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road kill
05-09-2012, 06:50 AM
Walker supporters have spoken!!!

He had more votes than Barrett and DA UNION's hand maiden Kathleen Falk combined!
And Walker ran unopposed............

Walker=626,538

Barret=390,129
Falk=228,940
Dems total=619,069
(remember the 1,000,000 recall signatures? They forgot to vote!!:cool:)


Speaks volumes!!!!

$8,000,000+ wasted for a tantrum!!!:rolleyes:

Now we get ready for June.
$8,000,000 more wasted money for a tantrum.

ErinsEdge
05-09-2012, 07:46 AM
Stan, is it a law now we have to sign the poll books or is this just for the recall? It sure points out there was some scamming going on that they didn't have the numbers. So $16M just to have him beat Barret again who can't clean up Milwaukee and all its problems. Heavy voting for sure in my burg.

road kill
05-09-2012, 08:34 AM
Stan, is it a law now we have to sign the poll books or is this just for the recall? It sure points out there was some scamming going on that they didn't have the numbers. So $16M just to have him beat Barret again who can't clean up Milwaukee and all its problems. Heavy voting for sure in my burg.

I am not sure on the signature.
That was the first time I ever had to do it.
I was proud to though.

We have to make sure that only legal voters vote!
I don't understand why the progressives fear that so much!!!;-)

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 08:52 AM
I was proud to sign as well.

#198 at 8am!

Buzz
05-09-2012, 09:15 AM
You guys never signed the books? I've lived in 3 states and had to sign in all of them.

road kill
05-09-2012, 09:23 AM
You guys never signed the books? I've lived in 3 states and had to sign in all of them.
Buzz, we never did before in WI.
This is another "EVIL" ploy by those dastardly Republicans!!

Sue Kiefer
05-09-2012, 09:51 AM
I can't wait till this is all over.
The ads on both TV and radio?
The best thing that happened was that Tom B. won .
Good Grief Tom B. against Scott Walker.
That's a no brainer.
It was almost worth all the money and time spent:rolleyes::rolleyes::-x
Scott rock on.
Sue

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 11:07 AM
Headline Madison, WI: A lawsuit was filed to have the primary votes for Gov Walker to be nullified.

;)

ARay11
05-09-2012, 11:30 AM
Just so I understand this correctly...
The people of WI elected a man who is reforming their state to the people's liking and the establishment does NOT like this so they keep trying to UN elect him?

road kill
05-09-2012, 11:35 AM
Just so I understand this correctly...
The people of WI elected a man who is reforming their state to the people's liking and DA UNION does NOT like this so they keep trying to UN elect him?

Fixed and yes!

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 11:37 AM
that is correct ARay, plus they are wasting millions of dollars in the process.

The Dems had control of this state for many many years and now a Rep gets elected and they can't stand it.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 11:54 AM
87,792 more people voted for Lt Gov than all the Dem nominees combined.

TY 4
05-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Just so I understand this correctly...
The people of WI elected a man who is reforming their state to the people's liking and the establishment does NOT like this so they keep trying to UN elect him?

There's people that I know not even part of a union that dislike scotty!

road kill
05-09-2012, 01:26 PM
There's people that I know not even part of a union that dislike scotty!

So, why are they recalling him?
Because they don't like him?

TY 4
05-09-2012, 01:30 PM
So, why are they recalling him?
Because they don't like him?

Must not like his views, didn't interview them.

road kill
05-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Must not like his views, didn't interview them.
So he was recalled becuase of his views?

I am teasing you, I know I won't get a straight answer on why he is recalled.
I have no issue with differing opinions, I mean I don't like the current President.
But, just like Walker, he was ELECTED and gets his term, unlike Walker.

I guess it's just that way sometimes.

$8,000,000 wasted regards.........:rolleyes:

And for what?

ARay11
05-09-2012, 01:44 PM
There's people that I know not even part of a union that dislike scotty!

so how'd he get voted in?

TY 4
05-09-2012, 01:45 PM
Stan, it is what it is. Everyone has there reasons, I have mine you have yours that part of being an American.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 01:49 PM
The state law does need to be amended to say that you can't recall somebody for no particular reason.

road kill
05-09-2012, 01:50 PM
Stan, it is what it is. Everyone has there reasons, I have mine you have yours that part of being an American.

