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Franco
04-18-2012, 06:52 AM
I am sure most have read or heard the comments made by Ted Nugent this past weekend at the NRA Convention. He is taking a lot of heat for what he said from the left and much of the media. Even the Secret Service is looking into the matter, which is nuts given all the things that were said about Bush43 (though a lot of it was deserved).

I say that most are missing the point of Mr Nugent's comments. We either continue on our path of European style socialism, larger Fed government, more entitlements, bigger and more powerful worker's unions, continued down grading of our credit rating and larger deficits or we return to the ideals that made the USA the greatest country on earth!

troy schwab
04-18-2012, 07:00 AM
Im with you Franco..... He'll get roasted by the democratic media...... but he made his point, and for that I thank him. The Secret service has bigger fish to fry.......LOL Its a shame more celebrities dont have the stones to speak their mind like nuge....... Might bring attention to the real problem.

Jason Glavich
04-18-2012, 07:21 AM
Yeh, but Farrakhan, and the NBPP can call for extermination of the white man and that is ok.

Oh yeh I forgot they feel Nuge threatened the prez, not the majority of the population.

Julie R.
04-18-2012, 07:29 AM
Its a shame more celebrities dont have the stones to speak their mind like nuge....... Might bring attention to the real problem.

Agree that Nugent will be (is) skewered by the media, but sadly there are far too many Hollywood celebrities that spout off their socialist b.s. that are given far too much attention and credibility. The majority of dumbed-down Americans know more about Oprah and Dancing with the Stars than about how the country is run.

Jason Glavich
04-18-2012, 07:49 AM
Agree that Nugent will be (is) skewered by the media, but sadly there are far too many Hollywood celebrities that spout off their socialist b.s. that are given far too much attention and credibility. The majority of dumbed-down Americans know more about Oprah and Dancing with the Stars than about how the country is run.

But what if they did not know who was voted off last night? That has a real impact on their lives...

Buzz
04-18-2012, 08:09 AM
I would love to see the reaction from you folks if Al Sharpton for example had said exactly the same thing about a Republican president.

road kill
04-18-2012, 08:21 AM
I would love to see the reaction from you folks if Al Sharpton for example had said exactly the same thing about a Republican president.
Or Louis Farrakahn or the Black Panthers or Maxine Watters??

Nugent was out of line.
End of story.


Now, I would like just once to see one of our resident progressives call out just one of thier own.

Just once!


RK

troy schwab
04-18-2012, 08:42 AM
RK,
I disagree actually.... while I dont necessarily agree with his terminology.... the point was delivered with emotion, to spark emotion, and thats what its gonna take to get this country out of the hellish handbasket its in. Blunt, ugly, that how Nuge always rolls...... no one should be surprised, particularly if you follow the Nuge. The only thing I wish Nuge would have thought about was how the media would spin it..... but hindsight is always 20/20. When your only outlet is the media.... you take what the market bears..... in this case.... well... he'll be scrutinized beyond belief. But I still tip my hat to him for speaking his mind, as twisted as it may be.

Franco
04-18-2012, 08:44 AM
I would love to see the reaction from you folks if Al Sharpton for example had said exactly the same thing about a Republican president.

He's said worse numerous times and most have learned to just ignore him.

Speaking of the race baiter, where was Sharpton's outrage over this racial incident?

http://www.nationalreview.com/phi-beta-cons/296337/racist-nathan-harden

P S
Ted Nugent did not threaten the President. He has the right to voice his opinion and disgust.

road kill
04-18-2012, 08:56 AM
RK,
I disagree actually.... while I dont necessarily agree with his terminology.... the point was delivered with emotion, to spark emotion, and thats what its gonna take to get this country out of the hellish handbasket its in. Blunt, ugly, that how Nuge always rolls...... no one should be surprised, particularly if you follow the Nuge. The only thing I wish Nuge would have thought about was how the media would spin it..... but hindsight is always 20/20. When your only outlet is the media.... you take what the market bears..... in this case.... well... he'll be scrutinized beyond belief. But I still tip my hat to him for speaking his mind, as twisted as it may be.
I have seen Nugent several times.
Concerts and archery shows.
His language is colorful for sure.
Some terms he uses I do not, they have nothing but negative connotations.
You know exactly what I mean.
I know who and what he is.
He was out of line with any threat of something illegal.
Unless you think he would be imprisoned for doing something legal?
And now that I think of it, under this regime, that is possible!!

