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luvmylabs23139
01-24-2012, 09:29 PM
BUMMA is a jerk. Aready kissing the Unions, reusing to talk about the 47% that pay ZERO federal taxes, whining about those that work hard. Oh, now he's trying to buy NC.

featherqwest
01-24-2012, 09:36 PM
Well at least NC is a nice place to live. I hated leaving for this NC for the Mass hole state. I guess you would call me a white piece of Yankee trash now.....:-) He keeps my hubby employed so come on.... He is from Hawaii for god sake. Shaka Bra.... The people up here think I am from the South. I am from South Dakota. Bumma and Mitt. Hopefully NC will come back soon. Boston and DC are going great!!

luvmylabs23139
01-24-2012, 09:36 PM
Can't he just shut up? All I hear is him spending more money! I'm taxed enough, let him go get it from the non paying leaches!
OH now he wants to let law breaking illegals be legal. Deport them all today. 24 hours to produce the papers they are required to carry by law or throw them back!

DaveHare
01-24-2012, 09:46 PM
Can't he just shut up? All I hear is him spending more money! I'm taxed enough, let him go get it from the non paying leaches!
OH now he wants to let law breaking illegals be legal. Deport them all today. 24 hours to produce the papers they are required to carry by law or throw them back!

It"s the same old Bull**** these words are getting very old to me. It is all about getting more money!!!
Dave Hare

luvmylabs23139
01-24-2012, 09:51 PM
Well at least NC is a nice place to live. I hated leaving for this NC for the Mass hole state. I guess you would call me a white piece of Yankee trash now.....:-) He keeps my hubby employed so come on.... He is from Hawaii for god sake. Shaka Bra.... The people up here think I am from the South. I am from South Dakota. Bumma and Mitt. Hopefully NC will come back soon. Boston and DC are going great!!
I escaped CT more than 15 years ago! I'm so glad I got out. I still have to go back to visit family but I hate almost everything about being there the entire time!

luvmylabs23139
01-24-2012, 10:00 PM
More of his class warfare garbage. Eliminate those darn refundable child credits you bum!

Gerry Clinchy
01-24-2012, 11:22 PM
Did anyone else see the news about the millions upon millions of unpaid taxes from: congressional staffers, Federal employees, military, and retired Fed employees & retired military? I think the whole amount came to around $2 billion just for these groups. A few more billion from others who are delinquent on their taxes.

Down East Labs 217
01-25-2012, 05:32 AM
Did anyone else see the news about the millions upon millions of unpaid taxes from: congressional staffers, Federal employees, military, and retired Fed employees & retired military? I think the whole amount came to around $2 billion just for these groups. A few more billion from others who are delinquent on their taxes.

That is a very small group when you look at the amount of citizens in the US that cheat on their taxes. By the way you show me a person that doesn't cheat on his or her taxes and I will point at a person who is not as honest as you think. Everyone cheats a little. Let everyone pay what they really owe and the problem is solved.

Richard

Mike Tome
01-25-2012, 07:17 AM
Did anyone else see the news about the millions upon millions of unpaid taxes from: congressional staffers, Federal employees, military, and retired Fed employees & retired military? I think the whole amount came to around $2 billion just for these groups. A few more billion from others who are delinquent on their taxes.

Nice.... Blame federal workers for something that happens in all classes of Americans.

A proud federal employee

caryalsobrook
01-25-2012, 08:17 AM
Nice.... Blame federal workers for something that happens in all classes of Americans.

A proud federal employee

Federal workers should not be blamed any more than private employees. however there are far, far to many of them that have to be supported by the private sector.

Uncle Bill
01-25-2012, 08:45 AM
That is a very small group when you look at the amount of citizens in the US that cheat on their taxes. By the way you show me a person that doesn't cheat on his or her taxes and I will point at a person who is not as honest as you think. Everyone cheats a little. Let everyone pay what they really owe and the problem is solved.

Richard

Sorry to say, that won't be happening until most of Congress, especially the Senate has been changed, and we have REAL tax reform, along the lines of a flat tax. That's the only way, some of the 49% might have some skin in the game and realize EVERYONE needs to start pulling the wagon rather than just riding in it.

