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BonMallari
11-18-2011, 03:17 AM
gonna eat some crow...Tebow is proving that he is a winner, his football may not be textbook, but the kid, check that he is now a man just wills his team to victory...

so for all you Tebow fans that I may have offended, I will take my lumps and eat some crow and admit I was wrong about Tebow...

He does it in a classy way too

luvmylabs23139
11-18-2011, 09:15 AM
Wish he had been crushed last night! My jets suck this year!

M&K's Retrievers
11-18-2011, 09:20 AM
When Denver got the ball on the 5 I thought to myself they were done. Wrong! That was pretty amazing. I can't imagine him being able to keep this up but i sure didn't think he could go 95 yards either. WOW!

Cody Covey
11-18-2011, 02:00 PM
When Denver got the ball on the 5 I thought to myself they were done. Wrong! That was pretty amazing. I can't imagine him being able to keep this up but i sure didn't think he could go 95 yards either. WOW!

Yeah both me and my father in law said the exact same thing as we were watching. Very interesting seeing them line up with an empty back field pretty much that whole drive.

Cowtown
11-19-2011, 10:16 AM
I'm not sold yet. We'll see. You can't win long term with 100 yards passing a game in the NFL. 9 of 20 for 104 yards and no passing TD's just won't cut it.

The jury is still out.

Hew
11-19-2011, 10:59 AM
You can't win long term with 100 yards passing a game in the NFL. 9 of 20 for 104 yards and no passing TD's just won't cut it.

The jury is still out.
I agree, but I don't think Tebow, Fox or Elway envision this as the long-term Denver offense. Tebow, for all intents and purposes is pretty much a rookie QB, Denver's offensive line is, to quote Bill Walton, "Horrrrrrrrrrible" and is a sack waiting to happen and their receivers ain't top notch, either. They're doing what they gotta do to win. It's working. For now.

twall
11-19-2011, 03:49 PM
He sure isn't what you imagine in an NFL QB. He's winning now. He's handling the criticism in a mature christian way.

He seems like the kind of guy who will keep stumping the experts.

Tom

M&K's Retrievers
11-19-2011, 03:57 PM
He's a great runner. Probably could be an all pro tight end. But as as passer, he sucks. I'm not sure he can even throw an interception. :rolleyes:

MooseGooser
11-19-2011, 09:43 PM
The secrete to ball control offense is 3.5 yrds per down.

It doesnt matter wether you throw, or run.
It doesnt matter WHO throws or runs. Just advance the ball 3.5 yrds.
Pretty basic,, and is what all these Pros have been taught since Pop Warner.

You drive the lenght of the field,, and score,, the other teams offense stays on the bench .You eat clock , score points and ALWAYS have a well rested defense.

BASIC FUNDAMENTAL FOOTBALLL.

And the guys that have the TALENT to make that happen is the big guys up front..... Not them "Glory Boys" that are designated with terms of
1/4 ... or 1/2 .... You need "Big Boys" up front,,, and "FULL" backs!

We all watched Tebow run over a pretty hard hittin defensive back,, instead of running out of bounds,, or "sliding"

Tebow Aint no 1/4 back... Hes a "Full Back" at least in mindset!

interesting to to watch!! especially since all the experts say.. this type of football would never win in the Pro game.

Gooser

MooseGooser
11-20-2011, 10:16 AM
There was a discussion on our local Bronco coverage radio sation the other afternoo, asking the question What Past Nfl quarterback would Tebow compare to?

There were many different answers that were interesting,, but the commentators of the show really didnt think anyone really compares to him. They felt he is a very unique player in a position he doesnt belong!

I whole heartly dis agree.

I wanted to call the station and give my comparison.
Tebow reminds me very much of this guy. However,, I think Tebow is Much more talented.

Billy Kilmer:

William Orland Kilmer, Jr. (born September 5, 1939 in Topeka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topeka,_Kansas), Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas)) was an American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football)quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) in the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) for the San Francisco 49ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_49ers), the New Orleans Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints) and the Washington Redskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins). He played college football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football) for the UCLA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles)Bruins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Bruins_football).




Early life

College career

Kilmer competed in football for one year at Citrus Junior College (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citrus_Junior_College&action=edit&redlink=1) where he scored six touchdowns and threw for 15 more, with a broken foot limiting his playing time for the Citrus basketball team. He then went on to play three seasons at UCLA, closing out his career with an outstanding season in 1960 that helped him finish fifth in voting for the Heisman Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy). During that stellar campaign, he threw for over 1,000 yards, ran for over 800, scored eight touchdowns and served as the team's punter. Kilmer was also awarded the 1960 W.J. Voit Memorial Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.J._Voit_Memorial_Trophy) as the outstanding football player on the Pacific Coast.
After the conclusion of a UCLA career that saw him finish among the top five in school history for passing and rushing yards, as well as total offense, Kilmer played in the 1961 College All-Star Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_All-Star_Game), where he earned Most Valuable Player honors.
Professional career

San Francisco 49ers

Kilmer was drafted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft) in the first round (eleventh overall) of the 1961 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_NFL_Draft) by the 49ers. He was also selected in the fifth round of the 1961 AFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_American_Football_League_Draft) by the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers), but signed with San Francisco on December 30, 1960. During that rookie season, he saw action primarily at running back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_back), rushing for 509 yards and ten touchdowns, with his top performance coming against the expansion Minnesota Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings) on October 15 when he rushed for four touchdowns.
The following year, Kilmer's season came to an early end following a December 5 auto accident in which he fell asleep in his 1957 Chevrolet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Chevrolet) and drove off the Bayshore Freeway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayshore_Freeway) into the San Francisco Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay). Suffering a fractured leg, Kilmer's injury was bad enough to also force him to sit out the entire 1963 NFL season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_NFL_season). He was able to return the following year, but his production was limited. After he saw no action in 1965 and was involved in a training camp contract dispute the next season, he was placed in the 1967 NFL Expansion Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_NFL_Expansion_Draft).
New Orleans Saints

On February 10, 1967, Kilmer was selected in the expansion draft by the New Orleans Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Saints) and, despite originally being thought of as the team's third-best signal caller, became the team's starting quarterback for much of the next four seasons, although he shared time with Edd Hargett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edd_Hargett) during his final two seasons. His most prolific performance during his four-year stint with the team came on November 2, 1969, when he threw for 345 yards and six touchdowns in a 51-42 win over the St. Louis Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals).
Frustrated after four years of the Saints' futility and sensing New Orleans would draft Ole Miss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Mississippi) star Archie Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Manning) with the second overall pick of the 1971 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_NFL_Draft), Kilmer asked to be traded and was granted his wish on January 23, 1971, when he was traded to the Washington Redskins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins) for linebacker Tom Roussel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Roussel) and two draft selections.
Washington Redskins

As the first trade during the George Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(coach)) era in Washington, Kilmer was destined for a reserve role behind future Hall of Famer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_of_Fame)Sonny Jurgensen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Jurgensen).
That status changed on September 4 when Jurgensen suffered a severe shoulder injury against the Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins). Kilmer then led the resurgent Redskins to a 5-0 start, but a midseason slump cost them the opportunity to win the National Football Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_Conference) Eastern Division. Kilmer briefly lost his starting job as a result of the slide, but regained it after Jurgensen again injured his shoulder. Fans in Washington tended to be loyal to one quarterback or the other, sporting buttons at games that read "I like Billy" or "I like Sonny." Kilmer did not throw the tight spiral that Jurgensen did, but his wobbly passes often got the job done.
One year later, Kilmer led the Redskins to an NFC-best 11-3 record, while also leading the NFL in touchdown passes (19) and passer rating (84.8). After the season, Washington advanced to their first Super Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl), which they lost, 14-7, to the unbeaten Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins) (16-0). The loss didn't dampen Kilmer's individual recognition as he was named to the Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) and the All-NFC Team.
Kilmer finished his 16-year NFL career with 1,585 of 2,984 completions for 20,495 yards and 154 touchdowns, with 146 interceptions. He also rushed for 1,509 yards and 21 touchdowns, caught 27 passes for 288 yards and one touchdown, and punted the ball 16 times for 598 yards.

Notice in Kilmers college career,, he RAN for over 800 yrds His passes were never spiral perfect,, but seemed to "get the job done"

I think Tebow will be a very special player in the league.

Uncle Bill
11-21-2011, 12:02 PM
I'm happy that you're happy with Tebow, MG. Now if Elway can teach him to throw a NFL pass, rather than that 'rainmaker' he tosses up, that practically any defensive back in the country can run under, even with a 20 yard late start, he might be left in his chosen position. But that 'dying quail' that he's presently delivering is interception fodder, and he'll never be able to throw a sideline pass unless that changes.

