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Matt McKenzie
03-14-2012, 10:06 AM
We can't require voters to prove their identities. Because that would be raaaaaacist. So we get this.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/13/OKeefe%20Video%20Exposes%20Voter%20Fraud-Friendly%20Policies%20in%20Vermont

Gerry Clinchy
03-14-2012, 04:37 PM
I must be so very dense ... if voting is a privilege of citizenship, why would anyone object to proving that you are the person who has such valid ID to exercise that privilege?

M&K's Retrievers
03-14-2012, 08:46 PM
I must be so very dense ... if voting is a privilege of citizenship, why would anyone object to proving that you are the person who has such valid ID to exercise that privilege?

That, apparently, would make way too much sense.

JDogger
03-14-2012, 11:02 PM
OK. A couple questions. How wide-spread and rampant do you believe voter fraud is? Does it occur in local elections mostly, or also on the national level? Does it occur in one party more than another? Can you cite an election where voter fraud has been proven? Or is the evidence anecdotal? FWIW I am not against voter ID, but since ID can be easily purchased...?
I suppose only ID's that match with the tax-payer, property owner data could be used.
Watcha think? JD

Hew
03-14-2012, 11:28 PM
OK. A couple questions. How wide-spread and rampant do you believe voter fraud is? Does it occur in local elections mostly, or also on the national level? Does it occur in one party more than another? Can you cite an election where voter fraud has been proven? Or is the evidence anecdotal? FWIW I am not against voter ID, but since ID can be easily purchased...?
I suppose only ID's that match with the tax-payer, property owner data could be used.
Watcha think? JD

I'm glad you asked. You must have been banned from POTUS for issuing fatwas against other RTFers when I first wrote this: :D ;-):D



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Originally Posted by HPL http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=892354#post892354)
Since valid ID isn't currently required in many cases, just how would you prove fraud


Exactly. The notion that because there are few convictions for voter fraud means there is hardly any voter fraud is a left-wing canard:
- as HPL pointed, it is difficult to detect all but the most obvious fraud on voting day because the requirements to vote are lax and the benefit of the doubt is weighted HEAVILY to the person attempting to vote (as it should be).
- it is very difficult to prove intent to fraudulently cast a vote. Most attempts at election day fraud are written off as honest mistakes or ignorance of the law and are not prosecuted.
- When election fraud is discovered after-the-fact, just how do you go about prosecuting a fictitious person or someone who has been dead for 3 years?
- The real election fraud is in voter registration and there have been numerous convictions for egregious fraud on the registration side of the coin. If a fictitious or ineligible voter is registered to vote and sends in a mailed ballot it is highly improbable that that type of fraud would ever be detected. Yet we know that thousands of ineligible/fictitious voters have been registered in vote drives paid for and sponsered by special interest groups.
- Lastly, if there's no voter fraud then why do the likely/presumed beneficiaries of voter fraud (lefty special interst groups) squeel like stuck pigs at every seemingly reasonable effort to detect/prevent fraud? A million + Americans fought and died for our right to vote but it's just too damn burdensome to bring a picture ID to the polls? That's a perversion of common sense.

BonMallari
03-15-2012, 12:08 AM
here is another theory on voter ID...making everyone have an ID is just one step closer to being able to account for everyone, including those that are here fraudulently,those that receive benefits,medical care

when you look at how few voters actually cast ballots for state reps and US House and Senate members, it doesnt take much to potentially sway an election

Case in point : here in NV during the last election,Harry Reid's seat was considered vulnerable, if not winnable by the R's..the unions got out and made sure that each and every eligible voter at many of the casinos, were taken to the polls,during their shift....it was the difference in getting Reid re elected..any guess on how many of my fellow employees that were coerced into voting were/are registered fraudulently...I would guess that over half our housekeeping staff has questionable work documentation...I know when I go to our union pharmacy to pick up my BP meds it is filled with dependants getting prescriptions and all they need is the primary cardholder DOB...

