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coachmo
07-14-2012, 03:51 PM
The AFT and NEA bosses are pulling in close to $500,000 a year in salaries, expenses and stipends and the intellectual midgets on the left demonize and vilify successful conservatives. Additionally, 600 staff members are stealing, I mean making over $100,000 a year. Does anyone really believe they are looking out for the teachers and students? How can any of the union supports defend this? The hypocrisy never ends.

Gerry Clinchy
07-14-2012, 05:19 PM
Out of the goodness of their hearts, they agreed to a pay freeze in 2011 ... after receiving a 20% raise in 2010.

Down East Labs 217
07-14-2012, 06:31 PM
The AFT and NEA bosses are pulling in close to $500,000 a year in salaries, expenses and stipends and the intellectual midgets on the left demonize and vilify successful conservatives. Additionally, 600 staff members are stealing, I mean making over $100,000 a year. Does anyone really believe they are looking out for the teachers and students? How can any of the union supports defend this? The hypocrisy never ends.

What is AFT and NEA? It would help me understand what is being wrote.

Thank you

Richard

HPL
07-14-2012, 07:02 PM
AFT is the American Federation of Teachers, and the NEA is the National Education Association.

mngundog
07-14-2012, 11:02 PM
You want to post a link about the 600 members stealing.

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:15 PM
That's called sarcasm! You can look at numerous articles that give the salary structure for the union employees. However, this isn't new and not specific to teacher union employees. Many of the hard-working, fighting for the common man union employees make substantially more than the workers they pretend to represent.

mngundog
07-14-2012, 11:33 PM
The top exec at GM (the same GM the tax payers bailed out) received a about $9 million this year, not bad for running a company into the ground.

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:44 PM
Pretty weak argument! If GM workers are ok with money being taken out of their checks so their boss can have a huge bonus or salary then what does that say about them! Isn't GM a union auto maker? If so and I believe they are then you made my point about unions! Thanks.

mngundog
07-14-2012, 11:47 PM
Pretty weak argument! If GM workers are ok with money being taken out of their checks so their boss can have a huge bonus or salary then what does that say about them! Isn't GM a union auto maker? If so and I believe they are then you made my point about unions! Thanks.
Sorry missed your point, did the workers vote to give the execs at GM tens of millions in bonuses? If so post a link.

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:50 PM
They voted to be in a union!

TCFarmer
07-14-2012, 11:50 PM
To answer your question, yes. The 1% is about $388,000 and up.

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:51 PM
Mngundog, are you a union member? I work in a profession that the unions have helped practically destroy.

mngundog
07-14-2012, 11:52 PM
They voted to be in a union!

Thanks, I believe you just made my point.

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:54 PM
Tcfarmer, but liberals only refer the greedy, selfish conservatives when they refer to 1%ers. So what do you call rich liberals?

coachmo
07-14-2012, 11:55 PM
What is your point?

mngundog
07-15-2012, 12:07 AM
Mngundog, are you a union member? I work in a profession that the unions have helped practically destroy.


What is your point?

I am not a Union member, I have been a part of two Union votes, voted yes once and no once, if there was a vote a my current job I would vote no again. There are some very well run companies who treat their employees fairly and their are some very corrupt companies that strong arm their employees I've been a part of both. As far as the President of NEA making almost $400K, I would agree that is to much, but I would expect with legal teams, financial managers etc., that they would have many employees clearing $100K a year. Heck the 25 year old kid who shingled my house last month made $800 a day.

Pete
07-15-2012, 10:21 AM
They voted to be in a union![/COLOR]]
They are not given a whole lot of other choices . Have watched how unions operate. Here's 1 an example. Cross the picket line and before you punch in for the day,,,make an appointment at the local body shop

BonMallari
07-15-2012, 11:29 AM
let me tell you a quick story about how unions operate...one of my friends/co workers WAS our shop steward...he and his wife have been trying to have kids but to no avail, so they decided to become foster parents, with the eventual hope of adopting the kids now in their custody...

our union told David to attend a rally at a local casino they were picketing and be prepared to be arrested....WTH....David had enough sense to know that any arrest no matter how minor the violation would result in he and his wife losing their license to be foster/adoptive parents...

what organization do you know of would knowingly send their reps to a rally knowing full well that they would be arrested, what's next..stand in front of the police or the national guard and face physical harm or worse just to further one's political agenda...

mjh345
07-15-2012, 11:41 PM
let me tell you a quick story about how unions operate...one of my friends/co workers WAS our shop steward...he and his wife have been trying to have kids but to no avail, so they decided to become foster parents, with the eventual hope of adopting the kids now in their custody...

our union told David to attend a rally at a local casino they were picketing and be prepared to be arrested....WTH....David had enough sense to know that any arrest no matter how minor the violation would result in he and his wife losing their license to be foster/adoptive parents...

what organization do you know of would knowingly send their reps to a rally knowing full well that they would be arrested, what's next..stand in front of the police or the national guard and face physical harm or worse just to further one's political agenda...

