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BonMallari
08-18-2011, 05:55 PM
with all the college football fans on here, I cant believe no one has commented on the scandal...or the fact that the former AD is now the AD at Texas Tech...or that the University of Miami president is none other than former Clinton administration cabinet member Donna Shalala

does anyone think that the Canes get slapped any worse than USC or Ohio State...could the NCAA actually use the death penalty like they did with SMU back in the 80's

the story has all the makings of a great movie...hookers, drugs,abortions, and football players getting extra benefits


guess Convict U is back..or maybe they never left

road kill
08-18-2011, 06:02 PM
with all the college football fans on here, I cant believe no one has commented on the scandal...or the fact that the former AD is now the AD at Texas Tech...or that the University of Miami president is none other than former Clinton administration cabinet member Donna Shalala

does anyone think that the Canes get slapped any worse than USC or Ohio State...could the NCAA actually use the death penalty like they did with SMU back in the 80's

the story has all the makings of a great movie...hookers, drugs,abortions, and football players getting extra benefits


guess Convict U is back..or maybe they never left

I wonder how many future congressman are involved????:rolleyes:


RK

BonMallari
08-18-2011, 06:11 PM
I am glad my Horns didnt hire former head coach Randy Shannon as our def coordinator...the skinny from inside sources said that he aced the interview with Mack Brown but did not pass the background check....

dback
08-18-2011, 08:29 PM
I've heard rumblings from a number of sources and individuals that would indicate it may not end with UM......could get really ugly. My impression is the NCAA would be reluctant to ever use the "Death Penalty" hammer again, but who knows. *IF* it is as reported....this would certainly appear to warrant it.

Yeah Bon.......you're Longhorns are the 'Squeaky Clean Crew'......that is the 12,000 lb elephant in the room we're talking about, right ;-)

Raymond Little
08-18-2011, 08:56 PM
Hell Bon, u had me with Hookers & Drugs! Can't wait for the screen play.
UM has always played "Thugs", DP is what should
Be used but Emmeritt will go light on them. NCCA's
Head of compliance is a former AD @ UM if I remember correctly and he was there when the Hookers and Drugs were happening. The whole bunch are as crooked as the Bammer white house!!

road kill
08-18-2011, 09:35 PM
Do any of you know of the history of the Southwest Conference and their ultimate demise??

No offense Bon, but............



RK

Nate_C
08-18-2011, 10:35 PM
Come on they all do it. Miami just got caught because the booster turned out to be a crook.

Novemberwitch
08-18-2011, 10:43 PM
Put the wammy on em.

OSU vs Miami play each other this fall in Miami. It is the "In Eligi Bowl."

Hew
08-18-2011, 10:47 PM
Come on they all do it. Miami just got caught because the booster turned out to be a crook.
I dunno, IMO that's pretty jaded and I don't believe for a minute that every school cheats. I think in some programs the cheating is institutional (USC, Miami and Auburn come to mind), in some schools the cheating is incidental and unknown by the schools, but that the great majority go to greath lengths to run a clean program. Call me Pollyanna. :D

If you want to contend that all schools sacrifice their integrity by giving schollys to kids who have no business on a college campus just becaue they can throw a football or dunk a basketball then I'll agree wit ya.

M&K's Retrievers
08-18-2011, 11:03 PM
Do any of you know of the history of the Southwest Conference and their ultimate demise??

No offense Bon, but............



RK

Care to explain?

Marvin S
08-18-2011, 11:20 PM
with all the college football fans on here, I cant believe no one has commented on the scandal...or the fact that the former AD is now the AD at Texas Tech...or that the University of Miami president is none other than former Clinton administration cabinet member Donna Shalala

does anyone think that the Canes get slapped any worse than USC or Ohio State...could the NCAA actually use the death penalty like they did with SMU back in the 80's

the story has all the makings of a great movie...hookers, drugs,abortions, and football players getting extra benefits


guess Convict U is back..or maybe they never left

AS I remember - it was the administration that ordered the Death Penalty as Oral Roberts did with their BB team. They are both Christian schools :eek:.


