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Ken Bora
08-07-2011, 07:29 AM
So I am the bad guy???
 
At the friendly little family restaurant I have worked at for the past 29 years. If you are kitchen staff and you have a hang nail or some other grievous injury. I am the friendly face you speak to scheduling your much needed time off to heal. Last evening in the middle of the supper rush one of my dishwashers could not carry on. Was in too much pain." Why" I ask? Early in the morning, 3 a.m. he fell of his bicycle. "Why were you riding your bicycle at 3 a.m." I ask. "I was going to the 24 hour gas station to get cigarettes for my girl friend" he replies. "If she wants cigarettes that badly why doesn't she go get them herself?". I ask. "Because she is 7 months pregnant" he tells me. Now this blessed example of humanity already has 2 kids from 2 other guys. I know her personally. I know her Dad. She lives in a government subsidized apartment and the boyfriend, my dishwasher lives with her under the table so they don't loose the welfare apartment. So all the co-workers are all "Oooh poor feller" And "Let me lift that for you" And I, pondering all the information I have and all the back stories I know Say...... "You Stupid S.O.B. Why the Hell were you riding a bicycle down a dark road in the middle of the night to get cigarettes for your pregnant girlfriend in the first place? Don't you have any parenting responsibility? We all pay for your girlfriend and her kids and her lazy ass and your letting her smoke so we all have to pay even more for the kids healthcare when it is born addicted to nicotine! People like you make me sick! If you don't want to work don't let the door hit you on the way out because I have a list right here a dozen names long of people who actually want to work!" Now suck it up or punch out!"
 
 
And I am the bad guy???????
here I am just giving loving fatherly advice, and the room thought I was the bad guy?:rolleyes:
 
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Matt McKenzie
08-07-2011, 07:38 AM
Bravo, Ken!

JJaxon
08-07-2011, 07:52 AM
You da Man. I got your back. I don't sympathise with lazy, or stupid people either. As an ex smoker, I really hate smoking, and the smell of it. Pregnant and smoking on tax payers ride... instead of tapping trees for liquid gold he's tapping that?? :lol: I better stop here before I get started and regret my typing thoughts.

Sundown49 aka Otey B
08-07-2011, 07:55 AM
Right on Ken !!

Becky Mills
08-07-2011, 08:24 AM
You're my hero.
I didn't know y'all had those types in Vermont. When you get all of them straightened out we've got herds of 'em in SW Georgia you can lecture.

birdthrower51
08-07-2011, 08:25 AM
Congratulations Ken for having to guts to say what is right. That is probably the first "fatherly" advise this kid has had in a long time.
Did he stay or punch out?

hotel4dogs
08-07-2011, 09:28 AM
way to go! If you run for office, I'll vote for you!

dixidawg
08-07-2011, 10:13 AM
Drop a dime to the welfare office that he is leeching off the g'friend.

ErinsEdge
08-07-2011, 10:19 AM
Ken Bora for POTUS! Taking responsibility for your life-what a unique concept.

Joe Dutro
08-07-2011, 11:13 AM
I like it!!
Joe

Mike Smith
08-07-2011, 11:17 AM
Obviously needs Sensitivity Training.
You are not fitting in well in the New Society.

sandyg
08-07-2011, 11:18 AM
You do know you live in Vermont, right?
The land of Bernie Sanders?
What did you think would happen?

Ken Bora
08-07-2011, 11:19 AM
.....Did he stay or punch out?

he stayed,
whining about the pain to anyone who would listen.
After about an hour of listening to that I tossed an emptied Lasagna pan into the oven and let it get nice and crusty.
Brought it over to him and told him he could leave early, just get this last pan clean and take off. He chiseled like a mad man on that burnt tray until about 20 minutes from when his shift would have ended anyway.
Yup,
I know,
I'm going to Hell in a bucket.
But at least I'm enjoying the ride.;-)
 
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Uncle Bill
08-07-2011, 01:03 PM
You do know you live in Vermont, right?
The land of Bernie Sanders?
What did you think would happen?