Why should they be "prepared to be arrested" when we are supposed to have the right to assembly?

HPL
07-15-2012, 11:53 PM
Why should they be "prepared to be arrested" when we are supposed to have the right to assembly?

Perhaps they were going to be trespassing or participating in some other illegal activity (not exactly unheard of when it comes to the behavior of union activists).

BonMallari
07-16-2012, 03:08 AM
Why should they be "prepared to be arrested" when we are supposed to have the right to assembly?

you have the the right to assemble...but when the police tell you to disperse, and you don't thats when the handcuffs come out, and of course they love to see that on the nightly news, hoping that it gets some national attention....what is really sad is that the casino they were protesting, pays a very good wage,good benefits and was voted one of the top 100 companies to work for..the owners are the largest benefactors at UNLV having donated over half the sports facilities on campus, but were targeted because they are a non union house

road kill
07-16-2012, 08:17 AM
Why should they be "prepared to be arrested" when we are supposed to have the right to assembly?
I doubt DA UNION bosses thought they would be arrested for "assembling.":rolleyes:

More likely they anticipated getting arrested fro some preconcieved illegal activity?

Just sayin'.......

mjiorle
07-16-2012, 09:20 PM
I cant say unions are the best thing in the world, but I wish I had one now. I know there are a number of criticisms and down sides of them however........ Six years ago I moved to a right to work state and left a tenured teaching position. I was not worried because through seven years of teaching I had done well, with all positive reviews. After three years of teaching for the county, I took a job at a charter school. The principal that hired me left, after a year and a half. New (1st year) principal gets the job. Fast forward a year and a half, and after 13 years of successful teaching I am now looking for a job (unsuccessfully). I have applied for 45 jobs for which I am certified and qualified only 3 interviews and no offers. The school I was released from is re-hiring a few teachers that are not certified, while I hold three certifications in this state.

Sorry for the ramble, but the point is I have no recourse. I'm out of a job, about to lose everything, and no fair appeals process or representation.

Mike

Buzz
07-17-2012, 08:26 AM
I cant say unions are the best thing in the world, but I wish I had one now. I know there are a number of criticisms and down sides of them however........ Six years ago I moved to a right to work state and left a tenured teaching position. I was not worried because through seven years of teaching I had done well, with all positive reviews. After three years of teaching for the county, I took a job at a charter school. The principal that hired me left, after a year and a half. New (1st year) principal gets the job. Fast forward a year and a half, and after 13 years of successful teaching I am now looking for a job (unsuccessfully). I have applied for 45 jobs for which I am certified and qualified only 3 interviews and no offers. The school I was released from is re-hiring a few teachers that are not certified, while I hold three certifications in this state.

Sorry for the ramble, but the point is I have no recourse. I'm out of a job, about to lose everything, and no fair appeals process or representation.

Mike


We have been on a race to the bottom for some 30 years now. Now that the private sector has been beaten down, it's the public sector's turn. The big boys cry about class envy, but then they do everything possible to stoke class envy between public and private workers, union and non-union workers, etc. And we fall for it so we will get what we deserve...

zeus3925
07-17-2012, 08:07 PM
Why don't you guys find something real to belly ache about. So a union national prez makes 10 times the average pay of the average union member. You assume he gets that for sitting on his patoot. I bet none of you would touch the helm of any one of those organizations for that kind of salary. And if you did you would probably would botch the job at that.

I don't see anyone of you bellyachers have a damn thing to say about those CEOs that make 200-400 times the average laborer's salary in their firms. Then they fight like tigers against raising the minimum wage. Those dudes don't want to pay taxes. We have 73,000 pages of tax code proving the case with exemptions from this and exemptions from that. (France has a 1000 page tax code and Germany a 500 page tax code by comparison).

Some of you super righties are going to say these are hardworking entrepreneurs working hard to make a buck. I would have no quarrel where that is the case. But, we have allowed a bandit class to emerge using their MBAs as a license to steal-- all the time shipping your job to China, India and points east. They want to keep you down where you are, at the bottom. They see themselves as the new aristocracy and don't you forget it. Patriots? Hardly.

