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BonMallari
10-19-2011, 02:55 AM
I watched the debate, not one but twice...both times on replay because I was watching the ESPN special on Charismatic/ Chris Antley, and then the Gene Simmons -Shannon Tweed Royal Rock wedding episodes..

here is my take :

1. the rift between Romney and Perry is getting downright nasty, no good can come out of it...Romney looks like he is trying to be the bigger man,and Perry is coming across as a real jackazzz

2. Gingrich showed his usual statesmanship, and delivers a good message

3. Cain seemed like there were other places he would rather be, and is glib and likeable,but didnt do anything outstanding

4. Ron Paul did nothing to impress and taking a shot at Reagan and Iran-Contra will not endear him to reaganconservatives

5. Santorum is trying so hard to get into the fight, but is nothing more than a nuisance

6. Bachmann is getting obnoxious and has shown she lacks depth,its almost like she is taking the rehashed Palin playbook, but she doesnt come across as sincere or warm...she scares me when she tries to appeal to the female soccer mom crowd


Newt said it best when he stated that the bickering must end...afraid he is correct...as the candidates do nothing but injure each other,they tend to forget that they need to attack BHO, not each other...I dont think any of the candidates made you change your mind...

Anderson Cooper is a poor moderator and lost control of the debate early on

Franco
10-19-2011, 07:24 AM
I thought for sure that Perry was going to punch Romney when Romney placed his hand on Perry's shoulder. Perry scored points with his commnet about defunding the UN. I kind of like Perry now that he is out of contention;-)

Gingrich kind of stole the show and delivered the most wit during the debate. Ron Paul got the loudest applause of the night with his comment on Foreign Aide. His comment about Iran-Contra had to do with the question of, 'should we negociate with terrorist". Bachmann is just taking up time tht could devoted to another candidate and Santorum is one gutsy candidate who called out Perry and Romney for not telling the truth.

M&K's Retrievers
10-19-2011, 08:54 AM
Bon, I'm afraid you are right. If Obama were smart, he would keep his mouth shut and let the GOP candidates chew each other up.

Rhomney reminds me of Obama with his smugness and arrogance. A Rhino whose true colors wll be seen if elected.

Perry is the classroom bully who may have good ideas but can't articulate them so he would rather fight.

Gingrich is the class nerd. Truly the the sharpest knife in the drawer in some areas and the dumbest in others. Just maybe more obstinate than Rhomney.

Paul still comes across as a grumpy old man whose extreme conservationism scares many. Unelectable more because of age than ideas.

Cain talks a good story but I'm not a fan of 9-9-9. Not yet anyway. I like no prior political experience but then again??

Santorum is Arnold Horshack trying to get someone's attention. May have a good message but who's listening.

Bachman just may be as obnoxious as Palen when trying to get her point across.

Hopefully (fortunately?) Obama's ego and arrogance will keep his mouth in motion further proving his socialist views and inability to preform the job.

road kill
10-19-2011, 09:00 AM
It is clear the media and other left leaning groups have again chosen the candidate for the Republicans.
It will be difficult if not impossible for anyone to surpass Romney.

He is not my first choice, but it is out of our hands now.

I also see that Romney and Bachman seem to be working in harmony, anyone else notice this??


RK

BonMallari
10-19-2011, 09:50 AM
It is clear the media and other left leaning groups have again chosen the candidate for the Republicans.
It will be difficult if not impossible for anyone to surpass Romney.

He is not my first choice, but it is out of our hands now.

I also see that Romney and Bachman seem to be working in harmony, anyone else notice this??


RK

Romney is not my first choice either...would I support him, absolutely..Disagree with you on it being out of our hands...its all up to us, the vote is the great equalizer to advertising,slick ads and packaged candidates....

not sure where you see the Bachmann harmony angle...she is lost, a one trick pony, and we have seen all the tricks that pony knows....its getting old and tiresome..I hate to admit this but I had hoped she was a better version of Palin, but she is worse,much worse. her voice is shrill,her continuous rant about her being drastically different that the current POTUS, her I,I, I, is annoying...makes me want to hit the mute button or change the channel..she is grasping at straws

huntinman
10-19-2011, 10:54 AM
It's too soon to count Perry or Cain out. Last time McCain was on life support a year before the election. Most were sure he was toast. Unfortunately, he allowed the others to beat each other up and he slid between the cracks. Anything can happen... we haven't even had the first primary. The candidates sure fell for Anderson Cooper's setups last night though, even Newt which surprised me.

mjh345
10-19-2011, 06:09 PM
Bon, I'm afraid you are right. If Obama were smart, he would keep his mouth shut and let the GOP candidates chew each other up.

