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Eric Johnson
08-30-2011, 11:14 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/30/us-labor-day-wisconsin-idUSTRE77T64220110830

http://tinyurl.com/3hke2yq

By John Rondy
MILWAUKEE | Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:04pm EDT

(Reuters) - The mayor of a Wisconsin town said on Tuesday a local labor council would have to reimburse the city up to $2,000 for a Labor Day parade if organizers exclude Republican lawmakers from attending.

The move in Wausau, Wisconsin, came after a county labor official said last week that Republican politicians were not welcome at the event due to their party's stance against collective bargaining when state lawmakers voted to curtail it earlier this year.

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Buzz
08-31-2011, 09:07 AM
I'll sent the labor council $100 to help them cover costs. I'm sure there are many others like me.

road kill
08-31-2011, 09:12 AM
I'll sent the labor council $100 to help them cover costs. I'm sure there are many others like me.

So.....in YOUR America, not everyone is welcome???


Interesting.:rolleyes:

RK

Gerry Clinchy
08-31-2011, 10:35 AM
Will they, would they, also exclude anyone from attending who happened to vote for a R?

If it were a private event, it would seem they should be able to exclude whomever they wished. If it is a public event, does not seem it should be exclusionary.

road kill
08-31-2011, 10:39 AM
Will they, would they, also exclude anyone from attending who happened to vote for a R?

If it were a private event, it would seem they should be able to exclude whomever they wished. If it is a public event, does not seem it should be exclusionary.
Nor should it be financed with taxpayer funds.
Which is the issue!!

RK

Buzz
08-31-2011, 11:04 AM
Nor should it be financed with taxpayer funds.
Which is the issue!!

RK


Which is why I said that I would contribute to putting on the parade.

Do you even know the history behind labor day? I'll help...


Labor Day: How it Came About; What it Means

Labor Day, the first Monday in September, is a creation of the labor movement and is dedicated to the social and economic achievements of American workers. It constitutes a yearly national tribute to the contributions workers have made to the strength, prosperity, and well-being of our country.

Founder of Labor Day

More than 100 years after the first Labor Day observance, there is still some doubt as to who first proposed the holiday for workers.
Some records show that Peter J. McGuire, general secretary of the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners and a cofounder of the American Federation of Labor, was first in suggesting a day to honor those "who from rude nature have delved and carved all the grandeur we behold."

But Peter McGuire's place in Labor Day history has not gone unchallenged. Many believe that Matthew Maguire, a machinist, not Peter McGuire, founded the holiday. Recent research seems to support the contention that Matthew Maguire, later the secretary of Local 344 of the International Association of Machinists in Paterson, N.J., proposed the holiday in 1882 while serving as secretary of the Central Labor Union in New York. What is clear is that the Central Labor Union adopted a Labor Day proposal and appointed a committee to plan a demonstration and picnic.

The First Labor Day

The first Labor Day holiday was celebrated on Tuesday, September 5, 1882, in New York City, in accordance with the plans of the Central Labor Union. The Central Labor Union held its second Labor Day holiday just a year later, on September 5, 1883.

In 1884 the first Monday in September was selected as the holiday, as originally proposed, and the Central Labor Union urged similar organizations in other cities to follow the example of New York and celebrate a "workingmen's holiday" on that date. The idea spread with the growth of labor organizations, and in 1885 Labor Day was celebrated in many industrial centers of the country.

Labor Day Legislation

Through the years the nation gave increasing emphasis to Labor Day. The first governmental recognition came through municipal ordinances passed during 1885 and 1886. From them developed the movement to secure state legislation. The first state bill was introduced into the New York legislature, but the first to become law was passed by Oregon on February 21, 1887. During the year four more states — Colorado, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York — created the Labor Day holiday by legislative enactment. By the end of the decade Connecticut, Nebraska, and Pennsylvania had followed suit. By 1894, 23 other states had adopted the holiday in honor of workers, and on June 28 of that year, Congress passed an act making the first Monday in September of each year a legal holiday in the District of Columbia and the territories.

A Nationwide Holiday

The form that the observance and celebration of Labor Day should take were outlined in the first proposal of the holiday — a street parade to exhibit to the public "the strength and esprit de corps of the trade and labor organizations" of the community, followed by a festival for the recreation and amusement of the workers and their families. This became the pattern for the celebrations of Labor Day. Speeches by prominent men and women were introduced later, as more emphasis was placed upon the economic and civic significance of the holiday. Still later, by a resolution of the American Federation of Labor convention of 1909, the Sunday preceding Labor Day was adopted as Labor Sunday and dedicated to the spiritual and educational aspects of the labor movement.

