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menmon
03-14-2012, 11:20 AM
So thirty years ago, my dad told me the strongest union was the doctors.

He was right and they are still strong today.

I have an infection in my foot. Over the course of the past couple months 5 doctors have been involved, thus office visits, test, etc. I have missed countless hours of work, when one doctor could have championed this to the finishline. My problem still has not be resolved, but my out of pocket expense is huge. I'm sure my insurance carrier has been out of pocket much too. So my point is that Obamacare probablly challenges DA UNION, meaning the reason it has so much unfounded opposition. So think about who is wagging the dog:(

road kill
03-14-2012, 11:33 AM
So thirty years ago, my dad told me the strongest union was the doctors.

He was right and they are still strong today.

I have an infection in my foot. Over the course of the past couple months 5 doctors have been involved, thus office visits, test, etc. I have missed countless hours of work, when one doctor could have championed this to the finishline. My problem still has not be resolved, but my out of pocket expense is huge. I'm sure my insurance carrier has been out of pocket much too. So my point is that Obamacare probablly challenges DA UNION, meaning the reason it has so much unfounded opposition. So think about who is wagging the dog:(
Lawyers have probably had a bigger impact on this than Drs, but hate who ya want.


Maybe you would like it if someone else paid.
(you know, FREE???):cool:


RK

dixidawg
03-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Just wait until Obamacare kicks in. It will be MUCH better then!

Socks
03-14-2012, 12:02 PM
It amazes me sometimes how people with a skill set are criticized for making a living. Especially when pro athletes are paid millions to play a game, but almost none of them can perform surgery or engineer a building.

If being a Dr. or an engineer is dang easy why don't more people do it? Because they can't, like I can't block a NFL defensive lineman.

Good luck with foot and sorry it's not working out for you, but not too long ago people just up and died from stuff like that.

Franco
03-14-2012, 12:52 PM
Lawyers have probably had a bigger impact on this than Drs, but hate who ya want.


Maybe you would like it if someone else paid.
(you know, FREE???):cool:


RK

No doubt about it and it is why many doctors give up their practice.

Amazing that Obamacare didn't address Tort Reform. Could it be that those trial lawyers and thier huge campaign contributions to Obama's last run is the reason?

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:00 PM
My point is it is inefficent. I have not problem paying a fair wage. What I have a problem with the wasted cost and added expense.

Funny though, its ok for Doctors to collude like this...but a carpenter, electrician or auto worker that does it is a sorry SOB:rolleyes:

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:03 PM
No doubt about it and it is why many doctors give up their practice.

Amazing that Obamacare didn't address Tort Reform. Could it be that those trial lawyers and thier huge campaign contributions to Obama's last run is the reason?

This has nothing to do with liability....it is all about making sure they all get a piece.

My point is that you think this is ok for the doctors but not ok for anyone else. Neither is right, but don't hold one to a different standard.

dixidawg
03-14-2012, 01:06 PM
My point is it is inefficent. I have not problem paying a fair wage. What I have a problem with the wasted cost and added expense.

Funny though, its ok for Doctors to collude like this...but a carpenter, electrician or auto worker that does it is a sorry SOB:rolleyes:

And how is Obamacare going to make this better? The gov't isn't exactly renowned for eliminating ineffciencies an. running the most efficient organizations. In most cases, gov't = wasted cost and added expense.

M&K's Retrievers
03-14-2012, 01:18 PM
So thirty years ago, my dad told me the strongest union was the doctors.

He was right and they are still strong today.

I have an infection in my foot. Over the course of the past couple months 5 doctors have been involved, thus office visits, test, etc. I have missed countless hours of work, when one doctor could have championed this to the finishline. My problem still has not be resolved, but my out of pocket expense is huge. I'm sure my insurance carrier has been out of pocket much too. So my point is that Obamacare probablly challenges DA UNION, meaning the reason it has so much unfounded opposition. So think about who is wagging the dog:(


My point is it is inefficent. I have not problem paying a fair wage. What I have a problem with the wasted cost and added expense.

