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M&K's Retrievers
10-28-2011, 05:52 PM
Holder has agreed to testify on Fast and Furious on December 8th. Ya think he needs another 6 weeks in addition to all the time he has already had to get his shat together or will it take that long to hide stuff?

Ducks in a row regards,

BonMallari
10-28-2011, 06:02 PM
the administration in in a full four corners offense,they control any Senate Judiciary committe , and they dont want to take attention away from the Pass this Now and the re election campaign..Issa is keeping up the pressure from the House, but there is very little help from the Senate....unless the republicans get a "deep throat" type of informant, they wont be able to nail Holder's hide to the barn door

Gerry Clinchy
12-08-2011, 01:42 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/08/holder-suggests-fast-and-furious-guns-will-be-used-in-crimes-for-years-to-come/

Okay, it's Fox News, but quotes are quotes:




"Although the department has taken steps to ensure that such tactics are never used again, it is an unfortunate reality that we will continue to feel the effects of this flawed operation for years to come," he said. "Guns lost during this operation will continue to show up at crime scenes on both sides of the border."
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that department heads were not aware of the program early on.
"The documents produced to date also belie the remarkable notion that this operation was conceived by department leaders, as some have claimed," Holder said. "It is my understanding that department leaders were not informed about the inappropriate tactics employed in this operation until those tactics were made public and, as is customary, turned to those with supervisory responsibility over the operation in an effort to learn the facts."


How come the guys with a conscience, the whistle-blowers, were shoved off to oblivion, and NOBODY who WAS responsible suffered any consequences? One of the local supervisors who CERTAINLY should have known what was going on was promoted to a post in DC. C'mon, Holder, this is pure hogwash.



"We cannot afford to allow the tragic mistakes of 'Operation Fast and Furious' to become a political sideshow or a series of media opportunities," he said. "Instead, we must move forward and recommit ourselves to our shared public safety obligations."

He used the occasion to prod Congress to support efforts to give the Justice Department broader legal tools to track firearms purchases.


Oh, great! The tools were there; the geniuses ignored the pleas of their own people & the store owners to use them, so they should be given more tools? Great logic!



Despite the controversy over the inaccurate February letter from Justice, Holder also stated: "Nobody in the Justice Department has lied."


He really expects people to believe that? Ego? Narcicissm? He's smoking something stronger than tobacco.

Gerry Clinchy
12-15-2011, 06:24 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/15/as-predicted-fast-and-furious-scandal-gives-rise-to-gun-regulation-debate/




Now, newly revealed emails suggest that if the gun-running operation didn't start out with that intent, as administration officials insist, the program certainly led to discussions on new gun regulations.


Holder states:



"Clearly, an attempt to use Fast and Furious as a way to bolster the request for that long-gun regulation would have been foolhardy," he told the House Judiciary Committee last week.


However, once they got started on the operation, the idea began to develop:


On July 14, 2010, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/politics/bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco-firearms-and-explosives.htm#r_src=ramp) Assistant Director Mark Chait asked then-ATF Phoenix Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell "if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long-gun multiple sales."
On Jan. 4, 2011, Newell apparently saw the opportunity to publicly push for the new gun regulation. The Fast and Furious news conference provides "another time to address multiple sale on long guns issue," he wrote Chait.

A day after that news conference, Chait replied in an email: "Bill -- well done yesterday ... in light of our request for demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."


Holder puts this spin on it:


The attorney general also criticized Congress for opposing this long gun registry.

"Earlier this year, the House of Representatives actually voted to keep law enforcement in the dark when individuals purchase semi-automatic rifles and shotguns in Southwest border gun shops," Holder said. "Providing law enforcement with the tools to detect and to disrupt illegal gun trafficking is entirely consistent with the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens."



In 2009, the State Department approved sales of 18,709 weapons to Mexico, almost 10 times the number sold to illegal straw buyers in Fast and Furious, and more guns than the U.S. sold to either Afghanistan (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/afghanistan.htm#r_src=ramp) or Iraq (http://www.foxnews.com/topics/iraq.htm#r_src=ramp). That number includes $20 million in semi- and fully-automatic weapons


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Holder is really a piece of work.

road kill
12-16-2011, 12:25 PM
KUHNER: Obamaís Watergate
Officials Cover up Culpability for Gun Smuggling and Murder
By Jeffrey T. Kuhner
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The Washington Times
Thursday, December 15, 2011

A year ago this week, U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. He died protecting his country from brutal Mexican gangsters. Two AK-47 assault rifles were found at his death site. We now know the horrifying truth: Agent Terry was killed by weapons that were part of an illegal Obama administration operation to smuggle arms to the dangerous drug cartels. He was a victim of his own government. This is not only a major scandal; it is a high crime that potentially reaches all the way to the White House, implicating senior officials. It is President Obamaís Watergate.