Well then. my reasons should count as well?
But apparently, when I voted for Walker the first time and yesterday as well.
Walker was elected for a 4 year term, someone didn't like it and threw a tantrum.
As a result, we have wasted $8,000,000 of taxpayers money on a recall election primary, with anothe $8,000,000 + to be wasted on a mulligan for Barrett.

I'll bet you can't wait to vote for Barrett, I mean knowing what a friend he is to the Unions.
He is especially beloved by the Police and Firefighters Unions here in Milwaukee, isn't he???


Why was Walker recalled?
What good came from the wasted taxpayers money?

None of this has helped me......my dog still won't sit still!!!:rolleyes:

Cody Covey
05-09-2012, 02:15 PM
Well then. my reasons should count as well?
But apparently, when I voted for Walker the first time and yesterday as well.
Walker was elected for a 4 year term, someone didn't like it and threw a tantrum.
As a result, we have wasted $8,000,000 of taxpayers money on a recall election primary, with anothe $8,000,000 + to be wasted on a mulligan for Barrett.

I'll bet you can't wait to vote for Barrett, I mean knowing what a friend he is to the Unions.
He is especially beloved by the Police and Firefighters Unions here in Milwaukee, isn't he???


Why was Walker recalled?
What good came from the wasted taxpayers money?

None of this has helped me......my dog still won't sit still!!!:rolleyes:

Free E-Collars for all!!!

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 02:33 PM
damn, and I just purchased a TT off TY 4 a week ago!
yes Layne, it's me, Dan from Lake Link. small world!

Corey Capozzi
05-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Go Wisconsin! i moved from burlington and did 3 years at UWM then moved to TX. im proud of everyone standing up and supporting someone who wants real change

LokiMeister
05-09-2012, 03:45 PM
Stan, is it a law now we have to sign the poll books or is this just for the recall? It sure points out there was some scamming going on that they didn't have the numbers. So $16M just to have him beat Barret again who can't clean up Milwaukee and all its problems. Heavy voting for sure in my burg.

Didn't you guys sign for the Presidential Primary in February? I did.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 04:01 PM
LOL and some of us just got outed for not voting in the Presidential Primary earlier this year.

mngundog
05-09-2012, 05:18 PM
I have no issue with differing opinions, I mean I don't like the current President.
But, just like Walker, he was ELECTED and gets his term, unlike Walker.

Brings back memories of the Clinton impeachment, wonder how much that cost us.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 05:28 PM
Clinton lied while under oath, which is a crime.

apples meet oranges

TY 4
05-09-2012, 05:30 PM
Well then. my reasons should count as well?
But apparently, when I voted for Walker the first time and yesterday as well.
Walker was elected for a 4 year term, someone didn't like it and threw a tantrum.
As a result, we have wasted $8,000,000 of taxpayers money on a recall election primary, with anothe $8,000,000 + to be wasted on a mulligan for Barrett.

I'll bet you can't wait to vote for Barrett, I mean knowing what a friend he is to the Unions.
He is especially beloved by the Police and Firefighters Unions here in Milwaukee, isn't he???


Why was Walker recalled?
What good came from the wasted taxpayers money?

None of this has helped me......my dog still won't sit still!!!:rolleyes: Your reasons do count. And yes I will be voting for Barrett, because I'm a Union Firefighter. I own two businesses and haven't seen any breaks. Both businesses and my property taxes went up. I thought Scotty said this wasn't suppose to happen. And I'm also a taxpayer.

mngundog
05-09-2012, 05:32 PM
Clinton lied while under oath, which is a crime.

apples meet oranges
Both parties used a legal means to try to throwout an elected official, apples to apples.

Corey Capozzi
05-09-2012, 05:33 PM
My Milwaukee Firefighter friends ... maybe 10 in total and their friends actually support walker, they understand that this is needed to help the state.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 05:40 PM
Both parties used a legal means to try to throwout an elected official, apples to apples.

nobody is questioning the means but rather the reasons behind the means. One person did something illegal and the forced a group of people to make some cuts and they were understandably upset about.

TY 4
05-09-2012, 05:43 PM
damn, and I just purchased a TT off TY 4 a week ago!
yes Layne, it's me, Dan from Lake Link. small world!

Hey Dan, how are you doing?