Leona Helmsley had it right!

coachmo
07-17-2012, 08:34 PM
Wow! It sounds like you have it all figured out. To use a word you libtards have coined, I feel I'm "entitled" to belly ache about it. Blah blah blah same old broken record! It's the evil, greedy right that is to blame. Give me a break!

coachmo
07-17-2012, 09:33 PM
Another thing mighty zeus, it's so convienent for people like you to dismiss valid points about left wing hypocrites while the whole time pointing your finger at others that do not share your political views. Your point of view also fails due to the fact that not all CEO's are conservatives but I feel pretty confident that almost all union bosses are liberals. So if rich, greedy, successful conservatives are out of touch with the common man then surely so are the idiots you seem to love.

zeus3925
07-17-2012, 10:10 PM
You guys sound like a broken record--all union officers are liberal. Sorry to inform you they are not by a long shot. There is a lot of hardhats proudly displaying the American flag on their sides. Nor all CEO's conservative.

But it is the conservatives here that laid the charges about unions and I am not hesitant to call it what it is --a bunch of bigoted bullroar. You want to raise an issue about a measly $400,000 of a teacher's union president when the CEO of a company like Ameriprise paid himself and his CFO $11,000,000 plus stock options and perks while his investors were losing money. Who is being hypocritical here?

coachmo
07-17-2012, 11:01 PM
I never said anything of the sort. It's guys like you that want to have it both ways when it comes to politics.

Buzz
07-17-2012, 11:22 PM
You guys sound like a broken record--all union officers are liberal. Sorry to inform you they are not by a long shot. There is a lot of hardhats proudly displaying the American flag on their sides. Nor all CEO's conservative.

But it is the conservatives here that laid the charges about unions and I am not hesitant to call it what it is --a bunch of bigoted bullroar. You want to raise an issue about a measly $400,000 of a teacher's union president when the CEO of a company like Ameriprise paid himself and his CFO $11,000,000 plus stock options and perks while his investors were losing money. Who is being hypocritical here?


What also cracks me up is these guys decrying the salary and benefits of teachers and other public workers, because after-all, that salary and those benefits are coming out of their hard earned pay in taxes! As if the gargantuan salaries that these CEO's are making doesn't come out of their ass too. Sure, protect the tax payer, but consumer be damned...

zeus3925
07-18-2012, 12:25 AM
I never said anything of the sort. It's guys like you that want to have it both ways when it comes to politics.

No, son. There is only one way I want my politics: It is that the Tea Party slime be driven back to the primordial swamp from which they came.

coachmo
07-18-2012, 09:39 AM
Hey sport, I'm not your son!!!

ARay11
07-18-2012, 09:52 AM
[QUOTE=zeus3925;989462]Why don't you guys find something real to belly ache about. So a union national prez makes 10 times the average pay of the average union member. You assume he gets that for sitting on his patoot. I bet none of you would touch the helm of any one of those organizations for that kind of salary. And if you did you would probably would botch the job at that.
I do not know anything about unions, and very little about high-paid CEO's. So, as a lay-person so to speak, I only have one question in mind....
If the CEO of FORD makes $XX Million dollars in bonuses each year, I sorta get that because I know his company produces a product and/or service that creates income/profit.
Exactly who pays the CEO of the education union you guys are talking about? How is the income/profit derived in order to pay that person?

Please don't misunderstand.... I am NOT being a smart***.... I am asking a real question. Thanks in advance for the insight. Amanda

I don't see anyone of you bellyachers have a damn thing to say about those CEOs that make 200-400 times the average laborer's salary in their firms. Then they fight like tigers against raising the minimum wage. Those dudes don't want to pay taxes. We have 73,000 pages of tax code proving the case with exemptions from this and exemptions from that. (France has a 1000 page tax code and Germany a 500 page tax code by comparison).

Some of you super righties are going to say these are hardworking entrepreneurs working hard to make a buck. I would have no quarrel where that is the case. But, we have allowed a bandit class to emerge using their MBAs as a license to steal-- all the time shipping your job to China, India and points east. They want to keep you down where you are, at the bottom. They see themselves as the new aristocracy and don't you forget it. Patriots? Hardly.

Leona Helmsley had it right

Buzz
07-18-2012, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE=zeus3925;989462]Why don't you guys find something real to belly ache about. So a union national prez makes 10 times the average pay of the average union member. You assume he gets that for sitting on his patoot. I bet none of you would touch the helm of any one of those organizations for that kind of salary. And if you did you would probably would botch the job at that.
I do not know anything about unions, and very little about high-paid CEO's. So, as a lay-person so to speak, I only have one question in mind....
If the CEO of FORD makes $XX Million dollars in bonuses each year, I sorta get that because I know his company produces a product and/or service that creates income/profit.
Exactly who pays the CEO of the education union you guys are talking about? How is the income/profit derived in order to pay that person?