UB

Ken Bora
01-25-2012, 08:50 AM
Well at least NC is a nice place to live. I hated leaving for this NC for the Mass hole state. I guess you would call me a white piece of Yankee trash now....!!


My Grandfather had an old Vermonter expression, that would fit here......
(we ran hounds back in the day for Coon, Cat, Bear and Bunny.)
he would say.... "Just because a stray followed the hounds home, doesn't mean you're going to give it a plate of stew." ;-) ;-) :cool:
 
 
 
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Buzz
01-25-2012, 09:02 AM
That is a very small group when you look at the amount of citizens in the US that cheat on their taxes. By the way you show me a person that doesn't cheat on his or her taxes and I will point at a person who is not as honest as you think. Everyone cheats a little. Let everyone pay what they really owe and the problem is solved.

Richard

I do not recall ever cheating on my taxes, even a little bit... Even in years when I did a little consulting on the side.

road kill
01-25-2012, 09:09 AM
I do not recall ever cheating on my taxes, even a little bit... Even in years when I did a little consulting on the side.

Believe it or not Buzz, neither have I.
But as far as I can tell, I never overpayed either!!;)


RK

dixidawg
01-25-2012, 09:24 AM
Did any of the speech sound familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDRiGIUYQo

Gerry Clinchy
01-25-2012, 09:58 AM
By the way you show me a person that doesn't cheat on his or her taxes and I will point at a person who is not as honest as you think. Everyone cheats a little. Let everyone pay what they really owe and the problem is solved.


Maybe these people cheat, or maybe they don't ... these numbers are for the ones who simply don't pay (after they may have cheated on how much they owe?). We could look on the bright side: they did file a return; otherwise we wouldn't know that they had not paid the taxes due :-)


Federal workers should not be blamed any more than private employees. however there are far, far to many of them that have to be supported by the private sector.

The point made in the article is that since their income source is the Federal govt, that it seems only reasonable that they should pay their taxes to continue to contribute to the funds that allow them to be employed.

Since all employees have paycheck deductions, it might appear that the unpaid taxes for Federal employees are the "additional" taxes they should have paid. As I noted, the groups mentioned seem to come to about $2 billion. Total delinquent taxes, across the board, are MUCH more.

Seems like there is one group of Fed employees that are not quite doing their job ... the IRS. Maybe (as Newt might suggest) we should turn this function over the American Express as well :-)

menmon
01-25-2012, 10:34 AM
Can't he just shut up? All I hear is him spending more money! I'm taxed enough, let him go get it from the non paying leaches!
OH now he wants to let law breaking illegals be legal. Deport them all today. 24 hours to produce the papers they are required to carry by law or throw them back!

He wants to cut your taxes but the republicans won't let him. He wants tax revenue to come from those best capable of paying it, but the republicans don't. Those non-paying leaches you refer to have 7 figure incomes but pay less than you do as a percentage of income. You are backing the wrong horses for your situation, but cable news has convinced you that he is your problem, when he has your back much more than you think.

road kill
01-25-2012, 10:37 AM
He wants to cut your taxes but the republicans won't let him. He wants tax revenue to come from those best capable of paying it, but the republicans don't. Those non-paying leaches you refer to have 7 figure incomes but pay less than you do as a percentage of income. You are backing the wrong horses for your situation, but cable news has convinced you that he is your problem, when he has your back much more than you think.
Some people don't like it that way!!!!:cool:


RK

menmon
01-25-2012, 10:48 AM
Sorry to say, that won't be happening until most of Congress, especially the Senate has been changed, and we have REAL tax reform, along the lines of a flat tax. That's the only way, some of the 49% might have some skin in the game and realize EVERYONE needs to start pulling the wagon rather than just riding in it.

UB

Yea yea yea....we saw tax reform last time they had control and we heard the same old sh#t from them too. Everything will be good if the republicans get back in the saddle...bla bla bla bla

The one thing that he hit on last night that could have a real impact on our economyand getting people working again is allowing the people thats home valuations are in the tank and non-refinanciable, to get interest rate relief through refinancing.

There are a huge number of people that are good credit risk that are missing out on the low martgage rates because the housing market in their towns have not recovered and by the time they do, it may be too late to capitalize on the lower rates.