Operation Fast and Furious was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and overseen by the Justice Department. It started under the leadership of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. Fast and Furious enabled straw gun purchases from licensed dealers in Arizona, in which more than 2,000 weapons were smuggled to Mexican drug kingpins. ATF claims it was seeking to track the weapons as part of a larger crackdown on the growing violence in the Southwest. Instead, ATF effectively has armed murderous gangs. About 300 Mexicans have been killed by Fast and Furious weapons. More than 1,400 guns remain lost. Agent Terry likely will not be the last U.S. casualty.

Mr. Holder insists he was unaware of what took place until after media reports of the scandal appeared in early 2011. This is false. Such a vast operation only could have occurred with the full knowledge and consent of senior administration officials. Massive gun-running and smuggling is not carried out by low-level ATF bureaucrats unless there is authorization from the top. There is a systematic cover-up.

Congressional Republicans, however, are beginning to shed light on the scandal. Led by Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa and Rep. Darrell Issa of California, a congressional probe is exposing the Justice Departmentís rampant criminality and deliberate stonewalling. Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, who heads the departmentís criminal division, helped craft a February letter to Congress that denied ATF had ever walked guns into Mexico. Yet, under pressure from congressional investigators, the department later admitted that Mr. Breuer knew about ATF gun-smuggling as far back as April 2010. In other words, Mr. Breuer has been misleading Congress. He should resign - or be fired.

Instead, Mr. Holder tenaciously insists that Mr. Breuer will keep his job. He needs to keep his friends close and potential witnesses even closer. Another example is former acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson. Internal documents show Mr. Melson directly oversaw Fast and Furious, including monitoring numerous straw purchases of AK-47s. He has admitted to congressional investigators that he, along with high-ranking ATF leaders, reassigned every ďmanager involved in Fast and FuriousĒ after the scandal surfaced on Capitol Hill and in the press. Mr. Melson said he was ordered by senior Justice officials to be silent regarding the reassignments. Hence, ATF managers who possess intimate and damaging information - especially on the role of the Justice Department - essentially have been promoted to cushy bureaucratic jobs. Their silence has been bought, their complicity swept under the rug. Mr. Melson has been transferred to Justiceís main office, where he serves as a ďsenior adviserĒ on forensic science in the departmentís Office of Legal Policy. Rather than being punished, Mr. Melson has been rewarded for his incompetence and criminal negligence.

Mr. Holder and his aides have given misleading, false and contradictory testimony on Capitol Hill. Perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power - these are high crimes and misdemeanors. Mr. Holder should be impeached. Like most liberals, he is playing the victim card, claiming Mr. Issa is a modern-day Joseph McCarthy conducting a judicial witch hunt. Regardless of this petty smear, Mr. Holder must be held responsible and accountable - not only for the botched operation, but for his flagrant attempts to deflect blame from the administration.

Mr. Holder is a shameless careerist and a ruthless Beltway operative. For years, his out-of-control Justice Department has violated the fundamental principle of our democracy, the rule of law. He has refused to prosecute members of the New Black Panthers for blatant voter intimidation that took place in the 2008 election. Career Justice lawyers have confessed publicly that Mr. Holder will not pursue cases in which the perpetrators are black and the victims white. States such as Arizona and Alabama are being sued for simply attempting to enforce federal immigration laws. Mr. Holder also opposes voter identification cards, thereby enabling fraud and vote-stealing at the ballot box. What else can we expect from one who, during the Clinton administration, helped pardon notorious tax cheat Marc Rich and Puerto Rican terrorists?

Mr. Holder clearly knew about Fast and Furious and did nothing to stop it. This is because the administration wanted to use the excuse of increased violence on the border and weapons-smuggling into Mexico to justify tighter gun-control legislation. Mr. Holder is fighting ferociously to prevent important internal Justice documents from falling into the hands of congressional investigators. If the full nature of his involvement is discovered, the Obama presidency will be in peril.

