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Uncle Bill
01-13-2012, 03:02 PM
The Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago gun ban, this Marine offered a letter that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.

Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .

Please read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter....


Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for an [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

Gerry Clinchy
01-13-2012, 05:07 PM
In the news today, an 82-yr old in FL woke at 6 am hearing an intruder trying to enter his home. Loaded his gun & shot once through the door, killing the intruder. The intruder was believed to have been responsible for other burglaries in the neighborhood. He had burglary tools on him.

Cody Covey
01-13-2012, 06:07 PM
In the news today, an 82-yr old in FL woke at 6 am hearing an intruder trying to enter his home. Loaded his gun & shot once through the door, killing the intruder. The intruder was believed to have been responsible for other burglaries in the neighborhood. He had burglary tools on him.

Nice it turned out well but shooting through a door is about the most stupid thing you could do. What if it was someone you know on the other side of the door or something...This is how family members get shot.

Gerry Clinchy
01-13-2012, 06:40 PM
Cody, that's all the story reported. Evidently, he had also called 911.

01-13-2012, 07:00 PM
That is an excellent article. Young woman here in Oklahoma whoes husband died of cancer on Christmas day had an occasion to use a gun recently. She and her 3 month old baby were at home when two men tried to break into her home. One of them did so. She had pushed a divan up to the front door. One made it into the room but she was ready for them. She had two guns with her ( I don't know what kind ). She had called 911 and asked what she could do to protect herself. The 911 operator told her to do what she had to do to protect herself and her baby. That man who made it into her house met a heavy dose of lead. The other one ran. They had thought that since her husband died of cancer that there would be meds for them to steal in the house. Wrong house for them to break into.

Gerry Clinchy
01-13-2012, 07:56 PM
I saw that story, too. Isn't it odd that she felt she needed to ask the 911 operator what she was permitted to do when a man was coming at her with a knife? (as I recall that was the weapon he had).

01-13-2012, 10:52 PM
She is young, very young to be by herself with a baby. Sis and I talked about this. I know what we were taught to do but maybe this girl never had parents etc. to tell her to stand up for herself. I'd say she learned pretty quick and pretty good. I hope that people do not hold this against her. She will suffer for doing this though. Did you see how she was shaking ? I hope she has family to help her deal with this plus some professional help also.