Heh heh heh heh. I'm always amazed he has lasted as long in that state as he has. By now you'd think he would have pulled ALL his hair out.:rolleyes:


UB

Jacob Hawkes
08-07-2011, 01:11 PM
The only thing missing would be the reform rant off of O Brother Where Art Thou. :razz::razz:

Mary Lynn Metras
08-07-2011, 01:18 PM
he stayed,
whining about the pain to anyone who would listen.
After about an hour of listening to that I tossed an emptied Lasagna pan into the oven and let it get nice and crusty.
Brought it over to him and told him he could leave early, just get this last pan clean and take off. He chiseled like a mad man on that burnt tray until about 20 minutes from when his shift would have ended anyway.
Yup,
I know,
I'm going to Hell in a bucket.
But at least I'm enjoying the ride.;-)
 
.


The poor bugger thought you were having an ounce of sympathy for him if he only knew about the pan.....

Good for you. Using money to pay for cigarettes then using money to pay for health care to correct what the smokes do to you-doesn't make sense????

M&K's Retrievers
08-07-2011, 10:12 PM
he stayed,
whining about the pain to anyone who would listen.
After about an hour of listening to that I tossed an emptied Lasagna pan into the oven and let it get nice and crusty.
Brought it over to him and told him he could leave early, just get this last pan clean and take off. He chiseled like a mad man on that burnt tray until about 20 minutes from when his shift would have ended anyway.
Yup,
I know,
I'm going to Hell in a bucket.
But at least I'm enjoying the ride.;-)
 
.


Hey, Ken, what's the name of your restaurant and where is it?

bobbyb
08-07-2011, 11:21 PM
Shame on you BORA !!! don't you know how LUCKY you were ?? He could have asked YOU to borrow the money so he could BUY the cigarettes !!!!!!

BobbyB
cajun

Ken Bora
08-08-2011, 07:55 AM
Mike,
I am @ Bove's Cafe, Burlington, Vermont.

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M&K's Retrievers
08-08-2011, 09:49 AM
Mike,
I am @ Bove's Cafe, Burlington, Vermont.

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Looks like a great place. I'm going to order some of their products as that may be as close as I can get to eating there. With this damn heat, I may be there sooner than later.

road kill
08-08-2011, 11:57 AM
he stayed,
whining about the pain to anyone who would listen.
After about an hour of listening to that I tossed an emptied Lasagna pan into the oven and let it get nice and crusty.
Brought it over to him and told him he could leave early, just get this last pan clean and take off. He chiseled like a mad man on that burnt tray until about 20 minutes from when his shift would have ended anyway.
Yup,
I know,
I'm going to Hell in a bucket.
But at least I'm enjoying the ride.;-)
 
.


I am agahst, how incredibly insensitive..........


RK

Doug Kennedy
08-08-2011, 12:38 PM
Ken, if we all chip in can we talk you into taking a trip to Washington DC and have a chat with a few people about problem solving???

Mike Smith
08-08-2011, 01:43 PM
Ken, if we all chip in can we talk you into taking a trip to Washington DC and have a chat with a few people about problem solving???

Hopefully they wouldn't corrupt him and send him home with a bunch of food stamps and govt. grant for the kid and his girlfriend.

And a "Raise Taxes Now" Sign to put on his window

zeus3925
08-08-2011, 03:32 PM
Did you report the girlfriend to the welfare department or are you going to let them continue to mooch?

Gawthorpe
08-08-2011, 05:55 PM
Ken:
Stand back because the government is about to come to the rescue.

Starting January 1st, all contraceptives will be offered at no cost to women. Here is how the cycle will stop.

The girlfriend is so desireous that she has sex with many men without contraception. This treasure in bed, forces your employee to give into her needs. He then hops on his bike, because he does not have a car, which shows his future potential, with the hopes of pleasing the girlfriend.

After his bike wreck one can only hope that he did return with cigarettes for his pregnant girlfriend, who probably just need to smoke after sex!! But then we go back to the cycle of why did she need the cigarettes?

So now we really should give her free contraception, free cigarettes and a car to get each of them. Where does it end?