The character of the Labor Day celebration has undergone a change in recent years, especially in large industrial centers where mass displays and huge parades have proved a problem. This change, however, is more a shift in emphasis and medium of expression. Labor Day addresses by leading union officials, industrialists, educators, clerics and government officials are given wide coverage in newspapers, radio, and television.

The vital force of labor added materially to the highest standard of living and the greatest production the world has ever known and has brought us closer to the realization of our traditional ideals of economic and political democracy. It is appropriate, therefore, that the nation pay tribute on Labor Day to the creator of so much of the nation's strength, freedom, and leadership — the American worker.

The parade is organized by the Marathon County Labor Council. Here is the statement they issued in connection with the Labor Day Parade.


The Wausau Labor Day Parade is a time to celebrate the working men and women of Wisconsin. It is not a political event or stop on the campaign trail. It is a time for working families to come together to celebrate their hard work and a time where we recognize the labor movement for all they have given us -- the weekend, the 40 hour work week, child labor protection, a safe work environment. It should come as no surprise that organizers choose not to invite elected officials who have openly attacked worker's rights or stood idly by while their political party fought to strip public workers of their right to collectively bargain.

Randy Radtke
President Marathon County Labor Council AFL-CIO

I don't see why the organizers should feel obligated to provide a forum for those who are attacking them to politic in a parade on a day that was founded by the labor movement to honor the American Worker. If the issue is public money, then maybe folks should belly up to the bar and fund it with private money, which is what I offered to do. I know you dislike every aspect of the labor movement, so I'm wondering why you would even lift a finger to observe it or care about the anti-labor politicians that you support being able to use labor's day to promote themselves and their anti-labor message.

road kill
08-31-2011, 11:14 AM
Which is why I said that I would contribute to putting on the parade.

Do you even know the history behind labor day? I'll help...



The parade is organized by the Marathon County Labor Council. Here is the statement they issued in connection with the Labor Day Parade.



I don't see why the organizers should feel obligated to provide a forum for those who are attacking them to politic in a parade on a day that was founded by the labor movement to honor the American Worker. Only public union members are considered American workers in your world?? If the issue is public money, then maybe folks should belly up to the bar and fund it with private money, which is what I offered to do. I know you dislike every aspect of the labor movement,You do?? so I'm wondering why you would even lift a finger to observe it or care about the anti-labor politicians that you support being able to use labor's day to promote themselves and their anti-labor message.I have absolutely NO issue with it, just don't use public taxpayer money.

So, in YOUR America not everyone is welcome??

BTW--They are using public money to finance the insurance for the event.
If it is not open to the public, then no public money should be used.

Please tell me you get that, please????:confused:




RK

Buzz
08-31-2011, 11:24 AM
So, in YOUR America not everyone is welcome??

BTW--They are using public money to finance the insurance for the event.
If it is not open to the public, then no public money should be used.

Please tell me you get that, please????:confused:




RK

You don't get what I'm saying at all. Not worth my time to pursue it any further. I have work to do...

road kill
08-31-2011, 11:26 AM
You don't get what I'm saying at all. Not worth my time to pursue it any further. I have work to do...


Oh I get exactly what your saying.

You want to use my money to fund your party.

And in YOUR America, not everyone is welcome.

It is very clear.


RK

Buzz
08-31-2011, 11:30 AM
Oh I get exactly what your saying.

You want to use my money to fund your party.

And in YOUR America, not everyone is welcome.

It is very clear.


RK


No, not at all. I got in touch with the Labor Council and offered them $100 toward expenses so that they could forgo any public funding to support their event. It doesn't matter anyhow. The Labor Council buckled under the pressure from Wausau's mayor, so it's a moot point. Enemies of labor will be provided a forum at the event.

road kill
08-31-2011, 11:37 AM
No, not at all. I got in touch with the Labor Council and offered them $100 toward expenses so that they could forgo any public funding to support their event. It doesn't matter anyhow. The Labor Council buckled under the pressure from Wausau's mayor, so it's a moot point. Enemies of labor will be provided a forum at the event.
I do commend you for standing behind your beleifs, however errant they may be!!;)


RK

Ken Bora
08-31-2011, 11:42 AM
if this coming Mondays Labor Day observance is such a monumental National "thing" then riddle me this would you? Why is it only the state and federal and government offices with their workers are closed? And the Banks and their workers, The post office and the school teachers??? Anyone with feet in a ditch or hands on a brick or head in an oven will still be on the job. It has become a day that these master slackers lounge yet again while the true backbone keeps on keeping on. A misused day from an outdated movement that has gone so far from it's original mission it is laughable.
 
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Buzz
08-31-2011, 11:47 AM
if this coming Mondays Labor Day observance is such a monumental National "thing" then riddle me this would you? Why is it only the state and federal and government offices with their workers are closed? And the Banks and their workers, The post office and the school teachers??? Anyone with feet in a ditch or hands on a brick or head in an oven will still be on the job. It has become a day that these master slackers lounge yet again while the true backbone keeps on keeping on. A misused day from an outdated movement that has gone so far from it's original mission it is laughable.
 
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I don't know what you're talking about. I've been in the private sector for almost 30 years. Have not worked a Labor Day in my life. And for the record, I've never been in a union. Engineers are not unionized.

Ken Bora
08-31-2011, 11:51 AM
just checked an online schedule and the trains from here to both Boston and Montreal will running as normal on Monday. Guess you work for a better railroad.

M&K's Retrievers
08-31-2011, 12:02 PM
just checked an online schedule and the trains from here to both Boston and Montreal will running as normal on Monday. Guess you work for a better railroad.


You beat me to it, Ken. My dad was an engineer and got that all the time.

No, he doesn't drive a train regards, :)

road kill
08-31-2011, 12:25 PM
just checked an online schedule and the trains from here to both Boston and Montreal will running as normal on Monday. Guess you work for a better railroad.


"Casey Jones?"
Are you a Dead-Head?


RK

JDogger
08-31-2011, 12:27 PM
Like all holidays in the USA some people work, some have the day off. It varies, but never does the world come to a screeching halt. To the contrary, holidays are now all about the commercial aspect. Labor day sales, Halloween costumes and candy, Black friday, before and after Christmas sales, New years sales, Presidents day sales, then valentine hype, Easter specials, Memorial day door-busters, 4th of July blowouts. Even Veterans day sadly.:cry:

road kill
08-31-2011, 12:46 PM
Like all holidays in the USA some people work, some have the day off. It varies, but never does the world come to a screeching halt. To the contrary, holidays are now all about the commercial aspect. Labor day sales, Halloween costumes and candy, Black friday, before and after Christmas sales, New years sales, Presidents day sales, then valentine hype, Easter specials, Memorial day door-busters, 4th of July blowouts. Even Veterans day sadly.:cry:

You forgot Duck Season Opener!!
The BIGGEST of them all!!!!


RK

Marvin S
08-31-2011, 12:57 PM
if this coming Mondays Labor Day observance is such a monumental National "thing" then riddle me this would you? Why is it only the state and federal and government offices with their employees are closed? And the Banks and their employees, The post office and the school teachers??? Anyone with feet in a ditch or hands on a brick or head in an oven will still be on the job. It has become a day that these master slackers lounge yet again while the true backbone keeps on keeping on. A misused day from an outdated movement that has gone so far from it's original mission it is laughable.
 
.


Ken = well stated - just a minor correction - that they work is an assumption :)


I don't know what you're talking about. I've been in the private sector for almost 30 years. Have not worked a Labor Day in my life. And for the record, I've never been in a union. Engineers are not unionized.

You need to tell the folks in SPEEA that :-x . Longest White Collar strike in the history of the labor movement. Management found out they could not do without their engineers :cool: .

JDogger
08-31-2011, 01:05 PM
You forgot Duck Season Opener!!
The BIGGEST of them all!!!!


RK

Yeah... the catalogs for Cabela's, Gander Mtn, Macks etc all started showing up this week. We'll give you $10 off your order of $150 or more.;)

Opener here isn't for six weeks. :sad: If it ever cools off, maybe some early teal in a couple weeks.

JD

Eric Johnson
08-31-2011, 01:09 PM
just checked an online schedule and the trains from here to both Boston and Montreal will running as normal on Monday. Guess you work for a better railroad.


Employees who work w/e and holidays usually get credit for working on a holiday and can take the day at some other time. Police, fireman, hospital workers, transportation, etc.

I don't believe Buzz works on a railroad.

Eric

Hew
08-31-2011, 02:56 PM
just checked an online schedule and the trains from here to both Boston and Montreal will running as normal on Monday. Guess you work for a better railroad.

LOL.............

limiman12
09-02-2011, 06:09 PM
Just out of curiostity would this parade be held on PRIVATE gorunds or would they be disrupting traffic on a public street. How can someone be banned from a public street?

laborers and union members are not the problem, union bosses thinking they run the world is. Why not welcome the repubs and see it as a chance to lobby them?