He does run like Joe Capp, which I like. He's big enough to hand out some punishment to those DB's.

I'm with you about him being a special player in the NFL, and he's continuing to mystify the talking heads with his miraculous finishes. But we all know, if he can't get his passing game corrected, his days as a QB are numbered. But for now, as long as the defense keeps the team in the game, his opportunities to continue his impossible finishes will keep us all dumbfounded.

UB

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 12:07 PM
Gooser, I remember watching Kilmer beat my Cowboys, wearing a single bar facemask, dont know who had the bigger beer gut, him or Sonny Jurgensen, but they could both chuck the rock

look at Vince Young...it aint pretty but he wins

Coveyrise64
11-21-2011, 01:18 PM
I racked my brain trying to remember his name, many years ago I watched him run over a DB near the sideline. They carried the poor guy off the field, Capp was a bruiser. Might not have been the best QB but fun to watch, didn't see him sliding into that don't hit me position.


He does run like Joe Capp, which I like. He's big enough to hand out some punishment to those DB's.

LokiMeister
11-21-2011, 01:29 PM
Tebow will not be a starting QB in 2012 for any team as he doesn't get enough done on the field. The Broncos win in spite of him. Of the ten passes I saw him throw, one was caught and the receiver had to go get it.

He is just the flavor of the month.

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 03:06 PM
Tebow will not be a starting QB in 2012 for any team as he doesn't get enough done on the field. The Broncos win in spite of him. Of the ten passes I saw him throw, one was caught and the receiver had to go get it.

He is just the flavor of the month.


I will save you some crow, trust me after the first bite,it tastes like chicken...very bad chicken

LokiMeister
11-21-2011, 03:37 PM
So what you are saying is that Tebow is going to create a change in the quarterback position? Coaches and general managers are going to start looking for college QB's that are winners that can run but can't throw a lick that get gifts from the defense and the other teams?

Look at Brooks Bollinger from U. of Wisconsin. He was a winner and got drafted by (?)Philadelphia(?) and was later signed by Minnesota that could run and not throw but protect the ball. He is now coaching a high school team in Minnesota.

John Fox and John Elway really don't want Tebow as their QB, they are stuck with a No. 1 draft pick by a former coach that made a bad decision (Kiffin).

Save some crow, I think it will spoil...

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 03:50 PM
all I'm saying is a couple of years ago the NFL QB played under center for every down, now they play from the shotgun more often than not, as fast as lineman can run they needed that extra five step drop...his mechanics can only improve, he has a strong arm, just needs an OC that believes in him

Hew
11-21-2011, 04:00 PM
Tebow will not be a starting QB in 2012 for any team as he doesn't get enough done on the field. The Broncos win in spite of him. Of the ten passes I saw him throw, one was caught and the receiver had to go get it.

He is just the flavor of the month.
I got a C-note that says you don't really believe that. If you're feeling froggy, go ahead and jump.

And after you don't accept the wager, read this article and find some quiet time for introspection ;-): http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47640

an excerpt...



Sports fans (short for fanatics, remember) cheer a fleet-footed dog executioner in Philadelphia. They riot for a coach who took a hands-off approach to an alleged pederast assistant. They bought record numbers of pay-per-view broadcasts of a heavyweight rapist. They are a forgiving bunch for whom good play atones for bad behavior. But for some fans, the one unforgivable sin is avoiding sin. We like our heroes to be heels. They flatter our egalitarianism and sense of superiority at once.

duk4me
11-21-2011, 04:04 PM
all I'm saying is a couple of years ago the NFL QB played under center for every down, now they play from the shotgun more often than not, as fast as lineman can run they needed that extra five step drop...his mechanics can only improve, he has a strong arm, just needs an OC that believes in him

Oh puleeze Bon surely you jest. His throwing motion has regressed since last year and just wait until he plays somebody that knocks his jock off and it will happen. He can't even throw as well as Vick who btw got his check and is now checking out.

Thank goodness you don't have Jerry's ear or you would have us trading Romo for him. You have a good heart Bon but the choir boy ain't gonna cut it long term. Sorry.

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 04:16 PM
Oh puleeze Bon surely you jest. His throwing motion has regressed since last year and just wait until he plays somebody that knocks his jock off and it will happen. He can't even throw as well as Vick who btw got his check and is now checking out.

Thank goodness you don't have Jerry's ear or you would have us trading Romo for him. You have a good heart Bon but the choir boy ain't gonna cut it long term. Sorry.

Look at Vince Young, that aint textbook either, but both of these guys are winners..would I like to have Aaron Rodgers, of course, but its in their bloodline...they were born to be champs...Romo was an undrafted free agent walk on who got a chance to play when Bledsoe didnt work out, talking about poor mechanics...Romo will never take my Boys to a championship..NEVER

duk4me
11-21-2011, 04:43 PM
Look at Vince Young, that aint textbook either, but both of these guys are winners..would I like to have Aaron Rodgers, of course, but its in their bloodline...they were born to be champs...Romo was an undrafted free agent walk on who got a chance to play when Bledsoe didnt work out, talking about poor mechanics...Romo will never take my Boys to a championship..NEVER

Our Boys Bon, our boys. I hope your reverse psychology on Romo works. He hasn't looked bad since he got out of the flak jacket and off the needle. I've had broken ribs and I can't imagine throwing a football with 300 lbers chasing me but that is another thread.

College greatness doesn't always equate to NFL greatness. Vince and Tebow were superior athletically in college not the NFL. Neither will ever never ever take anybody to a professional championship. Romo on the other hand......:)

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Romo will never take OUR BOYS to the promised land...he is the second coming of Gary Hogeboom...

here is an interesting take on Tebow in USA Today from Jake Plummer

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/11/former-broncos-qb-jake-plummer-on-tim-tebow-ill-like-him-a-little-better-when-he-stops-talking-about-jesus/1

M&K's Retrievers
11-21-2011, 05:46 PM
...Gary Hogeboom...

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Man, Bon, you could have gone all day without mentioning Hogeboom. Next someone will start talking about Quincy. :p

LokiMeister
11-21-2011, 06:00 PM
I got a C-note that says you don't really believe that. If you're feeling froggy, go ahead and jump.

I will accept. He has to start at least the first game and seven more games (for a total of eight) for you to collect, otherwise I collect.

Injury clause: if he is injured before getting the above, wager is null and void.

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 06:23 PM
Man, Bon, you could have gone all day without mentioning Hogeboom. Next someone will start talking about Quincy. :p


in honor of Thanksgiving how about Clint Longley..remember him ?

are you old enough to remember when some wanted Craig Morton instead of Roger Staubach

M&K's Retrievers
11-21-2011, 06:49 PM
in honor of Thanksgiving how about Clint Longley..remember him ?

are you old enough to remember when some wanted Craig Morton instead of Roger Staubach

Old enough? I used to watch the Cowboys and the Texans (now Chiefs) at the Cotton Bowl.

"Get yer chair backs" regards, :p

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 06:55 PM
Old enough? I used to watch the Cowboys and the Texans (now Chiefs) at the Cotton Bowl.

"Get yer chair backs" regards, :p

well then you remember Jerry Rhome before they had Dandy Don


"...turn out the lights..the party's over.."

duk4me
11-21-2011, 07:29 PM
well then you remember Jerry Rhome before they had Dandy Don


"...turn out the lights..the party's over.."

I remember going to Dallas as a child and seeing Dandy's billboard and his Mansion right off of interstate 30 in Mt. Vernon on the way to see the flying red horse on the skyline and the planes landing at Love Field.

I digress, Bon Jake Plummer you want me to read Jake the fakes opinion of Tebow? Nah, ain't happenin.

I'll make you a wager if Tebow wins a super bowl I will buy you a Tebow jersey and if Romo wins a super bowl you buy me a Romo jersey. Bet?:)

BonMallari
11-21-2011, 07:38 PM
I wouldn't wear a Tebow jersey,by my GF son loves the Broncos, I think we are getting him a Fathead sticker for Xmas....and I would GLADLY buy you a Romo jersey IF the BOYS win a Super Bowl with him at the helm...I have a virtually new windbreaker that I would love to wear except I get crap every time I wear it or the BOYS lose...

MooseGooser
11-21-2011, 07:40 PM
Just remember a Ball Controll offense only needs to move the ball 3.5 yrds per down.

Doesnt matter if Ya throw it or run it.

Most Pop Warner kids can throw a 3.5 yrd pass.

Over the weekend,, there were two different games I watch where the read option was run during the course of the game.

Vince young ran it twice.

Uncle Bill

I didnt say I was happy with Tebow.. I said it was "Interesting " to see how coaching staff is utilising his talents.