This all makes sense to our fine President. It also makes poor sense to Standard & Poors.

Socks
08-09-2011, 04:43 PM
Didn't John Wayne say something along the lines of "If you're gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough"?;)

LokiMeister
08-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Ken? I am disappointed in you. You're the boss, it's implied you are the bad guy.

When I bought the company I own, I got rid of all the Mo Fo's because I was sick (intended) and tired (again) of listening to these people complain about how bad there lives were. These are people that didn't blink an eye when I told them that they missed out on $8,000 in 2 years because they refused to work the 40 hours they were promised every week. Based on the money they had going out of their checks due to child support, etc., they could have used it.

It sounds to me like you didn't get your message across to the poo-pooing fellow employees.

Don't let 'em get you down.

BHB
08-11-2011, 12:13 PM
Life is about choices, Ken. You just showed that kid that the choices he has made in life have netted him nothing but pain and scrubbing dishes!

A lot of this can be blamed on poor parenting(I'm no expert on this either but I tried). Who knows what kind of parents he or she has that helped them come to the decisions that they made? I'm afraid it's not going to get better when we have kids the likes of this growing up in this country.

BHB

Daniel J Simoens
08-11-2011, 01:51 PM
We need people like you!

Takem_brewer
08-11-2011, 10:29 PM
This reminded me of something else I just heard the other day. Do not know the credibility of this and I realize you were talking about cigarettes but this was interesting to me. Florida and Kentucky, on July 1st, will require drug tests when applying for welfare. If this is in fact true I do hope other states hop on as well. I have thought this sounded like a great plan for a long time.

zeus3925
08-12-2011, 10:49 AM
Welfare cheats usually known by people in the community. Too often people who know of the fraud do not report it for various reasons. Thus the scam goes on.

Agencies are not blameless though. When budgets get tight, money for fraud investigation is sometimes shunted away from investigative units and the employees either reassigned or laid off.

Ken Bora
08-13-2011, 07:47 AM
update to my fun dishwasher story.
Yesterdays drama, and what is a day at work without drama?
When dishwasher in question
(BTW he has fully recovered, too much pain to hold a sponge, to doing the floppy tricks on his bike in the lot during break, in one day. Divign intervention?)
in question went home after work Thursday. He was shocked to see that the father of the girlfriends first child was been released from jail down in Massachusetts were we farm them out to and has returned to his true love. All my dishwashers belongings were, as the song says, "to the left, to the left, everything you own in a box to the left"......
Oh well, he moved into an apartment with 1 of our other dishwashers and a couple other guys, one of whom is, now get this....... one of them the father of the now EX-girlfriends 2nd child!!!!! Tell Ya I am not smart enough to make this stuff up!
So, in my kind fatherly way. I says to him. "Well at least you have something in common you can talk about"!!!
HOLE Kitchen shocked I would say such a thing to him during this emotional crisis!
Back to being the bad guy.
I do have fun at work
 
.

Pals
08-13-2011, 08:20 AM
Sterilization...........

M&K's Retrievers
08-13-2011, 08:43 AM
Sterilization...........

You do mean the dish washer don't you? :rolleyes:

Becky Mills
08-13-2011, 08:51 AM
I bet family reunions are a hoot.

Buzz
08-13-2011, 09:49 AM
I had several different dish washing jobs while I worked my way through college. Interesting people you get to know in that line of work, that's for sure...

road kill
08-13-2011, 09:51 AM
update to my fun dishwasher story.
Yesterdays drama, and what is a day at work without drama?
When dishwasher in question
(BTW he has fully recovered, too much pain to hold a sponge, to doing the floppy tricks on his bike in the lot during break, in one day. Divign intervention?)
in question went home after work Thursday. He was shocked to see that the father of the girlfriends first child was been released from jail down in Massachusetts were we farm them out to and has returned to his true love. All my dishwashers belongings were, as the song says, "to the left, to the left, everything you own in a box to the left"......
Oh well, he moved into an apartment with 1 of our other dishwashers and a couple other guys, one of whom is, now get this....... one of them the father of the now EX-girlfriends 2nd child!!!!! Tell Ya I am not smart enough to make this stuff up!
So, in my kind fatherly way. I says to him. "Well at least you have something in common you can talk about"!!!
HOLE Kitchen shocked I would say such a thing to him during this emotional crisis!
Back to being the bad guy.
I do have fun at work
 
.


