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Uncle Bill
02-01-2012, 04:17 PM
...just what the Sambo/Buzz cabal will be voting for this fall: Read this and weep.

UB


Obama Administration
makes war on Christians
by Newt Gingrich

Last week, the Obama administration finalized a radical new rule that uses the health care law to require all health insurance providers to cover abortion-inducing drugs and sterilization as well as contraception, all free of charge. The administration based the rule’s "religious exemption" on a provision drafted (http://content.eaglepub.com/?datX.AYDZkRV9HUfGxXCHwRaaHWsANgFd&http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/supreme-court-denies-review-california-law-requiring-employers-provide-prescrip) by the ACLU, applying the rule even to religious organizations such as Catholic schools, hospitals, universities and charities that oppose such things as a matter of religious belief.

The weak exemption the administration allowed applies only to religious organizations serving primarily people of the same religion. It is so narrow that Timothy Dolan, the Catholic archbishop of New York City and current head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote in the Wall Street Journal that "even Jesus and His disciples would not qualify for the exemption in that case, because they were committed to serve those of other faiths."

Because Catholic institutions serve people of all faiths, the adoption by the Obama administration of the ACLU exemption language is an explicit and intentional assault on the Catholic Church in the United States. President Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius know full well that they are ordering Catholic institutions to violate their church’s teachings if they want to stay in business. They also know full well that they are explicitly running over the First Amendment protection of religious freedom that every American is supposed to enjoy as a birthright.

President Obama’s message to Catholics is clear: Catholics will not be able to build organizations according to their faith and the teachings of their church as long as they refuse to accept President Obama’s radicalism. President Obama’s order is a violation of the First Amendment right to freedom of conscience and an unprecedented assault on Christianity.

Catholics are uniformly opposed to the rule. Carol Keehan of the Catholic Health Association—an Obamacare supporter—expressed disappointment "that the definition of a religious employer was not broadened." Even liberal Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne blasted (http://content.eaglepub.com/?datX.4YDukXV9HUfGxPJ5wRXaHhqASMFd&http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-breach-of-faith-over-contraceptive-ruling/2012/01/29/gIQAY7V5aQ_story.html) the rule, arguing that "the Church’s leaders had a right to ask for broader relief from a contraception mandate that would require it to act against its own teachings."

The administration’s small concession—that it would allow organizations with religious objections an extra year to comply—does nothing to acknowledge their concerns. As Archbishop Dolan responded, "In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences."

This past Sunday, Catholics in churches across the country were read a letter (http://content.eaglepub.com/?datX.AU6ZzVHfHUfGxXJ5YRXauWquNMFd&http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57368259-503544/catholics-hear-anti-obama-letter-in-church/) from the Bishop of Marquette Alexander Sample drawing their attention to this unprecedented action by President Obama, describing the administration as having "cast aside the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, denying to Catholics our Nation's first and most fundamental freedom, that of religious liberty."

Maybe: It is important to remember, as the bishop’s letter reminds us, Catholics, like other religious groups came to America to be free.
"Our parents and grandparents did not come to these shores to help build America’s cities and towns, its infrastructure and institutions, its enterprise and culture, only to have their posterity stripped of their God given rights," the letter said.

Bishop Sample is right. In choosing the radical agendas of Planned Parenthood and the ACLU over the First Amendment’s guarantee of religious liberty; in dramatically undermining the numerous Catholic educational, health, and charitable institutions that provide so much good to so many Americans; and in implementing a rule no elected official has ever voted on, President Obama has chosen Saul Alinksy radicalism over the Constitution. It’s hard to see how many people of faith will long remain in a political party so hostile to their beliefs and their rights.

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menmon
02-01-2012, 05:08 PM
We have spent the last few days talking about dead beats on the dole...some refered to the them as leaches, too. Spay and neutor was discussed.....everyone was mad about funding the needs of these individuals that won't work...also saying their offspring does not work and they keep adding to your tax bill.