How ever, I called him out for innapropriate innuendo.

And again, just once, I would like to see one of our resident idealogues call out a fellow traveler!!

Ain't happenin'.........


RK

M&K's Retrievers
04-18-2012, 08:56 AM
He's said worse numerous times and most have learned to just ignore him.

Speaking of the race baiter, where was Sharpton's outrage over this racial incident?

http://www.nationalreview.com/phi-beta-cons/296337/racist-nathan-harden

P S
Ted Nugent did not threaten the President. He has the right to voice his opinion and disgust.

Didn't some Black politician (forget who) recently say that the GOP wouldn't be happy until all Blacks were hanging from trees? Maybe that's where those kids got the idea but more likely from their teachers.

Franco
04-18-2012, 09:33 AM
Didn't some Black politician (forget who) recently say that the GOP wouldn't be happy until all Blacks were hanging from trees? Maybe that's where those kids got the idea but more likely from their teachers.

I must have missed that story in the news. No doubt that today we live in an era where Reverse Discrimination is tolerated.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/296005/holder-meets-sharpton-andrew-c-mccarthy

Franco
04-18-2012, 09:34 AM
I have seen Nugent several times.
Concerts and archery shows.
His language is colorful for sure.
Some terms he uses I do not, they have nothing but negative connotations.
You know exactly what I mean.
I know who and what he is.
He was out of line with any threat of something illegal.
Unless you think he would be imprisoned for doing something legal?
And now that I think of it, under this regime, that is possible!!

How ever, I called him out for innapropriate innuendo.

And again, just once, I would like to see one of our resident idealogues call out a fellow traveler!!

Ain't happenin'.........


RK

What threat did he make?

road kill
04-18-2012, 09:36 AM
What threat did he make?
Unless you think he would be imprisoned for doing something legal?

(you inadvertantly left this line out, or maybe it was advertantly left out:rolleyes:)


Did he think he would be sent to jail for doing something LEGAL???

That is an implied threat.

I am not surprised you missed that though.

You think the SS is checking that out because they are bored?


RK

Buzz
04-18-2012, 09:38 AM
RK,
I disagree actually.... while I dont necessarily agree with his terminology.... the point was delivered with emotion, to spark emotion, and thats what its gonna take to get this country out of the hellish handbasket its in. Blunt, ugly, that how Nuge always rolls...... no one should be surprised, particularly if you follow the Nuge. The only thing I wish Nuge would have thought about was how the media would spin it..... but hindsight is always 20/20. When your only outlet is the media.... you take what the market bears..... in this case.... well... he'll be scrutinized beyond belief. But I still tip my hat to him for speaking his mind, as twisted as it may be.

Parents of a guy I went to high school with were good friends with Nugent. He owns land near them & hunts there often. He is a strange bird to say the least.

Franco
04-18-2012, 09:40 AM
Did he think he would be sent to jail for doing something LEGAL???

That is an implied threat.

I am not surprised you missed that though.

You think the SS is checking that out because they are bored?


RK

Again, what threat did he make?

Implying that he might be dead or in jail is not a threat to anyone!

M&K's Retrievers
04-18-2012, 09:49 AM
Didn't some Black politician (forget who) recently say that the GOP wouldn't be happy until all Blacks were hanging from trees? Maybe that's where those kids got the idea but more likely from their teachers.

Found it. Rep Andre Carson, Dem from Indiana, while addressing the Congressional Black Caucus on 8/31/11 said "some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree."