Some serious thought needs to be given to this, and if something can be accomplished, think how big a shot to the arm our economy will get with people refinancing at 2%+ lower mortgage rates.

I'm not hearing republicans thinking about these things, so be careful before you throw this guy out, he has the working mans back.

Buzz
01-25-2012, 12:24 PM
The one thing that he hit on last night that could have a real impact on our economyand getting people working again is allowing the people thats home valuations are in the tank and non-refinanciable, to get interest rate relief through refinancing.

There are a huge number of people that are good credit risk that are missing out on the low martgage rates because the housing market in their towns have not recovered and by the time they do, it may be too late to capitalize on the lower rates.

Some serious thought needs to be given to this, and if something can be accomplished, think how big a shot to the arm our economy will get with people refinancing at 2%+ lower mortgage rates.

I'm not hearing republicans thinking about these things, so be careful before you throw this guy out, he has the working mans back.

I had 20 years left on my mortgage. I refinanced at 3.75% fixed, dropped my payment by $50/month and took 5 years off the loan. I now have a 15 year term. If that 2% you're quoting is a fixed rate, I screwed the pooch...

menmon
01-25-2012, 01:47 PM
I had 20 years left on my mortgage. I refinanced at 3.75% fixed, dropped my payment by $50/month and took 5 years off the loan. I now have a 15 year term. If that 2% you're quoting is a fixed rate, I screwed the pooch...

2% lower than you had been paying...problem is most americans can't because the value of their homes have declined, therefore they cannot refinance without paying down their loans

charly_t
01-25-2012, 01:55 PM
Believe it or not Buzz, neither have I.
But as far as I can tell, I never overpayed either!!;)


RK

We have never cheated on our taxes either. They have questioned us.......we could not produce all of our receipts one year when they decided to audit us..........made me mad the way they acted ( I was in my early 20s ) and I told them you will never find us without a receipt for everything again. Next time I will do like my sister-in-law....bring out many shoe boxes with everything mixed together etc. ;-)

Brad Turner
01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
2% lower than you had been paying...problem is most americans can't because the value of their homes have declined, therefore they cannot refinance without paying down their loans

None of these people can buy homes at any interest rate if the don't have income from a job.

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 02:17 PM
He wants to cut your taxes but the republicans won't let him. He wants tax revenue to come from those best capable of paying it, but the republicans don't. Those non-paying leaches you refer to have 7 figure incomes but pay less than you do as a percentage of income. You are backing the wrong horses for your situation, but cable news has convinced you that he is your problem, when he has your back much more than you think.



I want the leaches to stop getting a redistribution socialist check.
That refundable child credit crap! If anything they should pay more since they use the dept of ED not me!

Buzz
01-25-2012, 02:32 PM
This isn't the first time I have heard folks who have not had kids complain about child credits. I always just chuckle and shake my head.

I think they call that "envy."

HPL
01-25-2012, 02:56 PM
I want the leaches to stop getting a redistribution socialist check.
That refundable child credit crap! If anything they should pay more since they use the dept of ED not me!
Although my wife and I elected to not have children, I am OK with the deduction for the first two children. However, after that no more deductions and after three I would take away a deduction for each additional child.

Brad Turner
01-25-2012, 03:10 PM
People that have jobs and four kids are not a problem. People who draw welfare checks and have four kids are a big problem.

charly_t
01-25-2012, 03:39 PM
People that have jobs and four kids are not a problem. People who draw welfare checks and have four kids are a big problem.


Good post. I agree 100%. Perhaps we should do away with this perk for anyone. Of course I think eveyone should work except those too ill etc.
Anyone not making a big effort to do their part does not eat.

paul young
01-25-2012, 03:43 PM
I want the leaches to stop getting a redistribution socialist check.
That refundable child credit crap! If anything they should pay more since they use the dept of ED not me!

you could take care of that. just move back to Great Britain. you don't really want to be here anyway. if you did want to be here, after all these years of gravy sucking in our country, you would have become a citizen.

stop your whining! you come off as a spoiled brat!-Paul

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 03:45 PM
This isn't the first time I have heard folks who have not had kids complain about child credits. I always just chuckle and shake my head.