I dunno, IMO that's pretty jaded and I don't believe for a minute that every school cheats. I think in some programs the cheating is institutional (USC, Miami and Auburn come to mind), in some schools the cheating is incidental and unknown by the schools, but that the great majority go to greath lengths to run a clean program. Call me Pollyanna. :D

If you want to contend that all schools sacrifice their integrity by giving schollys to kids who have no business on a college campus just becaue they can throw a football or dunk a basketball then I'll agree wit ya.

I would agree with you - on both counts - Don't believe for one minute they wouldn't have liked to nail Bobby Knight. The days of a guy like Terry Baker winning the Heisman are long gone - though I believe the Mannings to be examples of what should be. Correct me if I'm wrong ;-)

road kill
08-19-2011, 08:58 AM
Quick look at the most "CORRUPT" college athletic conference EVER!!!

Awesome back in the day.
Money flowed freely!!

SMU took the hit, but it wasn't just them.
There is a movie I saw about the SMU debacle.
But it pretty clearly details all that went on.
Texas, I'm afraid, is identified as a culprit, equal to SMU.
No excuse for SMU, the NCAA came down and told the conference to chill, but SMU continued openly to pay it's athletes 10's of thousands a year in, uhhh, PAY!!!:rolleyes:
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Southwest Conference, a Breif History
This is about the now defunct Southwest Conference (SWC).

Established 1914
Dissolved 1996
Association NCAA
Division Division I
Members 8 (final), 13 (total)
Region South Central United States
Headquarters Dallas, Texas
Locations

The Southwest Conference (SWC) was a college athletic conference in the United States from 1914 to 1996. It consisted of schools mostly in the state of Texas and one in Arkansas, with historical members in Oklahoma.

The charter members of the conference were Baylor University, Oklahoma A&M University (now Oklahoma State University), Rice University, Southwestern University (in Georgetown, Texas), Texas A&M University, the University of Arkansas, the University of Oklahoma, and the University of Texas.


Early yearsThe first organizational meeting of the conference was held in May 1914 at the Oriental Hotel in Dallas, Texas. It was chaired by L. Theo Bellmont, who originated the idea for the athletic conference and was at the time athletic director at the University of Texas. Originally, Bellmont wanted Louisiana State University and the University of Mississippi to join the conference as well, but they declined to do so. The Southwest Conference became an official body on December 8, 1914, at a formal meeting at the Rice Hotel in Houston.

Its early years saw fluctuation in membership; Southwestern (a comparatively smaller school) dropped out of the conference in 1916, and Southern Methodist University joined in 1918; Texas Christian University became a member in 1923. Rice University left the conference in 1916, only to re-join in 1918.

After its organizational years, the conference settled into regularly scheduled meetings among its members, and began to gain stature nationwide. The SWC would be guided by seven commissioners, the first of whom, P. W. St. Clair, was appointed in 1938. In 1940, the conference took control of the then five-year-old Cotton Bowl Classic, which further established the prestige of both the bowl and the conference. Texas Technological College (now Texas Tech University) joined the SWC in 1958, followed by the University of Houston for the 1976 season (Houston won the SWC football championship in its first season in the league).



Beginning in the late 1930s and lasting until 1995, the Southwest Conference Champion automatically received an invitation as the "host" team in the Cotton Bowl Classic game on New Year's Day in Dallas, Texas. Opponents usually were the runners-up from the Big 8 Conference or the Southeastern Conference, although independents Penn State and Notre Dame were also often featured. From the 1940s onward, the Cotton Bowl Classic was counted among the four major bowl games, and often had national championship implications. However, in the 1990s, the game declined in importance, largely because of the decline of SWC prominence. In 1977, Notre Dame became the last team to win a national championship in the Cotton Bowl Classic.