What I just read sounds like tax relief to me:cool:


PS: It is an honor to be paired up with Buzz an individual of vision and wisdom:-P

M&K's Retrievers
02-01-2012, 05:17 PM
I bet Buzz is Pizzed off.

road kill
02-01-2012, 05:19 PM
We have spent the last few days talking about dead beats on the dole...some refered to the them as leaches, too. Spay and neutor was discussed.....everyone was mad about funding the needs of these individuals that won't work...also saying their offspring does not work and they keep adding to your tax bill.

What I just read sounds like tax relief to me:cool:


PS: It is an honor to be paired up with Buzz an individual of vision and wisdom:-P

Sounds like a violation of the seperation of church and state your side uses whenever convenient.


RK

menmon
02-01-2012, 05:21 PM
Sounds like a violation of the seperation of church and state your side uses whenever convenient.


RK

The man addresses your concerns and you slam him for it:confused:

road kill
02-01-2012, 06:05 PM
The man addresses your concerns and you slam him for it:confused:

sambo, I actually kina like you.
You're a stand up guy, as I have said a true Democrat, not a secular progressive, but with all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

Who did I slam?

RK

HPL
02-01-2012, 07:45 PM
sambo, I actually kina like you.
You're a stand up guy, as I have said a true Democrat, not a secular progressive, but with all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

Who did I slam?

RK
I believe that he is referring to POTUS.

Buzz
02-01-2012, 10:10 PM
PS: It is an honor to be paired up with Buzz an individual of vision and wisdom:-P

I have not read the OP yet to see what it is we are supporting, too busy...

But I will say - ditto!:p

menmon
02-02-2012, 10:19 AM
sambo, I actually kina like you.
You're a stand up guy, as I have said a true Democrat, not a secular progressive, but with all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

Who did I slam?

RK

Obama...he addressed the issue of too many people on foodstamps by establishing a way for them not to have more babys. We spent the last few days debating the growing use of welfare entitlements and this looks like tax relief to me...LOL

RK - You stand for what you believe too...may not always agree but you clearly think for yourself.

huntinman
02-02-2012, 11:56 AM
This thread is going to turn into a group hug:rolleyes:

Jason Glavich
02-02-2012, 01:15 PM
We have spent the last few days talking about dead beats on the dole...some refered to the them as leaches, too. Spay and neutor was discussed.....everyone was mad about funding the needs of these individuals that won't work...also saying their offspring does not work and they keep adding to your tax bill.

What I just read sounds like tax relief to me:cool:


PS: It is an honor to be paired up with Buzz an individual of vision and wisdom:-P

You have to buy the insurance, not use it. No one is required to take said birth control or get an abortion(nor can anyone force them to remember to take the pill everyday, or to remember that certain antibiotics render the BC nonfunctional). The insurance just has to provide it for free.

On that same note are they required to make the things following or preceeding those items free as well? For women to get BC they have to have their yearly exam to get the script, and does the abortion portion cover aftercare for complications?

Free or free of copays is not always free. You paid for the insurance and will continue to pay or risk fines, so in the end you will pay for that care or the care of others if you yourself do not need it.

Should a 90 yr old women buy a policy that covers those things? Or a 90 yr old man? On that note does it cover condoms? Male and female type?

Buzz
02-02-2012, 02:06 PM
Free or free of copays is not always free. You paid for the insurance and will continue to pay or risk fines, so in the end you will pay for that care or the care of others if you yourself do not need it.




That is insurance in a nutshell. You pay and hope like heck you don't need it. But if you do, your premiums and the premiums of others pays for the care you receive.

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2012, 08:42 PM
Wasn't the real issue here whether the health care law infringed on freedom of religion by requiring the Catholic hospitals to provide services counter to their religious beliefs?

I'd say that it's probably true that a very high percentage of RCs use birth control, but I do believe those same people could very well have a different view of of abortion v. birth control. So, if the hospitals won't provide abortions, they can't get any payments via insurance because ALL insurance programs would be required to include these services.

Thus, these hospitals would have to withdraw their services from a lot of other people (who are not RCs) who now use these hospitals?

Actually, the RC hospitals might do a pretty good business if they went to cash-and-carry while other hospitals had long waiting lines? So, those who could pay for their services and did not want to wait in line, would go for cash-and-carry. Or, would the govt prevent such hospitals from even operating because they did not take insurance payments? That hasn't worked out so well in the UK ... took them 40+ years to find that out.