Uncle Bill
09-02-2011, 09:48 PM
Just out of curiostity would this parade be held on PRIVATE gorunds or would they be disrupting traffic on a public street. How can someone be banned from a public street?

laborers and union members are not the problem, union bosses thinking they run the world is. Why not welcome the repubs and see it as a chance to lobby them?


Sorry Fritz...posts like that make far too much common sense. Now none of the unionistas will vote for you. Heh heh heh heh:rolleyes:

UB

limiman12
09-03-2011, 04:06 PM
Darn It All To Heck........

cotts135
09-04-2011, 06:53 AM
So.....in YOUR America, not everyone is welcome???


Interesting.:rolleyes:

RK

Kinda like how many on this board feel about American Muslims .

Gerry Clinchy
09-04-2011, 06:47 PM
Kinda like how many on this board feel about American Muslims .

Sort of a stretch, there, cotts135.

If Roman Catholics pledged their allegiance to the Pope over U.S. laws, they would be as unwelcome, as Muslims who would choose to place Sharia Law over U.S. Law.

Sharia Law may allow a Muslim to kill their daughter for "adultery", but U.S. law would not allow that. Just as U.S. law does not allow a Roman Catholic to kill someone who performs abortions.

If I am opposed to abortion, I am free to practice that belief myself. I may not impose that belief on others (not even my family members of legal and/or consenting age) if they do not accept that belief. (This might not be the perfect example for comparison, but it is the one that first came to my mind)

I don't think that anyone on this forum would prevent any individual practicing any religious belief as long as it did not impose on the religious freedom of some other individual. I think that the big issue with Islam is that it seems (as least to an outsider) to meld religious & political allegiance into an inseparable entity. For those Muslims who can separate the two, as most other religions do, there should be no problem.

Indeed, a Roman Catholic who lives in Italy may not have to separate their religious and sectarian beliefs. In Saudi Arabia, that would also be the case for a Muslim. However, in the U.S., the situation is different.

road kill
09-04-2011, 07:33 PM
Sort of a stretch, there, cotts135.

If Roman Catholics pledged their allegiance to the Pope over U.S. laws, they would be as unwelcome, as Muslims who would choose to place Sharia Law over U.S. Law.

Sharia Law may allow a Muslim to kill their daughter for "adultery", but U.S. law would not allow that. Just as U.S. law does not allow a Roman Catholic to kill someone who performs abortions.

If I am opposed to abortion, I am free to practice that belief myself. I may not impose that belief on others (not even my family members of legal and/or consenting age) if they do not accept that belief. (This might not be the perfect example for comparison, but it is the one that first came to my mind)

I don't think that anyone on this forum would prevent any individual practicing any religious belief as long as it did not impose on the religious freedom of some other individual. I think that the big issue with Islam is that it seems (as least to an outsider) to meld religious & political allegiance into an inseparable entity. For those Muslims who can separate the two, as most other religions do, there should be no problem.

Indeed, a Roman Catholic who lives in Italy may not have to separate their religious and sectarian beliefs. In Saudi Arabia, that would also be the case for a Muslim. However, in the U.S., the situation is different.

He knows that.
The only thing the the Republicans and Muslims have in common is that both want to change America.......:rolleyes:



RK

JDogger
09-04-2011, 09:00 PM
He knows that.
The only thing the the Republicans and Muslims have in common is that both want to change America.......:rolleyes:



RK

...and that is why some republicons are refered to as TEAjadists.

Jess sayin' JD

Down East Labs 217
09-05-2011, 04:06 PM
He knows that.
The only thing the the Republicans and Muslims have in common is that both want to change America.......:rolleyes:



RK

Is not the POTUS the one who used CHANGE as his big word game to get the sheep to follow him.

Richard

caryalsobrook
09-05-2011, 05:25 PM
...and that is why some republicons are refered to as TEAjadists.

Jess sayin' JD
Too bad Maxine Waters isn't on this forum. She would wholeheartedly agree with you.

JDogger
09-05-2011, 08:36 PM
Too bad Maxine Waters isn't on this forum. She would wholeheartedly agree with you.

Waters is a flake. Try again. JD

caryalsobrook
09-06-2011, 02:36 AM
Waters is a flake. Try again. JD
So is anybody that trys to equate the TEA Party with the jehadists.

road kill
09-06-2011, 07:09 AM
...and that is why some republicons are refered to as TEAjadists.

Jess sayin' JD

There you go folks!!

JDogger summed up in 1 sentence.:rolleyes:


RK