Funny though, its ok for Doctors to collude like this...but a carpenter, electrician or auto worker that does it is a sorry SOB:rolleyes:


This has nothing to do with liability....it is all about making sure they all get a piece.

My point is that you think this is ok for the doctors but not ok for anyone else. Neither is right, but don't hold one to a different standard.


I sincerely hope they are able to find a cure for your foot in mouth disease but I'm afraid it's incurable. :rolleyes:

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:18 PM
And how is Obamacare going to make this better? The gov't isn't exactly renowned for eliminating ineffciencies an. running the most efficient organizations. In most cases, gov't = wasted cost and added expense.

I'm sure if the doctors don't like it; it is because they can't profit as much from it. Because of insurance, we don't question what the doctors and hospitals charge us because we have budgeted for healthcare insurance, instead of questioning the cost. So every year our insurance goes up and we accept it. This thread was really not intended to be about Obamacare but about the game that is being played with our healthcare and the cortel these doctors have created. This should make you mad, but you give them a free pass and never question them. Obama is the problem with healthcare is your opinion. Whether his plan is good are not has nothing to do with doctors exploting us because we are not informed enough on this subject.

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:24 PM
I sincerely hope they are able to find a cure for your foot in mouth disease but I'm afraid it's incurable. :rolleyes:

You are so cute!!!

You know when you vote for Romney you are voting librel don't you?

A real conservative would not touch him with a ten foot pole, so you must not be one;-)

duckheads
03-14-2012, 01:24 PM
This has nothing to do with liability....it is all about making sure they all get a piece.

My point is that you think this is ok for the doctors but not ok for anyone else. Neither is right, but don't hold one to a different standard.


This is your opinion which you are entitled to but no one else is entitled to theirs?

And you think Gingrich has an ego!

road kill
03-14-2012, 01:25 PM
I'm sure if the doctors don't like it; it is because they can't profit as much from it. Because of insurance, we don't question what the doctors and hospitals charge us because we have budgeted for healthcare insurance, instead of questioning the cost. So every year our insurance goes up and we accept it. This thread was really not intended to be about Obamacare but about the game that is being played with our healthcare and the cortel these doctors have created. This should make you mad, but you give them a free pass and never question them. Obama is the problem with healthcare is your opinion. Whether his plan is good are not has nothing to do with doctors exploting us because we are not informed enough on this subject.
Well, one of us isn't..........:rolleyes:


RK

duckheads
03-14-2012, 01:27 PM
You are so cute!!!

You know when you vote for Romney you are voting librel don't you?

A real conservative would not touch him with a ten foot pole, so you must not be one;-)


WOW! You are getting pretty desperate!

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:28 PM
Well, one of us isn't..........:rolleyes:


RK

So when your doctor tells you he needs this test and that test and prescibes you meds, etc. you are knowledgable enough to know whether it was really needed?

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:29 PM
WOW! You are getting pretty desperate!

No - I'm just stating the obvious;-)

Brad Turner
03-14-2012, 01:30 PM
I would get a new primary care physician if you don't trust him. My Dr. Doesn't care if other doctors make money, he just wants to pay his own bills and take his own vacations. It amazes me that people think that doctors are conspiring together to make you pay them all. That is funny.

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:31 PM
WOW! You are getting pretty desperate!

I see you are a NRA life member....do you think Romney got elected in Mass being pro-gun. So you want to elect someone that is on the record for being against guns?

road kill
03-14-2012, 01:33 PM
I see you are a NRA life member....do you think Romney got elected in Mass being pro-gun. So you want to elect someone that is on the record for being against guns?
Hey, sambo, I would vote for Romney over Obama every day.

And what YOU and the rest of the progressives are going to find out, I am not alone.
Your "Manchurian Candidate" is about to get FIRED!!!!


I don't care what the liberal media tries to tell you.


RK

menmon
03-14-2012, 01:38 PM
Hey, sambo, I would vote for Romney over Obama every day.

And what YOU and the rest of the progressives are going to find out, I am not alone.
Your "Manchurian Candidate" is about to get FIRED!!!!


I don't care what the liberal media tries to tell you.