I think they call that "envy."


NO it is wanting to get rid of the refundable tax credit. They already get a dependent deduction. By the way Bush started it but Obumma increased it.
I want them to pay for their kids not me through socialist redistribution!

Golddogs
01-25-2012, 03:57 PM
BUMMA is a jerk. Aready kissing the Unions, reusing to talk about the 47% that pay ZERO federal taxes, whining about those that work hard. Oh, now he's trying to buy NC.


Not a fan, but he singled out one of the more powerful unions telling them it is time to cut the dead wood from the ranks. Speaking of teachers. Culling the poor teachers is LONG overdue.

Looking like a stimulating year on the beltway regards

Uncle Bill
01-25-2012, 08:14 PM
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January 25, 2012
The Real State of the Union
by Newt Gingrich
Dear William L.,
As a member of Congress I sat through 20 State of the Union addresses. I listened to Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton. Four of those I spent sitting behind the president as Speaker of the House.
During each of the four years I was speaker, it was President Clinton who delivered the State of the Union address.
I can tell you firsthand that it is very challenging to be the Republican Speaker of the House sitting directly behind a Democratic president as he delivers his biggest speech of the year. There are more pitfalls than you might imagine.
On the one hand, the speaker sitting behind the president has to be positive and polite because he (or she) is technically the host and represents the entire House. That is a nonpartisan responsibility.
On the other hand, I was, like Speaker Boehner last night, a Republican and a conservative who found a lot of what a liberal president said the opposite of what I believed. I couldn't be seen applauding or smiling while the president said things I opposed.
All this is made more complicated by two facts about State of the Union addresses.
First, presidents try to find popular unifying statements which will bring the entire Congress to its feet on both sides of the aisle, and the speakers behind the president often find themselves standing and applauding him on national television simply because it wouldn't make sense to ignore these statements.
Yet second, the liberal president will almost certainly attack the Republican speaker's party, and will do so to the great excitement and enthusiasm of his fellow Democrats. If your face suggests that you're bothered by the president's attacks on your party, everyone will see your reaction on television. Few other people in the chamber have to think so much about what their faces are doing.
I know the State of the Union was always one of the hardest things I did. I suspect President Obama's ideological extremism makes it even harder for Speaker Boehner.
President Obama's class warfare, his commitment to raising taxes, increasing regulation and his failed ideology make his vision for America one of the most radical in our history. The vision he describes is for fundamentally changing our country.
I sure wouldn't want to sit behind him as he described that.
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caryalsobrook
01-25-2012, 09:21 PM
you could take care of that. just move back to Great Britain. you don't really want to be here anyway. if you did want to be here, after all these years of gravy sucking in our country, you would have become a citizen.

stop your whining! you come off as a spoiled brat!-Paul

For a minute there I thought you were talking about the ILLEGAL alliens. guess I was wrong.:mad:

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 09:56 PM
you could take care of that. just move back to Great Britain. you don't really want to be here anyway. if you did want to be here, after all these years of gravy sucking in our country, you would have become a citizen.

stop your whining! you come off as a spoiled brat!-Paul


Oh, as one of the people who actually pay federal income taxes I'm the spoiled brat? Those that take money from the real taxpayers are the spoiled brats. Time to end the gravy train for the leaches!

Typical liberal!

paul young
01-25-2012, 10:15 PM
Oh, as one of the people who actually pay federal income taxes I'm the spoiled brat? Those that take money from the real taxpayers are the spoiled brats. Time to end the gravy train for the leaches!

Typical liberal!

why don't you tell us all why you refuse to become a U.S. citizen, but feel that you can insult the office of the president of our country with slurs like "obongolo" and "obumma"?
you are NOT one of us, no matter what you think. you are adrift in the world. you are neither English nor American. and you ARE a whiner! everyone on here pays taxes. BIG DEAL!

if you can't be bothered to become a citizen, what you have to say is not worth my time. you are now the first and only person on my ignore list.

