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Franco
09-09-2011, 10:23 AM
Instead of letting the private sector do its thing and create jobs, big brother wants to do the only thing it knows how to do; throw more money at a problem!

From the Libertarian Party website.....

Government stimulus spending benefits a few, but at great expense to everyone else. Politicians like to be able to say they're "doing something," but too often, "doing something" means handing out money to special interests. Often these programs are promoted with false claims that they will benefit the poor and middle class. Usually the opposite happens.
We don't need the government "doing something" if it involves more spending and new programs.
We'd be better off if the government stopped trying to help, and gave Americans a chance to recover, adjust their plans, and start solving economic problems themselves.

Gerry Clinchy
09-09-2011, 10:35 AM
Is there some reason we need to hire more teachers when enrollments are decreasing?

Sounded like re-treads to me.

road kill
09-09-2011, 10:39 AM
Is there some reason we need to hire more teachers when enrollments are decreasing?

Sounded like re-treads to me.

Yes, the reason we need more teachers is so NEA can extort dues and feed it to the DNC!!!


Pretty simple really.

The only job "B" cares about is his.


RK

BonMallari
09-09-2011, 11:59 AM
follow the money trail...the jobs he is talking about assist organized labor..notice that the AFL-CIO president was sitting in attendance at the speech..the unions are the strength of the BHO re election campaign, he is going to throw them every bone he can in the hope that they can rally their troops and get out to vote

Goose
09-09-2011, 01:20 PM
The only job Barakeh cares about is his own. He likes those Tuesday night kobe beef dinners at the White House funded by the taxpayer. Who can blame him. Who wouldn't want 4 more years of that.

I went down to the local gold and silver store yesterday and the guy there told me that he has a 20 year old client who comes in once a month and buys a small amount of gold with part of his paycheck.

Smart kid.

We live in Cuba now.

Uncle Bill
09-09-2011, 03:40 PM
follow the money trail...the jobs he is talking about assist organized labor..notice that the AFL-CIO president was sitting in attendance at the speech..the unions are the strength of the BHO re election campaign, he is going to throw them every bone he can in the hope that they can rally their troops and get out to vote


No question about it, Bon. The unionistas are the entire game for this oligarchy. The last 'stimulus saw on unionized beuracracy grow from one...that's 1...like in ONE...person in the transportation department, to there now being 1,690...that's ONE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED NINETY...employees in that beauracracy! And they are all making hefty 6 figure annual salaries with waaaaaayyyy more than COLA increases, not to mention their pension funds and insurance programs the taxpayers are responsible for.

Can November 2012 come too soon?

UB

Gerry Clinchy
09-14-2011, 08:24 AM
Well, now we know how Obama is going to pay for his $460B jobs bill. He's going to raise taxes on the "rich" and pay for it OVER TEN YEARS!! Yup, spend it now & pay for it in 10 years. Does that sound familiar?

If by some wild stretch of the imagination, it were to work at all, he could get the credit during his presidency ... and someone else could be left to clean up the mess.

Buzz
09-14-2011, 10:14 AM
So I guess the private sector will fix all the bridges that have become dangerous and all the school buildings that are in disrepair.

Gerry Clinchy
09-14-2011, 10:43 AM
Maintaining roads and bridges are among the justifiable duties for govt.

Wasn't $787B enough to fix a lot of those bridges? Why didn't that money go there already?

That was the vague "promise" for the use of those funds, but turned out to be bait and switch. $500,000 came to a local township in my area to make its municipal building more energy efficient. Another several hundred thousand to a local school district, and I've not been able to decipher the use of those funds from the description given. More $ locally to RE-do handicapped curbs. Work lasted a few months, then done. Probably had a couple of bridges that could have used improvement with those funds instead.

Even in this new "plan" evidently about 1/2 is devoted to shoring up salaries teachers' & local govt workers ... not fixing infrastructure.

Raymond Little
09-14-2011, 10:50 AM
So I guess the private sector will fix all the bridges that have become dangerous and all the school buildings that are in disrepair.