What if a white Congressman was addressing the Congressional White Caucus and said..oh wait. There isn't a Congressional White Caucus is there?:rolleyes:

road kill
04-18-2012, 09:51 AM
Again, what threat did he make?

Implying that he might be dead or in jail is not a threat to anyone!
Then why is SS looking into it?

Words mean things, what did his words mean to you?

RK

Buzz
04-18-2012, 09:56 AM
Then why is SS looking into it?

Words mean things, what did his words mean to you?

RK

It scares me when we agree on things. Are you turning into a closet liberal or am I turning into a closet conservative? :rolleyes:

road kill
04-18-2012, 09:57 AM
It scares me when we agree on things. Are you turning into a closet liberal or am I turning into a closet conservative? :rolleyes:
My Dad taught me right from wrong, probably the same with you.


stan b

Franco
04-18-2012, 10:51 AM
Then why is SS looking into it?

Words mean things, what did his words mean to you?

RK

Have you never heard the expression, "I'm going to __________, even if I die trying" or I'm going to accomplish such and such even if it kills me"?

Who knows what motivates the SS. Maybe Eric Holder? Afterall, they are in hot water right now and are just covering their asses.

Brian Cockfield
04-18-2012, 11:27 AM
Then why is SS looking into it?

Words mean things, what did his words mean to you?

RK
His words mean he's an idiot to me, but hardly a threat. I don't particularly care for Nugent and some of his antics but I hardly believe the SS considers him a threat. Give me a break.

road kill
04-18-2012, 11:32 AM
His words mean he's an idiot to me, but hardly a threat. I don't particularly care for Nugent and some of his antics but I hardly believe the SS considers him a threat. Give me a break.

Hey, I didn't send them!!

RK

Brian Cockfield
04-18-2012, 11:33 AM
My Dad taught me right from wrong, probably the same with you.


stan b
On a completely different subject, what is the dog's breeding in your avatar RK? He is handsome.

Brian Cockfield
04-18-2012, 11:37 AM
Hey, I didn't send them!!

RK
Not attacking the messenger, just giving my thoughts on the subject. They have much more important things to be doing than looking into Ted Nugent. He's a big mouth but I don't consider him dangerous.

BonMallari
04-18-2012, 11:45 AM
His words mean he's an idiot to me, but hardly a threat. I don't particularly care for Nugent and some of his antics but I hardly believe the SS considers him a threat. Give me a break.

Nugent's comments were out of line....and in bad taste, even for an NRA convention...the only reason he is being "investigated" is because it makes good press..the WH knows he is a symbol/hero for many gun toting conservatives, any chance they have to tarnish that image is a plus in their eyes..but in reality all it does is ramp up the rhetoric another notch

The WH is going to deflect the conversation away from BHO's record and try and make the election about Romney's wealth,contraception,white vs black, and millionaires not paying their "fair share"

Blackstone
04-18-2012, 11:45 AM
I have a friend who was a SS Agent, now retired. From conversations I've had with him, I can tell you, they take all such comments seriously, whether they think you are going to do something or incite others to act. It's their job to detrime the threat level. I'm not surprised they plan to talk with him.

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 11:56 AM
HOW come no one took the black panters serious? I heard they are a great bunch of people they do great work, as they satnd there saying they will kill one of ours if we kill one of theirs, calling for vilolence marching shedding blood calling white people every hateful name under the sun, placing a bounty on a FREE American's head how come no one takes issue with that! On the SS issue, Maybe if Pres Obabma had a son he would look like one of the SS service agents that might be the excuse he will use not to deal with this issue He said he will be angry( boy thats a hard word) if this turns out to be true not people will be held accountable people will be fired but he will be angry.

paul young
04-18-2012, 01:11 PM
I would think you would be ok with angry. After all, it's how you live your life, or at least how you represent yourself in your posts.