I think the QB posistion is the hardest position to fill in nthe league. There just aint a ton of Elways!!

Teams will have to adjust their play if they want to have a chance to win.
What other choice do they have???

Lokk at how vunerable the colts were. Manning goes down,,,,no more wins.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Bears now with Cutlers situation.

Gooser

duk4me
11-21-2011, 08:14 PM
Just remember a Ball Controll offense only needs to move the ball 3.5 yrds per down.

Doesnt matter if Ya throw it or run it.

Most Pop Warner kids can throw a 3.5 yrd pass.

Over the weekend,, there were two different games I watch where the read option was run during the course of the game.

Vince young ran it twice.

Uncle Bill

I didnt say I was happy with Tebow.. I said it was "Interesting " to see how coaching staff is utilising his talents.

I think the QB posistion is the hardest position to fill in nthe league. There just aint a ton of Elways!!

Teams will have to adjust their play if they want to have a chance to win.
What other choice do they have???

Lokk at how vunerable the colts were. Manning goes down,,,,no more wins.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Bears now with Cutlers situation.

Gooser

Yes my well dressed fiend I mean friend 3.5 is great unless you are behind by 21 and then you better be able to throw. Manning can throw Tebow can throw a prayer which often looks like a wounded duck. Love the guy hope ya'll are right but deep down we all know he aint gonna be succesful at qb at this level.

As for the Bears they'll make the playoffs but I can't see em doin much without Cutler. Best case would be he makes it back for the playoffs. If not they will struggle which I hate. Lovee went to high school about 45 min. from here and is underated as a head coach. Course I'm East Texas biased.

Hew
11-22-2011, 06:50 AM
I will accept. He has to start at least the first game and seven more games (for a total of eight) for you to collect, otherwise I collect.

Injury clause: if he is injured before getting the above, wager is null and void.
Although the wager you've proposed doesn't much resemble your original statement I'll still take it. Done...with the stipulation that he must start the opener and any seven more games...i.e. the last seven games do not have to be consecutive (to account for the scenario of him being injured for a game or two but not out for season).

Hew
11-22-2011, 06:53 AM
Love the guy hope ya'll are right but deep down we all know he aint gonna be succesful at qb at this level.
Lol...the "I love Tebow, but...." has become the new Seinfeldian, "...not that there's anything wrong with that."

LokiMeister
11-22-2011, 08:51 AM
Although the wager you've proposed doesn't much resemble your original statement I'll still take it. Done...with the stipulation that he must start the opener and any seven more games...i.e. the last seven games do not have to be consecutive (to account for the scenario of him being injured for a game or two but not out for season).

It depends on your definition of a starting QB. Anybody NFL QB can start a game but is he the long term starter? That is the gist of what I am getting at.

M&K's Retrievers
11-22-2011, 09:12 AM
well then you remember Jerry Rhome before they had Dandy Don


"...turn out the lights..the party's over.."

Rhome went on to be QB coach for Landry. Much better coach than player.

"Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach" regards,

Hew
11-23-2011, 06:57 AM
It depends on your definition of a starting QB. Anybody NFL QB can start a game but is he the long term starter? That is the gist of what I am getting at.
Yeah, I get it. Do you accept the terms I outlined....i.e. he's gotta start the first and ANY subsequent 7 games?

LokiMeister
11-23-2011, 09:38 AM
Yeah, I get it. Do you accept the terms I outlined....i.e. he's gotta start the first and ANY subsequent 7 games?

Yep. I also note that we didn't restrict him to starts for Denver.

Hew
11-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Yep. I also note that we didn't restrict him to starts for Denver.
That's nice of ya. But I think if anyone is getting traded in Denver it's gonna be Orton...supposedly Orton was almost dealt to the Fins in the summer. Alrighty then...done and done. See you in September. ;-)

BonMallari
11-23-2011, 01:56 PM
That's nice of ya. But I think if anyone is getting traded in Denver it's gonna be Orton...supposedly Orton was almost dealt to the Fins in the summer. Alrighty then...done and done. See you in September. ;-)

you must have missed it, the Broncos released Orton yesterday

Hew
11-23-2011, 02:11 PM
you must have missed it, the Broncos released Orton yesterday
Holy shiite! I didn't know that. I'm guessin' Loki didn't, either. ;-)

LokiMeister
11-23-2011, 02:25 PM
Holy shiite! I didn't know that. I'm guessin' Loki didn't, either. ;-)

I really don't think I am going to have a problem winning this bet.

gman0046
11-24-2011, 08:00 PM
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Tebow as a football player, I believe the guy is an outstanding human being. I just saw a segment on ESPN where Tebow went out of his way to make things better for a disabled 16 year old life long Gator fan. I personally know someone who's severely disabled son attends FSU and has been befriended by Tebow. He doesn't have to do these things but it sure makes life a little brighter for others who are less fortunate then we are.

Losthwy
11-25-2011, 09:59 PM
I racked my brain trying to remember his name, many years ago I watched him run over a DB near the sideline. They carried the poor guy off the field, Capp was a bruiser. Might not have been the best QB but fun to watch, didn't see him sliding into that don't hit me position.

If my memory serves me that was a Cleveland Browns linebacker in the playoffs. Capp was quoted later as saying, "my knee hurt like hell, but didn't want the other team to know it".
Back to Tebow. Today, he does not have the passing skills of a NFL quarterback. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Muslim player prostrated towards Mecca after each score and proclaimed his love for Allah at post game press conferences? Or a Buddhist... I like to thank Buddha for my blessings.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Hew
11-27-2011, 06:19 AM
Ya'll were talking about Joe Kapp earlier. Here's a funny as hell video taken last Friday of 73 yr old Kapp throwing trading fists and cane shots with 73 year old Angelo Mosca at a CFL Grey Cup banquet. Apparently there's still some bad blood over the 1963 Grey Cup where Mosca injured Kapp's teammate with a late hit. Enjoy :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kThLSiykiHY

road kill
11-27-2011, 07:19 AM
If my memory serves me that was a Cleveland Browns linebacker in the playoffs. Capp was quoted later as saying, "my knee hurt like hell, but didn't want the other team to know it".
Back to Tebow. Today, he does not have the passing skills of a NFL quarterback. I wonder what the reaction would be if a Muslim player prostrated towards Mecca after each score and proclaimed his love for Allah at post game press conferences? Or a Buddhist... I like to thank Buddha for my blessings. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I'm sure you do!!:rolleyes:



RK

M&K's Retrievers
11-27-2011, 10:34 AM
Maybe Tebow can figure a way to throw it to himself.

MooseGooser
11-27-2011, 08:29 PM
Thants what you get SD fans,,, fer your low rent chant!!:razz::razz:

Gooser

Franco
11-28-2011, 05:53 PM
Tebow can thank the Denver D for giving up an average of 13 points over the last several games;-)

Cody Covey
11-28-2011, 06:18 PM
I really don't think I am going to have a problem winning this bet.

still think you are going to win now that they traded away Orton?

BonMallari
11-28-2011, 06:30 PM
with Tebow as the starter the Broncos are 5-1....Elway would get laughed out of town if they were to trade or draft a QB in the early rounds..they might bring in another veteran for backup but the job is now Tebow's to lose

LokiMeister
11-28-2011, 06:37 PM
with Tebow as the starter the Broncos are 5-1....Elway would get laughed out of town if they were to trade or draft a QB in the early rounds..they might bring in another veteran for backup but the job is now Tebow's to lose

I think Elway will get laughed out of town if he doesn't bring in another QB that can take over for Tebow. The ONLY reason they win is because of defense. Tebow simply cannot throw.

Hew
11-28-2011, 06:45 PM
Tebow can thank the Denver D for giving up an average of 13 points over the last several games;-)
The Broncos are rushing for 100+ yards more per game since Tebow's been starting. That eats a lot of clock, which in turn means fewer plays for the opposing team's offense. Fewer plays = fewer points. Also, Tebow has had one pick in 6 games; which means that the opposing offenses are getting the ball mostly on their own side of the field. Crappy field position = fewer points. Denver's improved D is partly a function of Tebow's success. Tebow's success is partly a function of Denver's D. That's why it is called a TEAM sport. ;-)

Cody Covey
11-28-2011, 07:32 PM
I think Elway will get laughed out of town if he doesn't bring in another QB that can take over for Tebow. The ONLY reason they win is because of defense. Tebow simply cannot throw.

despite the numbers that Rodgers and Brady put up it is NOT the job of a QB to throw the ball. The job of a QB is to move the ball up the field and manage the game which Tebow does an amazing job of for being essentially a rookie. He has proven that Denver does not need to throw to make big plays and last minute drives. Denver never was a throwing team anyway so it was easy to be able to tweak the offense to cater to Tebow. 5-1 since Tebow has been starting should shut you up but here you are lol...