Jim Danis
03-15-2012, 07:30 AM
We require ID's to purchase alcohol, licenses to drive, ID's for passports and to get through security at the airports and many other examples whay can't we require you to prove who you are to vote? The discrimination/racist excuse is just that, an excuse.

The NAACP has gone to the UN and asked them to make a judgement about our voter ID laws. By the way Saudia Arabia is on the council that would make this judgement. The do not allow women to vote!!

JDogger
03-15-2012, 09:02 AM
The Bears We Know


There is a house way at the end of our road. It is a big, brown house with many windows and a long staircase. And this is where the bears live.


We have never seen the bears but we know they are there. And we know what they do. They sleep late every day.


And nobody ever wakes them up or tells them they are sleeping late. Because, you know, you never wake up or talk back to bears.


When they get up they sit on the long windowsill and drink coffee and smoke cigars. They watch everything that goes on and growl whenever anyone gets too close. So no one ever does.


After coffee, the bears close the curtains and watch cartoons and game shows on TV. They don’t go to school and they never have to work. There are always lots of empty potato chip bags in their garbage cans.


Then the bears jump on the furniture. They find old couches at the dump and bring them home, jumping on them ‘til the springs are gone. That’s their exercise.


Before lunch, the bears go out to their shack and have a sauna. They wear very tight bathing suits and sing all the time. Jo and I heard them singing so we know. They were singing about a picnic.


The house is very dirty and the bears never clean it. When it looks too clean, the bears bring in buckets of sawdust and throw it around.


For lunch the bears have vegetable milkshakes and wine. Sometimes they make omelets. Then they stretch out before the fire and have a nap.


After the nap, they make hot buttered toast and hot chocolate. Then they sing very sad songs and cry. It is a terrible sound when all the bears cry.


So it goes, day after day. People ask us how we know so much about the bears when we’ve never seen them. Well…some things you just know.

Ken Bora
03-19-2012, 07:00 AM
...... Does it occur in local elections mostly, or also on the national level?


seems some of the democrats seem to still be miffed about some FLORIDA count and some beating around the BUSH ;-)

I don't get the Bear story
I am for ID in the voting both.
I joke every time I vote to the old laby crossing out my name with the marker, "not many lines you have there, want me to vote twice?" and she gets all upset and says not to even joke about that, so I do every time:cool:


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paul young
03-19-2012, 09:41 AM
this thread started with a video about voter fraud friendly policies in Vermont, Ken.

do you feel it is a big issue in Vermont? what do you think the approximate percentage of fraudulent votes cast in elections in your home state is, relative to all votes cast? enough to change the results?

i know a little about Vermont. i have spent enough time there to have the opinion that in those small communities the people that live there know who else lives there. not only that, they probably know everyone in your family for 3 generations by name. very close knit!

does voter fraud exist? undoubtedly! is it party specific? absolutely not! should you be required to produce ID with a picture of yourself and the proper address? (required in Ct., by the way) absolutely!

anyway, i'd like to hear your take on this, Ken. strange that they would use Vermont as their subject matter.-Paul

luvmylabs23139
03-19-2012, 09:50 AM
this thread started with a video about voter fraud friendly policies in Vermont, Ken.

do you feel it is a big issue in Vermont? what do you think the approximate percentage of fraudulent votes cast in elections in your home state is, relative to all votes cast? enough to change the results?

i know a little about Vermont. i have spent enough time there to have the opinion that in those small communities the people that live there know who else lives there. not only that, they probably know everyone in your family for 3 generations by name. very close knit!

does voter fraud exist? undoubtedly! is it party specific? absolutely not! should you be required to produce ID with a picture of yourself and the proper address? (required in Ct., by the way) absolutely!


anyway, i'd like to hear your take on this, Ken. strange that they would use Vermont as their subject matter.-Paul


Good lord CT has cities that want illegals to vote in local elections. NEW HAVEN!!!!