The amount and depth of anger and loathing on this message board is scary at times.-Paul

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 01:33 PM
I just think its terrible that all that hate could be made public on TV and its no big deal and Nuggent says something and gets all this attention. Pres Obama is already defending these SS people and its disgusting.

Blackstone
04-18-2012, 01:37 PM
HOW come no one took the black panters serious? I heard they are a great bunch of people they do great work, as they satnd there saying they will kill one of ours if we kill one of theirs, calling for vilolence marching shedding blood calling white people every hateful name under the sun, placing a bounty on a FREE American's head how come no one takes issue with that! On the SS issue, Maybe if Pres Obabma had a son he would look like one of the SS service agents that might be the excuse he will use not to deal with this issue He said he will be angry( boy thats a hard word) if this turns out to be true not people will be held accountable people will be fired but he will be angry.

Obviously, you are taking them seriously. So, the media has accomplished with you what it set out to . . . create sensationalism. However, most people don't take them seriously because they realize they are just a fringe hate group spouting ridiculous ideologies. Them calling for violence against whites is no different than the KKK, Aryan Nation, Rahowa, Christian Identity, neo-Nazis, & other white supremacist groups calling for violence against non-whites. Do you take those groups seriously? I haven’t seen you mention anything about them. I'm sure if the New Black Panther Party summons up the courage to actually act on their convictions, they will be taken seriously. But, until then, they are just a small group of nuts.

Obama does not have the authority to fire SS Agents. I'm sure he could bring a lot of pressure to bear, but the SS is not under his control.

road kill
04-18-2012, 02:07 PM
The Rant;




..Secret Service looking into Ted Nugent's violent anti-Obama rant
By Lee-Anne Goodman, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – 17 hours ago....


At a convention of the National Rifle Association over the weekend, the longtime gun advocate compared Obama and the Democrats to a coyote who should be shot.

"It isn't the enemy that ruined America," he said as he reaffirmed his endorsement of Republican front-runner Mitt Romney.

"It's good people who bent over and let the enemy in. If the coyote's in your living room pissing on your couch, it's not the coyote's fault. It's your fault for not shooting him."

He accused the Obama administration of being "evil" and "America-hating."

"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year," he said angrily. "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November."

He then told his audience of proud gun-owners that if they failed to "clean house in this vile, evil, America-hating administration, I don't even know what you're made out of."

The Secret Service says it's aware of the weekend remarks and is looking into them. It's illegal in the United States to threaten the commander-in-chief.

The Romney campaign, meantime, attempted to distance itself from Nugent on Tuesday, undoubtedly regretting the former Massachusetts governor's comments last month to a Missouri radio show: "It's been fun getting to know Ted Nugent."

"Divisive language is offensive no matter what side of the political aisle it comes from," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an email to reporters. "Mitt Romney believes everyone needs to be civil."

Romney sought, and secured, the endorsement last month of the rock guitarist from his native state of Michigan. It was a curious move by Romney given he'd already won the Michigan primary in February.

The Democratic National Committee called on Romney to strongly condemn the remarks by Nugent, best known for his late '70s hit "Cat Scratch Fever."

"Threatening violence — or whatever it is that Nugent's threatening — is clearly beyond the pale, but Nugent's not the one running for president," said DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

At the daily White House press briefing on Tuesday, spokesman Jay Carney wouldn't comment on Nugent's remarks.

"We can't be policing the statement of supporters across the board. The president is focused on the issues," he said.

Nugent, however, was unapologetic, telling conservative radio host Dana Loesch that his incendiary remarks were "100 per cent positive."

"I will stand by my speech," he said, adding he'd been unfairly targeted for his comments.

"I'm a black Jew at a Nazi-Klan rally. And there are some power-abusing, corrupt monsters in our federal government that despise me because I have the audacity to speak the truth."

He then upped the ante by heaping more scorn on Democrats, describing Wasserman Schultz as a "brain-dead, soulless, heartless idiot."

