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road kill
02-13-2012, 02:02 PM
Obama Proposes $800 million in Aid for "Arab Spring"


WASHINGTON | Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:39pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House announced plans on Monday to help "Arab Spring" countries swept by revolutions with more than $800 million in economic aid, while maintaining U.S. military aid to Egypt.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-usa-budget-foreign-idUSTRE81C1C920120213

Are you kidding me?


RK

M&K's Retrievers
02-13-2012, 02:56 PM
Now why in the Heck would you be surprised? :confused:

Raymond Little
02-13-2012, 03:32 PM
Bet China is "Lovin It":rolleyes:

road kill
02-14-2012, 08:14 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/13/us-usa-budget-foreign-idUSTRE81C1C920120213

Are you kidding me?


RK

I'm am surprised the progressives aren't falling on their collective swords for "the One" explaining how this is necessary and helpful.

In addition, we need to raise taxes, it's only fair.;-)

Your silence on this issue speaks volumes!!!!:D


RK

Jason Glavich
02-14-2012, 08:31 AM
I'm am surprised the progressives aren't falling on their collective swords for "the One" explaining how this is necessary and helpful.

In addition, we need to raise taxes, it's only fair.;-)

Your silence on this issue speaks volumes!!!!:D


RK

This is not insane it is expected. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They are not expecting any new results, they like the ones they are getting.

Cowtown
02-14-2012, 08:34 AM
Other people's money...ain't it great!

road kill
02-14-2012, 09:56 AM
Muslim Brotherhood Warns U.S. Aid Cut May Affect Egypt’s Peace Treaty With Israel
By Patrick Goodenough
February 13, 2012
(CNSNews.com) – A top Muslim Brotherhood official has warned that any cuts in U.S. aid to Egypt could affect Cairo’s peace treaty with Israel – the latest sign that Egypt’s emerging political forces intend to call Washington’s bluff over the diplomatic dispute triggered by a crackdown on non-governmental organizations.
Is this extortion???

Egyptian judges have referred 16 Americans and 27 others linked to NGOs for trial, accusing them of using foreign funds to encourage disruptive protests. Among the targeted NGOs whose assets and funds have been seized are the U.S. government-funded International Republican Institute and National Democratic Institute.

On Capitol Hill, the chorus of senior lawmakers calling for aid to Egypt to be suspended over the affair is growing, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned that the funds could be in jeopardy.

So far, the defiant response from Cairo has been attributed mostly to government figures with links to the deposed Mubarak regime, including the anti-Western minister for international cooperation, Fayza Abul-Naga. The military-appointed Prime Minister Kamal el-Ganzouri – who also served during the Mubarak era – told reporters last Wednesday that the authorities “won’t change course because of some aid.”

But now the Muslim Brotherhood (MB), which won almost 50 percent of the seats in recent legislative elections and dominates parliamentary committees, is making its position clear, too.


Any U.S. aid cut to Egypt, top MB lawmaker Essam el-Erian told the pan-Arabic al-Hayat newspaper, would violate the U.S.-brokered 1979 peace agreement with Israel.

The Jerusalem Post quoted Erian as saying that if the U.S. cuts aid to Egypt, the MB would consider changing the terms of the peace treaty. He is warning that the U.S. should understand that “what was acceptable before the revolution is no longer.”

Erian chairs the parliamentary foreign affairs committee and is deputy leader of the MB’s political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP).

The FJP was an early critic of the crackdown on the NGOs (although it also said Egyptian NGOs should get their funding from Egyptians). But threats to cut U.S. aid appear to have rallied various factions behind the government, feeding into long-held suspicion of and hostility towards the West.

“This is only the beginning of the anti-American populism/nationalism/Islamism we are going to be seeing in Egypt from now on,” Mideast expert Barry Rubin, director of the Global Research in International Affairs Center in Israel, wrote in a column Sunday.