TY 4
05-09-2012, 05:49 PM
My Milwaukee Firefighter friends ... maybe 10 in total and their friends actually support walker, they understand that this is needed to help the state. I have some buddies
that work for MFD too. Milwaukee was the only career Fire Department that backed scotty in the state. Milwaukee Police backed scotty too.

Daniel J Simoens
05-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Hey Dan, how are you doing?

things are going great thanks. just getting myself into trouble talking politics. I really need to stay out of this stuff!! :cool:

I've got a buddy who is a FF and his wife is a teacher. Needless to say, we NEVER talk politics anymore. :evil:

mngundog
05-09-2012, 06:58 PM
nobody is questioning the means but rather the reasons behind the means. One person did something illegal and the forced a group of people to make some cuts and they were understandably upset about.
Pretty much the same means and the same reason behind the means.

road kill
05-10-2012, 08:41 AM
Both parties used a legal means to try to throwout an elected official, apples to apples.
Are you trying to draw a moral equivilancy between illicit sex out of marriage with an intern in the White House, lieing about it to the nation and under oath before Congress to balancing a state budget?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mngundog
05-10-2012, 08:54 AM
Are you trying to draw a moral equivilancy between illicit sex out of marriage with an intern in the White House, lieing about it to the nation and under oath before Congress to balancing a state budget?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/xenophbe/roflmao.gif
Not at all talking about the moral equivalency, just the legal means to the end that both parties have used to waste the tax payer money in attempting the throw the others elected candidate out of office.

ErinsEdge
05-10-2012, 09:13 AM
I own two businesses and haven't seen any breaks. Both businesses and my property taxes went up.

Lane, my property taxes went down, in fact, enough to almost pay my home owners. How did your businesses go up? I don't think we can blame Walker for gas prices or shipping costs so what part went up?

road kill
05-10-2012, 10:05 AM
I think it is histerical that 1,000,000 people were so fervent in their desire to get rid of Walker that they signed petitions.

But when the time cam to chose his replacement, they were no where to be found.

Maybe there was some petition fraud?
Or they changed their minds?
Or Walkers fixes are working?

What do YOU think caused those 350,000 petitioners to stay home??

Just askin'............

My taxes went down as well!!:D

mngundog
05-10-2012, 10:31 AM
I think it is histerical that 1,000,000 people were so fervent in their desire to get rid of Walker that they signed petitions.

But when the time cam to chose his replacement, they were no where to be found.

Maybe there was some petition fraud?
Or they changed their minds?
Or Walkers fixes are working?

What do YOU think caused those 350,000 petitioners to stay home??

Just askin'............

My taxes went down as well!!:D

Because it was a primary? What percentage of Wisc voters show up for primaries? I'm sure there is some fraud there always is, MN just went through that the last two elections.

Gerry Clinchy
05-10-2012, 10:33 AM
I have some buddies
that work for MFD too. Milwaukee was the only career Fire Department that backed scotty in the state. Milwaukee Police backed scotty too.
It makes some sense when you think about it: if the city goes bankrupt, who will pay these public employees?

Where I live, all firefighters are volunteers. Our metro areas (cities of about 100,000 have paid firefighters. Our suburban/semi rural areas would burn to the ground every time if we had to wait for the paid firemen to reach us.

However, we see the same kind of thing with school taxes, which have skyrocketed. The theory has, thus far, been just to raise taxes. However, when taxes reach a certain point, it depresses housing values & also causes older/retired people to move out since they can no longer afford the property taxes.

Housing values get depressed since they are a component of your monthly mortgage payment (even if you pay them apart from your mortgage). If a buyer can afford $X/month, if a large portion of $X is property taxes, they need to pay less in princ & interest to keep the monthly payment at $X.

So, now the older portion of the population gets less for their property than a location with lower taxes.

In the end pension and retiree benefits can be another "unanticipated consequence" over the longer haul. When Bethlehem Steel went under, retiree benefits were cut. Suddenly, those retirees felt a pinch they hadn't expected. Those elderly can then end up having to draw upon public sector largesse. It seems that is also the direction that we're moving toward with unions, like teachers, firefighters, police.