Nancy Pelosi, minority leader for the House of Representatives, he added, is a "sub-human scoundrel."

Nugent also claimed the generally mild-mannered Romney agreed with his remarks.

"Mitt Romney knows what I'm saying is true. He puts it into words for him, I put it into words for me," he said.





RK

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 02:29 PM
i believe they (SS) are all part of the Obama administration

Blackstone
04-18-2012, 03:09 PM
i believe they (SS) are all part of the Obama administration

They have never been a part of any administration. They are part of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Prior to that, they were a Div. of the Department of the Treasury.

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 03:29 PM
don't they all still fall under the President The Secretary of Homeland Security serves as a member of the president's Cabinet . I would think they would be busy looking into their own mess and not worry about Ted

paul young
04-18-2012, 03:50 PM
the President is not a King; apparently you don't understand that.-Paul

Gun_Dog2002
04-18-2012, 03:53 PM
He didn't threaten to kill the president. What he said was against the democratic party. He also said it in relation to the voting process in November. Nothing is going to be done with him, frankly it would hurt the Democrats politically to do this. This whole "investigating him" is in the news because the SS just got hammered for prostitution so all of a sudden we have a news story about them to divert attention that they apparently can't afford to pay 50 bucks for sex. I wonder if they are going to investigate the entire crowd of folks that cheered and applauded Nugent when he said this..?

/Paul

road kill
04-18-2012, 03:55 PM
the President is not a King; apparently he doesn't understand that.-Paul

Fixed!:D


RK

road kill
04-18-2012, 03:56 PM
He didn't threaten to kill the president. What he said was against the democratic party. He also said it in relation to the voting process in November. Nothing is going to be done with him, frankly it would hurt the Democrats politically to do this. This whole "investigating him" is in the news because the SS just got hammered for prostitution so all of a sudden we have a news story about them to divert attention that they apparently can't afford to pay 50 bucks for sex. I wonder if they are going to investigate the entire crowd of folks that cheered and applauded Nugent when he said this..?

/Paul
Would that surprise you??


RK

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 04:02 PM
Oh, the old Don't look over here, look over there! All of a sudden after all the things that have been said they worry about a comment from Nugent.

Buzz
04-18-2012, 04:35 PM
Obviously, you are taking them seriously. So, the media has accomplished with you what it set out to . . . create sensationalism. However, most people don't take them seriously because they realize they are just a fringe hate group spouting ridiculous ideologies. Them calling for violence against whites is no different than the KKK, Aryan Nation, Rahowa, Christian Identity, neo-Nazis, & other white supremacist groups calling for violence against non-whites. Do you take those groups seriously? I haven’t seen you mention anything about them. I'm sure if the New Black Panther Party summons up the courage to actually act on their convictions, they will be taken seriously. But, until then, they are just a small group of nuts.

Obama does not have the authority to fire SS Agents. I'm sure he could bring a lot of pressure to bear, but the SS is not under his control.

My perception of the NBPP is that it is made up of a couple of nuts who stood out in front of a polling station. I wonder when their 15 minutes of fame will be up? I think they are blown way out of proportion to stoke fear in people who are afraid of people who look like them.

gmhr1
04-18-2012, 04:41 PM
You must not have heard what they said during the whole Trayvon Martin case if Nugent said half of what they or Al Sharpton said he would have already been picked up, you should not be allowed to put a bounty on anyone saying wanted dead or alive and people just accept it. Eric Holder hugs Sharpton and the SS investigate Nugent.

paul young
04-18-2012, 07:38 PM
Fixed!:D


RK

Thanks, Stan! What would i do without you?-Paul

road kill
04-18-2012, 07:57 PM
Thanks, Stan! What would i do without you?-Paul

You would miss a couple cheap juvenile chuckles!;-)

RK

Matt McKenzie
04-19-2012, 07:04 AM
My thoughts on the issue:
Ted is passionately patriotic and believes strongly that the current administration is bad for the country.
Ted lets his mouth get ahead of his brain more often than not.
He has that part of his personality like most entertainers that requires him to do things to get attention.
He chose words that could be understood to mean that he's suggesting violence.
He isn't an elected official, a leader of a political organization or a spokesman for anyone other than Ted Nugent.
If the SS believes that there may be a threat, they will discuss it with him.
I think it was a knucklehead move, but overall, it's much ado about nothing. The media can spin it up and the left can try to pin it on the right, but we all know that it doesn't really mean anything other than an opportunity to distract us from real issues. One man's opinion.