RK

RK - you don't have the votes...and your guy is struggling in the interview;-)

road kill
03-14-2012, 01:40 PM
RK - you don't have the votes...and your guy is struggling in the interview;-)

We shall see.


RK

Gerry Clinchy
03-14-2012, 01:43 PM
Because of insurance, we don't question what the doctors and hospitals charge us because we have budgeted for healthcare insurance, instead of questioning the cost. So every year our insurance goes up and we accept it.

Based on this logic, it would seem that insurance (govt or private) is the real culprit in the cost spiral. So, maybe we ought to just get rid of the insurance?

duckheads
03-14-2012, 01:46 PM
I see you are a NRA life member....do you think Romney got elected in Mass being pro-gun. So you want to elect someone that is on the record for being against guns?


And your boy is so pro gun there have been a record number of guns sold during his administration!:rolleyes:

How did that fast and furious operation work for you?

dixidawg
03-14-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm sure if the doctors don't like it; it is because they can't profit as much from it. Because of insurance, we don't question what the doctors and hospitals charge us because we have budgeted for healthcare insurance, instead of questioning the cost. So every year our insurance goes up and we accept it. This thread was really not intended to be about Obamacare but about the game that is being played with our healthcare and the cortel these doctors have created. This should make you mad, but you give them a free pass and never question them. Obama is the problem with healthcare is your opinion. Whether his plan is good are not has nothing to do with doctors exploting us because we are not informed enough on this subject.


I worked over 20 years in hospital finance. Trust me when I say you know not of what you speak.

menmon
03-14-2012, 02:04 PM
I would get a new primary care physician if you don't trust him. My Dr. Doesn't care if other doctors make money, he just wants to pay his own bills and take his own vacations. It amazes me that people think that doctors are conspiring together to make you pay them all. That is funny.

I know good honorable doctors....and if I was one, I would want to make as much as I could. That is the problem, thus making healthcare unaffordable. When you are trusting someone with your health, you just want to get better and don't worry about the cost because your insurance is picking up the tab. This is why the government needs to be involved. No different than with your utilities...if the government was not involved our utilities would have huge price shocks and at times we could not afford electricity, water, etc.

Politics aside....I'm trying to talk about why healthcare is not affordable for many.

menmon
03-14-2012, 02:14 PM
And your boy is so pro gun there have been a record number of guns sold during his administration!:rolleyes:

How did that fast and furious operation work for you?

I know...before they take my guns from me I better buy as many as I can mentality. Better stock up on ammunition too so I can defend myself against the Obama tyrany..HAHAHA

I'm a hunter and he assured me that he would not interfer with that and hasn't. That is good enough for me:D

Now Romney is a different animal;-)

menmon
03-14-2012, 02:20 PM
Based on this logic, it would seem that insurance (govt or private) is the real culprit in the cost spiral. So, maybe we ought to just get rid of the insurance?

I think you may be on to something...seems logical to me. This is the kind of discussion I was trying to have. I forgot this was a political website.

FYI - they just added the 6th doctor to my case. Appointment Monday. The good news I guess is I've almost spent my deductable so my insurance will pay all. This is just an infection in my toe.

caryalsobrook
03-14-2012, 02:23 PM
My point is it is inefficent. I have not problem paying a fair wage. What I have a problem with the wasted cost and added expense.

Funny though, its ok for Doctors to collude like this...but a carpenter, electrician or auto worker that does it is a sorry SOB:rolleyes:


This has nothing to do with liability....it is all about making sure they all get a piece.

My point is that you think this is ok for the doctors but not ok for anyone else. Neither is right, but don't hold one to a different standard.

I swore off of posting here becuse it is so addictive, but I can't help responding to such posts as these two.

Sure there are doctors, dentists, carpenters, lawyers ect. that are crooks. For the most part they work within their professions honorably, union or no union.

To claim doctors are in a union is absurd. For the record, I have never colluded with another dentist in any way or fashion. I have never asked a dentist what his fees were, nor have I cared to know. The fact is that patients are all to ready to tell me a fee that another dentist might have charged them. Like any business, I had to keep up with what my overhead was and as a result set my fees accordingly. There never was any collusion between me or any other dentist, nor was I ever aware of any.