Fast and Furious is even worse than Watergate for one simple reason: No one died because of President Nixonís political dirty tricks and abuse of government power. But Brian Terry is dead; and there are still 1,500 missing guns threatening still more lives.

What did Mr. Obama know? Massive gun-smuggling by the U.S. government into a foreign country does not happen without the explicit knowledge and approval of leading administration officials. Itís too big, too risky and too costly. Mr. Holder may not be protecting just himself and his cronies. Is he protecting the president?

Jeffrey T. Kuhner is a columnist at The Washington Times and president of the Edmund Burke Institute.


This scumbag needs to go.


RK

M&K's Retrievers
12-16-2011, 11:36 PM
This scumbag needs to go.


RK

And the horse he rode in on.

Gerry Clinchy
01-20-2012, 11:22 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/20/federal-official-in-arizona-to-plead-fifth-and-not-answer-questions-on-furious/?test=latestnews

Uh-oh ... the first crack in the stone wall?




This schism is the first big break in what has been a unified front in the government’s defense of itself in the gun-running scandal. Cunningham claims he is a victim of a conflict between two branches of government and will not be compelled to be a witnesses against himself, and make a statement that could be later used by a grand jury or special prosecutor to indict him on criminal charges.




Romero claims Cunningham did nothing wrong and acted in good faith, but the Department of Justice in Washington is making him the fall guy, claiming he failed to accurately provide the Oversight Committee with information on the execution of Fast and Furious.




The letter from Cunningham’s Washington DC attorney (http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2012/01/20/letter-from-patrick-cunninghams-attorney/) stunned congressional staff. Last week, Cunningham, the second highest ranking U.S. Attorney in Arizona, was scheduled to appear before Issa‘s committee voluntarily. Then, he declined and Issa issued a subpoena.






“Department of Justice officials have reported to the Committee that my client relayed inaccurate information to the Department upon which it relied in preparing its initial response to Congress. If, as you claim, Department officials have blamed my client, they have blamed him unfairly,” the letter to Issa says.

Gerry Clinchy
01-31-2012, 05:48 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2012/01/31/contempt-threat-letter-from-issa-to-holder/

Issa's not happy with Holder. This is the text of his letter to Holder dated 1/31/12, which threatens to hold DOJ in contempt of Congress.

Same day Dems issue the results of their investigation saying that the bad guys were the local ATF people in AZ who approved the bad stuff and didn't tell the fellas in DC what they were doing. And somebody was just reading the "summary cover sheet" on reports of operations, so didn't see the bad stuff.

The more layers of bureaucracy there are, the easier it is for each bureaucrat to blame stuff on somebody else.

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2012, 10:46 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/#content

This has to be unconscionable. At the very least Holder and/or other high-ups in his DOJ are incompetent; and there should be at least a few along the way that should end up in jail.

This is the same guy who is concerned about the Constitutional rights of Gitmo prisoners, but doesn't get flustered when a law enforcement officer has his right to life taken totally away by the incompetent actions of his own department.




No one has been punished "yet," Attorney General Eric Holder said Thursday in a contentious hearing ...




But Holder's statements on the Justice Department's role in the operation did not sit well with Republican lawmakers (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/#) on the committee, who accused the attorney general of intentionally withholding key documents in the case.

"The conclusion that I come to is there are some things in there that's being hidden that you don't want us to see," said Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind. "We have every right under the Constitution to check on what you're doing... So for you to deny this committee anything like that is just dead wrong and I don't think you're going to find any way that you can do it."




Holder told the committee, "I’m not sure exactly how I found out about the term, 'Fast and Furious.' " (Geez!)He testified that he never authorized the controversial tactics employed in the operation.

menmon
02-02-2012, 11:22 AM
Tragic that an officer of the law was killed! Please remove the politics from it.

I'm sure the cartel would have killed him with a gun acquired somewhere else too.

I'm sure the President nor did the Attorney General lead this effort either.

Now I'm sure senior federal officers were aware of it, but I'm sure they were trying to catch bad guys, not get one of their own killed.

Everything is polarized by politics....the politics of the new millennium, pile as much sh#t on your opponent as you can and hopefully it will make him stink, does not matter if it is true.

