction of the state payroll).

By blinking Dayton spoke volumes. The government shut down was not playing well for him politically. If the shut down had been hurting Republicans, Dayton could have sat on his hands and let Republicans come to him with concessions. Instead, the opposite happened. Dayton shut down the government over these tax hikes. Then he back tracked and gave up on it.

“Dayton must have thought that his class-warfare schtick would sell with the same Minnesotans that put Republicans in charge of the legislature for the first time ever,” writes Ed Morrissey (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/14/breaking-dayton-caves-will-call-special-session/). “He had just started a tour of the state to sell his side of the shutdown; one can only presume that the feedback was less positive than Dayton imagined.”

The lesson from this for national Republicans is that it is possible to win a political fight with Democrats over a government shut down.

Dayton shut down the government over demands for higher taxes on “the rich.” Obama, too, is willing to shut down the national government if his demands for tax hikes on “the rich” aren’t met.

Republicans in Minnesota refused to agree to tax hikes at a time of economic stagnation and uncertainty. Republicans, nationally, are making this same argument.

The national GOP should take a lesson from the Minnesota GOP. Stick to your guns and you can win

wayne anderson
07-16-2011, 09:24 PM
The positive of this compromise: Neither side likes it.
The negative: They still "kicked the can down the road," as did the previous gov/legislature, covering the deficit this time with borrowing from school funds and selling "tobacco bonds," whatever they are. Ah well, at least the freeway rest areas will re-open and one again can buy a fishing license!

zeus3925
07-17-2011, 07:43 AM
The shut down solved nothing toward the structural issues in reducing the ongoing revenue/expenditure gap. It is amazing that both sides will tell you how broke the state is. You also hear the mantra of "No new taxes."

But, there are those on both sides are willing to ignore the state's fiscal plight and cough up cash for a new Vikings stadium complete with fancy Dan sky boxes for the ultra rich. All this rent free for the team and no revenue to the state from the concessions. How are they going to pay for this jock palace? You guessed it.

Franco
07-17-2011, 08:36 AM
But, there are those on both sides are willing to ignore the state's fiscal plight and cough up cash for a new Vikings stadium complete with fancy Dan sky boxes for the ultra rich. All this rent free for the team and no revenue to the state from the concessions. How are they going to pay for this jock palace? You guessed it.



Stoking class warfare like a true Democrat.

*The overwhelming majority of stadium suite rentals are paid for by corporations. Some actually get business done in those suites! In fact, the majority of season tickets across the NFL landscape are bought by corporations.

*States and cities give tax breaks and money to expand stadiums/build new ones because of the large return on investment that they receive. NFL teams bring fans to town for game day that fill hotels, restaurants and those fans spend money in stores. The economic impact of being an NFL city is rewarding not only if the get to host a Super Bowl but every homegame!

If the Vikings take the Los Angeles deal, just watch what happens to the economy in the area surrounding the Metrodome and Minneapolis! They'd spend 10x's as much to keep them.

g_fiebelkorn
07-17-2011, 09:35 AM
The positive of this compromise: Neither side likes it.
The negative: They still "kicked the can down the road," as did the previous gov/legislature, covering the deficit this time with borrowing from school funds and selling "tobacco bonds," whatever they are. Ah well, at least the freeway rest areas will re-open and one again can buy a fishing license!

Hi Wayne -- long time no see.

I like your thinking. What gets me is that each side -- state or national level, has the view of "we have to win, they have to lose."

What ever happened to what is best for the people in the state or country? I don't think the combatants realize, or maybe don't care, that a lot of people suffer real financial hardships when they play their silly games.

road kill
07-17-2011, 10:02 AM
Hi Wayne -- long time no see.

I like your thinking. What gets me is that each side -- state or national level, has the view of "we have to win, they have to lose."

What ever happened to what is best for the people in the state or country? I don't think the combatants realize, or maybe don't care, that a lot of people suffer real financial hardships when they play their silly games.

They have never had to sweat a thing.

Most career politicians have spent their lives going to school/College on someone elses dime.

Now, their "professional" careers are on someone elses dime.