Rhomney reminds me of Obama with his smugness and arrogance. A Rhino whose true colors wll be seen if elected.

Perry is the classroom bully who may have good ideas but can't articulate them so he would rather fight.

Gingrich is the class nerd. Truly the the sharpest knife in the drawer in some areas and the dumbest in others. Just maybe more obstinate than Rhomney.

Paul still comes across as a grumpy old man whose extreme conservationism scares many. Unelectable more because of age than ideas.

Cain talks a good story but I'm not a fan of 9-9-9. Not yet anyway. I like no prior political experience but then again??

Santorum is Arnold Horshack trying to get someone's attention. May have a good message but who's listening.

Bachman just may be as obnoxious as Palen when trying to get her point across.

Hopefully (fortunately?) Obama's ego and arrogance will keep his mouth in motion further proving his socialist views and inability to preform the job.

Sad to say but I think Mike's nutshell synopsis is scarily way too accurate. These clowns better shape up or we may be doomed to 4 more years of Obama

JDogger
10-19-2011, 09:17 PM
Glad you titled this thread the Nevada debate. Had you titled it the Nevada GOP Presidential Candidate Debate, you might have been wrong on more than one point.

For sure it was in Nevada, for sure it was the GOP, but it was neither Presidential nor a debate.

I am a Dem and a lib. My dissatisfaction with Obama has brought me to the place were I would accept a viable GOP candidate, if I could believe that they were trully interested in what was best for our country...

Sadly, I cannot.

...but I like popcorn and we're just getting started. Before it's over we'll see a resurgence of PP and maybe a couple of banishments, if not a reclosure. Eh? JD

M&K's Retrievers
10-19-2011, 09:42 PM
Glad you titled this thread the Nevada debate. Had you titled it the Nevada GOP Presidential Candidate Debate, you might have been wrong on more than one point.

For sure it was in Nevada, for sure it was the GOP, but it was neither Presidential nor a debate.

I am a Dem and a lib. My dissatisfaction with Obama has brought me to the place were I would accept a viable GOP candidate, if I could believe that they were trully interested in what was best for our country...

Sadly, I cannot.

...but I like popcorn and we're just getting started. Before it's over we'll see a resurgence of PP and maybe a couple of banishments, if not a reclosure. Eh? JD

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone-GOP, Ind or DEM- running for public office is interested in what is best for our country. They are only interested in what is good for them. This will not change until we have term limits, reasonable salaries and benefits while requiring elected officials to live according to the same rules that everyone else does. Get elected, do your duty, get out and get a job. Elected officials and the system that allows them to pad their asses is one of the biggest problems in this country.

Foxes guarding the hen house regards,

Gerry Clinchy
10-19-2011, 11:05 PM
Have to agree with most of the summaries given.

Romney, Perry and Santorum were really bad in their lack of decorum with their talking over others.

There was some common ground among them ...

I'd really like to see Gingrich as a VP candidate ... just to get to watch him debate Joe Biden! The same Joe Biden who's stumping around telling people if they don't pass the jobs bill crime will be rampant.

Came across a website that is kind of interesting: www.Nerds4Cain.com (http://www.Nerds4Cain.com) Does some calculations on the 999 impact. It's not officially connected with Cain (and mentions that in several places). It's more like a blog.

Cody Covey
10-20-2011, 01:06 PM
Have to agree with most of the summaries given.

Romney, Perry and Santorum were really bad in their lack of decorum with their talking over others.

There was some common ground among them ...