The "Dumbing down of America!"


RK

Hunchaser
08-13-2011, 12:55 PM
Good one Ken. Better get a defence fund going for when those Merry Band of Idiots (Liberals) come after you.

7pntail
08-13-2011, 11:16 PM
First time on potus. Could be trouble. Poor dish washers--it's a highly skilled, and stressful job. leave em alone. You have no right to criticize. Have you walked in their shoes?


Regards, John

charly_t
08-14-2011, 10:46 PM
Sterilization...........

Bingo ! My thoughts exactly..........been wishing for laws that allowed this for a good while now.

zeus3925
08-25-2011, 05:44 PM
Bingo ! My thoughts exactly..........been wishing for laws that allowed this for a good while now.

Wouldn't have a spare red armband, would you?

RoosterBuster
08-25-2011, 10:53 PM
"Well at least you have something in common you can talk about"!!!


That is great! Sounds like you get to have fun at work. We've got some characters here, but that guy takes the cake.

charly_t
08-26-2011, 12:54 AM
Wouldn't have a spare red armband, would you?

Nope.........I wouldn't..........get your own :-) ( or whatever color you want ).

TN_LAB
08-26-2011, 07:13 AM
First time on potus. Could be trouble. Poor dish washers--it's a highly skilled, and stressful job. leave em alone. You have no right to criticize. Have you walked in their shoes?


Regards, John

On the contrary. Members of a society (folks that share laws and culture) is that of

Social responsibility
Religious responsibility
Financial responsibility
Political responsibility


Some (me) might say that it is our duty to have socially acceptable standards. I'm not saying this guy needs to be punished, but I am saying that somebody ought to step up and tell him he's a loser (in a cultural sense). In a round about way, they'd be doing him a favor.

dixidawg
08-26-2011, 07:54 AM
Bingo ! My thoughts exactly..........been wishing for laws that allowed this for a good while now.

Didn't the world see this tried once before mein Fuhrer?

charly_t
08-26-2011, 02:56 PM
Didn't the world see this tried once before mein Fuhrer?

Yes. But having a retarded grandaughter with a child ( her husband is retarded also ) will convince you that some people should not be allowed to have children. I don't know what the answer is really but something needs to be done. Relatives used to be able to control this but people have managed to pass laws that tie our hands. I used to believe that no one should have an abortion either but guess what I think now !

charly_t
08-26-2011, 09:49 PM
Didn't the world see this tried once before mein Fuhrer?

You know even though you have more or less called me "Hitler" it has not angered me. Do your own search on Maggie May Trammel ( an infant in Bartlesville OK ) and then tell me that her mother should be allowed to have more children. That is the kind of people that I would "alter". It would be the ( supposed ) reversable surgeries used. That way if they get straightened up and can earn enough to get it reversed they can have another chance ( but not before they can provide for that child ). You are, as many people are, just ignorant of the facts in most of these cases. Work in a DHS office for a while or become involved in the CASA work. Most cases are not open to public scrutiny. Not until a child dies or a parent is charged with some crime will you get any facts. Court cases involving minor children are kept closed except for those involved. In Oklahoma children are not removed from a natural mother unless she is an axe murderer ( or she does something horrible to one of her children and even then the goal is "to reunite the family" ). I wish people were told the truth about these cases. I think that this is the third child killed in Washigton county OK in the last twelve months. Never mind those hurt by a parent or a 'stand in parent' ( add baby sitters to that list also ).