If even half of them fit this description, how would they know the value of a "dime??":confused:


If you get my drift.


RK

zeus3925
07-19-2011, 10:51 PM
Stoking class warfare like a true Democrat.

*The overwhelming majority of stadium suite rentals are paid for by corporations. Some actually get business done in those suites! In fact, the majority of season tickets across the NFL landscape are bought by corporations.

*States and cities give tax breaks and money to expand stadiums/build new ones because of the large return on investment that they receive. NFL teams bring fans to town for game day that fill hotels, restaurants and those fans spend money in stores. The economic impact of being an NFL city is rewarding not only if the get to host a Super Bowl but every homegame!

If the Vikings take the Los Angeles deal, just watch what happens to the economy in the area surrounding the Metrodome and Minneapolis! They'd spend 10x's as much to keep them.

Stoking class welfare? Ha! It is well underway, Franco, despite what the well heeled say to the contrary. Makes you think of what the elephant said to the ant, " Now let's not step on each other."

The majority of the economic studies indicate the new stadiums being erected will result in little if any economic gain. The stadium may not be built in downtown Minneapolis anyway but several miles to the north in Arden Hills. Besides the state doesn't owe those businesses a living unless you believe in SOCIALISM.

Building stadiums with public money is akin to the government building a plant for Ford Motor Co. or buying you a brand new radio station. The conservatives want no government involvement in private business, but will vote willingly to benefit billionaire owners and millionaire players by taxing me and my fellow citizens to build a jock palace. All the time they are politically posturing with a state shut down because we are "broke".

I don't care if the big butts pay for their skyboxes. The taxpayers will get zilch for it as the deal is now structured. The revenue will go to the company,not the state. It's a lot like building your wealthy brother-in -law a new swimming pool, when you don't have a pot to ___ in.

At the end of the day, whether the home team wins or loses, the world still turns unaffected by the outcome and the sun will still rise in the east tomorrow. It is not important to the survival of the species.

The comments that follow will give you a taste of what 'Sotans think of a another new jock palace.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/125819293.html

zeus3925
07-19-2011, 11:02 PM
P.S. I want some of that state investment money for some new trial grounds with dynamite water. Field trials bring in money to the local economy. National events have generated millions of dollars to the local economy. Just ask the Iron Range Retriever Club. They had actual studies done. Now, Franco, aren't we just as deserving as those other guys?

JDogger
07-20-2011, 12:36 AM
They have never had to sweat a thing.

Most career politicians have spent their lives going to school/College on someone elses dime.

Now, their "professional" careers are on someone elses dime.

If even half of them fit this description, how would they know the value of a "dime??":confused:


If you get my drift.


RK

Looks like class warfare has reared it's head again.

College=bad. Killing road=good. GI bill=bad. Student loans,(re-paid)=bad.
Not everyone, like GWB was a trust fund baby, or a legacy admittance.

Jess driftin', JD

luvmylabs23139
07-20-2011, 08:14 AM
Looks like class warfare has reared it's head again.

College=bad. Killing road=good. GI bill=bad. Student loans,(re-paid)=bad.
Not everyone, like GWB was a trust fund baby, or a legacy admittance.

Jess driftin', JD

College is not for everyone. There is more than one state school in NC that has SAT scores so low it is disgusting. Basically sign your name on the test and you are in. Need I stress that it is a traditionally minority school. My stolen money pays or this crap.
Student loans should be a t air market interest rates. Every dead beat should have to pay back the money. Tons of money goes to those who can't make it thru 4 years.
Pell grants should be eliminated period. NO REDISTRIBUTION!

road kill
07-20-2011, 08:24 AM
Looks like class warfare has reared it's head again.

College=bad. Killing road=good. GI bill=bad. Student loans,(re-paid)=bad.
Not everyone, like GWB was a trust fund baby, or a legacy admittance.

Jess driftin', JD
Tell me, how was Obama admitted??

Missing meds=BAD!!!:mad:
Working hard towards a goal=VERY GOOD!!:D

RK

luvmylabs23139
07-20-2011, 08:38 AM
Where are Bumma's college records? Why is he hiding them? How much did he steal from the taxpayers to get his education?