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 10:21 PM
why don't you tell us all why you refuse to become a U.S. citizen, but feel that you can insult the office of the president of our country with slurs like "obongolo" and "obumma"?
you are NOT one of us, no matter what you think. you are adrift in the world. you are neither English nor American. and you ARE a whiner! everyone on here pays taxes. BIG DEAL!

if you can't be bothered to become a citizen, what you have to say is not worth my time. you are now the first and only person on my ignore list.


hmm, 47 % PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES! dID YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM? What about the ones that actually have a NEGATIVE federal tax bill?
HAppy to be on your ignore list. Your right I'm not English or American, I happen to be Scotish.

HPL
01-25-2012, 10:37 PM
Have to say that if he is here legally, pays his taxes, and obeys the laws, citizen or not, he has the right to comment on the system. (Are Scots Brits?)

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 10:44 PM
Have to say that if he is here legally, pays his taxes, and obeys the laws, citizen or not, he has the right to comment on the system. (Are Scots Brits?)


Scots are Brits but not English!

luvmylabs23139
01-25-2012, 10:46 PM
For a minute there I thought you were talking about the ILLEGAL alliens. guess I was wrong.:mad:


Oh he's just all bent because the mayor of East Haven wanted Tacos for dinner last night!
He's probably a pal of the mayor of New Haven who wants to let illegals vote.

Franco
01-26-2012, 07:30 PM
I just saw a report on Fox Business that the Government Motors stock owned by the American tax payer is worth just under $25. per share. That it would have to be worth $54. per share for us to get our money back.

That is a HUGE gap!

Looks like to me we donated over 40BILLION to the UAW!

I wonder who they will support in 2012?:mad:

Matt McKenzie
01-26-2012, 07:51 PM
This isn't the first time I have heard folks who have not had kids complain about child credits. I always just chuckle and shake my head.

I think they call that "envy."

I have children. I can afford my children. Giving a tax discount for having children is ridiculous (as are most deductions). The EIC is even worse. Our tax code encourages people who cannot afford children to do so. Why should we reward someone for irresponsible behavior? Why should I get a discount because I pay a mortgage? It ins't the Federal government's job to encourage me to buy a home. All these tax deductions accomplish is allow politicians to buy votes. And we allow it because it sometimes benefits us in the short term. But it screws the nation in the long term. It amazes me that we argue about corporate tax deductions or personal tax deductions depending on which party you happen to belong to. What we should be asking for is a simple tax code. We can decide if it should be a progressive income tax or a national sales tax or whatever, but it should be simple and fixed so that our politicians cannot manipulate us and use the tax code as a weapon. THAT is what we should be screaming for.

caryalsobrook
01-27-2012, 02:56 AM
I have children. I can afford my children. Giving a tax discount for having children is ridiculous (as are most deductions). The EIC is even worse. Our tax code encourages people who cannot afford children to do so. Why should we reward someone for irresponsible behavior? Why should I get a discount because I pay a mortgage? It ins't the Federal government's job to encourage me to buy a home. All these tax deductions accomplish is allow politicians to buy votes. And we allow it because it sometimes benefits us in the short term. But it screws the nation in the long term. It amazes me that we argue about corporate tax deductions or personal tax deductions depending on which party you happen to belong to. What we should be asking for is a simple tax code. We can decide if it should be a progressive income tax or a national sales tax or whatever, but it should be simple and fixed so that our politicians cannot manipulate us and use the tax code as a weapon. THAT is what we should be screaming for.
The income tax does nothing but create dependence of the individual on gov. and allows the gov to control the individual. kWords like "progressive" tax, "regressive" tax, corporate "raiders", ect. Nothing but BS. Buzz (not the individual) words for gov. control.

The simplest kind of tax is a consumption tax(a form of sales tax). Open and transparent(where have I heard those words). the rich consume more then they pay more tax. No 70,000 pages of tax deductions. No tax on savings. Nowhere have I heard anybody say that saving is a bad thing. but after they save then they are considered rich and calls for taxing them for saving are heard.

Buzz likes the child tax deduction and calls it envy by those who complain that they have no children so they can claim the tax deduction. Those who favor the death tax like it just as long as the exemption is greater than the value of their estate. I asked Buzz to give one reason for an exemption from the estate tax given the arguements for one. I even said that I would not complain about an estate tax so long since the those who SAVED and created his estate paid the same estate tax. NO ANSWER. those that promote the extate tax do so, so long as the exemption is greater than the value of their estate. the buzz word is "tax me less and tax those economically above me more. Well if you pay income taxes then there is 50% below you Buz and YOU are the rich they talk about. How does that feel?