Franco
11-28-2011, 07:51 PM
despite the numbers that Rodgers and Brady put up it is NOT the job of a QB to throw the ball. The job of a QB is to move the ball up the field and manage the game which Tebow does an amazing job of for being essentially a rookie. He has proven that Denver does not need to throw to make big plays and last minute drives. Denver never was a throwing team anyway so it was easy to be able to tweak the offense to cater to Tebow. 5-1 since Tebow has been starting should shut you up but here you are lol...

In today's NFL, if your goal is to win Super Bowls, your team better be great at throwing the ball or have a truely great Defense!

I don't think you will will see Brady, Rodgers, Brees or Mannings, get traded anytime soon for Tim;-)

I really like this Dalton kid with the Bengals.

LokiMeister
11-29-2011, 10:06 AM
despite the numbers that Rodgers and Brady put up it is NOT the job of a QB to throw the ball. The job of a QB is to move the ball up the field and manage the game which Tebow does an amazing job of for being essentially a rookie.

You're kidding right?

Interesting take but you are incorrect. It is the offensive coordinator's job to move the ball up the field and manage the game. It is the quarterback's job to execute what plays the offensive coordinator puts in. If a quarterback cannot throw the ball, the offensive coordinator is severely limited in his play calling.

Why do teams spend so much time and money to verify that a guy can make all the throws at the Combine and at a guy's College Pro day? So he can just hand it off? I don't think so. This isn't high school football where the quarterback probably doesn't have the arm strength. Remember, the NFL is a PASSING league, and defensive coordinators are very good at figuring out how to stop most offensive attacks. That's one reason why the option doesn't work in the NFL, every defensive coordinator has seen the option and knows how it works and knows how to stop it.

If the Bronco's were scoring 24-30 points a game you might be right but they are getting 13 points a game. Just look at the San Diego game. They got two field goals to get to 13 points in regulation. Whooo hooo!!! 13 points. Now there's something to call home about. They won that game because of their defense, the offense struggled all game. The Broncos WILL NOT Trent Dilfer their way to a Super Bowl win with Tebow at QB this year or any year. Tim Tebow will not EVER sniff a Superbowl appearance as a starter.

Hew
11-29-2011, 10:42 AM
That's one reason why the option doesn't work in the NFL, every defensive coordinator has seen the option and knows how it works and knows how to stop it.
And the NFL defensive coordinators are so mean they won't share their secrets with the college defensive coordinators who can't seem to stop the spread offense/option, right?

It's not that the option isn't used in the NFL because it doesn't work (l5-1 and the rushing yds. Denver is putting on the board as evidence)...it isn't used because the teams are reluctant to risk the health of their QB.

LokiMeister
11-29-2011, 10:56 AM
And the NFL defensive coordinators are so mean they won't share their secrets with the college defensive coordinators who can't seem to stop the spread offense/option, right?

There's a different talent level in college. A lot of defenses cannot stop anything much less the option.


It's not that the option isn't used in the NFL because it doesn't work (l5-1 and the rushing yds. Denver is putting on the board as evidence)...it isn't used because the teams are reluctant to risk the health of their QB.

Fox and Elway are using the option to hurt Tebow, that's the ticket. Get him knocked out of the game and then we can say "See, it doesn't work."

If you want to call success scoring 13 points a game, go for it. We will see how they fare against the Bears and Patriots in two and three weeks.

Hew
11-29-2011, 11:23 AM
my comments in bold...


There's a different talent level in college. A lot of defenses cannot stop anything much less the option.
One post previous you were saying the NFL D coordinators know how to scheme against it and now you're saying it's a talent thing. Pick a side and stick with it, please.

If you want to call success scoring 13 points a game, go for it. We will see how they fare against the Bears and Patriots in two and three weeks.
I want to call success winning the football game. You're fixated on 13, aren't ya? Of the 5 games Tebow won they scored more than 13 points in all of them.

btw, Brady and the Patriots scored 13 last week and won. They're really bad.

LokiMeister
11-29-2011, 12:37 PM
my comments in bold...

I simply brought up talent about the college game because it simply isn't there to adequately defend against the option. The reasons the option doesn't work in the NFL are because defenses defend well against it.

Here are the Offensive totals for the games Tebow started:


15 points in regulation in 18-15 win against Miami
10 points in 45-10 loss against Detroit (7 points in garbage time, but we will count them anyway.
31 points in 38-24 win against Oakland (OMG, 31 points)
17 points in 17-10 win against Kansas City
10 points in 17-13 win against NY Jets
13 points in regulation in 16-13 win against San Diego


Note: in both of the OT games, they had to get a field goal to tie. They didn't have the offense to actually win in regulation.

They are averaging 16.00 points, offensively, a game. If we take out the highest and lowest scores the average drops to 13.75 points.



The difference between New England and Denver is 13 points is a bad day for New England. With Denver it is normal to score only 13 points.

Look, Tebow is just the flavor of the day (just like Fitzpatrick from Buffalo earlier this year). He is getting lucky but his wins are wins. If Denver's defense wasn't playing so well, Tebow probably wouldn't be starting.

Again, Tim Tebow will never take a team to the promised land.

MooseGooser
11-29-2011, 01:56 PM
Many of youhere are prolly to young to remember the Orange Crush defense we had in Denver.

They won a superbowl with a very mediocre offense

Many ways to win if you have a team effort

It's been Telly fun to watch
Again in any event

Gooser

mjh345
11-29-2011, 03:58 PM
Many of youhere are prolly to young to remember the Orange Crush defense we had in Denver.

They won a superbowl with a very mediocre offense

Many ways to win if you have a team effort

It's been Telly fun to watch
Again in any event

Gooser

Gooser, as a long time Colorado resident {Creede} I well remember the Orange Crush teams of Red Miller. However my recollection of their Super Bowl result is far less rosy than yours.

m
My recollection was of the Cowboys beating the Broncos badly in the Super Bowl; as well as at the end of the regular season

MooseGooser
11-30-2011, 10:58 PM
OH JEEZE!!

You are correct!!

I typed faster than I thunked!:razz:

That team won a right to ATTEND a Superbowl!! (XII)

MY BIG BAD!!!:confused:


Gooser

duk4me
12-01-2011, 11:24 PM
Look at Vince Young, that aint textbook either, but both of these guys are winners..would I like to have Aaron Rodgers, of course, but its in their bloodline...they were born to be champs...Romo was an undrafted free agent walk on who got a chance to play when Bledsoe didnt work out, talking about poor mechanics...Romo will never take my Boys to a championship..NEVER

Do you still want me to look at Vince Young?:p:p:p:p

Franco
12-02-2011, 12:14 AM
Do you still want me to look at Vince Young?:p:p:p:p

I remember back when Texas was playing USC that EdA DVM stated that Young was going to mke a great NFL QB.

Sorry Ed, I had to bring it up. I thought Jamarcus Russell drafted #1 by the Raiders was a great pick.;-)

duk4me
12-02-2011, 12:22 AM
I remember back when Texas was playing USC that EdA DVM stated that Young was going to mke a great NFL QB.

Sorry Ed, I had to bring it up. I thought Jamarcus Russell drafted #1 by the Raiders was a great pick.;-)

Poor Vince its been all down hill since he was put on suicide watch a couple of yrs ago.:cool:

Hew
12-02-2011, 09:58 AM
This is crazy-funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8_buda5vWo&feature=share

dumb question...is that really Orton? Looks like him.

duk4me
12-04-2011, 04:52 PM
T-Bo T-B0 T-Bo

Hew
12-05-2011, 04:18 PM
http://www.emotioneric.com/takingcandyfromababy.jpg

:p:p:p:p:p

Uncle Bill
12-05-2011, 04:40 PM
How humorous it is to see all you arrogant atheists slamming Tebow's current run of victories. How pathetic. Wonder how many of you realize how transparent you really are.

YO KEVIN E., Franco et al....

Any possible crow-eating after Tebow's passing stats this past weekend vs. the Vikes?

Granted, he needs to be better at his craft, but name just ONE other rookie with a record even close to his! Stop your pathetic bloviating about his shortcomings, and recognize just maybe YOU might have pegged him wrong.

UB

LokiMeister
12-05-2011, 04:49 PM
"...arrogant atheists..." Too funny.

One game doesn't make a season. Did you see the first half?

Hmmm, I believe Ben Roethlisberger went 13-1 in 2004 in his rookie season.

Franco
12-05-2011, 04:59 PM
"...arrogant atheists..." Too funny.