A few years back, one of our local city's police pension changed it's "basis" to the most recent year prior to retirement. At first that makes sense, since as a retiree. their cost of living will be more like the employee's last year than 10 or 20 years prior. However, the police nearing retirement, were not dumb. They took a lot of overtime in their last year, (special events coverage) so that their pension ended up being considerably MORE than their true annual wages ever were. We're talking figures like $80K to $100k/year. When that happened, all of a sudden the city officials who negotiated that realized what they had done ... and they were stuck with it.

Same city is having a similar situation with its firefighters now. Workers string together vacation and sick days (which are substantial), causing the department to be "short" its required # of on-duty personnel. Then those who are not absent have to be paid overtime to compensate for the manpower shortage; which causes many millions additional labor cost each year.

I doubt anyone begrudges police of firemen a wage that is commensurate with the dangerous service they render, but I'm not sure that bankrupting their city is to be considered valid.

road kill
05-10-2012, 10:51 AM
Because it was a primary? What percentage of Wisc voters show up for primaries? I'm sure there is some fraud there always is, MN just went through that the last two elections.
So, it doesn't matter who your recall candidate is, just anybody but Walker?

How come over 600,000 Republicans voted for Walker and he had no real opposition?
In fact, Walker had more votes than Barrett and Falk combined?

Do the leftys realize that the fraudulent names on the petition won't vote?
Especially if voter ID is law?

LokiMeister
05-10-2012, 11:01 AM
So, it doesn't matter who your recall candidate is, just anybody but Walker?

Of course. They don't care about Barrett's politics, or Falk's or Vinehout or Tom, Dick or Harry. They just want Walker out. It's like the "vote the incumbent out" mentality. "They had their chance." But they did have their chance...it was called Doyle.

mngundog
05-10-2012, 11:09 AM
So, it doesn't matter who your recall candidate is, just anybody but Walker?

How come over 600,000 Republicans voted for Walker and he had no real opposition?
In fact, Walker had more votes than Barrett and Falk combined?

Do the leftys realize that the fraudulent names on the petition won't vote?
Especially if voter ID is law?
Have no idea where you are coming from in most of this post. You asked why 1 million people signed a petition yet only about 600K showed up to vote for the primary (Dem), IMO its because its a primary, that simple. I would imagine that in the last twenty years I have voted about 70% Republican, lefty? I don't pay a lot of attention to primaries just to who the parties send to the dance and make my decision based on that. I'm about as open minded as they get come election time however most to the time my views are pretty conservative, I just get a kick out of both parties talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Uncle Bill
05-10-2012, 12:05 PM
Have no idea where you are coming from in most of this post. You asked why 1 million people signed a petition yet only about 600K showed up to vote for the primary (Dem), IMO its because its a primary, that simple. I would imagine that in the last twenty years I have voted about 70% Republican, lefty? I don't pay a lot of attention to primaries just to who the parties send to the dance and make my decision based on that. I'm about as open minded as they get come election time however most to the time my views are pretty conservative, I just get a kick out of both parties talking out of both sides of their mouth.


I hear that from many Minnesooootans. Basically they have no PRINCIPLED views...just worried only about their ox and how it's being gored. Most are only Democrats/socialists because their parents were, and they have so little knowledge of party politics, it's all a popularity contest for them, and very little to do with the issues.

If you are, as you say, "pretty conservative", you wouldn't touch Obama and his oligarchy with a 10' pole. But if you are a unionista, you have no concern for the demise of your nation, just your own private circumstances.

Like the people of Greece, you want as many bennies as you can muster, and will continue to demand something for nothing regardless if those that do the handouts have anything left to hand out or not.

Folks like your fellow Minnesotan, Zeus...(how ironic to be taking the name of Greek mythologies chief deity) aren't happy with anything going on in Washington, but they won't lift a finger to fix any of it...just wail on the sidelines about how their ox is being gored and nobody seems to care.

If it weren't so painful for the rest of America, I'd be in favor of putting Obama back in office for another term, so you lefties could get what you deserve. It might be the only way the left in this nation would open their eyes, as they too fall into the abyss.

UB

mngundog
05-10-2012, 12:23 PM
I hear that from many Minnesooootans. Basically they have no PRINCIPLED views...just worried only about their ox and how it's being gored. Most are only Democrats/socialists because their parents were, and they have so little knowledge of party politics, it's all a popularity contest for them, and very little to do with the issues.


UB

Again interesting take, Minnesota has both the House and Senate controlled by the Right, the Governors race was won by a handful of votes, do you follow politics at all? I see karma finally caught up to Janklow.