Jason Glavich
08-29-2011, 01:16 PM
This brief intro into a movie explain this whole situation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU

charly_t
08-29-2011, 05:27 PM
This brief intro into a movie explain this whole situation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU

I can't view videos so I should not make any comment but as you all know I'm going to :-) Too many times the people who write and make the rules ( laws ) have very limited experience with retarded people ( I can not speak to the problems of the handicapped with decent IQs ). Even the case workers who have never lived with a retarded person or maybe just one retarded person
are not aware of many of the problems that we as family see every day. If
a person can not take care of themselves why would anybody think that they can take care of a child ( or a baby ). Most government workers pay little to no attention to family members. I'm well aware that my IQ is in most cases not as high as the people that are hired to work with the retarded but I can
see and hear. I firmly believe that a very large number of our retarded are retarded because of their mother's and possibly also the father's drugs and drinking. Some because of the chemicals ingested by the parents but some because of the resulting abuse. I have fought this fight for a lot of years and I have talked to others with retarded family members. Children have to have been damaged before anyone can or will do anything. In Oklahoma ( from my last update with the law anyway, according to that law ) a child can not be taken away from a parent even when that parent is on drugs. Parents are allowed to show up and take a screaming crying child for their visitation times. That child may cling to the caregiver with all their strength but a judge will still mandate the visitaion when the courts get to decide.

Yeah, I'm on my soap box. I'll shut up for a while now.

charly_t
08-30-2011, 01:23 AM
Are there any attorneys on our forum ? If so what does "code X" on the court records after a hearing mean ? I am following the case of a retarded person who made a threat.

Jason Glavich
08-30-2011, 07:39 AM
I can't view videos so I should not make any comment but as you all know I'm going to :-) Too many times the people who write and make the rules ( laws ) have very limited experience with retarded people ( I can not speak to the problems of the handicapped with decent IQs ). Even the case workers who have never lived with a retarded person or maybe just one retarded person
are not aware of many of the problems that we as family see every day. If
a person can not take care of themselves why would anybody think that they can take care of a child ( or a baby ). Most government workers pay little to no attention to family members. I'm well aware that my IQ is in most cases not as high as the people that are hired to work with the retarded but I can
see and hear. I firmly believe that a very large number of our retarded are retarded because of their mother's and possibly also the father's drugs and drinking. Some because of the chemicals ingested by the parents but some because of the resulting abuse. I have fought this fight for a lot of years and I have talked to others with retarded family members. Children have to have been damaged before anyone can or will do anything. In Oklahoma ( from my last update with the law anyway, according to that law ) a child can not be taken away from a parent even when that parent is on drugs. Parents are allowed to show up and take a screaming crying child for their visitation times. That child may cling to the caregiver with all their strength but a judge will still mandate the visitaion when the courts get to decide.

Yeah, I'm on my soap box. I'll shut up for a while now.

The movie link is the into to idiocracy, showing in a joking way the super smart do not reproduce, showing a smart couple that waits and then cannot have kids and the husband dies, while also showing the stupid guy who has 10 kids to different women.

It was not meant as a knock on anyone with a mental handicap, I do not feel making fun or picking on someone who cannot help it is right.


I do think some people are stupid by choice though.

charly_t
08-30-2011, 10:43 AM
The movie link is the into to idiocracy, showing in a joking way the super smart do not reproduce, showing a smart couple that waits and then cannot have kids and the husband dies, while also showing the stupid guy who has 10 kids to different women.

It was not meant as a knock on anyone with a mental handicap, I do not feel making fun or picking on someone who cannot help it is right.


I do think some people are stupid by choice though.

Thanks, I did not think you were making fun of people. Just had to add my two cents worth. We old people often talk too much. May not make any sense at times but that's one thing that we can still do. VBG

limiman12
09-02-2011, 05:36 PM
I just wish someone would explain to me why the system is set up to encourage people that can not care for a child are encouraged to have more, while the tax code actually removes the child tax credit for upper income families. I ask you which children would be more likely to grow up to be tax PAYERS rather then tax consumers?????

I deal with a lot of mentaly handicapped patients in my office, and a lot of the staff that cares for them. Trust me, the staff would all agree that there is no chance those that they are caring for would be able to care for a child. Is it even in their best interest to try?

Why is our society so hell bent on political correctness that someone that suggests people that murder their children, cannot mentally care for themselves, or even cannot financialy care for themselves should not be having children, they are called a nazi?

