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Uncle Bill
12-20-2011, 02:06 PM
...here's an endorsement! Gotta wonder about the value of these as well???

UB

Liberal Iowa Newspaper Backs Romney for GOP Nomination.




Iowa's liberal-leaning newspaper, the Des Moines Register, which endorsed Barack Obama for president in 2008, has endorsed Mitt Romney for the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses.

In giving its endorsement on Saturday, the paper cited Romney’s "sobriety, wisdom and judgment" and noted that he graduated from the Ivy League, finishing "in the top 5 percent in his MBA class at Harvard."

The Register said that, although Romney is not a Democrat, he has distinguished himself from others in the GOP field because "he offers smart and well-reasoned alternatives rather than simply proposing to swing a wrecking ball in Washington . . . His detailed policy paper on the economy contains 87 pages of carefully crafted positions on taxes, energy, trade and regulatory policy, complete with 127 footnotes."

The paper applauded Romney for his controversial healthcare program he instituted and mandated as governor of Massachusetts.

"He helped create healthcare reform in Massachusetts that is strikingly similar to the much-derided 'Obamacare,' for example. Yet Romney argues reasonably, though not entirely persuasively, that while all states should be free to experiment with their own reforms, it is wrong for the federal government to force a one-size-fits-all plan on the entire nation," the paper's editorial said.

The editorial also noted that Romney may have to overcome claims that he is a "flip-flopper," and detailed his strong stance in favor of abortion rights before and after he became governor of Massachusetts.

The editorial cited Romney's strong support of a healthcare program similar to President Barack Obama's as a key reason for the newspaper's endorsement: "While other Republican candidates are content to bash the president’s health reform law without offering meaningful reforms of their own, Romney has defended the principal goal of the Massachusetts healthcare legislation, which was to ensure that all residents there had access to healthcare."

The Romney endorsement may not be such a coup for the Republican aspirant, however. The Des Moines Register has a strong editorial history of backing President Obama and endorsed him during the 2008 presidential race.

"Obama has earned the Register's endorsement for the presidency because of his steadfastness in the face of uncertainty, his clear-eyed vision for a more just America and his potential for rallying the country to do great things," the paper's 2008 endorsement read.

Gerry Clinchy
12-20-2011, 02:21 PM
"Obama has earned the Register's endorsement for the presidency because of his steadfastness in the face of uncertainty, his clear-eyed vision for a more just America and his potential for rallying the country to do great things," the paper's 2008 endorsement read.

Generic enough that you could just substitute Romney's name ... if I were a R candidate, I'm not sure I'd be tickled to get the endorsement of a paper like this :-)

JMiller
12-29-2011, 10:09 PM
Can't trust romeney. Too many flip flops. I'd like Newt better if he didn't have the personal baggage.

JMiller
12-29-2011, 10:10 PM
Santorum soudns good. Saw him out shooting a couple of days ago! That says something

BonMallari
12-29-2011, 10:14 PM
Santorum soudns good. Saw him out shooting a couple of days ago! That says something

may I remind you they did the same photo op with John Kerry, hunting a few years back, Harry Reid backed the NRA and built a world class skeet/trap facility in Las Vegas...just because someone shoots a gun isnt enough for me

charly_t
12-29-2011, 11:44 PM
Santorum soudns good. Saw him out shooting a couple of days ago! That says something

A few years back he sponsored a bill that was supposed to be something to help put "puppy millers" out of business but in reality would have made it difficult for anyone breeding dog. I remember how we wrote letters to get this stopped. He was helping animal rights people in the long run. I would not back him for anything.


edited to add..........if there was such a thing as "skunk catcher" in our town I would back him for that.

Gerry Clinchy
12-30-2011, 09:09 AM
A few years back he sponsored a bill that was supposed to be something to help put "puppy millers" out of business but in reality would have made it difficult for anyone breeding dog. I remember how we wrote letters to get this stopped. He was helping animal rights people in the long run. I would not back him for anything.