I'd really like to see Gingrich as a VP candidate ... just to get to watch him debate Joe Biden! The same Joe Biden who's stumping around telling people if they don't pass the jobs bill crime will be rampant.

Came across a website that is kind of interesting: www.Nerds4Cain.com (http://www.Nerds4Cain.com) Does some calculations on the 999 impact. It's not officially connected with Cain (and mentions that in several places). It's more like a blog.
Biden's comments are actually worse than that....he is saying crime that has already happened was because Republicans didn't pass a bill....a bill that didn't pass the same day that democrats also didn't vote for....

Uncle Bill
10-20-2011, 04:37 PM
It's my hope that Biden continues his rants. Never before have we had such a mental midget in that position of authority. Just consider the amusement he supplies. Besides, he's only talking to the unionista choirs in those democratic states he's still allowed into.

And it's nice to see Moochschelle on the campaign circuit as well. The only real concern a conservative has is...if we lose this one, we HAVE become a Greece. Then all that will be left to do is hug your babies and grandkids...you have lost this nation to the SFN crowd, and the demise will be much quicker than the Roman Empire.

UB

Gerry Clinchy
10-21-2011, 10:10 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/senate-votes-down-trimmed-version-obamas-jobs-bill/




Thursday's $35 billion measure combined $30 billion for state and local governments to hire teachers and other school workers with $5 billion to help pay the salaries of police officers, firefighters and other first responders. The White House says the measure would "support" almost 400,000 education jobs for one year. Republicans call that a temporary "sugar high" for the economy.


One year! Explain to me again, Joe(Biden), how this is going to work out differently than the $787 billion that's already been spent?

Our school population decreases, and we hire more teachers, to turn out the same results of kids who can't spell, write, speak, or add? And the schools use this money to fill gaps ... temporarily ... in their budgets that should be remedied by spending cuts and serious improvements to the quality of the education being provided for the $ spent. This fits well into "do the same things; get the same results."

And this $30 billion now in "preserving" teaching jobs: how will it impact the pension costs of these school districts over the long haul?

The President says getting out of this "recession" will take "time" ... so how does "fixing" something for one year make any sense in that context?

$30 billion could fix a lot of bridges ... maybe some math teachers could help do that?

kjrice
10-21-2011, 10:36 AM
It's my hope that Biden continues his rants. Never before have we had such a mental midget in that position of authority. Just consider the amusement he supplies. Besides, he's only talking to the unionista choirs in those democratic states he's still allowed into.

And it's nice to see Moochschelle on the campaign circuit as well. The only real concern a conservative has is...if we lose this one, we HAVE become a Greece. Then all that will be left to do is hug your babies and grandkids...you have lost this nation to the SFN crowd, and the demise will be much quicker than the Roman Empire.

UB

Maybe the voters of such a fraud? :p:p:p

road kill
10-21-2011, 10:38 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/senate-votes-down-trimmed-version-obamas-jobs-bill/

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One year! Explain to me again, Joe(Biden), how this is going to work out differently than the $787 billion that's already been spent?

Our school population decreases, and we hire more teachers, to turn out the same results of kids who can't spell, write, speak, or add? And the schools use this money to fill gaps ... temporarily ... in their budgets that should be remedied by spending cuts and serious improvements to the quality of the education being provided for the $ spent. This fits well into "do the same things; get the same results."

And this $30 billion now in "preserving" teaching jobs: how will it impact the pension costs of these school districts over the long haul?

The President says getting out of this "recession" will take "time" ... so how does "fixing" something for one year make any sense in that context?

$30 billion could fix a lot of bridges ... maybe some math teachers could help do that?


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Here is the deal on the teachers unions.

Feds take YOUR money (taxes) and pay teachers salaries (directly or indirectly), then teachers are forced to join the union and pay dues, dues are sent to Democrat party.

Seems fair.

NO MORE in WI!!!

Thank you Governor Walker!!!!:D


RK

Gerry Clinchy
10-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Occurs to me that in PA the worst-performing schools (the worst are Harrisburg, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh), also have the highest rates of violence, along with the lowest proficiency levels in math and reading.

Maybe we should take $30 billion and pay for more police in those schools, not more teachers in those schools?