Buzz, wasn't that what the first "Stimulas" was for? $800,000,000 + for "Shovel Ready Jobs" that "really weren't that shovel ready"(BHO 2011). Exactly what happened to all those "Benjamins"????????????????????? and who recieved the largesse???????????????????????:rolleyes: American taxpayers were "Rolled" just like the GM and Chrysler bond holders by this administration.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38903

Jason Glavich
09-14-2011, 11:05 AM
Buzz, wasn't that what the first "Stimulas" was for? $800,000,000 + for "Shovel Ready Jobs" that "really weren't that shovel ready"(BHO 2011). Exactly what happened to all those "Benjamins"????????????????????? and who recieved the largesse???????????????????????:rolleyes: American taxpayers were "Rolled" just like the GM and Chrysler bond holders by this administration.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38903



Here are some other notable uses of the money and creating jobs.

http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2010/02/stimulus-waste-15-notable-sinkholes.html

troy schwab
09-14-2011, 12:40 PM
So I guess the private sector will fix all the bridges that have become dangerous and all the school buildings that are in disrepair.

Bridges might be the government responsibility, mostly state I would imagine...... buit I pay SCHOOL taxes for a reason..... the schools can take care of themselves..... or they should anyway. This is just another union ass kissing from Obama..... just like the first "stimulus"......and we all know how well that worked. But, I do have a curb cut at an intersection that I have never seen a pedestrian on...... SWEEEET!!!! What a joke!

Terri
09-14-2011, 05:08 PM
I think the shovel ready jobs are coming in now. Surprisingly the money was found and over 35 bridge jobs passed over my husband's deck in a two week period. Six more came in the third week. All were a rush and this is only phase one so they will cross his desk again several times before it is all done. He had to put all his regularly scheduled jobs on hold to get these jobs going. They should have the construction guys out in the field come election day.

Terri

Eric Johnson
09-14-2011, 10:45 PM
The politicians are remembering the days on the Great Depression when hundreds on men were employed to build new roads. Today, most of the work is re-surfacing and that an be done by less than 2 dozen men on a project that stretches 30 miles. The difference is the machinery and the nature of the project.

I learned a long time ago, you can put 2 men down a manhole to splice cable. If you increase the size of the crew to 20 men, you won't finish any sooner and you'll just have 18 men looking down the manhole.

Eric

Matt McKenzie
09-15-2011, 06:51 AM
The politicians are remembering the days on the Great Depression when hundreds on men were employed to build new roads. Today, most of the work is re-surfacing and that an be done by less than 2 dozen men on a project that stretches 30 miles. The difference is the machinery and the nature of the project.

I learned a long time ago, you can put 2 men down a manhole to splice cable. If you increase the size of the crew to 20 men, you won't finish any sooner and you'll just have 18 men looking down the manhole.

Eric

We have a phrase in my industry, "Nine women can't make a baby in one month".

FOM
09-15-2011, 10:11 AM
Saw this on FB: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/14/conservative-nabs-naming-rights-to-american-jobs-act-after-obama-delay/

Gerry Clinchy
09-15-2011, 10:27 AM
That's kind of a hoot! I'm sure there are at least several legislators will have no idea what they are voting for ... or is that just business as usual anyhow?

Julie R.
09-15-2011, 02:03 PM
Maintaining roads and bridges are among the justifiable duties for govt.

Wasn't $787B enough to fix a lot of those bridges? Why didn't that money go there already?



Fixing roads & bridges shouldn't need any stimulas money. Everyone pays through the ying yang via gas taxes which are supposed to be used for federal transportation projects so what's needed is to trim the fat and stop diverting what is essentially a user fee to fund entitlements.

Frankly I'm tired of pensions and lavish health care programs being used to buy Democrats' votes.
Get rid of all of them--EVERY govt. worker whether federal, state or local, and EVERY union member, from the rank & file to the top, should have the same insurance options as the rest of us. I'm kind of sorry he no longer posts here but I actually agree with Jeff on this: it's past time to get employers out of the insurance business. They already do the govt. book keeping by collecting payroll, SS & FICA taxes for the govt., why should they be expected to pay for insurance?

Buzz
09-15-2011, 02:45 PM
Fixing roads & bridges shouldn't need any stimulas money. Everyone pays through the ying yang via gas taxes which are supposed to be used for federal transportation projects so what's needed is to trim the fat and stop diverting what is essentially a user fee to fund entitlements.

Frankly I'm tired of pensions and lavish health care programs being used to buy Democrats' votes.
Get rid of all of them--EVERY govt. worker whether federal, state or local, and EVERY union member, from the rank & file to the top, should have the same insurance options as the rest of us. I'm kind of sorry he no longer posts here but I actually agree with Jeff on this: it's past time to get employers out of the insurance business. They already do the govt. book keeping by collecting payroll, SS & FICA taxes for the govt., why should they be expected to pay for insurance?