One game doesn't make a season. Did you see the first half?

Hmmm, I believe Ben Roethlisberger went 13-1 in 2004 in his rookie season.

I can think of at least two rookie QB's having better seasons in 2011;-)

P S

I'm not a Bronco fan so, I hope they spend a lot of time trying to make him an NFL QB. BTW, who have they beaten in the last 6 games? Any team with a winning record?

P S S

I think Tebow is a good kid!

Uncle Bill
12-05-2011, 05:02 PM
I can think of at least two rookie QB's having better seasons in 2011;-)

P S

I'm not a Bronco fan so, I hope they spend a lot of time trying to make him an NFL QB. BTW, who have they beaten in the last 6 games?


By the same token, who has LSU beaten over that same period????:rolleyes:


UB

Uncle Bill
12-05-2011, 05:13 PM
"...arrogant atheists..." Too funny.

One game doesn't make a season. Did you see the first half?

Hmmm, I believe Ben Roethlisberger went 13-1 in 2004 in his rookie season.


Like all "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with any facts." Had to go back to 2004 eh?

If it's one thing that sticks in my craw, it's self righteous Cheeseheads, that after years of wandering in the wilderness, suddenly have unending chutzpa. When you got it, flaunt it, but don't expect the rest of us to cheerfully jump on your bandwagon.

UB

Franco
12-05-2011, 06:07 PM
By the same token, who has LSU beaten over that same period????:rolleyes:


UB

Try 9 ranked teams including two that were ranked #3 and one that was ranked #2, an NCAA College record!

starjack
12-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Like all "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with any facts." Had to go back to 2004 eh?

If it's one thing that sticks in my craw, it's self righteous Cheeseheads, that after years of wandering in the wilderness, suddenly have unending chutzpa. When you got it, flaunt it, but don't expect the rest of us to cheerfully jump on your bandwagon.

UBThis is one cheesehead that hope he proves all the skeptics wrong.

Hew
12-05-2011, 06:21 PM
I can think of at least two rookie QB's having better seasons in 2011;-)
Hard to tell which you're hatin' on worse; mathmatics or Tebow. But I'll bite...by what units of measurement do you have Newton or Dalton "having better seasons in 2011"? Can't be win/loss record. Can't be passer rating. Can't be TD to Int ratio. You must be going by height? Or is it looks?

mngundog
12-05-2011, 07:20 PM
At about 15 passes a game, how long (if at all) will it take for him to qualify as a quarterback in the stats?

Cody Covey
12-05-2011, 08:25 PM
At about 15 passes a game, how long (if at all) will it take for him to qualify as a quarterback in the stats?

Considering it appears likely he will be in the pro bowl I say now...

BlaineT
12-05-2011, 09:14 PM
I can think of at least two rookie QB's having better seasons in 2011;-)



really? what are their records? seems like that would be the bottom line for that sort of statement right?

Franco
12-05-2011, 09:15 PM
At about 15 passes a game, how long (if at all) will it take for him to qualify as a quarterback in the stats?

Tough question, I'm thinking somewhere near 100 passes because Tebow is not even rated as a QB by the NFL!

Dalton and Newton are ranked 15 and 16. Cam will probably be Offensive Rookie Of The Year.

Tebow will not be selected to the Pro Bowl. They have some real QB's in the AFC, guys like Brady, Rothlesberger, Fitzpatrick etc. Broncos haven't beat a winning team in the last six games! If he does go, it will be as a replacement/alternate because many of the top QB's do not want to play in the Pro Bowl.

Hew
12-05-2011, 10:09 PM
Tough question, I'm thinking somewhere near 100 passes because Tebow is not even rated as a QB by the NFL!

Dalton and Newton are ranked 15 and 16. Cam will probably be Offensive Rookie Of The Year.

And at 87.9 rating, Tebow is higher than Dalton and Newton. Newton's thrown more picks than TDs. Part of the reason he's got some gaudy passing stats is that Carolina sucks and is constantly way behind (thanks to Newton turnovers often) and trying to catch-up. Newton's gonna be great one day, though. And you're right...he's the rook of the year.

mngundog
12-06-2011, 12:53 AM
And at 87.9 rating, Tebow is higher than Dalton and Newton. Newton's thrown more picks than TDs. Part of the reason he's got some gaudy passing stats is that Carolina sucks and is constantly way behind (thanks to Newton turnovers often) and trying to catch-up. Newton's gonna be great one day, though. And you're right...he's the rook of the year.
When you also mention that Cam has rushed for more TD's (13) than any other player this season, it kinda seals the deal.

Echo41725
12-06-2011, 07:14 AM
I have never in my life seen so many idiots in this world want someone like Tebow to fail so badly. He's a great guy, competitor, and most importantly a WINNER. Who cares if he's not your pro style QB like all the rest of the other QB's. Why not get behind someone that is a fine upstanding citizen, that seem to be few and far between anymore in his posistion.

It's puzzling how people can praise players like T.O. and others that are constantly acting a fool on national television, or have had a handful of D.U.I.'s, but we have a problem that runs someone over says god bless you and then prays after he scores. And we wonder why our country is so screwed up i guess.

mngundog
12-06-2011, 11:33 AM
I have never in my life seen so many idiots in this world want someone like Tebow to fail so badly. He's a great guy, competitor, and most importantly a WINNER. Who cares if he's not your pro style QB like all the rest of the other QB's. Why not get behind someone that is a fine upstanding citizen, that seem to be few and far between anymore in his posistion.

It's puzzling how people can praise players like T.O. and others that are constantly acting a fool on national television, or have had a handful of D.U.I.'s, but we have a problem that runs someone over says god bless you and then prays after he scores. And we wonder why our country is so screwed up i guess.
I have never heard anyone on here or on T.V. run him down because he was a great guy or that he prays, not once. I think people are judging him on his merits as a quarterback, and opinions on that very greatly. I think some people are hung on to much on his great personality to objectively rate him as a QB. He is being asked to hand the ball off and not turn the ball over and he is doing well with that.

Echo41725
12-06-2011, 11:35 AM
I have never heard anyone on here or on T.V. run him down because he was a great guy or that he prays, not once. I think people are judging him on his merits as a quarterback, and opinions on that very greatly. I think some people are hung on to much on his great personality to objectively rate him as a QB. He is being asked to hand the ball off and not turn the ball over and he is doing well with that.

The most important thing that he is doing along with that is winning which is what almost everyone said that he would never be able to do in the NFL.

Hew
12-06-2011, 12:13 PM
I have never heard anyone on here or on T.V. run him down because he was a great guy or that he prays, not once. I think people are judging him on his merits as a quarterback, and opinions on that very greatly. I think some people are hung on to much on his great personality to objectively rate him as a QB. He is being asked to hand the ball off and not turn the ball over and he is doing well with that.
If you haven't heard anyone on here or TV rag him because of his religiosity then you have not read this thread thoroughly. See post 22 and the link to Jake Plummer wishing Tebow would get over the prayin' thing. If you think people can't objectively rate him because they like him, then you also would have to believe that people can't objectively rate him because they dislike him, no? If you think much of the Tebow animosity isn't based on his personality rather than his skills then I think you're being naive.

Read a quote recently applicable to Tebow that I found interesting...it's harsh but there's certainly a kernal of truth to it: "Good people make bad people feel uncomfortable."

LokiMeister
12-06-2011, 12:40 PM
Like all "My mind's made up, don't confuse me with any facts." Had to go back to 2004 eh?

If it's one thing that sticks in my craw, it's self righteous Cheeseheads, that after years of wandering in the wilderness, suddenly have unending chutzpa. When you got it, flaunt it, but don't expect the rest of us to cheerfully jump on your bandwagon.

UB

You didn't qualify the statement of what year. It's like in the game this weekend, they compared the first ten games of Tebow and Elway. It's laughable.

Now, why would you say I am self righteous? When/where did I say that?

What I don't get is why am I a jerk for stating my opinion? I never once said that I like or dislike Tebow as a person. He sounds like a good person, a little too forthcoming with his religion for my taste. I am simply stating that Tim Tebow will not be a starter next year.

Here is the problem with Tim Tebow: Let's say he gets hurt in the first quarter, Brady Quinn is now the QB. Now what do you do? And this isn't a slam on Quinn, but you have game planned all week to play a certain way. Now that goes out the window because Quinn is a more typical NFL QB.

Put it this way, poll all 32 general managers and head coaches in the NFL. Tell them to list the first five players (not just QB's) on your team if you could pick anybody in the NFL or college right now. Tebow doesn't make ANY list. He probably won't make ANY list in the top 15.

mngundog
12-06-2011, 01:12 PM
If you haven't heard anyone on here or TV rag him because of his religiosity then you have not read this thread thoroughly. See post 22 and the link to Jake Plummer wishing Tebow would get over the prayin' thing. If you think people can't objectively rate him because they like him, then you also would have to believe that people can't objectively rate him because they dislike him, no? If you think much of the Tebow animosity isn't based on his personality rather than his skills then I think you're being naive.

Read a quote recently applicable to Tebow that I found interesting...it's harsh but there's certainly a kernal of truth to it: "Good people make bad people feel uncomfortable."
I did read the whole thread (I didn't read the link) and saw about 3 mentions of religion only one seemed derogatory in any way (something about Muslims), and then some guy saying that anyone who puts down Tebow is an Atheist, but in general I think most people here are judging him on his merits and not on his religion, that was my point.
In 2008 the Vikings after losing the opening 2 games switched to Gus Frerotte as starting QB, who went 7-3 before a mild injury took him out for a couple games. Frerotte job was to hand the ball off and throw the deep ball to keep the safeties honest, and he did just that, he turned a losing team into a playoff team so you could call him a winner. The fact was he was a below average QB on a above average team, and the following season there wasn't one team in the NFL interested in him, although he was a winner, they simple judged him on his merits not his winning percentage. I give him credit for doing what he's done with Denver, but if asked to evaluate talent you have to look at more the winning percentage.

Uncle Bill
12-06-2011, 03:15 PM
You didn't qualify the statement of what year. It's like in the game this weekend, they compared the first ten games of Tebow and Elway. It's laughable.

Now, why would you say I am self righteous? When/where did I say that?

What I don't get is why am I a jerk for stating my opinion? I never once said that I like or dislike Tebow as a person. He sounds like a good person, a little too forthcoming with his religion for my taste. I am simply stating that Tim Tebow will not be a starter next year.

Here is the problem with Tim Tebow: Let's say he gets hurt in the first quarter, Brady Quinn is now the QB. Now what do you do? And this isn't a slam on Quinn, but you have game planned all week to play a certain way. Now that goes out the window because Quinn is a more typical NFL QB.

Put it this way, poll all 32 general managers and head coaches in the NFL. Tell them to list the first five players (not just QB's) on your team if you could pick anybody in the NFL or college right now. Tebow doesn't make ANY list. He probably won't make ANY list in the top 15.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Right!!!! Nothing self righteous about you. I must have confused your incredible egoistic assuredness in the assinine statements you are so positive about...not even a hint of "just mebbe he might be there next year". What an incredible boor.

You are epitome of the person that lives by the addage..."It's hard to be humble when you are as great asI am." The ego your family must put up with is remarkable. Wonder if they recognize how insecure you are?

UB

FOM
12-08-2011, 12:19 PM
Alright guys...chill!! Watch the rude behavior and name calling....FYI just because you delete a post doesn't mean "we" can't see it...so EVERYONE go take a chill pill and hug your dogs!

FOM
RTF moderator

duk4me
12-08-2011, 02:13 PM
Alright guys...chill!! Watch the rude behavior and name calling....FYI just because you delete a post doesn't mean "we" can't see it...so EVERYONE go take a chill pill and hug your dogs!

FOM
RTF moderator

But But its about T-Bo T-Bo T-Bo T-Bo the whole nation is arguing about it.;)

BonMallari
12-11-2011, 07:23 PM
the saga continues....Tebow starts 3 for 16 but finishes strong in the 4th qt icluding getting his team in position for a game tying 59 yd FG, and Denver gets a lucky fumble recovery in OT for a shot at the game winner....I am starting to believe that Tebow has some divine intervention on his side....no way else to explain it

charly_t
12-11-2011, 08:52 PM
I have seen players "cross themselves" over the years............is this any different really ? I don't watch much of the sports on TV though.

Jason Glavich
12-12-2011, 10:18 AM
The game last night was lost by barber more than it was won by Tebow. I give him credit he shines in the 4th but before that he was just garbage.


barber runs out of bounds stopping the clock for the broncos, then fumbles in OT..


But 2 long FG in the same game was quite a feat.

Cody Covey
12-12-2011, 01:26 PM
I don't really get this statement, what am I missing. Barber didn't run out of bounds he was pushed out of bounds. I suppose you could argue he got too close to the side line but he definitely dind't run out of bounds.

mngundog
12-12-2011, 01:37 PM
I don't really get this statement, what am I missing. Barber didn't run out of bounds he was pushed out of bounds. I suppose you could argue he got too close to the side line but he definitely dind't run out of bounds.
I think that most people blame him for being in position to get tackled out of bounce, your trying to run the clock out he know better than to get tackled out of bounce and he did it anyway. Just easier to say he ran out of bounce.

Jason Glavich
12-13-2011, 07:40 AM
Correct, he should never have gotten that close to get pushed out of bounds. But you could also blame the play having him run that way instead of up the middle. Either way, he further screwed the pooch by fumbling in OT.

road kill
12-13-2011, 08:36 AM
Correct, he should never have gotten that close to get pushed out of bounds. But you could also blame the play having him run that way instead of up the middle. Either way, he further screwed the pooch by fumbling in OT.

It was the Bearsssssss, he just did what the Bearsssss do!!


RK

duk4me
12-18-2011, 04:35 PM
just got to cabin. Looking forward to this one not about T=Bo want to see if Broncos defense is as good as I think.

frederjj
12-18-2011, 05:18 PM
Say what you will, but tebow fever seems to be ramping up again.

paul young
12-18-2011, 07:53 PM
just got to cabin. Looking forward to this one not about T=Bo want to see if Broncos defense is as good as I think.

nope.-Paul

Jason Glavich
12-19-2011, 07:40 AM
Tebow fever has subsided, and in even better news the Packers....

Cody Covey
12-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Here ya go Loki

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8253ddeb/article/john-elway-quickly-reversing-broncos-fortunes

LokiMeister
12-20-2011, 03:20 PM
Here ya go Loki

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8253ddeb/article/john-elway-quickly-reversing-broncos-fortunes

That's fine and if I lose my $100 bet to Hew, so be it. I still stand by my original comments. If you read the article, Tebow has to change in order to be long term successful and that is kind of my point. Tebow is/was further from being a NFL QB than a lot of other QB's that come into the league that will never get a snap. Sometimes you just have to do as Denver did and throw caution to the wind and see how someone does. Happens all the time and sometimes, how much you are paying a guy determines what you do with him and I think that is the case here.

Also note that I never wished ill on Tebow or the Broncos as some here would have you believe.

Hew
12-20-2011, 04:05 PM
I'll take fitty now to call it off. ;-)

LokiMeister
12-20-2011, 04:13 PM
I'll take fitty now to call it off. ;-)

You'll get nothing now and like it. ;)

Hew
12-20-2011, 04:16 PM
You'll get nothing now and like it. ;)
Like Vito Corleone, I'm a patient man. ;-)

I was just trying to make room on the Tebow train for you. Now you're going to have spend the rest of this season and half the next rooting for a Tebow injury. That can't be healthy for your psyche or karma.

LokiMeister
12-20-2011, 04:30 PM
Like Vito Corleone, I'm a patient man. ;-)

I was just trying to make room on the Tebow train for you. Now you're going to have spend the rest of this season and half the next rooting for a Tebow injury. That can't be healthy for your psyche or karma.

That train stopped here just a little while ago...I'm still here. I appreciate the offer but no, Elway still might find out that Tebow won't be able to do it.

If I didn't have bad karma, I'd have none at all. I don't know which is worse...

Psyche will be fine, regards.

Hew
12-20-2011, 04:42 PM
OK...I'll sweeten the pot for you. I'll let you completely out of the bet on the following condition.

From now until the Broncos are eliminated from Super Bowl contention you must search RTF at least once per day for the word "Tebow." And for every post you find that mentions Tebow you must answer with your own post on that thread stating, "I have seen the light. I loves me some Timmy Tebow!" In? :p

LokiMeister
12-20-2011, 05:00 PM
OK...I'll sweeten the pot for you. I'll let you completely out of the bet on the following condition.

From now until the Broncos are eliminated from Super Bowl contention you must search RTF at least once per day for the word "Tebow." And for every post you find that mentions Tebow you must answer with your own post on that thread stating, "I have seen the light. I loves me some Timmy Tebow!" In? :p

Uncle Bill will make my life miserable and just create threads just to do it, so nice offer, but I will pass. Not to mention, he has a number of things going against him anyway. The first of which is he is not a Green Bay Packer. The "hate" doesn't rise to the level of a Chicago Butthead or a Minnesota ViQUEEN...you either play for the Packers or you are nothing, including Packers that have left to play for other teams, traded, free agency or otherwise.

caryalsobrook
12-20-2011, 06:41 PM
That's fine and if I lose my $100 bet to Hew, so be it. I still stand by my original comments. If you read the article, Tebow has to change in order to be long term successful and that is kind of my point. Tebow is/was further from being a NFL QB than a lot of other QB's that come into the league that will never get a snap. Sometimes you just have to do as Denver did and throw caution to the wind and see how someone does. Happens all the time and sometimes, how much you are paying a guy determines what you do with him and I think that is the case here.

Also note that I never wished ill on Tebow or the Broncos as some here would have you believe.

Just heard where Denver/ New england game had the highest rating of any game this year. Fills stadiums and has the highest rating on TV. I bet the league is hoping Denver has a game nationally every week the rest of the year. i can imagine what the viewing will be if Denver is in the playoffs. This was the first game I have seen denver play this year. Team and Tebow looked good 1st q but poor last 3. Hope to see them again.

paul young
12-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Just heard where Denver/ New england game had the highest rating of any game this year. Fills stadiums and has the highest rating on TV. I bet the league is hoping Denver has a game nationally every week the rest of the year. i can imagine what the viewing will be if Denver is in the playoffs. This was the first game I have seen denver play this year. Team and Tebow looked good 1st q but poor last 3. Hope to see them again.

Yes, that's exactly what you saw. it is the inverse of the previous 8 games where the only good quarter they had was the 4th.There is a pattern here, i think.

I REALLY loved the 49 yard sack! thought i was watching a poor High School Quarterback running for his life. NFL Quarterbacks either take the sack or the intentional grounding penalty.

Their defense looked less than impressive against the Pats and the Lions' offenses.

Tebow would probably make a good running back or tight end in the NFL.-Paul

caryalsobrook
12-21-2011, 11:02 AM
Yes, that's exactly what you saw. it is the inverse of the previous 8 games where the only good quarter they had was the 4th.There is a pattern here, i think.

I REALLY loved the 49 yard sack! thought i was watching a poor High School Quarterback running for his life. NFL Quarterbacks either take the sack or the intentional grounding penalty.

Their defense looked less than impressive against the Pats and the Lions' offenses.

Tebow would probably make a good running back or tight end in the NFL.-Paul

Since i had not seen them play, I didn't know what all the hype was about. They looked to me as if they got tired, especially in the 2nd half. they did remind me of a college fast pitch softball team I played on in college. We won the league undefeated and only one game that was ever in doubt. After the season, the director who eventually was Athletic Director at Georgia Tech, told me that if he were to pick an alstar team that none of us would make it. i responded that he pick his alstar team and we would beat the hell out of them. He thought a minute and then he agreed:). We were a team. We did not want to change any player. We had complete confidence and dedication to each other. It was a rare experience that I have never forgotten. I think I saw some of that in Denver. time will tell if they leave the team alone and it will be interesting to watch.

mngundog
12-21-2011, 12:02 PM
Yes, that's exactly what you saw. it is the inverse of the previous 8 games where the only good quarter they had was the 4th.There is a pattern here, i think.

I REALLY loved the 49 yard sack! thought i was watching a poor High School Quarterback running for his life. NFL Quarterbacks either take the sack or the intentional grounding penalty.

Their defense looked less than impressive against the Pats and the Lions' offenses.

Tebow would probably make a good running back or tight end in the NFL.-Paul
I'm not on the Tebow bandwagon but that sack you are talking about was vintage Fran Tarkington, watched Fran do that many times sometimes they got him sometimes they didn't but it was always fun to watch for anyone except Bud Grant.
I just found this interesting article on Timmy.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jesus-christ-claims-tim-tebow-not-ready-to-be-nfl,21167/

Franco
12-21-2011, 12:45 PM
I just found this interesting article on Timmy.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jesus-christ-claims-tim-tebow-not-ready-to-be-nfl,21167/

That is just too halarious!

What's next, Muslim players rolling out mats in the Endzone and facing east for prayer?

caryalsobrook
12-21-2011, 01:22 PM
I'm not on the Tebow bandwagon but that sack you are talking about was vintage Fran Tarkington, watched Fran do that many times sometimes they got him sometimes they didn't but it was always fun to watch for anyone except Bud Grant.
I just found this interesting article on Timmy.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jesus-christ-claims-tim-tebow-not-ready-to-be-nfl,21167/
I remember those days. the only thing that kept Fran in the stadium was the sidelines and the end zone:).

HPL
12-22-2011, 01:11 AM
I'm not on the Tebow bandwagon but that sack you are talking about was vintage Fran Tarkington, watched Fran do that many times sometimes they got him sometimes they didn't but it was always fun to watch for anyone except Bud Grant.
I just found this interesting article on Timmy.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/jesus-christ-claims-tim-tebow-not-ready-to-be-nfl,21167/
Pretty funny if a bit sacrilegious, but then I always thought it a bit sacrilegious of Tebow to think that God cared one way or the other how he did on the field.

duk4me
12-25-2011, 12:35 PM
Tebow Tebow Tebow Romo Tebow Tebow Tebow

LokiMeister
01-01-2012, 07:47 PM
Way to go Timmy!! Way to score 3 points!! Way to back into the playoffs so you can lose next week!!

Hey Uncle Bill, did you see that the Packers scored 45 points, with Matt Flynn (second string QB) throw for a team record 460 yards and 6 TD's? How that for the defending champs?

Cowtown
01-03-2012, 09:16 AM
Way to go Timmy!! Way to score 3 points!! Way to back into the playoffs so you can lose next week!!

Hey Uncle Bill, did you see that the Packers scored 45 points, with Matt Flynn (second string QB) throw for a team record 460 yards and 6 TD's? How that for the defending champs?

The hype will thankfully all be over soon...probably sometime next year though.

6 of 22 for 60 yards, 0 TD's and 1 INT, 20.6 Rating.

LOL

mngundog
01-03-2012, 11:50 AM
The hype will thankfully all be over soon...probably sometime next year though.

6 of 22 for 60 yards, 0 TD's and 1 INT, 20.6 Rating.

LOL
Over the last 3 games he is 30-73, 1TD, 4 interceptions, and 5 fumbles.

M&K's Retrievers
01-03-2012, 12:42 PM
Tight End/Fullback in training.

LokiMeister
01-03-2012, 02:16 PM
Tight End/Fullback in training.

Interesting course of training.

BonMallari
01-08-2012, 08:14 PM
the Legend of Tebow just added another chapter....


http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m501/Jeepie2487/107688150_crop_650x440.jpg

M&K's Retrievers
01-08-2012, 08:18 PM
Amazing!!! :D

DaveHare
01-08-2012, 08:24 PM
Tebow Is The Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Hare

Goose
01-08-2012, 08:30 PM
Tebow....Tebow....Tebow!!!

Cowtown
01-08-2012, 09:50 PM
*puke*

It adds another game, not chapter.

Joe Dutro
01-08-2012, 10:06 PM
*puke*

It adds another game, not chapter.
Tebow is not the best QB out there. BUT, he does what all QB's are suppose to do- rally the team. The team believes in him and lately that has been enough.

BonMallari
01-08-2012, 10:11 PM
*puke*

It adds another game, not chapter.

a PLAYOFF WIN against the defending AFC champs is not just another game :p

caryalsobrook
01-08-2012, 10:26 PM
One of my favorite lines is "We lost but we were a better team than the winner". My favorite response is "I don't care which team is better just so we won">:D

DaveHare
01-08-2012, 10:47 PM
Hey CowTown How Bout Them Cowboy's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave Hare

Hew
01-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Some folks' criticism of Tebow seems kinda personal; kinda over-the-top....almost like they're rooting for the kid to fail. Here's another infamous cynic's take: http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

LokiMeister
01-13-2012, 10:44 PM
I think that he is using his position to do good things and that is great! That doesn't mean you will win the bet Hew.

M&K's Retrievers
01-13-2012, 10:46 PM
Some folks' criticism of Tebow seems kinda personal; kinda over-the-top....almost like they're rooting for the kid to fail. Here's another infamous cynic's take: http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow

Great article!

caryalsobrook
01-14-2012, 09:59 AM
What kind of odds would you give Denver today 50-1? Hav only seen 2 of their games so far the Pitt game and one they lost. Fun to watch. Can't imagine the uproar were they to win today. 50-1 odds should be about right.

duk4me
01-14-2012, 10:07 AM
What kind of odds would you give Denver today 50-1? Hav only seen 2 of their games so far the Pitt game and one they lost. Fun to watch. Can't imagine the uproar were they to win today. 50-1 odds should be about right.

Dont know about today but Vegas has them 50-1 to win the Super Bowl. Colin Cowherd on his show said he bet $100 on them while he was in Vegas.

caryalsobrook
01-14-2012, 10:26 AM
Dont know about today but Vegas has them 50-1 to win the Super Bowl. Colin Cowherd on his show said he bet $100 on them while he was in Vegas.

I wonder what the odds are that Tebow won't be the QB next year. Can you imagine the uproar if they replaced him and the Broncos DIDN'T even make the playoffs next year??

road kill
01-14-2012, 10:42 AM
I wonder what the odds are that Tebow won't be the QB next year. Can you imagine the uproar if they replaced him and the Broncos DIDN'T even make the playoffs next year??
I have read articles speculating him at a flanker/slot type utility back position.

That could be interesting.

RK

BonMallari
01-14-2012, 10:54 AM
Dont know about today but Vegas has them 50-1 to win the Super Bowl. Colin Cowherd on his show said he bet $100 on them while he was in Vegas.

Cowherd is the best shill the Vegas sportsbooks have....probably one of the reasons he is no longer in this town...

FTR, one of my fellow co workers showed me a $ 20 parlay bet for the weekend...he bet the money line (betting just for the team to win) Denver-NYG-SF...if those three teams win a $20 ticket returns $1460 (about 70-1)...yikes

Gerry Clinchy
01-14-2012, 11:56 AM
Just thinkin' ... even if Tebow does not fit into the ranks of the best QBs, I'd expect that lots of products would love to give him endorsement contracts. Would be kind of nice to anticipate that your product's "face" is not going to end up being busted for rape, drug or alcohol abuse, assault or worse.

caryalsobrook
01-14-2012, 12:27 PM
Just thinkin' ... even if Tebow does not fit into the ranks of the best QBs, I'd expect that lots of products would love to give him endorsement contracts. Would be kind of nice to anticipate that your product's "face" is not going to end up being busted for rape, drug or alcohol abuse, assault or worse.

Aw you are worried about a few little indiscretions:rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
01-14-2012, 12:57 PM
Cowherd is the best shill the Vegas sportsbooks have....probably one of the reasons he is no longer in this town...

FTR, one of my fellow co workers showed me a $ 20 parlay bet for the weekend...he bet the money line (betting just for the team to win) Denver-NYG-SF...if those three teams win a $20 ticket returns $1460 (about 70-1)...yikes

Cowherd is a shill for himself, USC, PAC 10 and Pete Carroll. Some folks think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Marvin S
01-14-2012, 02:31 PM
shill for PAC 10

Hey, Boy ;-) That's Pac 12 - with the new TV deal & the coaching Genius of the new additions - they will be able to compete on an equal footing with any conference.

We'll se how petey does with the sea Turkeys :) it's his team now -

M&K's Retrievers
01-14-2012, 02:59 PM
Hey, Boy ;-) That's Pac 12 - with the new TV deal & the coaching Genius of the new additions - they will be able to compete on an equal footing with any conference.

We'll se how petey does with the sea Turkeys :) it's his team now -

I always get that wrong. I guess that comes from my Big 12 background that actually has 10 teams or is it 9 or 8??:oops:

Cowtown
01-14-2012, 11:50 PM
*cough*


...

paul young
01-15-2012, 06:30 AM
Just thinkin' ... even if Tebow does not fit into the ranks of the best QBs, I'd expect that lots of products would love to give him endorsement contracts. Would be kind of nice to anticipate that your product's "face" is not going to end up being busted for rape, drug or alcohol abuse, assault or worse.

he has a LOT of improving to do just to join the ranks of the MEDIOCRE NFL quarterbacks. a lot of people with blinders on concerning this guy. they got in the playoffs by winning games against teams who had poor offensive output. the Bronco's defense and special teams kept the games close enough to win with 1 or 2 big plays late in the game. they essentially beat Pittsburgh because they were too banged up to play their "A" game.-Paul

Gerry Clinchy
01-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Paul, guess that showed up in the game last night.

Franco
01-16-2012, 09:41 AM
Hey, Boy ;-) That's Pac 12 - with the new TV deal & the coaching Genius of the new additions - they will be able to compete on an equal footing with any conference.

We'll se how petey does with the sea Turkeys :) it's his team now -

Pac 12 will always be a one team Conference with USC and the reason USC does so well is because they play in the Pac 10 or 12.

College Football playoffs or not, the SEC will be in control and winning the Nat'l Championship for seasons to come.

mngundog
01-16-2012, 11:04 AM
Pac 12 will always be a one team Conference with USC and the reason USC does so well is because they play in the Pac 10 or 12.

College Football playoffs or not, the SEC will be in control and winning the Nat'l Championship for seasons to come.
USC wins because they recruit as well as any team in the country, USC would be in the title hunt no matter what conference they were in.

Marvin S
01-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Pac 12 will always be a one team Conference with USC and the reason USC does so well is because they play in the Pac 10 or 12.

College Football playoffs or not, the SEC will be in control and winning the Nat'l Championship for seasons to come.

Geologically speaking your time frame is very brief so will not comment on your short memories.

But I watched a lot of FB this past month, more than normal. I even watched some of the rerun, where some team you puff your chest out about could not score a point.

I'm sure we're not at LSU's level defensively, but we got a new coordinator, did LSU get a new OC, cause it looks like they could use one. Their guys looked lost out there.

But there's a rematch next fall with you guys & it looks like our QB can do the job offensively. We'll be the underdog immensely, rightfully so, what are you gonna say if by some quirk of fate, we outscore you.

To the offensively challenged, regards :-P.

BonMallari
01-16-2012, 02:23 PM
Pac 12 will always be a one team Conference with USC and the reason USC does so well is because they play in the Pac 10 or 12.

College Football playoffs or not, the SEC will be in control and winning the Nat'l Championship for seasons to come.

are you forgetting that Oregon was the conference champs the last two year, mainly due to going outside the state and recruiting players from the state of Texas..conference powerhouses are cyclical, right now its the SEC that is dominant, but it wasnt that long ago that it wasnt that way

Hew
01-16-2012, 03:13 PM
...right now its the SEC that is dominant, but it wasnt that long ago that it wasnt that way
I dunno....in the modern era (since 1950), the SEC has won 1 out of every 3 national titles (20 out of 61). And that's doing it with 6 different teams. I think it is more accurate to say the SEC has never been THIS dominant before. :D

BonMallari
01-16-2012, 03:23 PM
I dunno....in the modern era (since 1950), the SEC has won 1 out of every 3 national titles (20 out of 61). And that's doing it with 6 different teams. I think it is more accurate to say the SEC has never been THIS dominant before. :D

Yes and No...back when Nebraska and Oklahoma were running over everyone the Big 8 was very strong, and then came the state of Florida run where it seemed that the winner was either Miami- Free Shoes U or Gator Nation and only one of those schools is in the SEC...right now the SEC is the deeper conference, they have the premier programs with the best coaches and the best funding

M&K's Retrievers
01-16-2012, 04:55 PM
Yes and No...back when Nebraska and Oklahoma were running over everyone the Big 8 was very strong, and then came the state of Florida run where it seemed that the winner was either Miami- Free Shoes U or Gator Nation and only one of those schools is in the SEC...right now the SEC is the deeper conference, they have the premier programs with the best coaches and the best funding

Whatch u talkn' 'bout Willis? :p

mngundog
01-16-2012, 05:36 PM
I dunno....in the modern era (since 1950), the SEC has won 1 out of every 3 national titles (20 out of 61). And that's doing it with 6 different teams. I think it is more accurate to say the SEC has never been THIS dominant before. :D
What poll are you using?

Hew
01-16-2012, 08:51 PM
What poll are you using?
BCS and then prior to that mostly AP, but I'm sure there are some UPI in there too. Here's the site: http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/champions_national.html

mngundog
01-16-2012, 10:28 PM
BCS and then prior to that mostly AP, but I'm sure there are some UPI in there too. Here's the site: http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/champions_national.html
Yep, the UPI is in there also, I was just looking at the AP and they have them at 17.

LokiMeister
03-20-2012, 01:31 PM
Hew, our bet has taken a turn. I will let you off for half the C note.

Hew
03-20-2012, 02:15 PM
No thanks. I've got you right where I want you.

mngundog
03-21-2012, 10:37 PM
Well now be know Tebows value.

LokiMeister
09-10-2012, 09:35 AM
Hew, Tebow didn't start the first game so I have won the bet. Here is what I would like you to do: Send $100 to the Red Cross and PM me confirmation when you have done this.

Thanks and I won't rub it in. :D

LokiMeister
09-19-2012, 03:45 PM
Hew, you need to clear space in your PM folder. I am getting a bounce back that says this.