Please don't misunderstand.... I am NOT being a smart***.... I am asking a real question. Thanks in advance for the insight. Amanda

I don't see anyone of you bellyachers have a damn thing to say about those CEOs that make 200-400 times the average laborer's salary in their firms. Then they fight like tigers against raising the minimum wage. Those dudes don't want to pay taxes. We have 73,000 pages of tax code proving the case with exemptions from this and exemptions from that. (France has a 1000 page tax code and Germany a 500 page tax code by comparison).

Some of you super righties are going to say these are hardworking entrepreneurs working hard to make a buck. I would have no quarrel where that is the case. But, we have allowed a bandit class to emerge using their MBAs as a license to steal-- all the time shipping your job to China, India and points east. They want to keep you down where you are, at the bottom. They see themselves as the new aristocracy and don't you forget it. Patriots? Hardly.

Leona Helmsley had it right


So, now it's OK if your company makes stuff. Providing a service doesn't count. Alrighty then... So much for the service based economy that all us smart Americans were supposed to transition to once all the manufacturing jobs for dummies went over seas.

ARay11
07-18-2012, 01:05 PM
[QUOTE=ARay11;989597]


So, now it's OK if your company makes stuff. Providing a service doesn't count. Alrighty then... So much for the service based economy that all us smart Americans were supposed to transition to once all the manufacturing jobs for dummies went over seas.

Remind me not to ask you any serious questions.

I DID NOT SAY SERVICES DONT COUNT. Maybe this will help you: All goods AND SERVICES are sold to a customer in order to produce a PROFIT. Those profits are then used to PAY EMPLOYEES. The top of the food chain employee gets paid very well. This makes sense to me.

My question is :
From where is the money derived to pay the individual you say some are belly-aching about?

Once again, I am asking a real question in order to learn a real answer and broaden my own knowledge. Thanks very little for the first answer.

coachmo
07-18-2012, 02:18 PM
ARay, good luck trying to get an answer, well at least one that stays on point out of this group of libs!

mngundog
07-18-2012, 04:40 PM
[QUOTE=Buzz;989623]

Remind me not to ask you any serious questions.

I DID NOT SAY SERVICES DONT COUNT. Maybe this will help you: All goods AND SERVICES are sold to a customer in order to produce a PROFIT. Those profits are then used to PAY EMPLOYEES. The top of the food chain employee gets paid very well. This makes sense to me.

My question is :
From where is the money derived to pay the individual you say some are belly-aching about?

Once again, I am asking a real question in order to learn a real answer and broaden my own knowledge. Thanks very little for the first answer.
Ray if it is a serious question then here goes. Union members pay union dues to have the services provided for them.

Buzz
07-18-2012, 04:53 PM
[QUOTE=ARay11;989655]
Ray if it is a serious question then here goes. Union members pay union dues to have the services provided for them.


It does seem obvious doesn't it?

I did some google and noticed that the conservative blogs and publications are really lit up with the term "union boss.

ARay11
07-18-2012, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE=ARay11;989655]
Ray if it is a serious question then here goes. Union members pay union dues to have the services provided for them.

Honestly, that's what I was thinking but it's not anything I know anything about.... only lived in TX and OK (both are right to work states and I dont hear of many if any unions)

Do they take in enough in union dues to justify this person's income? Must be a large union.

coachmo
07-18-2012, 05:28 PM
Wow! Buzz, I went to several liberal blogs and publications and all I found was lies, propaganda and tons of dumb downed information designed for the intellectually challenged liberals. That you prescribe to this ideology is what is glaringly obvious.

starjack
07-18-2012, 05:41 PM
The only smart people in Buzz eye are himself and libs

coachmo
07-18-2012, 05:43 PM
That's what so terribly sad.

mngundog
07-18-2012, 06:02 PM
[QUOTE=mngundog;989714]

Honestly, that's what I was thinking but it's not anything I know anything about.... only lived in TX and OK (both are right to work states and I dont hear of many if any unions)

Do they take in enough in union dues to justify this person's income? Must be a large union.
NEA has 3.2 million members, I guess it's a personnel opinion whether or not anyone should make that kind of money. The average wage for a CEO of publicly traded companies last year made $9.6 million dollars (according to the AP), the president of NEA with 3.2 million members made a little less than $400K, IMO that salary is not completely unreasonable. Fox news had an article about the "Fat Cat" union bosses, I believe the largest salary any of them made was a around $650K (only one made over $500K), most of them were in the $300K range (this was for the ten largest unions).

