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Uncle Bill
02-12-2012, 01:15 PM
...here's a message that should be of interest to you. It's a little lengthy, but worth your time to watch and listen, it could be happening in 'your' cities school district.

UB


-- This is an Eye Opener !!! And she is not reading from a teleprompter either!!! This is frightening, Watch the entire video.



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Gerry Clinchy
02-12-2012, 06:46 PM
Wow! She is one powerful speaker!

Absolutely scary that Islam is being taught in ANY public. And she is totally right that if the same was done with Christianity or Judaism, the ACLU would be on their case in a heartbeat.

Brad Turner
02-12-2012, 07:25 PM
Wow! She is one powerful speaker!

Absolutely scary that Islam is being taught in ANY public. And she is totally right that if the same was done with Christianity or Judaism, the ACLU would be on their case in a heartbeat.

The history of the World's five major religions is taught in every 6th and 7th grade social studies class in Tennessee. These religions are Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. Islam is the second largest religion on Earth and is the fastest growing. More than likely, in my children's lifetime, Islam will be the largest religion in the World.

I would prefer that my children are educated about these religions and have a sound understanding of their religious practices. This way they can decide for themselves what they believe. Public education is not the place to teach kids what religion is best, it is the place for students to learn about the World around them. Whether one likes it or not, Islam is a BIG part of that World.

Gerry Clinchy
02-12-2012, 09:49 PM
Brad, I can agree that education should "inform" about the world's religions. We had such a course in my first year of college that was required for all freshmen.

However, I wonder if the students study the Bible as carefully as this lesson plan requires that they study the Koran? While history class points out the violence of the Crusades, does this course also point out the same for Islam? Do they also study the other religions as thoroughly? Do they spend three weeks taking Jewish names and living like a Jew would live?

If the "state" and church are to remain separate, they must give equal time to all the major religions.

Brad Turner
02-13-2012, 09:50 AM
Brad, I can agree that education should "inform" about the world's religions. We had such a course in my first year of college that was required for all freshmen.

However, I wonder if the students study the Bible as carefully as this lesson plan requires that they study the Koran? While history class points out the violence of the Crusades, does this course also point out the same for Islam? Do they also study the other religions as thoroughly? Do they spend three weeks taking Jewish names and living like a Jew would live?

If the "state" and church are to remain separate, they must give equal time to all the major religions.

I completely agree with statement.

I have not watched the video, so I am not familiar with what was said. IMO, a good teacher will give equal time to all of the required material.

I don't see how a teacher could cover all the material that they are required to teach if they spend three weeks on any single part of history. One just doesn't have enough time before the state tests.

If a teacher is spending this much time on Islam, than there is definitely going to be other periods of history that are insufficiently taught.

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2012, 01:06 PM
Brad, you really have to watch the video ... the speaker actually uses the lesson plan provided to the teachers. The teachers have no choice about teaching it; and the lesson plan tells them how to teach it.

The religions of the world are part of "history". Throughout history one religion or another conflicted with another; then communism (based on atheistic principles) conflicted with all of them.

I think that it is cogent to look at religions historically, and see how they improved their socieites (or not); and how they may have matured from violence toward peacefulness. Islam is much "younger" than Christianity. Christianity is "younger" than Judaism. And all of them, I believe, are "younger" than Buddhism.

The Christianity of today is typically far different than it was in the Middle Ages. I can think of no rational Christian (key word: rational) who would defend the violence that has taken place in Christianity's history.

The latest news has been that Bin Laden was telling his children to live more peaceful lives than he did ... not to follow his path of jihad. Perhaps Golda Meier was correct, ... there would be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs loved their children more than they hated the Jews. I do wonder if Bin Laden's philosophical "descendants" in Al Queda and Iran will pay attention to those thoughts as they paid attention to Bin Laden's call to jihad?

Brad Turner
02-13-2012, 07:53 PM
It is believed that Hinduism is the oldest of the five.

I have yet to watch the video. I will try tonight.

charly_t
02-13-2012, 10:23 PM
You know a lot of these videos ( almost all actually ) can't be seen by we who live in some rural areas. Even if we manage to down load them they will not play in a smooth fashion where we can hear and see it. It jerks and flickers in a most maddening way. Sound does the same thing. Old phone lines and old systems do not work with modern technical things. Most phone company repairmen don't even know how to work on our lines etc. After many phone calls to our phone company I wrote to our phone company and sent a copy to FCC . I have not heard from either. So if some of us appear to not know what is going on we actually don't if we were supposed to watch and listen to a video. Just so you know :-)

2tall
02-13-2012, 11:04 PM
Ok, I have a nephew who is a US Navy Seal. Part of his getting there was an in depth understanding of Islam as well as the other religions. Why are you saying that education about it is dangerous. This is just another extreme vision of a very narrow minded talented speaker.