Yes, I recall that, too. If we could educate him better on that topic, and could harness his "passion" for that, it could be a plus.

As with many politicians, they may have a poor understanding of what hobby breeders really do. Gov. Rendell in PA got two (I believe) Goldens from our local rescue ... yet he let through a PA bill that would hurt hobby breeders in that regard. So, even when we think the politician might "understand", they turn out to be very uninformed about what is the "real world".

road kill
12-30-2011, 09:52 AM
Can't trust romeney. Too many flip flops. I'd like Newt better if he didn't have the personal baggage.

By "personal baggage," do you mean his "flip flops?":rolleyes:


Try to make some sense, though not a requirement to post here, it will help us understand.


RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-30-2011, 10:03 AM
Sorry Stan....but that one don't quite cut the muster.

Jake

road kill
12-30-2011, 02:09 PM
Sorry Stan....but that one don't quite cut the muster.

Jake

We should do one of Buzz's charts.

Let's see who has "flip-flopped" more, Romney or Gingrich, shall we???

Muster cuttin' regards........



RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-30-2011, 04:03 PM
Sure please do....

shall we take into account Newt's entire political career dating back to the 78 when he was 1st elected out of Georgia and compare that to Mitt's short stint as Gov.

Or

Do we include Mitt's flip flop's in an equal time frame?????

Given that Newt has had more oppertunities to "change his mind" I am sure the scale will be skewed....


head's or tails regards,

Jake

PS..."personal baggage" I think was in reference to his "personal life" which I and all should not hold our breath about ANYONE...because we condem those that protray the same "character flaws" we see in ourselves...if you want the perfect canidate your gonna wait a long time and in the end be found wanting!!!!!!!

BonMallari
12-30-2011, 04:08 PM
we can quibble all day long about who flipped and who flopped....but the bottom line is did they change their mind in the direction that matches your ideology....after all Ronald Reagan flipped flopped from a Dem to a Republican, and he turned out ok ;)

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-30-2011, 04:15 PM
we can quibble all day long about who flipped and who flopped....but the bottom line is did they change their mind in the direction that matches your ideology....after all Ronald Reagan flipped flopped from a Dem to a Republican, and he turned out ok ;)

Absolutly the truth....

Like, I used to think Marajauna was OK.....there was nothing wrong with it...it does less damage than alcohol (on a death assoicated with it perspective).

I have changed my mind about that....Is is NOT OK, it does have negative effects...it completly strips people of their will power to do more, be more and achieve more....it makes people complacient and takes away your drive to succede!!!!!!!!!! (medically I don't see a harm anymore than smoking tabbacco)

I guess that makes me a "flip-floper"

Jake

charly_t
12-30-2011, 04:20 PM
Absolutly the truth....

Like, I used to think Marajauna was OK.....there was nothing wrong with it...it does less damage than alcohol (on a death assoicated with it perspective).

I have changed my mind about that....Is is NOT OK, it does have negative effects...it completly strips people of their will power to do more, be more and achieve more....it makes people complacient and takes away your drive to succede!!!!!!!!!! (medically I don't see a harm anymore than smoking tabbacco)

I guess that makes me a "flip-floper"

Jake

Ditto ! Seen it happen with family............bad stuff in the long run but on the other hand have a relative by marriage who I wish would go smoke some weed ever day. ( That's another joke........sort of, TIC )

road kill
12-30-2011, 04:21 PM
Absolutly the truth....

Like, I used to think Marajauna was OK.....there was nothing wrong with it...it does less damage than alcohol (on a death assoicated with it perspective).

I have changed my mind about that....Is is NOT OK, it does have negative effects...it completly strips people of their will power to do more, be more and achieve more....it makes people complacient and takes away your drive to succede!!!!!!!!!! (medically I don't see a harm anymore than smoking tabbacco)

I guess that makes me a "flip-floper"

Jake

In the real world that is called maturing.

But it seems odd that one mans "flip flop" is OK for another man cause.......(insert rationalization):rolleyes:



RK