TY 4
05-10-2012, 06:35 PM
Lane, my property taxes went down, in fact, enough to almost pay my home owners. How did your businesses go up? I don't think we can blame Walker for gas prices or shipping costs so what part went up?

Nancy, how did my taxes go up? I don't know. Maybe they found out I was in the Union lol. Seriously, my property taxes went up hundreds of dollars, my wifes business taxes went up, and my mother in laws property taxes went up too.

zeus3925
05-10-2012, 06:57 PM
I hear that from many Minnesooootans. Basically they have no PRINCIPLED views...just worried only about their ox and how it's being gored. Most are only Democrats/socialists because their parents were, and they have so little knowledge of party politics, it's all a popularity contest for them, and very little to do with the issues.

If you are, as you say, "pretty conservative", you wouldn't touch Obama and his oligarchy with a 10' pole. But if you are a unionista, you have no concern for the demise of your nation, just your own private circumstances.

Like the people of Greece, you want as many bennies as you can muster, and will continue to demand something for nothing regardless if those that do the handouts have anything left to hand out or not.

Folks like your fellow Minnesotan, Zeus...(how ironic to be taking the name of Greek mythologies chief deity) aren't happy with anything going on in Washington, but they won't lift a finger to fix any of it...just wail on the sidelines about how their ox is being gored and nobody seems to care.

If it weren't so painful for the rest of America, I'd be in favor of putting Obama back in office for another term, so you lefties could get what you deserve. It might be the only way the left in this nation would open their eyes, as they too fall into the abyss.

UB
Zeus was the name of a very special black lab who was a hell of a lot smarter then most people from the Black Hills who post here. Speak with reverence when you mention his hallowed name, thank you! By the way, Bill, how many pigs have you buried lately?

TY 4
05-10-2012, 10:28 PM
It makes some sense when you think about it: if the city goes bankrupt, who will pay these public employees?

Where I live, all firefighters are volunteers. Our metro areas (cities of about 100,000 have paid firefighters. Our suburban/semi rural areas would burn to the ground every time if we had to wait for the paid firemen to reach us.

However, we see the same kind of thing with school taxes, which have skyrocketed. The theory has, thus far, been just to raise taxes. However, when taxes reach a certain point, it depresses housing values & also causes older/retired people to move out since they can no longer afford the property taxes.

Housing values get depressed since they are a component of your monthly mortgage payment (even if you pay them apart from your mortgage). If a buyer can afford $X/month, if a large portion of $X is property taxes, they need to pay less in princ & interest to keep the monthly payment at $X.

So, now the older portion of the population gets less for their property than a location with lower taxes.

In the end pension and retiree benefits can be another "unanticipated consequence" over the longer haul. When Bethlehem Steel went under, retiree benefits were cut. Suddenly, those retirees felt a pinch they hadn't expected. Those elderly can then end up having to draw upon public sector largesse. It seems that is also the direction that we're moving toward with unions, like teachers, firefighters, police.

A few years back, one of our local city's police pension changed it's "basis" to the most recent year prior to retirement. At first that makes sense, since as a retiree. their cost of living will be more like the employee's last year than 10 or 20 years prior. However, the police nearing retirement, were not dumb. They took a lot of overtime in their last year, (special events coverage) so that their pension ended up being considerably MORE than their true annual wages ever were. We're talking figures like $80K to $100k/year. When that happened, all of a sudden the city officials who negotiated that realized what they had done ... and they were stuck with it.

Same city is having a similar situation with its firefighters now. Workers string together vacation and sick days (which are substantial), causing the department to be "short" its required # of on-duty personnel. Then those who are not absent have to be paid overtime to compensate for the manpower shortage; which causes many millions additional labor cost each year.

I doubt anyone begrudges police of firemen a wage that is commensurate with the dangerous service they render, but I'm not sure that bankrupting their city is to be considered valid.

