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Uncle Bill
08-30-2011, 12:22 PM
...that just seems to never go away. Now it's made it to the SCOTUS. Anyone know of this? Or is it just another email being shuttled around? I'm sure the Obamaites will check it out.

UB




VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT



If you haven't already heard - the case of Obama being a citizen - or not - reached the Supreme Court of the United States on Tuesday 7/26/2011.


AP - WASHINGTON D.C. -
In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College ...


Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California .


The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.


This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim.


The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K.


In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey .


This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.


Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter....


LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !


Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?


While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?


So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?


And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?


The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.


Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.


Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. . ... Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.


Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. ... State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.


Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.


If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.


Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Bayou Magic
08-30-2011, 01:19 PM
Might want to check some info...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp

Alex
08-30-2011, 01:44 PM
...that just seems to never go away. Now it's made it to the SCOTUS. Anyone know of this? Or is it just another email being shuttled around? I'm sure the Obamaites will check it out.

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For someone who prattles on about the need for self sufficiency in developing character, it would seem that you ought to rely on yourself to do your own fact checking; prior to you posting up another in a long list of ridiculous disproved myths.

Do you care at all about your credibility?

zeus3925
08-30-2011, 01:59 PM
Give it up, Bill. You're not going to unseat the POTUS before the end of his term. By the way the Republican field looks it doesn't look like there is a serious challenge coming. Besides you wouldn't like a President Biden anyway.

caryalsobrook
08-30-2011, 03:06 PM
Give it up, Bill. You're not going to unseat the POTUS before the end of his term. By the way the Republican field looks it doesn't look like there is a serious challenge coming. Besides you wouldn't like a President Biden anyway.
Gosh, I hate to see that brought up again. Might give the dems an excuse to nominate someone else if they see he can't win. Wish you wern't so far away or I would bet you a steak dinner he won't win.:razz:

Franco
08-30-2011, 04:35 PM
For someone who prattles on about the need for self sufficiency in developing character, it would seem that you ought to rely on yourself to do your own fact checking; prior to you posting up another in a long list of ridiculous disproved myths.

Do you care at all about your credibility?

The extreme right thrives on emails from unreliable sources, it what gets them fired up!

I suggest they watch a little more Lou Dobbs, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel and spend less time with the unreliables like Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingaram and the rest of the extreme whack-jobs.

Democracy depends largely on a well-infor­med population­...
Clearly, we are in trouble.

huntinman
08-30-2011, 04:42 PM
The extreme right thrives on emails from unreliable sources, it what gets them fired up!

I suggest they watch a little more Lou Dobbs, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel and spend less time with the unreliables like Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingaram and the rest of the extreme whack-jobs.

Oh yeah and listen to some speeches from that totally coherent
Ron Paul:rolleyes:

JDogger
08-30-2011, 06:24 PM
Oh yeah and listen to some speeches from that totally coherent
Ron Paul:rolleyes:
The topic was UB's copy and paste, of a somewhat dated email, and other posters comments on such.

Try to stay OT. If you wish to discuss Ron Paul with Franco, start a thread for that purpose.

Back to topic. Do you find UB's OP true and accurate?

JD

Franco
08-30-2011, 07:20 PM
If Ron Paul wasn't coherent he wouldn't have been on the Kudlow Report, Anderson Cooper, Lou Dobbs, and Neil Cavuto today!

road kill
08-30-2011, 07:24 PM
The topic was UB's copy and paste, of a somewhat dated email, and other posters comments on such.

Try to stay OT. If you wish to discuss Ron Paul with Franco, start a thread for that purpose.

Back to topic. Do you find UB's OP true and accurate?

JD

Thank goodness we have JD to keep us focused and on topic..........

RK

Hew
08-30-2011, 07:30 PM
Thank goodness we have JD to keep us focused and on topic..........

RK

I for one applaud his efforts to help POTUS Place. I think he feels a certain responsibility to nurture what he once tried to kill. :D:-P:D

JDogger
08-30-2011, 07:36 PM
If Ron Paul wasn't coherent he wouldn't have been on the Kudlow Report, Anderson Cooper, Lou Dobbs, and Neil Cavuto today!

Stay OT Booty, or you just justify Bill's soiling of this thread. You've already given your thoughts on the OP. Responding to Davis is just taking his bait. Don't. Ignore him. Your not going to make a dent with him or UB either.

Tea will rot your brain

Jess sayin, JD

JDogger
08-30-2011, 07:51 PM
I for one applaud his efforts to help POTUS Place. I think he feels a certain responsibility to nurture what he once tried to kill. :D:-P:D

WOW, John. Good to see you still check in occasionally. JD

huntinman
08-30-2011, 08:22 PM
The topic was UB's copy and paste, of a somewhat dated email, and other posters comments on such.

Try to stay OT. If you wish to discuss Ron Paul with Franco, start a thread for that purpose.

Back to topic. Do you find UB's OP true and accurate?

JD

Maybe you should ask Franco that after you tell him to stay on topic. Were you a hall monitor in grade school?

JDogger
08-30-2011, 10:05 PM
Maybe you should ask Franco that after you tell him to stay on topic. Were you a hall monitor in grade school?


Good answer. Franco stayed OT. You didn't. Now wipe your nose and answer my question. Do you believe the OP's post?
Yes or no. It's an easy question.
JD

road kill
08-31-2011, 05:58 AM
Good answer. Franco stayed OT. You didn't. Now wipe your nose and answer my question. Do you believe the OP's post?
Yes or no. It's an easy question.
JD

I beleive the media was lax on the vetting process and I do question the authenticity of many of the answers given to many of the questions that have been asked.
In addition, the reluctance to provide the documents that could dispell these ideas were not forthcoming.....prompting cynicism and distrust.