The SWC had many legendary players and coaches over the years. In football, Dana X. Bible, Paul "Bear" Bryant, Darrell Royal, Frank Broyles, Hayden Fry, Lou Holtz, Gene Stallings, and Grant Teaff all served as head coaches in the conference. Some notable SWC players included Davey O'Brien, Sammy Baugh, Bobby Layne, Doak Walker, Tom Landry, Don Meredith, Earl Campbell, Mike Singletary, Lance Allworth, and Eric Dickerson. The trio of kicking contemporaries Steve Little of Arkansas, Tony Franklin of Texas A&M, and Russell Erxleben of Texas all kicked record setting field goals of 60 + yards in the same season.

The early 1980s were the glory years of SWC basketball, especially the Phi Slama Jama teams at the University of Houston. However, the most consistent program during the last quarter of the 20th century was the University of Arkansas with Sweet 16 appearances in 1978, 1979, 1981, 1983 and 1990, Elite 8 appearances in 1978, 1979, 1990 and 1991, and Final Four appearances in 1978 and 1990. Arkansas's famed Triplets, Marvin Delph, Ron Brewer and Sidney Moncrief, gave the rest of the league fits. The passion of Arkansas fans for their Razorbacks often overran the confines of SWC basketball venues, so much so, that Reunion Arena in Dallas (annual site of the SWC postseason tourney) was deemed "Barnhill South" (after the Razorbacks' on-campus arena) based on the numbers and intensity of Hog fans present.

Outstanding basketball coaches included Nolan Richardson, Tom Penders, Eddie Sutton, Abe Lemons, Guy V. Lewis, Shelby Metcalf and Gerald Myers. Great SWC hoops players included the aforementioned Triplets, Akeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Vinnie Johnson, Jon Koncak, Alvin Robertson, Ricky Pierce, Todd Day, Lee Mayberry, Oliver Miller and U.S. Reed, among others.

The Texas Longhorns were the class of SWC baseball, who under legendary coach Cliff Gustafson won national titles in 1975 and 1983, as well as titles under Bibb Falk in 1949 and 1950. Texas added titles in 2002 and 2005 under coach Augie Garrido, whose arrival in Austin coincided with the Longhorns' move to the Big 12. The Arkansas Razorbacks also fielded fine teams that advanced to the College World Series. The Hogs finished 2nd in 1979, 3rd in 1985 and 5th in both the 1987 and 1989 seasons. The Hogs have continued this tradition since moving to the SEC, reaching the CWS three times under Arkansas alum Dave Van Horn. Texas A&M rose to power in the late 1980s, going 58-5 in 1989 before losing twice in the regional championship round on its home field to LSU. The Aggies reached the College World Series in 1993. Rice began its ascent to college baseball's elite in the conference's final years under coach Wayne Graham, reaching the CWS in 1997, the year after the conference disbanded.

The Arkansas Razorbacks were dominant in track and field winning 15 SWC cross country team titles, 11 SWC indoor track team titles, 9 SWC outdoor track team titles and an incredible 8 SWC triple crowns (cross country, indoor track and outdoor track champions all in the same season. During their SWC days, the Razorbacks won 14 NCAA national team championships and one NCAA team triple crown. The list of Arkansas individual SWC champions and individual NCAA champions is long. Standout coaches and athletes include the legendary John McDonnell of Arkansas, the winningest coach in NCAA history regardless of sport. Baylor's Michael Johnson, Texas A&M's Randy Matson, Houston's Carl Lewis and Arkansas' Mike Conley all went on to win Olympic gold medals.