The ONLY reason Milwaukee Fire/Police backed Walker because he was going to try to get their City residency lifted. The two departments dislike Barrett for a few reasons: he tried making them pay the same concession as the other Milwaukee City unions and teachers. He was totally against them lifting the residency. He threatened layoffs in both the Fire/Police. And he temporary closed fire stations (brown outs). Again thatís why Milwaukee Fire was the ONLY career fire department in the WHOLE state to back scotty.
Thereís something to be said to have paid services (Fire/Police) in your area where you live. We donít just fight fires; we are trained as Paramedics, hazardous material specialists, confined space, dive rescue, high angle/below grade rescue.
You stated ď Our suburban/semi rural areas would burn to the ground every time if we had to wait for the paid firemen to reach us.Ē I live in the rural area covered by volunteer firefighters. It doesnít matter if their paid or volunteer that the price we pay for living in the country.

dixidawg
05-21-2012, 08:52 PM
Democrats are dreading a Wisconsin wipeout
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/democrats-are-dreading-a-wisconsin-wipeout/2012/05/21/gIQAABoyfU_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/democrats-are-dreading-a-wisconsin-wipeout/2012/05/21/gIQAABoyfU_blog.html)

road kill
05-22-2012, 09:17 AM
Yes, it is not working out well for the progressives.

"The whole world is watching!!"

This is a referendum on many things and will affect politics going forward.
Sometimes one should be selective on the fights one picks.

The Democrats are going door to door to find votes for Barrett.
That is for those who are to busy to go vote on election day.
Voting centers are open in Milwaukee thru the weekend, even open on Memorial day.

Yet, who are the people the canvassers are finding at home during the day that can't make it to the polls on election day?

Pathetic!!

Buzz
05-22-2012, 09:37 AM
The ONLY reason Milwaukee Fire/Police backed Walker because he was going to try to get their City residency lifted. The two departments dislike Barrett for a few reasons: he tried making them pay the same concession as the other Milwaukee City unions and teachers. He was totally against them lifting the residency. He threatened layoffs in both the Fire/Police. And he temporary closed fire stations (brown outs). Again thatís why Milwaukee Fire was the ONLY career fire department in the WHOLE state to back scotty.
Thereís something to be said to have paid services (Fire/Police) in your area where you live. We donít just fight fires; we are trained as Paramedics, hazardous material specialists, confined space, dive rescue, high angle/below grade rescue.
You stated ď Our suburban/semi rural areas would burn to the ground every time if we had to wait for the paid firemen to reach us.Ē I live in the rural area covered by volunteer firefighters. It doesnít matter if their paid or volunteer that the price we pay for living in the country.

My dad was a Detroit Firefighter. When we moved to the country he tried to join the volunteer squad. They felt threatened by him and pushed him away. He says they are pathetic and I think he is right, if your house catches fire all you'll have left is a basement. Best they can do is protect neighboring properties.

mngundog
05-22-2012, 03:16 PM
There’s something to be said to have paid services (Fire/Police) in your area where you live. We don’t just fight fires; we are trained as Paramedics, hazardous material specialists, confined space, dive rescue, high angle/below grade rescue.
You stated “ Our suburban/semi rural areas would burn to the ground every time if we had to wait for the paid firemen to reach us.” I live in the rural area covered by volunteer firefighters. It doesn’t matter if their paid or volunteer that the price we pay for living in the country.
We have a strictly volunteer department here, we are trained in hazardous materials, confined spaces, water rescue, high angle/below grade rescue etc., this month we have had about 10 hours of training, (Propane training and 2 burns) plus fire calls for that we will recieve a nice check for $0, but your right if you are 15 minutes out there is little any department can do in some situtations, and yes some people will say volunteer departments are pathetic it goes with the territory.

Gerry Clinchy
05-22-2012, 06:27 PM
My dad was a Detroit Firefighter. When we moved to the country he tried to join the volunteer squad. They felt threatened by him and pushed him away. He says they are pathetic and I think he is right, if your house catches fire all you'll have left is a basement. Best they can do is protect neighboring properties.
It's certainly possible that your dad ran into a volunteer squad like that, but as mngundog says, many of the volunteers are well trained, and I'm sure many of them would have welcomed the additional input of a professional to improve their skills.

If the volunteer fire companies don't have paramedics, the local volunteer ambulance squads will often respond with them.

Both these volunteer groups also provide good educational opportunities, like first aid classes and safety classes for the residents as well.

They provide a valuable service to our suburban, semi-rural and rural areas.

ARay11
05-23-2012, 12:28 PM
The more I hear about this Walker guy, the more I don't mind if he does get recalled.

That way he'd be freed up to run for VP :cool: