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Jason Glavich
05-14-2012, 03:24 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/14/ron-paul-ends-his-hunt-votes/

M&K's Retrievers
05-14-2012, 03:27 PM
Stick a fork in him, maybe....

huntinman
05-14-2012, 03:29 PM
He was never really in it... Just a fly in the ointment.

Franco
05-14-2012, 03:56 PM
RP has NOT dropped out.

He is not actively campaigning in the states that have yet to host their GOP primary.

He is instead focusing his resources on obtaining delegates!

Rmoney is winning the beauty contest which is part of the nomination process. The other part is the delegate selection process. That is where RP is doing well.

After the first vote at the Convention, those deleagtes are free to support the candidate of thier choice. Once the delegates are unbounded, they are free to vote for the candidate of thier choice. That was the problem this weekend in Arizona. The state GOP wanted all delegaes to be for Rmoney and with over 96,000 in the state voting for RP,the RP folks want representation when it gets to a second ballot!

Remember, RP dosn't have the access to cash like Rmoney. RP has no Super PAC made up of Wall St and Defense Contractors. RP's money comes from moms and pops, individuals! He is still #1 with enlisted personel in donations.

road kill
05-14-2012, 04:02 PM
Ron Paul Ends His Hunt for Votes
By Stephen Dinan
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The Washington Times
Monday, May 14, 2012




DEVELOPING:

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination.

Mr. Paul said he will continue to work to win delegates in states that have already voted and where the process of delegate-selection is playing out. He said that’s a way to make his voice heard at the Republican nominating convention in Tampa, Fla., in August.

“Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted,” Mr. Paul said. “Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have.”

He did encourage his supporters to still turn out and vote.

His decision not to compete for new votes in other states leaves Mr. Romney as the only candidate still actively fighting for voters’ support in the 11 states still to vote. That list includes the biggest prizes on the board — Texas and California.

Mr. Paul was making his third run for president, after an earlier bid as the Libertarian Party’s nominee in 1988 and then a campaign for the Republican nomination in 2008.

He ends his active bid without having won the vote in any state, though he did end up with the most bound delegates in Maine, thanks to his delegate-maximizing strategy.

Throughout the campaign Mr. Paul has said his lower vote totals would be countered by his supporters’ enthusiasm, particularly in states that hold caucuses.

In many of those states, the initial caucuses hold a non-binding straw poll and the real delegate selection process to the Tampa convention happens at regional and state meetings. Mr. Paul’s supporters have been more likely to show up at those meetings and win the delegate slots.




Looks like he doesn't know what Franco knows.....

Franco
05-14-2012, 04:10 PM
RK, you can't be that slow.

Delegates are won via the vote and via delegate selection. It has been that way for some time.

Maybe you need to brush up on your reading skills.

Try reading the last paragragh of the article that you posted.

huntinman
05-14-2012, 04:32 PM
Looks like he doesn't know what Franco knows.....

Looks like he doesn't CARE what the voters know:rolleyes:

road kill
05-14-2012, 04:53 PM
RK, you can't be that slow.

Delegates are won via the vote and via delegate selection. It has been that way for some time.

Maybe you need to brush up on your reading skills.

Try reading the last paragragh of the article that you posted.

OK Uncle Cy, I guess Dr Paul is gonna outsmart 'em all.........:rolleyes:

BonMallari
05-14-2012, 05:22 PM
what will be interesting to see is if RP supports the Party nominee or if he walks away in disgust and the fallout on his son Rand's future political aspirations...

Will also be interesting to see WHO if any (Gingrich, Paul, or Santorum ) get a prime time speech at the R convention, or are consulted about the party platform...if the Romney camp is smart and can get everyone on the same wagon they can run the table

Franco
05-14-2012, 06:59 PM
From this afternoon's Forbes on line...

These are just a few who became larger than presidents because they represented a principle, a powerful means of communicating who they were without all the hoopla, and a generation that was looking for someone who was fresh and decent.
It doesn’t matter whether I agree with Ron Paul on anything at all, or everything. He has created a movement that is not going away. Confidence in government and politics is very low. Americans want a government that does good things and solves problems. When they don’t get that, more and more will take solace in the reality that there is a tough-talking, straight-shooting, honest-to-the-core, always consistent little guy from Texas who has broadened the debate.
As I have written on these pages, Paul has captured the imagination of young people who are just looking for straight answers, even if they might not always agree with them.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2012/05/14/ron-paul-quits-primary-fight-but-still-emerges-a-winner/

Still racking up the delegates;-)

Cody Covey
05-14-2012, 07:14 PM
So do you think it is okay that instead of actually going with who the people are voting for the delegates are deciding to go with RP? He can't win any state but you think it is he who is going to win the presidency and not Romney who is ahead of Obama in the recent polls?