Final years
Southwest Conference, 19251991
The game ball from the 1995 Bayou Bucket Classic, the last football game in Southwest Conference history.
The 1980s saw many of the conference's athletic programs hit by recruiting scandals and NCAA probations.[1][2][3] The only programs to escape probation in the 1980s were Arkansas, Baylor, and Rice.[1][2][3] Because of repeated major violations, the Southern Methodist University football program in 1987 became only the third program in NCAA history to receive the so-called "Death Penalty" (after Kentucky basketball in 1952-53 and Southwestern Louisiana basketball from 1973 to 1975). The NCAA canceled SMU's 1987 season, and limited it to seven road games for 1988. However, nearly all of the school's lettermen transferred elsewhere, forcing SMU to keep its football program shuttered for 1988 as well. SMU also remained on probation until 1990. At that time, NCAA rules prohibited schools on probation from appearing on live television. As a result, the conference's market share in television coverage dwindled.


Over the course of its 82-year history, teams of the Southwest Conference garnered 64 recognized national championships in collegiate sports.

In 1997, the official records of the conference from 1914 to 1996 were moved from Dallas to the campus of Texas Tech University, becoming part of the Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library. The archive also contains an extensive assortment of images and memorabilia from each member university.
MembersArkansas (19151991)
Baylor (19151996)
Houston (19711996)
Oklahoma (19151919)
Oklahoma A&M (19151925)
Phillips (1920)
Rice (19151917 provisional, 19181996)
Southern Methodist (19181996)
Southwestern (19151916)
Texas (19151996)
Texas A&M (19151996)
TCU (19231996)
Texas Tech (19561996)

M&K's Retrievers
08-19-2011, 09:18 AM
Quick look at the most "CORRUPT" college athletic conference EVER!!!

Awesome back in the day.
Money flowed freely!!

SMU took the hit, but it wasn't just them.
There is a movie I saw about the SMU debacle.


I believe the movie you saw also noted that the SWC were pikers compared to the SEC.

On a current note, a columnist for the Daily Oklahoman remarked this week when asked about the possibility of OU going to the SEC. He said he doubted it because it would be like a recovering alcoholic going to a bar. The SEC currently has more problems than the old SWC.

road kill
08-19-2011, 09:20 AM
I believe the movie you saw also noted that the SWC were pikers compared to the SEC.

On a current note, a columnist for the Daily Oklahoman remarked this week when asked about the possibility of OU going to the SEC. He said he doubted it because it would be like a recovering alcoholic going to a bar. The SEC currently has more problems than the old SWC.

I think it was "Running With the Ponies" or something like that.
Don't remember any reference to SEC followers kool-aid issues????:D

It was an awesome conference in all sports.
Not just football.

Lots of cash, cars, houses and womens changing hands.




RK

dback
08-19-2011, 05:25 PM
Sheesh......wth was Erickson thinking......he had Randy Shannon at practice yesterday!!!!!! Fans treated him like he had Herpes Simplex 2. Some one would have to preform the 'Heimlich Maneuver' on HEW he'd be laughing so hard if we got in trouble again.....especially due to a DE screwup.

BonMallari
08-19-2011, 06:23 PM
Sheesh......wth was Erickson thinking......he had Randy Shannon at practice yesterday!!!!!! Fans treated him like he had Herpes Simplex 2. Some one would have to preform the 'Heimlich Maneuver' on HEW he'd be laughing so hard if we got in trouble again.....especially due to a DE screwup.

Didnt Randy Shannon play for Erickson at the U ? I have a bad feeling that the U scandal is just the tip of the iceberg in NCAA FB problems..Think there are those schools that have been caught...and all the others that will soon be caught (read mine, yours,theirs) not a major college program out there that doesnt have their compliance officer out there working overtime right now scrutinizing all the wannabee boosters, runners,donors,and former players

dback
08-19-2011, 06:39 PM
Didnt Randy Shannon play for Erickson at the U ?

Exact-a-mundo.......and coached there until last year........ Precisely why folks in these parts were none to happy to see him on the sideline. If I had the correct interview.....he says he never heard of Nevin Shapiro :rolleyes: Yep, and his arse don't suck swamp water either......

edit: wrong article.......Shannon says he couldn't stand the guy and told players to stay away, maybe he does have some redeeming qualities. Non the less......still pretty radioactive.