I just hope that the contraceptive being offered is not the pill. If it is, then the "smart ones" will go down to the highschool and sell it to the 15 year old that doesn't want her mom to know she is on the pill and use the money to go by the smokes and when she shows up pregnant she will say, "gee the pill must not have worked!!!!! so how much more will my welfare check be for" Norplant or IUD

Regarding the mentally handicapped grandaughter with the mentally handicapped father of the child......... at a certain point of handicappedness (not sure if that is a word ;-) ) there is no longer the possibility of consent. so could you charge one mentally handicapped person with rape of another or even EACH other if both are to the point that they have been deemed legally unable to provide consent? I do wish the soft hearted public heard more stories like this though. If they are soft hearted enough to pay for the lifelong care of the resulting child then they can sponsor a couple and let them have a kid......... if not don't get in the way when the family wants to look out for the wellbeing of their handicapped family member by preventing pregnancy.

charly_t
09-02-2011, 10:48 PM
I just wish someone would explain to me why the system is set up to encourage people that can not care for a child are encouraged to have more, while the tax code actually removes the child tax credit for upper income families. I ask you which children would be more likely to grow up to be tax PAYERS rather then tax consumers?????

I deal with a lot of mentaly handicapped patients in my office, and a lot of the staff that cares for them. Trust me, the staff would all agree that there is no chance those that they are caring for would be able to care for a child. Is it even in their best interest to try?

Why is our society so hell bent on political correctness that someone that suggests people that murder their children, cannot mentally care for themselves, or even cannot financialy care for themselves should not be having children, they are called a nazi?

I just hope that the contraceptive being offered is not the pill. If it is, then the "smart ones" will go down to the highschool and sell it to the 15 year old that doesn't want her mom to know she is on the pill and use the money to go by the smokes and when she shows up pregnant she will say, "gee the pill must not have worked!!!!! so how much more will my welfare check be for" Norplant or IUD

Regarding the mentally handicapped grandaughter with the mentally handicapped father of the child......... at a certain point of handicappedness (not sure if that is a word ;-) ) there is no longer the possibility of consent. so could you charge one mentally handicapped person with rape of another or even EACH other if both are to the point that they have been deemed legally unable to provide consent? I do wish the soft hearted public heard more stories like this though. If they are soft hearted enough to pay for the lifelong care of the resulting child then they can sponsor a couple and let them have a kid......... if not don't get in the way when the family wants to look out for the wellbeing of their handicapped family member by preventing pregnancy.

God Bless you !

In our state some of the caregivers ( hired to help the retarded ) are not on a level to help anyone. It is such a mountain of problems that it boggles the mind. My idea is a large apartment building with help on each floor ( who can call for back-up when needed ) and a large cafeteria where those able could cook meals etc. There is no way they will do this though because they shut down a large place where some retarded people were abused. Makes me mad because some of their caregivers ( hired to help in the retarded person's own home ) are abusing some retarded people. Seems to me if you have more people watching in a large place that you would come nearer finding the bad apples. Yeah, we got people planning this stuff who are clueless. Recent lady who was hired ( by state department for the handicapped ) to help the grandaughter was arrested for beating her own grandaughter. Then there was the one a good while back who was helping my grandaughter with her checkbook ( my grandaughter has no counting etc. skills ). That lady kept the checkbook with her. Well lots of money went missing. She was not charged because she agreed to pay the money back. I will just stop with that story but there are more. Family seldom hear about these things. I
happen to know that the time is drawing near for the IUD replacement but I have no say about it.

cwilson
09-02-2011, 11:03 PM
"You Stupid S.O.B. Why the Hell were you riding a bicycle down a dark road in the middle of the night to get cigarettes for your pregnant girlfriend in the first place? Don't you have any parenting responsibility? We all pay for your girlfriend and her kids and her lazy ass and your letting her smoke so we all have to pay even more for the kids healthcare when it is born addicted to nicotine! People like you make me sick! If you don't want to work don't let the door hit you on the way out because I have a list right here a dozen names long of people who actually want to work!" Now suck it up or punch out!" 
And I am the bad guy???????
here I am just giving loving fatherly advice, and the room thought I was the bad guy?:rolleyes:.


If more people thought the way you do maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess. It makes me sick that people can sponge off the system their entire lives and those that actually need help can't get it. My mom's neighbor's husband died a couple years back. She has never worked because of a disability but he supported them so she never applied for disability. They lived like this, him working hard to support them and not getting disabiilty for God knows how many years. When he died she applied for help since her income was now gone and was declined because she had been disabled for so long and never applied.

charly_t
09-02-2011, 11:24 PM
If more people thought the way you do maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess. It makes me sick that people can sponge off the system their entire lives and those that actually need help can't get it. My mom's neighbor's husband died a couple years back. She has never worked because of a disability but he supported them so she never applied for disability. They lived like this, him working hard to support them and not getting disabiilty for God knows how many years. When he died she applied for help since her income was now gone and was declined because she had been disabled for so long and never applied.

You know this makes no sense to me. I know of a case where a woman who was obese and had never worked away from home was given SSI or something along those lines because she was "a dependent child". When her mother passed on she became eligible for this. I was taking classes at a local hospital and I asked one of the teachers about it. He thought it was because of her weight though ( not the dependent child status ). I of course did not give her name to him. I wonder if the displaced home maker program would have any kind of help in her case. Maybe they don't even have it anymore.
Maybe someone in her family can call the elected state reps. I know they sometimes can help. I am aware of one man who had a heart attack and then a stroke who was having trouble getting his disability. They sure helped him.
Legal aid might have an idea or two. Tell them to shake those trees. :-) Call every agency in their state.

charly_t
09-03-2011, 01:22 AM
 
And I am the bad guy???????
here I am just giving loving fatherly advice, and the room thought I was the bad guy?:rolleyes:
 
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No you are not the bad guy. I know that I have gotten off topic on this thread but there are just so many things that we need to fix. And how do we do it. My husband and I have never had to ask for help so maybe I am biased in my views. I hate to sound like I am blaming anything on the young people but there seems to be a different way of looking at things among many of them at this time. Some of my family members sometimes seem to be on that road. It really makes me unhappy to see it.

limiman12
09-03-2011, 07:06 AM
On the contrary. Members of a society (folks that share laws and culture) is that of

Social responsibility
Religious responsibility
Financial responsibility
Political responsibility


Some (me) might say that it is our duty to have socially acceptable standards. I'm not saying this guy needs to be punished, but I am saying that somebody ought to step up and tell him he's a loser (in a cultural sense). In a round about way, they'd be doing him a favor.

I have thought about htis statment a lot over the past 12 hours...... I wish more people were socially more responsible and would do this, even if it were not as abrupt as kens tact ;-) 17 year old kid with tatoos all over, "punkClothes" two ear rings and a lip ring and a pack of ciggs that he handed to his mom that he just chewed out in the waiting room, oh yeah I forgot the ankle bracelet... Mom was too busy trying to be a friend that she apparently thought all this was normal teenage stuff

limiman12
09-03-2011, 07:12 AM
I can't view videos so I should not make any comment but as you all know I'm going to :-) Too many times the people who write and make the rules ( laws ) have very limited experience with retarded people ( I can not speak to the problems of the handicapped with decent IQs ). Even the case workers who have never lived with a retarded person or maybe just one retarded person
are not aware of many of the problems that we as family see every day. If
a person can not take care of themselves why would anybody think that they can take care of a child ( or a baby ). Most government workers pay little to no attention to family members. I'm well aware that my IQ is in most cases not as high as the people that are hired to work with the retarded but I can
see and hear. I firmly believe that a very large number of our retarded are retarded because of their mother's and possibly also the father's drugs and drinking. Some because of the chemicals ingested by the parents but some because of the resulting abuse. I have fought this fight for a lot of years and I have talked to others with retarded family members. Children have to have been damaged before anyone can or will do anything. In Oklahoma ( from my last update with the law anyway, according to that law ) a child can not be taken away from a parent even when that parent is on drugs. Parents are allowed to show up and take a screaming crying child for their visitation times. That child may cling to the caregiver with all their strength but a judge will still mandate the visitaion when the courts get to decide.