I never received "a piece of the action" when I referred a patient to another dentist, NEVER. I referred strictly based on who was best able to provide the best care for my patient. The care and treatment of my patients were my rewards. Like almost all the dentists I know, I always felt that if I provided care to the best of my ability, then the money would take care of itself.

I don't think that unions make crooks out of any of their members, nor do I believe that unions make them honorable in their work. However, statements like these show not only a total lack of knowledge of the subject but absolute stupidity for making them.

M&K's Retrievers
03-14-2012, 02:27 PM
You are so cute!!!

You know when you vote for Romney you are voting librel don't you?

A real conservative would not touch him with a ten foot pole, so you must not be one;-)

I would vote for Foghorn Leghorn over your guru.

charly_t
03-14-2012, 02:47 PM
I would get a new primary care physician if you don't trust him. My Dr. Doesn't care if other doctors make money, he just wants to pay his own bills and take his own vacations. It amazes me that people think that doctors are conspiring together to make you pay them all. That is funny.

Some of them are doing that. Mother-in-law was dying of cancer and they called in a young hot shot doctor for his opinion. Never mind that he was hooked on drugs..........some of the other doctors had to know about him but they were still helping him make money ( small town, huge good ole boys club with our doctors ). I'm most happy to say that not all play this game but a few do. Oh, that young hot shot had to leave town verrryyyy suddenly.
Paybacks are HE!!

menmon
03-14-2012, 02:54 PM
I swore off of posting here becuse it is so addictive, but I can't help responding to such posts as these two.

Sure there are doctors, dentists, carpenters, lawyers ect. that are crooks. For the most part they work within their professions honorably, union or no union.

To claim doctors are in a union is absurd. For the record, I have never colluded with another dentist in any way or fashion. I have never asked a dentist what his fees were, nor have I cared to know. The fact is that patients are all to ready to tell me a fee that another dentist might have charged them. Like any business, I had to keep up with what my overhead was and as a result set my fees accordingly. There never was any collusion between me or any other dentist, nor was I ever aware of any.

I never received "a piece of the action" when I referred a patient to another dentist, NEVER. I referred strictly based on who was best able to provide the best care for my patient. The care and treatment of my patients were my rewards. Like almost all the dentists I know, I always felt that if I provided care to the best of my ability, then the money would take care of itself.

I don't think that unions make crooks out of any of their members, nor do I believe that unions make them honorable in their work. However, statements like these show not only a total lack of knowledge of the subject but absolute stupidity for making them.

So tell me why 6 speicallist have looked at my foot.

Now tell me that you don't know of doctors investing in MRI machines then refering every hang nail case to the MRI center.

The infection specialist did not think a bone biapsey was necessary, but refered me back to the orth who had an MRI done that the infection doctor really could care less about. Now the first orth dr has referred my to another orth dr to do the biapsey.

duckheads
03-14-2012, 03:11 PM
I know good honorable doctors....and if I was one, I would want to make as much as I could. That is the problem, thus making healthcare unaffordable. When you are trusting someone with your health, you just want to get better and don't worry about the cost because your insurance is picking up the tab. This is why the government needs to be involved. No different than with your utilities...if the government was not involved our utilities would have huge price shocks and at times we could not afford electricity, water, etc.

Politics aside....I'm trying to talk about why healthcare is not affordable for many.

When you have a very high deductable, like my family and I have, you take things into your own hands and assume some responsibility for what care you receive and what those costs will be. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves and not rely on the government. The problem is people want insurance to pay for everything and that is not what it is for. Like with other types of insurance coverage, it is for catastrophic occurances not every day expenses.

The problem is with people such as yourself that have the attuitude "you just want to get better and don't worry about the cost because your insurance is picking up the tab" Why do you think that more government is the answer to everthing? Take responsibility of your own health and hold your doctors accountable. You can say no or ask what all the options are. I'm sure you can go somewhere else if you do not like the options.

menmon
03-14-2012, 03:16 PM
When you have a very high deductable, like my family and I have, you take things into your own hands and assume some responsibility for what care you receive and what those costs will be. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves and not rely on the government. The problem is people want insurance to pay for everything and that is not what it is for. Like with other types of insurance coverage, it is for catastrophic occurances not every day expenses.

