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road kill
12-13-2011, 07:53 AM
They pulled out of the Kyoto Treaty!!!



Canada quits Kyoto Climate Change Pact
Published 9:39 AM, 13 Dec 2011 Last update 3:55 PM, 13 Dec 2011


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Canada has become the first country to formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol, saying the pact on cutting carbon emissions is preventing the world from effectively tackling climate change.

Environment Minister Peter Kent announced on Monday that Canada was invoking its legal right to withdraw.

"Kyoto is not the path forward for a global solution to climate change," Kent said.


"If anything, it's an impediment.

"We believe that a new agreement with legally binding commitments for all major emitters that allows us as a country to continue to generate jobs and economic growth represents the path forward."

Canada, joined by Japan and Russia, said last year it would not accept new Kyoto commitments, but withdrawing from the accord is another setback to the treaty concluded with much fanfare in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997.

The protocol, which expires at the end of next year, is the only global treaty that sets down targeted curbs in global emissions, but those curbs apply only to rich countries, excluding the United States, which has refused to ratify the accord.

Canada's previous Liberal government signed the accord but did little to implement it and Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government never embraced it.

"The Kyoto Protocol does not cover the world's largest two emitters, United States and China, and therefore cannot work," Kent said.

Kent's announcement, which came day after marathon climate talks wrapped up in the South African city of Durban, was not a surprise.

Canada faced international criticism at the Durban talks amid reports it would pull out of Kyoto.

At the talks, negotiators from nearly 200 countries agreed on a deal that sets the world on a path to sign a new climate treaty by 2015 to replace the first Kyoto Protocol.

Kent said the Durban agreement does represent a path forward. Durban's accord envisions a new treaty with binding targets for all countries to take effect in 2020.

"It allows us to continue to create jobs and growth in Canada," Kent said.

Kent had said previously that signing the Kyoto Protocol on climate change was one of the previous government's biggest blunders.

Canada agreed under the Kyoto Protocol to reduce CO2 emissions to 6.0 per cent below 1990 levels by 2012, but its emissions of the gases blamed for damaging Earth's fragile climate system have instead increased sharply.

Harper's government last year unveiled its own measures aimed at curbing emissions, in line with US efforts.

The Kyoto accord requires countries to give a year's notice to withdraw. Kent said pulling out now saved Canada up to $US14 billion ($A13.94 billion) in penalties for not achieving its Kyoto targets.

Kent also cited major impacts on Canada's economy that will be avoided by withdrawing from the treaty.

"Under Kyoto, Canada is facing radical and irresponsible choices if we're to avoid punishing multi-billion-dollar payments," Kent said, noting that Canada produces barely two per cent of global emissions.

"To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car, and vehicle of every kind from Canadian roads or closing down the entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory, and building in Canada."

Harper's government is reluctant to hurt Canada's booming oil sands sector, which is the country's fastest growing source of greenhouse gases and a reason it has reneged on its Kyoto commitments.

Kent said he would not be surprised if other countries followed Canada in pulling out of Kyoto.

Kent's announcement drew immediate criticism from environmental groups.

Mike Hudema of Greenpeace Canada said in a statement that it was a further signal that the Harper government was more concerned about protecting polluters than people.

Hannah McKinnon of the Climate Action Network Canada said formally withdrawing from Kyoto after the Durban conference was a slap in the face of the international community.

"It's a total abdication of our responsibilities," McKinnon said.

The Durban conference on Sunday approved a roadmap towards an accord that for the first time will bring all major greenhouse-gas emitters under a single legal roof.

If approved as scheduled in 2015, the pact will be operational from 2020 and become the prime weapon in the fight against climate change.

Kent said that in the meantime, Canada would continue to try to reduce its emissions under a domestic plan that calls for a 20 per cent cut from 2006 levels by 2020, or as critics point out, a mere three per cent from 1990 levels.

The latest data last year showed that Canadian carbon emissions were currently up more than 35 per cent from 1990.



Now that's some ballz!!!!

Bravo, well done!!


RK

Buzz
12-13-2011, 08:24 AM
Seems that they believe in global warming, but they don't feel that the treaty will work. From the article:


"The Kyoto Protocol does not cover the world's largest two emitters, United States and China, and therefore cannot work," Kent said.

I guess they are smart enough not beat their heads against the wall.

Gerry Clinchy
12-13-2011, 08:52 AM
China and India, developing nations, feel they should be exempt from the Kyoto protocol because they "need" to develop.

So, effectively, the "already-developed" nations are being asked to reduce emissions (make their goods more expensive), so that the less developed nations can "catch up" in prosperity. Does that sound familiar?

The US is not part of the Kyoto protocol due to the action of Pres. Bush. Maybe something he did right?

Buzz
12-13-2011, 08:56 AM
China and India, developing nations, feel they should be exempt from the Kyoto protocol because they "need" to develop.

So, effectively, the "already-developed" nations are being asked to reduce emissions (make their goods more expensive), so that the less developed nations can "catch up" in prosperity. Does that sound familiar?

The US is not part of the Kyoto protocol due to the action of Pres. Bush. Maybe something he did right?

I agree that we should not take part if China refuses.

Gerry Clinchy
12-13-2011, 09:03 AM
China is burning coal like crazy.