Ken Bora
03-19-2012, 10:05 AM
you are absolutely right Paul, Mrs. Trono is the elderly lady I pick on every time I vote. She knows me, knows who my father is, and went to grade school with my Grandfather. Yet she always formerly asks me my name. She is so cool. I love the election volunteers up here. I do not think voter fraud is big here at all. I do think I should have to show ID. I do think the Vermont example is odd.
and I still don't get the bear story JD
does North Carolina ask for ID when you vote Luvy?
 
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BonMallari
03-19-2012, 10:15 AM
you are absolutely right Paul, Mrs. Trono is the elderly lady I pick on every time I vote. She knows me, knows who my father is, and went to grade school with my Grandfather. Yet she always formerly asks me my name. She is so cool. I love the election volunteers up here. I do not think voter fraud is big here at all. I do think I should have to show ID. I do think the Vermont example is odd.
and I still don't get the bear story JD
does North Carolina ask for ID when you vote Luvy?
 
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Ken, we had the same situation where I grew up in SoCal, the ladies that worked the voter's precinct were my classmates mother's, many knew me since I was in kindergarden, they would always talk to my mom and catch up with a bi yearly update...and one lady in particular would always ask if I was married yet..it was a hoot

luvmylabs23139
03-19-2012, 10:32 AM
does North Carolina ask for ID when you vote Luvy?
 



I do not vote, I follow the law. As you well know I'm a legal immigrant not a citizen. HOwever unlike 50% of the US I am a federal income taxpayer, also state income tax, local taxes in more than one county etc.
NC tried to pass voter id this year but PERDOODOO our dumocrat goobernor vetoed it.

According to hubby voting stuff is messed up around here. When he went to vote last year at his local location which is 2 minutes from our house he was given the ability to vote on the village of Clemmons stuff. His voting location is in the village however we live in the county not the village.
In all honesty much of this stuff sucks.
Even if I was a citizen I would still be in the same situtation as DH. We can't vote in both counties (one of which includes a leaching city tax) that we pay property taxes in.
No desire on his part to vote 2 times for federal reps however as the property owner in 2 counties he can't vote in both for the local elections which both effect the taxes he (we) pay.

Ken Bora
03-19-2012, 10:58 AM
I do not vote, I follow the law. As you well know I'm a legal immigrant not a citizen......


actually forgot all about that. short term memory and all. 80's were a bitch! but now that you jogged it oh right, your the girl who has lived here like 20 or 30 years or something but ain't joined. Keeping all your options open?;-)

Marvin S
03-19-2012, 11:08 AM
At the last legislative session the party in power made the state I live in an all absentee ballot state. I lived in the last county that had polling places :cool:. In the last election our police chief's mother voted though she has serious cognitive issues - wonder who marked & signed her ballot?

2 Gov elections ago there were 3 recounts before the D's got their person. A good friend of mine had told me there were issues in the election process that were scary, at the time I thought him wrong though I no longer do.

If you live in a state that is 55% D, 20% Indy, 20% RINO & 5% sensible it's a heartbreak when a decent candidate gets defeated by voter fraud. Even if you are correct the judges are all appointed by the D's so not much hope there either :(. I miss the polling places & the gossip that goes with them ;-).

luvmylabs23139
03-19-2012, 11:10 AM
actually forgot all about that. short term memory and all. 80's were a bitch! but now that you jogged it oh right, your the girl who has lived here like 20 or 30 years or something but ain't joined. Keeping all your options open?;-)



Always keeping the options open.:p
I have to admit I lost more than a few brain cells in the early 80's too. Something about Uconn being the number 1 party school in the nation back then.
Ahh fond memories of taking your mug and stumbling around campus on Thursday night yet still pulling off a 3.9 gpr. Note for all you youngsters it was always legal.
When I turned 18 that was the drinking age and I made the cutt off every year even as CT changed the age.
In a few weeks it will be a bit more than 30 years. Try coming up on 45 on the first of April.
Honestly having spent most of my life in a state where my vote would have meant nothing it has been hard to get motivated.
Think about it, if you spent your life in a totally blue nut zone why bother?