Franco
05-14-2012, 08:00 PM
We can't afford to let polls dictate any policy. I understand the message and at this point, I don't feel like compromising for more of basically the same. Tell me that Romney is being who he really is or that what he stands for isn't poll driven!

RP's impact on the GOP is the party's only hope of a future. He even has Obama talking about Liberty and smaller government and has for this election cycle provided all of the hopefuls with talking points. When have the American people, in the last 100 years, heard a politician talk about a much smaller Fed Gov; sound monetary policy, realistic Foreign Policy, audit of the Fed Reserve, and against the move to nanny state socialism?

RP has lost the beauty contest but, he hasn't lost his support or convictions! The results from Texas and Cal will be interesting and what he can add to his under-estimated delegate count. Funny thing about the delegate count, there are no reliable/accurate totals, only estimates/guess-tamates.

CC in regrads to those that voted; the delegate selection process is decided by the RNC and tweeked by the states. When looking at the total vote in the GOP Primaries, the percentage is tiny! The entire picture changes with a larger base/more voters and when Independents and Dems can join the process. Liberty rings home because people of all political thought feel the infringements.

Just follow the money(PACs/Super PAC's) and that will identify the man/men that can be influenced by cash;-)

huntinman
05-14-2012, 11:45 PM
Franco, pull your head out. You have kept your mouth shut about Ron Paul as he has had his hat handed to him in every state for the last several months. Now some idiot writer comes along and writes something you want to hear and all of a sudden you are full of hot air just like the campaign just started!!

Ron Paul is yesterdays news... As soon as he folds up his tent and goes home, so will his merry band of pot smoking followers. He got 10-15 % of the vote in most of the primaries and I would venture to say that most of them were either Libertarians wanting legal drugs or Dems just trying to stir the pot (pun intended) in the Republican primary.

JDogger
05-14-2012, 11:58 PM
Franco, pull your head out. You have kept your mouth shut about Ron Paul as he has had his hat handed to him in every state for the last several months. Now some idiot writer comes along and writes something you want to hear and all of a sudden you are full of hot air just like the campaign just started!!

Ron Paul is yesterdays news... As soon as he folds up his tent and goes home, so will his merry band of pot smoking followers. He got 10-15 % of the vote in most of the primaries and I would venture to say that most of them were either Libertarians wanting legal drugs or Dems just trying to stir the pot (pun intended) in the Republican primary.

Why are you angry, Bill? JDogger

huntinman
05-15-2012, 09:12 AM
Not angry Jdogger. I will tell you that that in my opinion, this election is way too important to be clowning around with Ron Paul after nearly every state has given him a big collective yawn. Millions of dollars spent and for what? Time to get on with the issues at hand.

We get enough distractions from Obama. We don't need more from those supposedly on "our side" of the aisle.

M&K's Retrievers
05-15-2012, 09:19 AM
Not angry Jdogger. I will tell you that that in my opinion, this election is way too important to be clowning around with Ron Paul after nearly every state has given him a big collective yawn. Millions of dollars spent and for what? Time to get on with the issues at hand.

We get enough distractions from Obama. We don't need more from those supposedly on "our side" of the aisle.

Got to agree.

road kill
05-15-2012, 09:23 AM
Not angry Jdogger. I will tell you that that in my opinion, this election is way too important to be clowning around with Ron Paul after nearly every state has given him a big collective yawn. Millions of dollars spent and for what? Time to get on with the issues at hand.

We get enough distractions from Obama. We don't need more from those supposedly on "our side" of the aisle.




Got to agree.

DITTO!!!!!!:cool:

Cowtown
05-15-2012, 09:44 AM
RP is done.

Going after delegates as a strategy to win the nomination when you can't win a single popular vote is delusional at best.

The music is about to stop and RP doesn't have a chair...

menmon
05-15-2012, 11:21 AM
Franco...how the country is run is not important to the right....it is who is running it that is important. Surely you see that.

If it would get a republican in the Whitehouse, they would have everyone standing in soup lines so they could say their guy is better.

The good news is that their guy will not win and what we have to look forward to is him fading off into the sunset.

The democrat Carzine (former GS CEO) is a perfect example of Romney. These guys made a lot of money running financial institutions and they think they know best. Managing the country and its complexity is not a one man job...It takes good intel and knowledge of how every decision ripples through the system. Kind of like building a house and the contractor deviates from the drawings with no regard of the impact of the rest of the house.

This belief of taking care of the money folks is the best for everyone is flawed.

I like Ron Paul. I don't agree with him on the Central Bank, but I pretty much like everything else he stands for. The Central Bank thing is just to big, so that is why I have not supported him.