“What’s amazing is that nobody is pointing out that if an Egyptian government is willing to risk U.S. aid and have a confrontation on this small issue, what are they going to do regarding big issues?’ Rubin said. “What happens when the Egyptian government moves toward Islamism or helps Hamas fight Israel on some level? We have been told that fear of losing U.S. aid will constrain Egypt. But we are now seeing that this simply isn’t true.”

Egyptians don’t want US aid

Among the biggest uncertainties sparked by the toppling of Mubarak a year ago was the future of the peace treaty. After four wars involving the two neighbors – in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 – the treaty negotiated at Camp David led to Israel handing back to Egypt the Sinai Peninsula, an area three times bigger than Israel itself, which it had captured in the 1967 Six Day War.

Although never particularly popular in Egypt, the agreement kept the peace between the former foes for three decades and secured Egypt more than $1.3 billion in U.S. military and economic aid each year.

Legislation signed into law last December ties the provision of $1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt in fiscal year 2012 to certification that the government in Cairo “is supporting the transition to civilian government including holding free and fair elections; implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law.”


The plot thickens.
When it comes to foreign policy, Obama is a GENIUS!!!!:rolleyes:


RK

Mike Tome
02-14-2012, 12:13 PM
I hope you had the same reaction to invading Iraq.... The cost of this is a drop in the bucket compared to what that fiasco cost us.

Gerry Clinchy
02-14-2012, 12:17 PM
The question was raised early on in Egypt, and again in Libya, that we had no clue what we were really supporting against the existing regimes. Hopefully, we will keep our noses out of Syria.

road kill
02-14-2012, 12:22 PM
I hope you had the same reaction to invading Iraq.... The cost of this is a drop in the bucket compared to what that fiasco cost us.

Mike,
Not sure why you have to go back to Iraq, apples and oranges.
We have a Trillion$$+ deficit now and need to stop spending.
We now are contributing to Egypt's military and to the Muslim Bros.

They are at odds.

If you read the story, you would see the dichotomy here.

However, to your point, if you think what happened in Iraq was awful, what's brewing right now will make that seem like childs play.


RK

Hew
02-15-2012, 07:21 AM
$800 million is chump change in the grand scheme of things compared to what we spend overseas. In theory I'd much rather pay 800 million now to buy their friendship/loyalty and get influence over them than to spend even more money (and more importantly, more American lives) to kill them 3, 5, 10, 100 years from now. I underlined "in theory" because I don't necessarily believe that this admin. in particular, or the the State Dept. in general, have a firm grasp of what they want to accomplish in the Middle East or of who they should be throwing their support behind. So while I have doubts that the $800 mil. will be wisely spent, I'm not going to make a blanket argument that it shouldn't be spent, because if spent wisely it could pay dividends in the future. To me, that's neither a liberal or conservative principle...it is pragmatism pure and simple.

Cowtown
02-15-2012, 08:05 AM
OK, I'll say it. This is a religious war that has been fought for thousands of years....the Muslims vs. the Christians. Make no mistake, their mission is to wipe us off the face of the earth. No amount of American dollars will dissuade that.

I know the far left wing wants to believe we can have a perfect world, we can all sit down in a circle round the campfire, spread fellowship, eat smores and sing kumbayah.

The reality is these "folks" want to kill all the heathens, dominate the world with radical Islam, and impose Sharia law. This is the new caliphate. Just look at who is in charge of these overthrown Middle Eastern governments now.

Wake up people.

paul young
02-15-2012, 08:30 AM
OK, I'll say it. This is a religious war that has been fought for thousands of years....the Muslims vs. the Christians. Make no mistake, their mission is to wipe us off the face of the earth. No amount of American dollars will dissuade that.

I know the far left wing wants to believe we can have a perfect world, we can all sit down in a circle round the campfire, spread fellowship, eat smores and sing kumbayah.

The reality is these "folks" want to kill all the heathens, dominate the world with radical Islam, and impose Sharia law. This is the new caliphate. Just look at who is in charge of these overthrown Middle Eastern governments now.

Wake up people.

yeah!!!! kill all the Muslims NOW!!!!! LMAO!!!!!-Paul