We may never get away from the income tax and the 70,000 pages of growing tax code. We all know it is a broken system. Actually we all know it cannot be fixed. We have all been indoctrinated by gov. control to look for those parts of the 70,000 pages of deductions that make us feel better and decry those deductions as loopholes that we are envious that others can take advantage. the question is will it eventually bring down this country or turn it into a Greece or Italy.

Gerry Clinchy
01-27-2012, 12:44 PM
Why should I get a discount because I pay a mortgage?

If someone pays rent of $1000, and they can afford a mortgage of $1000/mo. They get a deduction for interest and property taxes. Certainly should get a deduction for property taxes (double taxation).

In owning their home, individuals have more control over their local taxation and local govt spending of those tax dollars. Isn't that better than concentrating the control in the hands of a smaller group of people (landlords)?

Home construction does create jobs. You might call it a form of "manufacturing" that actually keeps the jobs and "product" here, not in India.

That worked out fine as long as people bought homes within their means.

I do not favor allowing a tax deduction beyond a certain annual amount of interest. A basic home is a reasonable expectation, let's say using a median price (available stats from private sector sources).

Also I do not favor deductions for TWO homes. It's reasonable to aspire to own a roof over your head. If you want a vacation home, then you can afford to do so without extra perks? This particular tax benefit accrues greatly to some 535 people in Washington, DC :-) ... which they wouldn't need if they didn't make politics a lifetime career. (Investment properties are a different category: they are a "business" for the owner).

Matt McKenzie
01-27-2012, 02:19 PM
If someone pays rent of $1000, and they can afford a mortgage of $1000/mo. They get a deduction for interest and property taxes. Certainly should get a deduction for property taxes (double taxation).

In owning their home, individuals have more control over their local taxation and local govt spending of those tax dollars. Isn't that better than concentrating the control in the hands of a smaller group of people (landlords)?

Home construction does create jobs. You might call it a form of "manufacturing" that actually keeps the jobs and "product" here, not in India.

That worked out fine as long as people bought homes within their means.

I do not favor allowing a tax deduction beyond a certain annual amount of interest. A basic home is a reasonable expectation, let's say using a median price (available stats from private sector sources).

Also I do not favor deductions for TWO homes. It's reasonable to aspire to own a roof over your head. If you want a vacation home, then you can afford to do so without extra perks? This particular tax benefit accrues greatly to some 535 people in Washington, DC :-) ... which they wouldn't need if they didn't make politics a lifetime career. (Investment properties are a different category: they are a "business" for the owner).

That point makes sense if you believe that it is a function of the federal government to encourage home ownership. If so, why?
Why does it make sense for local government to tax a home and then have the federal government give a deduction from income tax for the tax that was taken? That's just a shell game. See, if they make it complicated enough, we won't know what to question.
I believe that our choices are our own and I resent our elected representatives attempting to manipulate my choices using the tax code. I resent them buying votes with the tax code. I resent my fellow citizens who ignore the abuses and follow like sheep as long as they get 'their' deduction.
When pigs vote, the guy with the slop bucket always gets elected, regardless of how many other pigs he's butchered.

luvmylabs23139
01-27-2012, 02:47 PM
In owning their home, individuals have more control over their local taxation and local govt spending of those tax dollars. Isn't that better than concentrating the control in the hands of a smaller group of people (landlords)?

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That would depend upon whether a locality determines voting on budgets by the property owners.
Where I grew up in CT the property OWNERS voted on both the school budget and the town budget.
Since it was a lake town the summer property owners voted and back in the 70's that was a factor. However NON property owners could not vote on the budgets. I would be in favor of that.
Where I live now we have a county budget and a county school budget in a addition to the city budget ( I do not live in the city )
However we property owners do not get to vote on any of the budgets. Every citizen votes for reps or whatever they are called city vs county.
SO MANY LEACHES can vote mainly in the city for their reps but they pay nothing!