Now having said this, I'm not impressed by Holder and I would like the president to replace him, but letís keep it real!

road kill
02-02-2012, 11:32 AM
Tragic that an officer of the law was killed! Please remove the politics from it.

I'm sure the cartel would have killed him with a gun acquired somewhere else too.

I'm sure the President nor did the Attorney General lead this effort either.

Now I'm sure senior federal officers were aware of it, but I'm sure they were trying to catch bad guys, not get one of their own killed.

Everything is polarized by politics....the politics of the new millennium, pile as much sh#t on your opponent as you can and hopefully it will make him stink, does not matter if it is true.

Now having said this, I'm not impressed by Holder and I would like the president to replace him, but letís keep it real!
A very famous Democrat once said "the buck stops here!"

Holder is responsible for his people.
Somebody came up with this half baked idea.
Somebody approved it.
Unless the department is just running wild unsupervised???

Either way, this fiasco lays at the feet of Eric Holder, an ideologue if ever there was one.
He should be dismissed.

Your main reason for rising to his defense is based on ideology and politics.
Yet you chastise others for the same.

Is it lunchtime yet??


RK

HPL
02-02-2012, 11:46 AM
A very famous Democrat once said "the buck stops here!" RK


BINGO!!! I was wondering when someone would point that out.

HPL

menmon
02-02-2012, 11:48 AM
A very famous Democrat once said "the buck stops here!"

Holder is responsible for his people.
Somebody came up with this half baked idea.
Somebody approved it.
Unless the department is just running wild unsupervised???

Either way, this fiasco lays at the feet of Eric Holder, an ideologue if ever there was one.
He should be dismissed.

Your main reason for rising to his defense is based on ideology and politics.
Yet you chastise others for the same.

Is it lunchtime yet??


RK

Leaving for Papositos!

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2012, 12:02 PM
Sambo, how can you be so sure of so many things? I'd just like to have the facts.


Everything is polarized by politics....the politics of the new millennium, pile as much sh#t on your opponent as you can and hopefully it will make him stink, does not matter if it is true.


Did I mention politics? I only mentioned Holder's positions on legal matters based on his position as AG.

If we are not allowed to have a negative opinion on anyone in a President's administration (this President or any other President), what are we coming to?

And the fact remains that Holder is the one responsible for his department, most especially when it comes to literally authorizing an illegal activity.

road kill
02-02-2012, 01:09 PM
A very famous Democrat once said "the buck stops here!"

Holder is responsible for his people.
Somebody came up with this half baked idea.
Somebody approved it.
Unless the department is just running wild unsupervised???

Either way, this fiasco lays at the feet of Eric Holder, an ideologue if ever there was one.
He should be dismissed.

Your main reason for rising to his defense is based on ideology and politics.
Yet you chastise others for the same.

Is it lunchtime yet??


RK

BTW---It's been 3 years now and NOONE in this administration has assumed responsibility for anything.
Plenty of blaming though.

In a nutshell this administration when there is credit to be given, takes it and when there is blame to be taken, they give it.

To assume the death of an American citizen is OK because it would have happened anyway is absolute absurditiy.


RK

menmon
02-02-2012, 01:30 PM
BTW---It's been 3 years now and NOONE in this administration has assumed responsibility for anything.
Plenty of blaming though.

In a nutshell this administration when there is credit to be given, takes it and when there is blame to be taken, they give it.

To assume the death of an American citizen is OK because it would have happened anyway is absolute absurditiy.


RK

Death of an American citizen is never ok, and many have lost their lives in this drug war. Nor was it ok to lose the countless lives that have been lost in other wars.

What is not right is using this man's life to further your war against Obama. I don't like it when the democrats stoop this low to further their agenda either.

I'm sick of this type of politics. If Obama was a bad man and bad for this country, I would be the first to say it. But he isn't and has done a good job in a difficult time. Could others have done better...maybe, but they could have done much worse too.

99% of the information out their is unreliable, and crafted to move an agenda either good or bad. I know this is too much to ask, but why can't we just support our elected officials no matter what party with the hope they have our best interest at heart. Having said that, they are all bought and paid for and you and I know that the guy giving countless dollars to their campaign is going to get his way, and he is spending it to get legislation passed that makes him money.