Franco...tune out the rhetoric and measure Obama on what he has been able to do in as bad of times as anyone can remember with no help whatsoever and you will get comfortable voting for him.

road kill
05-15-2012, 11:27 AM
Franco...how the country is run is not important to the right....it is who is running it that is important. Surely you see that.

If it would get a republican in the Whitehouse, they would have everyone standing in soup lines so they could say their guy is better.

The good news is that their guy will not win and what we have to look forward to is him fading off into the sunset.

The democrat Carzine (former GS CEO) is a perfect example of Romney. These guys made a lot of money running financial institutions and they think they know best. Managing the country and its complexity is not a one man job...It takes good intel and knowledge of how every decision ripples through the system. Kind of like building a house and the contractor deviates from the drawings with no regard of the impact of the rest of the house.

This belief of taking care of the money folks is the best for everyone is flawed.

I like Ron Paul. I don't agree with him on the Central Bank, but I pretty much like everything else he stands for. The Central Bank thing is just to big, so that is why I have not supported him.

Franco...tune out the rhetoric and measure Obama on what he has been able to do in as bad of times as anyone can remember with no help whatsoever and you will get comfortable voting for him.

Now, that right there, that is FUNNY, I don't care who you are!!!:D

menmon
05-15-2012, 11:30 AM
Now, that right there, that is FUNNY, I don't care who you are!!!:D

Stan...lets see who is laughing in November:D!!!! You know I'm right...admit it;-)

road kill
05-15-2012, 11:38 AM
Stan...lets see who is laughing in November:D!!!! You know I'm right...admit it;-)

You will be, becuase I am convinced you are just putting us on.
Can't possibly be what you really believe!!;-)

BonMallari
05-15-2012, 11:43 AM
Stan...lets see who is laughing in November:D!!!! You know I'm right...admit it;-)

this election is no laughing matter, its about the future of our nation and the quality of life as we know/knew it....

Uncle Bill
05-15-2012, 11:45 AM
Franco...how the country is run is not important to the right....it is who is running it that is important. Surely you see that.

If it would get a republican in the Whitehouse, they would have everyone standing in soup lines so they could say their guy is better.

The good news is that their guy will not win and what we have to look forward to is him fading off into the sunset.

The democrat Carzine (former GS CEO) is a perfect example of Romney. These guys made a lot of money running financial institutions and they think they know best. Managing the country and its complexity is not a one man job...It takes good intel and knowledge of how every decision ripples through the system. Kind of like building a house and the contractor deviates from the drawings with no regard of the impact of the rest of the house.

This belief of taking care of the money folks is the best for everyone is flawed.

I like Ron Paul. I don't agree with him on the Central Bank, but I pretty much like everything else he stands for. The Central Bank thing is just to big, so that is why I have not supported him.

Franco...tune out the rhetoric and measure Obama on what he has been able to do in as bad of times as anyone can remember with no help whatsoever and you will get comfortable voting for him.

I quote this crap, only so it doesn't get deleted after the real truth is known. Realizing, of course, the truth where it concerns Obama is anathema to Sambo and the other fools that gave us this Obama Regime.

That last paragraph is a real hoot. Thank God there are sane souls that will save your freedoms, even though you are willing to give them up.

You, in your ignorance, will never admit you were just the slight bit wrong, but, if you have any, your siblings might.

But I wouldn't expect you to think any other way...since your aren't part of the solution for what ails this nation, you will continue to be part of the problem.

UB

Franco
05-15-2012, 11:48 AM
Franco...how the country is run is not important to the right....it is who is running it that is important. Surely you see that.

If it would get a republican in the Whitehouse, they would have everyone standing in soup lines so they could say their guy is better.

The good news is that their guy will not win and what we have to look forward to is him fading off into the sunset.

The democrat Carzine (former GS CEO) is a perfect example of Romney. These guys made a lot of money running financial institutions and they think they know best. Managing the country and its complexity is not a one man job...It takes good intel and knowledge of how every decision ripples through the system. Kind of like building a house and the contractor deviates from the drawings with no regard of the impact of the rest of the house.

This belief of taking care of the money folks is the best for everyone is flawed.

I like Ron Paul. I don't agree with him on the Central Bank, but I pretty much like everything else he stands for. The Central Bank thing is just to big, so that is why I have not supported him.

Franco...tune out the rhetoric and measure Obama on what he has been able to do in as bad of times as anyone can remember with no help whatsoever and you will get comfortable voting for him.

Rmoney looks Presidential but, that is as far as it goes. It is obvious that he is trying to buy the White House and he might succeed because of the PAC money he is attracting added to his own personal money he is spending.

