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Gerry Clinchy
06-16-2012, 08:10 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1691748078001/

NJ is considering not allowing welfare funds/food stamp funds to be used for cigarettes, alcohol, casino trips, etc. Evidently, there is a bill before Congress that would attach such regulation to receiving Fed funds for these programs. One of the panel members mentioned that this is already in place in California & Washington State (maybe also NY? it wasn't clear).

With the use of "credit cards" for payments v. "paper" this should be very easy to implement. For example, such cards could be programmed to automatically be rejected at casinos and strip clubs. Grocery store registers are programmed each week to compute the sale prices by SKU #s. It should be easy for this programming to adapt to rejecting SKUs of welfare-prohibited items ... like cigarettes, alcohol, or even Mayor Bloomberg's favorite, sugar drinks.

And, guess what? This restriction was put in there by Obama!

Since this kind of abuse of public funds is a bi-partisan issue, one panel member suggests that no member of Congress should be dumb enough to vote against such a bill. (He may overestimate their intelligence?)

The figure used for fraud/abuse in the program is 3.7%. However that # is based on the ones that have been caught. It is likely that the true figures are at least somewhat higher.

If the argument is made that the problem is a small one, then it is hard to argue that stopping it is a big deal! Right? The only people who will "hurt" if you stop this abuse are the actual abusers. Those who need & use such funds for the intended purpose are not impacted at all. If we are willing to tax tobacco and sugar to discourage use among the general population, why are we willing to subsidize the same "evils" with taxpayer funds?

Even eliminating a million here and a million there of abuse means that more funds are then available for those who truly need assistance. So, if the whole point is helping those in need, why wouldn't we want to stop abuse/fraud?

Dictating how spending one's money is not a function of govt ... but if the money is not actually the fruit of these persons' labor (i.e. it is taxpayer money), then there is a basis for dictating how it is spent. All govt grants have designated purposes. This one should be no different?

I think it again highlights that when so much money is available through the complex systems in place by govt (at all levels), there is a lot of potential for fraud/abuse. We are seeing that daily ... with GSA, with the Des Moines school district, with Medicare fraud. When we are used to talking in terms of billions of dollars, we come to think of a million dollars chump change. It becomes easy to forget how millions eventually add up to billions.

Ken Bora
06-16-2012, 08:24 AM
a great idea
a step further
I heard / read about a future type of credit card that inplanted under the skin. Like we all micro chip our dogs. Designed for the girls who go clubbing in skimpy dresses. Make the welfair card as you said, and implant it so "THEY" CANNOT TRADE IT WITH THE DRUG DEALER!!!!!!! Getting the prime rib with the card while I am buying burger is only a part of the issue. The getting the card and getting rid of it the same day needs to be looked at. 'cause if the drug dealer only bought free range organic rice the system would think "oh what a great parent"

gmhr1
06-16-2012, 08:56 AM
If your on welfare I think there should be an agreement that you don't have any more kids

HPL
06-16-2012, 09:28 AM
If your on welfare I think there should be an agreement that you don't have any more kids

Well, of course, but how would you enforce that. You will certainly run up against the folks who say that the "right" to have children is the most basic of all human rights (I absolutely do not agree) but to physically sterilize folks really does smack of Naziism and, much as I would like to be the arbiter, not sure that I would trust you to be, if you know what I mean.

luvmylabs23139
06-16-2012, 09:34 AM
Well, of course, but how would you enforce that. You will certainly run up against the folks who say that the "right" to have children is the most basic of all human rights (I absolutely do not agree) but to physically sterilize folks really does smack of Naziism and, much as I would like to be the arbiter, not sure that I would trust you to be, if you know what I mean.

Just say we, the taxpayers, will only pay for one. After that if you have another you are on your own, NO extra benefits. That way you cut off the gravy train. I bet they could find a condom if it affected their wallet rather than the taxpayers.
I know the libs would never go for that because they refuse to hold people accountable for their actions.

ARay11
06-16-2012, 09:48 AM
If the gov't can pay money directly to a landlord (subsidized rent) why can't they figure out a system where they pay the grocer and not the individual? I'm not saying its a perfect solution... just an idea.

gmhr1
06-16-2012, 10:26 AM
If they have any more their kids their benefits are cut off. There are to many women having kids just to get more money. 8 different daddys 8 different child support checks. They live in beautiful houses drive really nice cars talk all day on their cell phones and we pay for it all .

PMG 131
06-16-2012, 02:23 PM
The Gov't is so willing to give out other peoples money its rediculus. I am a perfect example, My wife and I have 2 kids with a 3rd on the way. The wife is on bed rest so she gets short term disabillity through her insurence. Now we have been recieving calls saying we need to come get out "food stamps". I appreciate the thought, but I make enough by myself that we shouldn't quallify for any assitance. However they don't want to hear that and keep trying to give it to us.

Uncle Bill
06-17-2012, 05:37 PM
The Gov't is so willing to give out other peoples money its rediculus. I am a perfect example, My wife and I have 2 kids with a 3rd on the way. The wife is on bed rest so she gets short term disabillity through her insurence. Now we have been recieving calls saying we need to come get out "food stamps". I appreciate the thought, but I make enough by myself that we shouldn't quallify for any assitance. However they don't want to hear that and keep trying to give it to us.

Wherabouts in Sodak do you live? Are either if you Native American? In Rapid City, with a large Indian population, we hear about welfare workers seeking out individuals that aren't on any food stamp program, getting almost harrassed, much like you, to get on board. All government programs are based on how much is used this year. If that gets reduced, then next year their 'budget' gets cut. Makes for self inflicted fraud that wastes more money than most people realize.


UB

luvmylabs23139
06-17-2012, 05:41 PM
I heard that the feds push states, under BUMFACE, to sign more people up for food stamps or see the state benefits cut. This is insane. They are pushinbg states to give away more of my hard earned money that they confiscated from me!