Ok I have had my moment of idealism. The reality is this post is agenda moving, and it is the soup of the day of what Beck and others are serving:rolleyes:

road kill
02-02-2012, 01:34 PM
Death of an American citizen is never ok, and many have lost their lives in this drug war. Nor was it ok to lose the countless lives that have been lost in other wars.

What is not right is using this man's life to further your war against Obama. I don't like it when the democrats stoop this low to further their agenda either.

I'm sick of this type of politics. If Obama was a bad man and bad for this country, I would be the first to say it. But he isn't and has done a good job in a difficult time. Could others have done better...maybe, but they could have done much worse too.

99% of the information out their is unreliable, and crafted to move an agenda either good or bad. I know this is too much to ask, but why can't we just support our elected officials no matter what party with the hope they have our best interest at heart. Having said that, they are all bought and paid for and you and I know that the guy giving countless dollars to their campaign is going to get his way, and he is spending it to get legislation passed that makes him money.

Ok I have had my moment of idealism. The reality is this post is agenda moving, and it is the soup of the day of what Beck and others are serving:rolleyes:


I'm sure the cartel would have killed him with a gun acquired somewhere else too.
Sounds like a rationalization & an excuse to me??
__________________________________________________ ___________

If I am not mistaken (and I am not) this thread is about Eric Holder, an appointee of President Obama.


When does someone take responsibilty here??

Is Holder in charge, or are these guys just running wild?

Pretty simple question.
Doubtful I will see an honest answer.


RK

menmon
02-02-2012, 01:55 PM
Sounds like a rationalization & an excuse to me??
__________________________________________________ ___________

If I am not mistaken (and I am not) this thread is about Eric Holder, an appointee of President Obama.


When does someone take responsibilty here??

Is Holder in charge, or are these guys just running wild?

Pretty simple question.
Doubtful I will see an honest answer.


RK

I said I don't like Holder...I think he is weak. But to say that Obama/Holder is responsible for this is not correct. There have probablly been countless other stings such as this that have worked and not worked, but this one is highlighted to move an agenda against the president by saying his appointee is bad, therefore he makes bad decisions.

The AG is not a frontline person...he is a glorified administrator, who's main focus is budgets and a spokesperson for the the Department of Justice. They don't appoint these guys for their cleverness in the field.

Eric Johnson
02-02-2012, 01:56 PM
I would defer to the book by J. Christian Adams entitled _Injustice:Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department_.

Holder is the most political Attorney General in memory. John Mitchell comes to mind but he was personally political in his support of Nixon and resigned to head the re-election campaign. He didn't use the office. Holder has turned the Dept of Justice so political that is may be very difficult to repair the damage.

Eric

road kill
02-02-2012, 01:58 PM
I said I don't like Holder...I think he is weak. But to say that Obama/Holder is responsible for this is not correct. There have probablly been countless other stings such as this that have worked and not worked, but this one is highlighted to move an agenda against the president by saying his appointee is bad, therefore he makes bad decisions.

The AG is not a frontline person...he is a glorified administrator, who's main focus is budgets and a spokesperson for the the Department of Justice. They don't appoint these guys for their cleverness in the field.
So, noone is responsible in your mind??
And even if they were, it's OK cause other bad stuff was done??


Interesting.


RK

menmon
02-02-2012, 02:19 PM
So, noone is responsible in your mind??
And even if they were, it's OK cause other bad stuff was done??


Interesting.


RK

It is easy to say someone screwed up after the fact. Had it worked very sucessful, we would not be talking about it now. You can argue just because something worked out it does not mean it is right.

So again I take you back to agenda....this is intended to make Obama look bad...not change the way ATF, DEA, FBI work.

I'm sure it will hurt careers of people that were just doing their job.

Kinda like the Marines that pissed on their dead. I'm sure this is not the first time, just the first time someone filmed it. Looks distastful and the government has to save face, so heads have to roll. I do like the fact that Holder is standing up for his guy, a lot easier to punt blame but does not make it right.

Jason Glavich
02-02-2012, 02:43 PM
I said I don't like Holder...I think he is weak. But to say that Obama/Holder is responsible for this is not correct. There have probablly been countless other stings such as this that have worked and not worked, but this one is highlighted to move an agenda against the president by saying his appointee is bad, therefore he makes bad decisions.

The AG is not a frontline person...he is a glorified administrator, who's main focus is budgets and a spokesperson for the the Department of Justice. They don't appoint these guys for their cleverness in the field.