It doesn't matter that he is spineless on issues, waiting for the consultants to tell him where to stand on issues. That doesn't matter to the folks that will support him because it is about anybody other than Obama. Even if Rmoney is not qualified.

BonMallari
05-15-2012, 12:25 PM
Rmoney looks Presidential but, that is as far as it goes. It is obvious that he is trying to buy the White House and he might succeed because of the PAC money he is attracting added to his own personal money he is spending.

It doesn't matter that he is spineless on issues, waiting for the consultants to tell him where to stand on issues. That doesn't matter to the folks that will support him because it is about anybody other than Obama. Even if Rmoney is not qualified.

First what makes him NOT QUALIFIED :confused:, not qualified in your view ?

as for the use of personal money you are wrong, but it plays well to the RP crowd to play fast and loose with the facts


Romney, who has now won back-to-back victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, has raised more campaign cash than his GOP rivals but is well behind President Obama in the money race. His fourth-quarter haul means he’s raised over $56 million. The multi-millionaire also has not contributed personal funds or loaned his campaign money, something he did in his 2008 race.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mitt-romney-raises-24000000-in-final-quarter-of-2011/

charly_t
05-15-2012, 12:46 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that people have gotten so they support either the republicans or the democrats just because it's "their team" and their team has to win, blah, blah. I'd like to see people use some reasoning about the candidates not which party they belong to. Of course I would also like for the elected elite to be able to reason things out and vote accordingly not always along party lines.

menmon
05-15-2012, 02:19 PM
this election is no laughing matter, its about the future of our nation and the quality of life as we know/knew it....

Then I don't understand! Why would you keep voting for these guys that keep hurting the nation?

huntinman
05-15-2012, 02:37 PM
Then I don't understand! Why would you keep voting for these guys that keep hurting the nation?

You should look in the mirror while asking that question if you voted for the current occupant of the WH. Makes Jimmah Carter look like a genius...

menmon
05-15-2012, 02:47 PM
You should look in the mirror while asking that question if you voted for the current occupant of the WH. Makes Jimmah Carter look like a genius...

We have had a few republicans since then...all of which left us in recession:rolleyes:

I measure my presidents based on my prosperity...how do you measure them?

BonMallari
05-15-2012, 03:37 PM
We have had a few republicans since then...all of which left us in recession:rolleyes:

I measure my presidents based on my prosperity...how do you measure them?



speaks volumes about you.....IMO the President is the caretaker of the nation,my prosperity is based on my own actions, I don't blame anyone and dont expect anyone to cover for my choices...

but the President is responsible for the Nation, the Republic and as the oath goes to uphold the Constitution..the current POTUS has not done his job, you may be prospering in spite of what he does and at the misfortune of others...

menmon
05-15-2012, 04:19 PM
speaks volumes about you.....IMO the President is the caretaker of the nation,my prosperity is based on my own actions, I don't blame anyone and dont expect anyone to cover for my choices...

but the President is responsible for the Nation, the Republic and as the oath goes to uphold the Constitution..the current POTUS has not done his job, you may be prospering in spite of what he does and at the misfortune of others...

So financial collaspe and two long costly wars is a sucessful presidency?

road kill
05-15-2012, 04:39 PM
So financial collaspe and two long costly wars is a sucessful presidency?

The financial collapse has increased exponentially, and I notice we are still in Iraq and Afgahnistan.

Anyone know if GITMO closed yet??

Wrong ttree sambo............

Daniel J Simoens
05-15-2012, 04:41 PM
So financial collaspe and two long costly wars is a sucessful presidency?

it's funny when libs can't defend their position and fall back on trying to blame Bush.

menmon
05-15-2012, 04:47 PM
The financial collapse has increased exponentially, and I notice we are still in Iraq and Afgahnistan.

Anyone know if GITMO closed yet??

Wrong ttree sambo............

GITMO has not closed is your only true statement. You keep harping on this and republicans are who derailed it.

The rest is false....what are you turning into a spin doctor?

menmon
05-15-2012, 04:48 PM
it's funny when libs can't defend their position and fall back on trying to blame Bush.

It concerning that you want to go back to that....you blame Obama for Bush's mistakes...don't see the difference except you want to blame someone else

M&K's Retrievers
05-15-2012, 09:02 PM
Sambo and a Christmas Turkey seem to be on a par.

Cody Covey
05-16-2012, 12:04 AM
GITMO has not closed is your only true statement. You keep harping on this and republicans are who derailed it.

The rest is false....what are you turning into a spin doctor?

We don't have active troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The only things Republicans "derailed" were the civilian trials for war criminals that were captured in battle. To hold civilian trials for war criminals on US soil is ridiculous.