The problem is with people such as yourself that have the attuitude "you just want to get better and don't worry about the cost because your insurance is picking up the tab" Why do you think that more government is the answer to everthing? Take responsibility of your own health and hold your doctors accountable.

If I knew how I would. But I have this insurance that I pay $600 a month into and my employer pays at least that much into..then I have a $2800 deductable. The high deductable save me $100 per month.

I have been paying for insurance for 30 years and my total claims against it have at best be $10,000. Its broke...and no one knows how to fix it.

Cody Covey
03-14-2012, 03:34 PM
If I knew how I would. But I have this insurance that I pay $600 a month into and my employer pays at least that much into..then I have a $2800 deductable. The high deductable save me $100 per month.

I have been paying for insurance for 30 years and my total claims against it have at best be $10,000. Its broke...and no one knows how to fix it.

I think you missed the memo where insurance is not a non-profit. There are plenty of those if you would like to use them. Insurance is out to make money by providing a service and charging what the market will bare.

M&K's Retrievers
03-14-2012, 03:35 PM
If I knew how I would. But I have this insurance that I pay $600 a month into and my employer pays at least that much into..then I have a $2800 deductable. The high deductable save me $100 per month.

I have been paying for insurance for 30 years and my total claims against it have at best be $10,000. Its broke...and no one knows how to fix it.

Poor little old Sambo. Been paying all these years and hasn't been sick enough to collect on his health insurance. Nothing but good health. That's really a shame.

Oh, how about your home owners or auto insurance? Been unlucky there as well or have you been fortunate enough to experience loses there so you can collect? That is the real purpose of insurance. Not protection from loss but to make money off the companies.

One thing for sure, Sambo. Keep paying your life insurance premiums and you'll get back at those greedy insurance companies.:rolleyes:

caryalsobrook
03-14-2012, 03:41 PM
So tell me why 6 speicallist have looked at my foot.

Now tell me that you don't know of doctors investing in MRI machines then refering every hang nail case to the MRI center.

The infection specialist did not think a bone biapsey was necessary, but refered me back to the orth who had an MRI done that the infection doctor really could care less about. Now the first orth dr has referred my to another orth dr to do the biapsey.

Maybe a little knowledge will allow you to see things more accurately. First of all, I NEVER refer a patient to another dentist such as a periodontist, endodontist, orthodontist or oral surgeon AND THEN try to tell him how to treat the patient. I REFER him because that dentist has more expertise in the area that the patient needs treatment. As far as to how many dentists a patient has seen as a result of my referral, I once sent a patient to the Univ. of Tenn. Dental and she saw a dentist in virtually every department of the school. The object was to DIAGNOSE AND TREAT the patient in the best possible manner. Specialists have always provided me with a report containing diagnosis, treatment if any and any care deemed necessary by me now or at a later late. If I had any questions about the report, then a simple phone call would be made. Ocasionally a question would come up between the patient and me such as treatment that the patient perceived as duplicate treatment. An example was x-rays taken by an oral surgeon when I had already taken full mouth e-rays. I simply told the patient that I had taken bite wings and periapical x-rays and the oral surgeon need a pantograph which showed things that my x-rays didn't. Patients always seemed to be curious and understood when I explained. Never did I see a patient who thought he had done this just to make money.

As far as physicians, I see an endocrinologist, dermatologist, gastroenterologist, neurologist, and GP. None will accept new patients with medicare and almost all accept no new patients. Not a condition where you would think that the doctor is trying to create unnecessary treatment to make more money. Come to think of it, maybe there sould be another specialist to explain to patients the need for specialists and the methodology used between GP's anspecialists. Certainly your comments would indicate thare might be a need for such.