I have to say that the one who appointed him is to blame. The people who work for you are your responsibilty as well as their actions are a direct reflection of you.

For example, I was getting out of the USMC everything was going smooth or so it seemed. i asked all the questions and was assured everything was going correctly. When the day came it was all wrong, well not all wrong but not finished. I filed a complaint, now that I was filing a complaint who do I file it against, the low E3 who thought he did it right or the CWO3 who was the Officer in charge. I chose the CWO3, why because it was ultimately their responsibilty to ensure their people do their job the right way without violating any laws. Which yes there are laws and directives about processing service members from service. When they were approached about it, they were angry that i would dare say it was their fault. We had a sit down chat and they said they could not be held accountable for the actions of their Marines, they were quickly corrected. They were punished for running the office improperly, and after a quick look it was happening a lot but not reported because people had left the area and just thought things were slow in the mail in reality they just were not doing their job. Instead the office was taking fridays off and having family fun days instead of finishing thier job.

My point is, the highest up takes the fall for either A) Not knowing what his personnel are doing or B) Because they knew and did not care or say anything.

If you appoint someone it is because they have your and the countries best interest at the front of their goals. Holder like many of BHO's appointees do not have the USA's interests at the front. This goes across the board, not just BHO and his appointees, all former POTUS have made mistakes and yes I mean all. The downside is this is 2012 and media is everywhere, and when an American is killed by one of these guns, someone is to blame, and it isn't the lowest guy. It is the one at the top who knew about it, or the one at the top who failed to know about it, usually the same guy.

Also delaying to get your words correct do not help when the media can convict you in the time you take to prepare, whether you are guilty or not.

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2012, 06:39 PM
I'm sure it will hurt careers of people that were just doing their job.


Actually, so far, the only one who got hurt was the guy who blew the whistle. He was re-assigned to East Gibip somewhere.

If it "hurts the careers" of people "just doing their job", maybe that is appropriate?


The AG is not a frontline person...he is a glorified administrator, who's main focus is budgets and a spokesperson for the the Department of Justice. They don't appoint these guys for their cleverness in the field.

With the power they wield, you need a better excuse than this.


why can't we just support our elected officials no matter what party with the hope they have our best interest at heart. Having said that, they are all bought and paid for and you and I know that the guy giving countless dollars to their campaign is going to get his way, and he is spending it to get legislation passed that makes him money.


I think you just contradicted yourself. If they had "our" best interest at heart they would not have made themselves so rich by allowing themselves to do insider trading that would have put others in jail; or voted themselves such luxury benefits along the way. No matter how bad the economy gets, the legislators haven't seen their standard of living decline like Joe Average. How can they possibly relate to the consequences of the laws they pass?

They obviously have no clue what it means to balance a budget ... or even imagine a budget (since they haven't come up with one for over 3 years); much less live within one.

Hope that they have our best interests at heart? I think not.

huntinman
02-02-2012, 09:34 PM
The ones who got hurt are the ones who were killed or were related to the ones who were killed by the guns sold to the criminals. To this day, Holder has not said one word of apology to Brian Terry"s family.

Ken Bora
02-03-2012, 08:32 AM
....., I'm not impressed by Holder and I would like the president to replace him, but letís keep it real!


lets just replace the President


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road kill
02-03-2012, 08:39 AM
1 year into this, and Holder can't apologize to the family of the murder victim (the results of this horrible scheme) or find out who OK'd this.

Holder is an incredibly inept manager...........much like his boss!!:rolleyes:


RK

menmon
02-03-2012, 09:03 AM
1 year into this, and Holder can't apologize to the family of the murder victim (the results of this horrible scheme) or find out who OK'd this.

Holder is an incredibly inept manager...........much like his boss!!:rolleyes:


RK

The truth will come out, but like you said earlier, he is being tried in the press. So you will get your smear, and then the truth will come out and no one will care. That's the world we live in.

I'm pretty sure if he has not address the family, it is because he is being advised by counsel not to, since the republican party has a bulleye on is ass:(

M&K's Retrievers
02-03-2012, 09:26 AM
The truth will come out, but like you said earlier, he is being tried in the press. So you will get your smear, and then the truth will come out and no one will care. That's the world we live in.