Yeah, I'm on my soap box. I'll shut up for a while now.

your IQ may not be as high but your EQ and abiltiy to reason are probably way higher.... There must be some orientation that they remove inteligence and logic as they exit

limiman12
09-03-2011, 07:33 AM
You know this makes no sense to me. I know of a case where a woman who was obese and had never worked away from home was given SSI or something along those lines because she was "a dependent child". When her mother passed on she became eligible for this. I was taking classes at a local hospital and I asked one of the teachers about it. He thought it was because of her weight though ( not the dependent child status ). I of course did not give her name to him. I wonder if the displaced home maker program would have any kind of help in her case. Maybe they don't even have it anymore.
Maybe someone in her family can call the elected state reps. I know they sometimes can help. I am aware of one man who had a heart attack and then a stroke who was having trouble getting his disability. They sure helped him.
Legal aid might have an idea or two. Tell them to shake those trees. :-) Call every agency in their state.

This one gets me too..... several cases I know where the apperent disablity is being 200 pounds overweight and a highschool drop out makes someone "disabled" unemployable yes, but that is not disabled. Why do they get put on permanent disability rather then say, send them to a "fat farm" where they can get their GED and some relavent training while they are there and then low and behold they are no longer unemployable. on government "payroll" for life or six months in a "occupational rehab" faciltiy. I know which I would rather pay for.

limiman12
09-03-2011, 07:53 AM
One more thought on this, I wonder if the same people that call someone a NAZI for suggesting some people perhaps should not reproduce would call me a Back yard breeder if I decided to breed my fairly well bred one year old pup when she comes into heat to the good hunting dog down the road with out any health checks because she shows potential to be what I want and that meat dog down the road has a good nose........

Why are we so protective of the breed we love yet so ambivolent to our own SPECIES?????

cpmm665
09-09-2011, 02:06 AM
From the first time I saw her at Chesterwood, I fell in love.


Daniel Chester French, you know, that guy and the Lincoln Memorial. Emerson and Alcott, just names thrown around for effect, but they influenced him. Do you think someone nurtured a dream? I do.


I have my own personal appreciation for artist, poets, writers and dreamers. I appreciate the hard working, under appreciated and under paid as well. That's my past, and my future, you can view it day to day with the naked eye. You can view it via a telescope during the midnight hours. Which view do you prefer?


For me, it's easy to look up at a clear night sky. I can rationalize the mythology of the stars, its far away, it doesn't touch me day to day. I wake up in the morning with a headache, I realize I did connect with something last night, last week, last year. Was it Her? Was it she who has bravery in her mind?


Courage? Did I show courage? What I was looking for was a "heart of oak". If an "acorn" dropped on my head, while I was taking a nap....that thud woke me up. I wonder how many pups are tagged ...IRENE in 2011/12? Probably screamers, collicaly babies who can't sleep during a vacuum cleaning, let alone shoveling a shit storm of debris, much like '80's kids.


The acorn fell. His Mother named him Jarron. An odd Gentleman took him in, determined to raise him up as his own. Nascar Fan and Boy Scout Troop leader, Guy was bounced out of too many auto sales jobs to speak of.

You can burn all the Lasagne pans, doesn't make you an IRON CHEF. I worked hard to support my kids. I washed dishes, served drinks with a smile, waited tables. I bought two homes and a business. I smoke and drink. I train dawgs.

My Grandson is in second Grade, a year ahead for his age. My daughters are self supporting, despite my "lack of education". Call it out as you will. Mr. Bora, can you teach the difference between a bung hole, and a dung hole?

I bred to a self-made man, the first time. I bred for family the second time. The Fathers of my Children, there are two.

I'll pause, I have for 44, years. My Grandma is a Long Island Matriarch, like anyone cares, it ain't saving the economy.

Ken, keep on nurturing.