From what I understand, because tax on fuel in most states and through the feds is a given amount per gallon. The bad economy coupled with high fuel costs is responsible for my state's gas tax revenues taking a huge hit because people have limited their driving, or so they tell me... The last couple of winters have been really severe and there has been a huge amount of damage to our roads. The repairs are just not happening because of our bad fiscal situation. Many of our gravel roads are almost impassible even with a 4wd truck after it rains. Bridge repairs? Forget about it...

I kinda think it's class warfare to be upset that government workers have benefits when the rest of us are losing them. I guess it's human nature to want to take everyone down with the ship instead of being ticked off that the ship is sinking.

I too agree that it's time to get employers out of the insurance business, but I have a vested interest. We have a small business and keeping everyone in health insurance costs us a bloody fortune and those costs have skyrocketed over the last 10 years. I like the idea of single payer, medicare for everyone - funded by everyone, the burden removed from business.

And don't worry, business is getting out of the insurance business, it's been happening for awhile now. The net result is that those still providing benefits are paying more partly to pay for those who get sick, have no coverage, and get treated anyway. See below:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/09/14/opinion/091411krugman4/091411krugman4-blog480.jpg

Terri
09-15-2011, 04:48 PM
Fixing roads & bridges shouldn't need any stimulas money. Everyone pays through the ying yang via gas taxes which are supposed to be used for federal transportation projects so what's needed is to trim the fat and stop diverting what is essentially a user fee to fund entitlements.

Frankly I'm tired of pensions and lavish health care programs being used to buy Democrats' votes.
Get rid of all of them--EVERY govt. worker whether federal, state or local, and EVERY union member, from the rank & file to the top, should have the same insurance options as the rest of us. I'm kind of sorry he no longer posts here but I actually agree with Jeff on this: it's past time to get employers out of the insurance business. They already do the govt. book keeping by collecting payroll, SS & FICA taxes for the govt., why should they be expected to pay for insurance?




This is why so many government workers vote for the democrats. On the one hand you have some one who wants you to loss your job and on the other you have a guy that spends too much money, but does not want to make you jobless. Who would you vote for in the next election if you were a government employee? Seems the politicians are real good at putting all the blame on the workers instead of admitting they suck at contract negotiations.

I've been in a construction family my whole life. My dad was an Operating Engineer and my husband is a Civil Engineer. My dad use to tease my husband when he did his rotation out in the field. Better keep a good eye out on the contractor and the workers because they all like to water down the concrete to many more money and more jobs for themselves. My dad told us they do this all the time and it is up to the young (state employee) Civil Engineer to make sure it does not happen. The state hires engineers to over see the jobs that private contractors bid on. The job goes to the lowest bid. So the contractor had to bid low to get the job and now he has to come up with ways to make a profit and also more projects to keep the guys working. He is a for profit guy and since everyone wants every thing for cheap he plays the game to feed his family and the families of his crew. He knows this is how the game is played and besides the state takes all responsibility for the job. Who do you think gets sued if some gets hurt on the streets and bridges in this country due to poor workmanship? The state, on state road ways. The reason is because the state is not going to go out of business before a claim of neglect can even be filed in court. The contractor might not be around come next year. My husband is a specialist is soil and foundation (masters degree). He makes sure that in the planning phase of the job no corners are cut by low bid contractors. Do you want the bridge to be built on a fault line or on sinking soil? He makes sure this does not happen. In areas where fault lines are close he makes sure that the safest bridge will be built based on the soil conditions. There are other specialist that look at other areas of the construction of the bridge. Most jobs are contracted out, even though the state has engineers. Why? Because the public think it is cheaper this way. So when it comes to building a bridge or highways it is a joint project between the state and the private sector. Do you really believe the contractor who offers his employees benefits did not figure that into the cost of the job? I know he did because my mom is getting a pension and her health benefits from my dad's years of service.

There is a difference between smaller government (which is what my family believes in) and no government (which cause a lot of problems - lawlessness). How many other people think we would have no problems in this country if all the government workers were fired? Help me decide if my husband is really the fool his co workers think he is for voting Republican.

Thanks,

Terri

Gerry Clinchy
09-15-2011, 07:12 PM
Julie, I think that Buzz has a point about the hard winters and lower revenues from gas tax. Also believe that some of those transportation funds end up going to mass transportation funding.

The geniuses, though, talked about fixing roads and bridges & had no idea the lead time on projects that may have needed doing.

I will say there is going to be a LOT of bridge fixing and road fixing where the flooding took place here in PA. Some in the worst areas had roads and bridges literally washed away.