Breck
12-19-2011, 05:15 PM
The Case of the Missing Carbon
from National Geographic

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/missing-carbon/#page=1

1tulip
12-26-2011, 10:05 PM
The Canadian economy was a joke back when Trudeau was in charge. I remember people making cracks about the "Loonie" being as good as Confederate money.

But they have made a conscious effort to use their natural resources to create jobs and revenue and they've turned their economy around. I know they have environmentalists up there like we do, but someone (or many someone's... like the voting public) had the spine to ignore them

We could do the same... only better, bigger, and faster than they did if we had the will. With the proper leadership we could exit this recession much faster than we entered it.

road kill
12-27-2011, 08:10 AM
The Canadian economy was a joke back when Trudeau was in charge. I remember people making cracks about the "Loonie" being as good as Confederate money.

But they have made a conscious effort to use their natural resources to create jobs and revenue and they've turned their economy around. I know they have environmentalists up there like we do, but someone (or many someone's... like the voting public) had the spine to ignore them

We could do the same... only better, bigger, and faster than they did if we had the will. With the proper leadership we could exit this recession much faster than we entered it.
Rescind Obamacare, open drilling in the Gulf and ANWAR....economy fixed!!!

(guaruntee you some progressive will make a smarmy comment:cool:)

YES!!!!!!
It's that simple..........


RK

Uncle Bill
12-27-2011, 04:34 PM
The Canadian economy was a joke back when Trudeau was in charge. I remember people making cracks about the "Loonie" being as good as Confederate money.

But they have made a conscious effort to use their natural resources to create jobs and revenue and they've turned their economy around. I know they have environmentalists up there like we do, but someone (or many someone's... like the voting public) had the spine to ignore them

We could do the same... only better, bigger, and faster than they did if we had the will. With the proper leadership we could exit this recession much faster than we entered it.


You have stated the recipe.

First...make the 2012 elections worthwhile. It's this nation's only chance at getting 'proper leadership'.

Second...Once that's done, just stand back and watch a great country rebound. The transformation will be amazing.

UB

1tulip
12-27-2011, 11:20 PM
You have stated the recipe.

First...make the 2012 elections worthwhile. It's this nation's only chance at getting 'proper leadership'.

Second...Once that's done, just stand back and watch a great country rebound. The transformation will be amazing.

UB

Oh, from your lips to God's ears. This recession is just grinding good people down in our part of the country. NV unemployment runs around 13-14%, highest in the nation. A neighboring county to ours has officially 20% unemployment (so, add on the ones who stopped looking for work or are under-employed... could easily be one person out of three.)

Right up the road from us, in that very county, there is a very rich gold/silver deposit that has proven value in the billions. It's around the site of the old Comstock Lode of Virginia City fame. The idiots in VC are trying everything to shut the project down, even though the mining company has complied with every study, every requirement for land preservation and restoration. The actual extraction will take place over a ridge, out of sight of the historic district.

What is with people that they can't see how their neighbors and community are suffering? That they don't see the connection between production and a solid society and healthy culture.

Fools! Content to pretend their economy and welfare can rest on a 6 month tourist season and some faux gun-slingers.

Ugh. Sorry for the rant.

Uncle Bill
12-28-2011, 03:24 PM
Oh, from your lips to God's ears. This recession is just grinding good people down in our part of the country. NV unemployment runs around 13-14%, highest in the nation. A neighboring county to ours has officially 20% unemployment (so, add on the ones who stopped looking for work or are under-employed... could easily be one person out of three.)

Right up the road from us, in that very county, there is a very rich gold/silver deposit that has proven value in the billions. It's around the site of the old Comstock Lode of Virginia City fame. The idiots in VC are trying everything to shut the project down, even though the mining company has complied with every study, every requirement for land preservation and restoration. The actual extraction will take place over a ridge, out of sight of the historic district.

What is with people that they can't see how their neighbors and community are suffering? That they don't see the connection between production and a solid society and healthy culture.

Fools! Content to pretend their economy and welfare can rest on a 6 month tourist season and some faux gun-slingers.

Ugh. Sorry for the rant.


WRONGO!!! KEEP RANTING AND GET MANY, MANY, MANY OTHERS WITH YOUR VIEWS ENLISTED TO HELP YOU RANT EVEN LOUDER!!!

If we don't, who will? Obama told the world to avoid Las Vegas like the palgue when he was first elected. How soon the public has forgotten that, and the MSP will never again repeat that 'blunder'. Top that off with his airport screening fiasco, and the transportation of choice by the majority of the visitors and players to Vegas has almost shut down.

Our Broadcasters Annual convention is always held in Vegas. I used to get on the plane every year, even after I was retired, just go and oogle the new equipment, and visit with the vendors. But no more. My last plane ride occured several years ago to Memphis for the annual HRC convention. I vowed it would be the final time I stand in line with my shoes off to board anything.

Right now, there is a company that has available a retina scanning machine tha could replace the entire frisking system that's being used. It would be much faster, once it gets implemented, and would have passengers at ease and traveling comfortably once again. I have no idea what's holding it up, but I suspect it has to do with a government hang up somewhere.

Keep on 'ranting' Tulip. We need all the help we can get, or the ignorant fools in this nation will again elect this empty suit who will run us over the cliff. We have far too many Buzz followers that think we can tax our way out of this problem.

UB

JMiller
12-29-2011, 09:05 PM
jobs over all! Once the economy is back we can argue about the rest