I'm pretty sure if he has not address the family, it is because he is being advised by counsel not to, since the republican party has a bulleye on is ass:(

The Committee is being tried in the Press. The Press would have you believe that poor Holder is being unfairly prosecuted.

menmon
02-03-2012, 09:29 AM
The Committee is being tried in the Press. The Press would have you believe that poor Holder is being unfairly prosecuted.

Depends on what press you listen to....:rolleyes:

menmon
02-03-2012, 11:14 AM
If he was so beatable....you would not be trying to pull the sh%t your talking about too;-)

Gerry Clinchy
02-03-2012, 11:39 AM
Depends on what press you listen to....:rolleyes:

I believe the proceedings of this investigation are a matter of public record. Holder keeps saying he didn't know what was happening. That, alone, proves incompetent management.

Now, it's reasonable to believe that his staff would be assigned to monitor activities. Holder couldn't personally read every memo on every activity of DOJ. If someone on the staff did not catch the memos on this operation, then does that person still have a job?

SOMEONE (or several) obviously screwed up big time, and in a year those responsible for the screw-up have not been fired or charged with criminal negligence? We're not talking about 10 or 20 weapons; or even 100. We're talking THOUSANDS.

road kill
02-03-2012, 12:43 PM
I believe the proceedings of this investigation are a matter of public record. Holder keeps saying he didn't know what was happening. That, alone, proves incompetent management.

Now, it's reasonable to believe that his staff would be assigned to monitor activities. Holder couldn't personally read every memo on every activity of DOJ. If someone on the staff did not catch the memos on this operation, then does that person still have a job?

SOMEONE (or several) obviously screwed up big time, and in a year those responsible for the screw-up have not been fired or charged with criminal negligence? We're not talking about 10 or 20 weapons; or even 100. We're talking THOUSANDS.
No one has been dismissed or disciplined.
No one knows anything.

It apparently happened by magic!!??!!??
And according to sambo, the border patrol agent "probably would have gotten killed anyway."

That's what we are dealing with in America today.:rolleyes:

RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
02-03-2012, 01:28 PM
The reason he (or the administration) has not issued an apology is because to do so admits "Fault" in the issue your apologizing for.

He is not willing to admit to his guilt or fault in the issue...so NO APOLOGY will be coming from him (or the administration)

Jake

menmon
02-03-2012, 02:24 PM
The reason he (or the administration) has not issued an apology is because to do so admits "Fault" in the issue your apologizing for.

He is not willing to admit to his guilt or fault in the issue...so NO APOLOGY will be coming from him (or the administration)

Jake

So tell me, with the countless number of soldiers killed during the Iraq war by friendly fire, should Bush have been held accountable? I didn't like Bush and did not agree with his wars, but he should not be held accountable for these accidents and mistakes that happen down in the ranks. Maybe I'm wrong and we should have a senate hearing and the whole nine yards.

This is war gentlemen and sh%t happens and politicians will make hay over the mans death. Not because they give a rats ass about him, but because they think it will damage their opponent. It that simple:mad:

dixidawg
02-03-2012, 02:29 PM
When did we declare war with Mexico?

menmon
02-03-2012, 02:33 PM
When did we declare war with Mexico?

Long time ago...they call it the drug war

Nor_Cal_Angler
02-03-2012, 03:57 PM
So tell me, with the countless number of soldiers killed during the Iraq war by friendly fire, should Bush have been held accountable? I didn't like Bush and did not agree with his wars, but he should not be held accountable for these accidents and mistakes that happen down in the ranks. Maybe I'm wrong and we should have a senate hearing and the whole nine yards.

This is war gentlemen and sh%t happens and politicians will make hay over the mans death. Not because they give a rats ass about him, but because they think it will damage their opponent. It that simple:mad:


Long time ago...they call it the drug war

No Bush should not be held accountable.....but to compare apples to apples would have served you better....

Let's say that the bush administration had sold M4A1 rifles to the enemy and one of the weapons his administration sold was used BY THE ENEMY...to kill an American soldier....well then you might have a clue as to what the hoopla was all about....And after further thought on my reply I feel it important to say....had Bush Purposely sold the weapons....which The DOJ did in FACT do...you would have a smidge if wiggle room to you thought.

And I have never heard Congress declare by virtue of vote a war on drugs...as is the process used to declare war on Iraq, and Afghanistan....hmmmm.

Jake