Ken Bora
03-19-2012, 11:19 AM
Think about it, if you spent your life in a totally blue nut zone why bother?

um,
I live in the Peoples Republic of Burlington, in the state of Vermont.
It is an upset here when a progressive defeats a socialist!
I have voted in every election since I was old enough to.
And if you, for real need to ask why bother?
 
WHY BOTHER??????????????????????

Well I could pound out a tirade and use examples and pull out all the clichés and stuff.
yet so much easier to simply type
Well bless your heart.............:confused:
 
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BonMallari
03-19-2012, 11:21 AM
Always keeping the options open.:p
I have to admit I lost more than a few brain cells in the early 80's too. Something about Uconn being the number 1 party school in the nation back then.
Ahh fond memories of taking your mug and stumbling around campus on Thursday night yet still pulling off a 3.9 gpr. Note for all you youngsters it was always legal.
When I turned 18 that was the drinking age and I made the cutt off every year even as CT changed the age.
In a few weeks it will be a bit more than 30 years. Try coming up on 45 on the first of April.
Honestly having spent most of my life in a state where my vote would have meant nothing it has been hard to get motivated.
Think about it, if you spent your life in a totally blue nut zone why bother?


it matters because if enough apathetic voters who shared your sentiment would get off the couch and go vote, they just might change the state from a blue to a red....North Carolina may end up being the bell weather battle ground state this time around, its probably the reason the Dems chose it as the location for their convention

THAT'S WHY IT MATTERS

JDogger
03-19-2012, 11:08 PM
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and I still don't get the bear story JD

Dayum, Aesop. It was meant to be a parable...ya know?

We know what the bears are doing, though we've never seen them. We know there is voter fraud though we can't cite it or prove it. but we know it happens, Que No?

On an interesting side note, I was informed today of e-verify, as of 3/19/2012, the law of the land. My job just became tougher...and in food service even tougher. :rolleyes:
Google is your friend.

JD

Matt McKenzie
03-24-2012, 07:31 PM
http://townhall.com/video/are-voter-id-laws-really-racist

Nothing more need be said about this one.

luvmylabs23139
03-24-2012, 09:10 PM
it matters because if enough apathetic voters who shared your sentiment would get off the couch and go vote, they just might change the state from a blue to a red....North Carolina may end up being the bell weather battle ground state this time around, its probably the reason the Dems chose it as the location for their convention

THAT'S WHY IT MATTERS


Hopefully I will be able to vote. But locally I will still be screwed. They carved out some crazy district and it won't make a pile of dog crap.

road kill
04-09-2012, 08:32 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot


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In a shocking new video, James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas demonstrates to the Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, just why he should be concerned about lack of voter ID laws – by walking into Holder’s voting precinct and showing the world that anyone can obtain Eric Holder’s ballot. Literally.

The video shows a young man entering a Washington, DC polling place at 3401 Nebraska Avenue, NW, on primary day of this year – April 3, 2012 – and giving Holder’s name and address. The poll worker promptly offers the young man Holder’s ballot to vote.

Holder has maintained that voter fraud is not a major problem in the United States, and that voter ID would not curb voter fraud in any case.

Project Veritas has already shown how dead people can vote in New Hampshire, prompting the state senate to pass a voter ID law; they’ve shown celebrities like Tim Tebow and Tom Brady registering to vote in Minnesota, prompting the state legislature to put voter ID on the ballot as a constitutional amendment. Washington DC voting law is a federal jurisdictional area. Will the federal government take up the challenge?




Nope, there ain't no voter fraud.........


BTW--Anyone here about the indictments in IN over fraudulent petitions for the Presidential ballot??
Of course not...........


RK

HPL
04-09-2012, 09:10 AM
http://townhall.com/video/are-voter-id-laws-really-racist

Nothing more need be said about this one.
Very nice. I really like that one.