I think that Obama was probably "legally" and "technically" born in the USA.
I do also think that it is outside the traditional "jes soli."
Those variances from the norm raise questions.
The arrogance in which they are handled and answered cause doubt.

Remember, not everyone is as smart as you well educated progressive elitests.:D

RK

JDogger
08-31-2011, 08:00 AM
I beleive the media was lax on the vetting process and I do question the authenticity of many of the answers given to many of the questions that have been asked.
In addition, the reluctance to provide the documents that could dispell these ideas were not forthcoming.....prompting cynicism and distrust.

I think that Obama was probably "legally" and "technically" born in the USA.
I do also think that it is outside the traditional "jes soli."
Those variances from the norm raise questions.
The arrogance in which they are handled and answered cause doubt.

Remember, not everyone is as smart as you well educated progressive elitists.:D

RK

Fixed it for Ya. ;)

I'll take your answer as a "yes", that UB"s email is true and factual then.
I won't deny your's and UB's right to believe anything you want.

road kill
08-31-2011, 08:02 AM
Fixed it for Ya. ;)

I'll take your answer as a "yes", that UB"s email is true and factual then.
I won't deny your's and UB's right to believe anything you want.
Then you would be wrong.
I made my point quite clear and bet someone $5 that YOU wouldn't get it.
I now have $5 more in my pocket, thank you.;)


Or, are you pretending??:cool:

RK

JDogger
08-31-2011, 08:26 AM
Or, are you pretending?

RK

At what level? Yours, mine or his?

huntinman
08-31-2011, 08:50 AM
Good answer. Franco stayed OT. You didn't. Now wipe your nose and answer my question. Do you believe the OP's post?
Yes or no. It's an easy question.
JD

First of all, I really don't care what your question is or what you think. You go out of you way to be an arrogant a$$ on every post to anyone that you disagree with. Are you trying to become the new and improved 777??

Gerry Clinchy
08-31-2011, 09:30 AM
In fairness, I think that there is some factual material in UB's OP.

1) That O got a grant for a "foreign" student.
Maybe he could claim dual citizenship, but was that "tweaking" the system? Did he have to disclaim his US citizenship to claim citizenship for Indonesia? If so, how is that handled WRT eligibility for the Presidency?

2) I wonder why blocking transcripts from college are such a big deal? My own college transcript only shows courses and grades. So what? Why resist the release of something so mundane?

I can understand that Michelle might want her thesis blocked if it had content supporting socialism or communism. Yup, that would make great media fodder. But blocking a simple transcript?

3) That he had the $ for a world trip, when he had received financial aid previously for college?

As I understand it, his grandparents raised him & they were "comfortable" middle class, though not, perhaps, "rich". I suppose that he could have been eligible for financial aid based on his parents' financial situation, if his grandparents were not his legal guardians. Perhaps the grandparents gave him the $ for the trip?

If the answers are as simple as this, why not just say so? Why the intrigue?

Truthfully, most of us might acknowledge that our college years were not always the best example of our future potential. In fact, if we were misguided at that point in our lives & put our act together, that should be a favorable reflection on character. Our history is peppered with uplifting stories of how misguided young people found their way into fruitful adult lives.

BonMallari
09-01-2011, 02:21 AM
Good answer. Franco stayed OT. You didn't. Now wipe your nose and answer my question. Do you believe the OP's post?
Yes or no. It's an easy question.
JD

if I may answer (not for Franco) but IMHO the OP post has some facts but also jumps to some other conclusions with very little in between....so based on your question and the way I was taught, if any part of the answer is false then the whole answer is false...do I believe it, not enough to bet the farm on it...


In fairness, I think that there is some factual material in UB's OP.

1) That O got a grant for a "foreign" student.
Maybe he could claim dual citizenship, but was that "tweaking" the system? Did he have to disclaim his US citizenship to claim citizenship for Indonesia? If so, how is that handled WRT eligibility for the Presidency?

2) I wonder why blocking transcripts from college are such a big deal? My own college transcript only shows courses and grades. So what? Why resist the release of something so mundane?

I can understand that Michelle might want her thesis blocked if it had content supporting socialism or communism. Yup, that would make great media fodder. But blocking a simple transcript?

3) That he had the $ for a world trip, when he had received financial aid previously for college?

As I understand it, his grandparents raised him & they were "comfortable" middle class, though not, perhaps, "rich". I suppose that he could have been eligible for financial aid based on his parents' financial situation, if his grandparents were not his legal guardians. Perhaps the grandparents gave him the $ for the trip?

If the answers are as simple as this, why not just say so? Why the intrigue?

Truthfully, most of us might acknowledge that our college years were not always the best example of our future potential. In fact, if we were misguided at that point in our lives & put our act together, that should be a favorable reflection on character. Our history is peppered with uplifting stories of how misguided young people found their way into fruitful adult lives.

the Snopes article is correct about the Fullbright scholarship because my brother Monico applied for it but was turned down because he was an American citizen...but I do know from personal experience that all through my collegiate days I was NEVER asked to prove citizenship, ONLY state residency, it took me about 3k in legal fees to prove I am a US citizen by birth, thanks to my mom for keeping all of my dad's military records

I also believe that the vetting process fro BHO was poor at best and there are some enormous gaps with reason to go hmmm, but as Buzz stated not enough to remove him from office..for now...