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2012, 11:08 PM
CharlyT, I know what you mean. I didn't get off dial-up until about 18 mos. ago.

I did find that when there was a video I really, really wanted to watch, I'd let it play in the background. Once it ran through to the end, if I hit "replay" it would run continuously from start to finish ... instead of buffering 2 to 4 seconds at a time!

The one that starts this thread is kind of long, so it would take a long time on dial-up.

I finally got DSL when I found out that all my neighbors already had it. It took some real convincing of the telephone company! They didn't even know that I should be able to have it. It took me a couple of weeks to finally get through to the right people. So, check with your neighbors periodically.

Cable was not an alternative here since the cable TV lines are just as old as the phone lines & only had one-way cable which is just as bad as dial-up. Because of the old lines, they literally had to string new phone line in order to get the DSL to me (the old lines were getting wet when it rained, and I'd end up without phone service!) That's a whole other story.

charly_t
02-14-2012, 01:02 AM
CharlyT, I know what you mean. I didn't get off dial-up until about 18 mos. ago.

I did find that when there was a video I really, really wanted to watch, I'd let it play in the background. Once it ran through to the end, if I hit "replay" it would run continuously from start to finish ... instead of buffering 2 to 4 seconds at a time!

The one that starts this thread is kind of long, so it would take a long time on dial-up.

I finally got DSL when I found out that all my neighbors already had it. It took some real convincing of the telephone company! They didn't even know that I should be able to have it. It took me a couple of weeks to finally get through to the right people. So, check with your neighbors periodically.

Cable was not an alternative here since the cable TV lines are just as old as the phone lines & only had one-way cable which is just as bad as dial-up. Because of the old lines, they literally had to string new phone line in order to get the DSL to me (the old lines were getting wet when it rained, and I'd end up without phone service!) That's a whole other story.


I know all too well about the wet lines. We also lose net connection each time the wind blows in a normal way for Oklahoma. Trying to place an order on any sight is the pitts. Yes, the neighbors talk about this little problem often. So far a connection via satellite doesn't work for those near us. Last time we managed to get things fixed was some years back which has worn out I guess. We all got together an had a petition written up and almost everyone ( one from each household ) signed it. We got action when it was sent to the FCC. I'll try what you suggested. Many thanks. So far no DSL for any of the neighbors but I will tell your story to one who might just get it done. :-)

Now back to the regular programing.

Children's values have not been formed yet and I don't want someone else helping them form a muslim outlook on the world. Adults in most cases already know what is what. Sorry, but we have a good example in the White House right now of this kind of upbringing. History study is one thing but brain washing is another. Call it indoctrination or whatever but there it is.

Gerry Clinchy
02-14-2012, 01:36 PM
Ok, I have a nephew who is a US Navy Seal. Part of his getting there was an in depth understanding of Islam as well as the other religions. Why are you saying that education about it is dangerous. This is just another extreme vision of a very narrow minded talented speaker.

"Dangerous" is not the word I would use to describe it. I think study of all the religions would be very good for curriculum in our schools. Indeed, we should not block information about various religions from our schools, though that seems to be the goal for some individuals.

The question would be whether learning about religions requires iimmersing students in each of them for three weeks. Even then, if all religions are represented equally that might be fair. Are all religions being presented in the same way?

I'm not sure this "immersion" technique is a "real world" way to teach about different religions. How many Christians or Jews really live the way that might be depicted in their holy books? Same for Muslims, I'd imagine, since we are all only human. I don't necessarily believe that the students have to experience living as a Muslim to gain some understanding of that relgion. Same goes for the others.

road kill
02-14-2012, 01:42 PM
"Dangerous" is not the word I would use to describe it. I think study of all the religions would be very good for curriculum in our schools. Indeed, we should not block information about various religions from our schools, though that seems to be the goal for some individuals.

The question would be whether learning about religions requires iimmersing students in each of them for three weeks. Even then, if all religions are represented equally that might be fair. Are all religions being presented in the same way?

I'm not sure this "immersion" technique is a "real world" way to teach about different religions. How many Christians or Jews really live the way that might be depicted in their holy books? Same for Muslims, I'd imagine, since we are all only human. I don't necessarily believe that the students have to experience living as a Muslim to gain some understanding of that relgion. Same goes for the others.
The word I would use is "preperation."
For the inevitable.

Just sayin'...........


RK