Brian Cockfield
04-19-2012, 07:52 AM
My thoughts on the issue:
Ted is passionately patriotic and believes strongly that the current administration is bad for the country.
Ted lets his mouth get ahead of his brain more often than not.
He has that part of his personality like most entertainers that requires him to do things to get attention.
He chose words that could be understood to mean that he's suggesting violence.
He isn't an elected official, a leader of a political organization or a spokesman for anyone other than Ted Nugent.
If the SS believes that there may be a threat, they will discuss it with him.
I think it was a knucklehead move, but overall, it's much ado about nothing. The media can spin it up and the left can try to pin it on the right, but we all know that it doesn't really mean anything other than an opportunity to distract us from real issues. One man's opinion.
Yep, nailed it.

IowaBayDog
04-19-2012, 08:05 AM
Then why is SS looking into it?

Words mean things, what did his words mean to you?

RK

I believe he meant exactly what you are implying or saying directly. If this regime is re-elected he will be dead or in jail because the regime will see to it. No matter what his real meaning was there is still no direct threat to any individual.

This gets uber coverage because Obama is in desperation mode. The polarizing effect in this country is happening at an exponential rate. Without real change bad things are going to happen, they may happen no matter who gets elected. The election will just determine who is the instigator or it. Stockpile your ammunition people!! Better prepared that sorry.

IowaBayDog
04-19-2012, 08:07 AM
My perception of the NBPP is that it is made up of a couple of nuts who stood out in front of a polling station. I wonder when their 15 minutes of fame will be up? I think they are blown way out of proportion to stoke fear in people who are afraid of people who look like them.


You may want to do a little research to educate your perception. They are quite a bit more organized, not to mention entrenched in high places after the last 3 years, than you realize.

road kill
04-19-2012, 08:12 AM
I played ball in college with a guy that became a SS Agent.
We remained friends all these decades!!:rolleyes:

His mission?

Presidential security, financial security.
(counterfitting, etc.)

A threat, implied or otherwise, towards the President MUST be looked into.


RK

M&K's Retrievers
04-19-2012, 08:22 AM
The only threat Nugent made was to himself. He was just popping off.

gmhr1
04-19-2012, 12:23 PM
Calls from the left to arrest him can we say Double Standard. What about the rapper Common, who made threats against Bush calling for burning of bush yet he was invited him to the white house. His threats were not investigated.

backagain
04-19-2012, 12:30 PM
You see threats all the time coming from the left especially those in the occupy movement. The destroy property and nothing is done. You have a racist organization taking a bounty out on someone and nothing is done. You have the same party harassing voters in Philly and nothing is done. Double standard!

paul young
04-19-2012, 03:14 PM
My thoughts on the issue:
Ted is passionately patriotic and believes strongly that the current administration is bad for the country.
Ted lets his mouth get ahead of his brain more often than not.
He has that part of his personality like most entertainers that requires him to do things to get attention.
He chose words that could be understood to mean that he's suggesting violence.
He isn't an elected official, a leader of a political organization or a spokesman for anyone other than Ted Nugent.
If the SS believes that there may be a threat, they will discuss it with him.
I think it was a knucklehead move, but overall, it's much ado about nothing. The media can spin it up and the left can try to pin it on the right, but we all know that it doesn't really mean anything other than an opportunity to distract us from real issues. One man's opinion.


agree 100% with this post.-Paul