From a personal perspective, I guess the most satisfying time was when I first went into private practice and had the joy of seeing my practice grow. Initially I started with only one operatory and worked til 7-8 oclock at night just to keep up. I would not equip another operatory until I was both sure that it would be used fully and that I could pay for it. Like most, I did reach the point that I did not want to work any harder just to make more money. While they were good times, the joy of growing something was gone.

It is sad that you have such a perspective of those who would care and treat you to make your life better. It would have made my practice intollerable had my patients had a attitude such as yours.

BonMallari
03-14-2012, 03:52 PM
So tell me why 6 speicallist have looked at my foot.

Now tell me that you don't know of doctors investing in MRI machines then refering every hang nail case to the MRI center.

The infection specialist did not think a bone biapsey was necessary, but refered me back to the orth who had an MRI done that the infection doctor really could care less about. Now the first orth dr has referred my to another orth dr to do the biapsey.

did it ever occur to you that none of the doctors has a definite idea of what is wrong...a mis diagnosis could be deadly, it could cost you the loss of your foot...the reason they are ordering more tests is to ELIMINATE what they suspect may be wrong....be very thankful that the first doctor didnt just say, "....sorry but we have to amputate your toe"..

I see this all the time at my brother's clinic...people come in and want INSTANT results, definitive answers, well sometimes in medicine its not that cut and dried...

If you think you know any better than one of your doctors, then try going in and tell them what procedure you want done, since you dont want to go from specialist to specialist, since you think its all a conspiracy to milk more money out of you and your insurance company...let me know when the doctor stops laughing

menmon
03-14-2012, 03:58 PM
Your still missing the point! As one of you said, I'm the well-to-do liberal that feels guilty because I'm clearly am not the young dumb one he refered to. So I can afford it. I'm trying to show that the young and dumb can't afford it. But maybe they could if it did not take 6 doctors to treat an infection in the foot, that the infection doctor told me was no big deal but would take 3 -4 months of antibotics to cure.

Just because I can afford healthcare does not mean everyone else can. I think if we can send people to the moon we can come up with a way to provide affordable healthcare. Clearly doctors want to charge as much as they can and insurance companies want to make as much as they can. That is capitalism and I have embraced it. Healthcare should not just be available for privledged...end of story.

menmon
03-14-2012, 04:01 PM
did it ever occur to you that none of the doctors has a definite idea of what is wrong...a mis diagnosis could be deadly, it could cost you the loss of your foot...the reason they are ordering more tests is to ELIMINATE what they suspect may be wrong....be very thankful that the first doctor didnt just say, "....sorry but we have to amputate your toe"..

I see this all the time at my brother's clinic...people come in and want INSTANT results, definitive answers, well sometimes in medicine its not that cut and dried...

If you think you know any better than one of your doctors, then try going in and tell them what procedure you want done, since you dont want to go from specialist to specialist, since you think its all a conspiracy to milk more money out of you and your insurance company...let me know when the doctor stops laughing

I get that

M&K's Retrievers
03-14-2012, 08:34 PM
I kinda wish DNF was here to respond to this rambling from Sambo.

Liberal Doctor vs Liberal pawn broker.:cool:

Dueling banjos regards,

Jason Glavich
03-15-2012, 07:07 AM
I think your current situation has nothing to do with insurance companies or profit margins. The Doctors are stumped and trying to figure out what is wrong, at least they are not just tossing drugs at the issue and hoping for the best. I have dealt with a doc who didn't care.

I had 1 doctor who was sure he knew what was wrong with me. I left the ER with the diagnosis of basically a large bruise on my backside and some skin abrasions from wrecking my ATV. They called me back later when a better doc looked at the xrays and realized I had a broken hip, broken ankle, and broken toe. The first doc told me the xrays were clear but hard to read due to swelling. First doc sent me home with 1 crutch because I begged for it, he really did not think I needed it, due to it just being a bruise, but because I lived on the 3rd deck of my barracks he decided it was ok to give me 1. Oh and he gave me 2 days of light duty so I did not have to PT till Monday Morning with my platoon, so he gave me 2 days of light duty to heal from a broken hip,ankle and toe. Hooray for him not wanting another opinion.

I would gladly take the opinion of several docs to get the right answer regardless of cost. Some Cases are just way more difficult than others not everything is as simple to diagnose.

menmon
03-15-2012, 10:14 AM
did it ever occur to you that none of the doctors has a definite idea of what is wrong...a mis diagnosis could be deadly, it could cost you the loss of your foot...the reason they are ordering more tests is to ELIMINATE what they suspect may be wrong....be very thankful that the first doctor didnt just say, "....sorry but we have to amputate your toe"..

I see this all the time at my brother's clinic...people come in and want INSTANT results, definitive answers, well sometimes in medicine its not that cut and dried...

If you think you know any better than one of your doctors, then try going in and tell them what procedure you want done, since you dont want to go from specialist to specialist, since you think its all a conspiracy to milk more money out of you and your insurance company...let me know when the doctor stops laughing

Actually the doctor at the urgent care told me what was wrong and what need done and the rest of these yahoos have been ping ponging me back and forth but the end game is what the first doctor said. At this point, I don't care anymore because the insurance is paying. That's my point. The system is broke. I have no problem paying a man a good wage, even more that its worth for good service and success. But to watch them all grab a tit and suck as much out of this as they can, I have a problem with, and I think the reform of healthcare takes some of this into account. Not sure yet, but at least it is an attempt, instead of continuing to play the game the doctors and insurance companies designed.

caryalsobrook
03-15-2012, 11:07 PM
Actually the doctor at the urgent care told me what was wrong and what need done and the rest of these yahoos have been ping ponging me back and forth but the end game is what the first doctor said. At this point, I don't care anymore because the insurance is paying. That's my point. The system is broke. I have no problem paying a man a good wage, even more that its worth for good service and success. But to watch them all grab a tit and suck as much out of this as they can, I have a problem with, and I think the reform of healthcare takes some of this into account. Not sure yet, but at least it is an attempt, instead of continuing to play the game the doctors and insurance companies designed.

Too bad you didn't become a doctor then you could have shown them how it should be done. i have no trouble seeing who the yahoo is or should I say idiot.

BonMallari
03-15-2012, 11:26 PM
Actually the doctor at the urgent care told me what was wrong and what need done and the rest of these yahoos have been ping ponging me back and forth but the end game is what the first doctor said. At this point, I don't care anymore because the insurance is paying. That's my point. The system is broke. I have no problem paying a man a good wage, even more that its worth for good service and success. But to watch them all grab a tit and suck as much out of this as they can, I have a problem with, and I think the reform of healthcare takes some of this into account. Not sure yet, but at least it is an attempt, instead of continuing to play the game the doctors and insurance companies designed.


if the attending at the urgent care told you what was wrong, why didnt you follow up on his/her diagnosis if you were so sure it was correct

Is this somehow a Workmen's Comp Claim....because if it is the reason no doctor wants to sign off on it without a definitive answer is because the risk of a malpractice litigation suit...

Who is making you go see these other doctors ?

menmon
03-19-2012, 11:13 AM
if the attending at the urgent care told you what was wrong, why didnt you follow up on his/her diagnosis if you were so sure it was correct

Is this somehow a Workmen's Comp Claim....because if it is the reason no doctor wants to sign off on it without a definitive answer is because the risk of a malpractice litigation suit...

Who is making you go see these other doctors ?

The urgent care doctor sent me to the first doctor

luvmylabs23139
03-19-2012, 12:20 PM
I don't care anymore because the insurance is paying. That's my point..

I don't get this? Who cares who is paying you still don't have an answer and are not better.
Aren't you more concerned about what the heck is wrong?

menmon
03-19-2012, 12:47 PM
I don't get this? Who cares who is paying you still don't have an answer and are not better.
Aren't you more concerned about what the heck is wrong?

The urgent care doctor told me what need done. The fact that no one has really examined me yet but have seen 4 new doctors. Hopefully todays visit get the bone tap done but it will be hi how are you and make another appointment. I'm smart enough to know that you need to byapsy the bone, just do it. The rotation with doctors is a waste. I'm not concerned about cost anymore because insurance is paying it but I don't have time for the multiply doctor visits.