ARay11
07-19-2012, 09:52 AM
[QUOTE=ARay11;989723]
NEA has 3.2 million members, I guess it's a personnel opinion whether or not anyone should make that kind of money. The average wage for a CEO of publicly traded companies last year made $9.6 million dollars (according to the AP), the president of NEA with 3.2 million members made a little less than $400K, IMO that salary is not completely unreasonable. Fox news had an article about the "Fat Cat" union bosses, I believe the largest salary any of them made was a around $650K (only one made over $500K), most of them were in the $300K range (this was for the ten largest unions).

To be the head of 3.2 million people generally qualifies for a big salary. I am surprised it's only $400k. How much are the union dues?

zeus3925
07-20-2012, 08:21 AM
Here is something for you brave defenders of privilege to chew on:

This is from 2005 but you can bet it is more egregious now:

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida’s chief executive drew $4.7 million in total compensation last year — making him among the top paid Blue Cross CEOs nationwide. This as the Jacksonville-based insurer pink-slips some rank-and-file employees and trims administrative costs.

Robert Lufrano’s pay topped that of CEOs at not-for-profit Blue Plans or subsidiaries, some of which reported higher 2004 revenues, according to an analysis of 27 Blue Cross plans by Atlantic Information Services.

Lufrano’s package included $808,635 in salary, $2.35 million in bonuses and $1.56 million in other compensation, the Washington, D.C.-based health care publishing and information company said. " from:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/305369/blue_cross_ceos_pay_at_the_top_lufranos_compensati on_not/

Here is one from North Dakota. Damn good pay for getting fired:
http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/233829/


http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120515/NEWS03/120519922/blue-cross-parents-ceo-pay-climbs-to-12-9-million

Read the fine print on this one:
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120302/FREE/120309977/ceo-loepp-sees-compensation-rise-as-blue-cross-posts-revenue-membership-gains-in-2011

What say you now, bellyachers?

ARay11
07-20-2012, 01:38 PM
Here is something for you brave defenders of privilege to chew on:

This is from 2005 but you can bet it is more egregious now:
from:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/305369/blue_cross_ceos_pay_at_the_top_lufranos_compensati on_not/

Here is one from North Dakota. Damn good pay for getting fired:
http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/233829/


http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120515/NEWS03/120519922/blue-cross-parents-ceo-pay-climbs-to-12-9-million

Read the fine print on this one:
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20120302/FREE/120309977/ceo-loepp-sees-compensation-rise-as-blue-cross-posts-revenue-membership-gains-in-2011

What say you now, bellyachers?


And if we don't like the way BC/BS does business, then we just won't buy their product. Oh wait... that's not an option now. :(


:razz:

zeus3925
07-20-2012, 03:19 PM
And if we don't like the way BC/BS does business, then we just won't buy their product. Oh wait... that's not an option now. :(


:razz:
I never had a option --my employer decided that was the plan they were going to serve up for us retirees. No choice? Heck, what's new? BC/BS is their choice and as a stakeholder, I have an oar in this water. What business is it of yours to rant about a $400,000 salary paid to a union Prez in which you have no stake? 'Tain't none of your business. You are just looking to bad mouth somebody.

ARay11
07-20-2012, 03:33 PM
I never had a option --my employer decided that was the plan they were going to serve up for us retirees. No choice? Heck, what's new? BC/BS is their choice and as a stakeholder, I have an oar in this water. What business is it of yours to rant about a $400,000 salary paid to a union Prez in which you have no stake? 'Tain't none of your business. You are just looking to bad mouth somebody.


Do you have a reading disability? If so, I apologize, IF NOT......MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ MY COMMENTS.

NEVER HAVE I ONCE SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE SALARY OF ANY CEO OF ANY COMPANY.

zeus3925
07-22-2012, 01:33 PM
Ok ARay --Sorry about that!!

Marvin S
07-22-2012, 07:17 PM
Do you have a reading disability? If so, I apologize, IF NOT......MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ MY COMMENTS.

NEVER HAVE I ONCE SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE SALARY OF ANY CEO OF ANY COMPANY.

Well I do - when the CEO's began to develop a royalty complex & their salaries crept, no ballooned beyond 35 to 1 for the highest paid worker on staff I became a no voter for most things. They stack the BoD so it's no different with a company than most government agencies.

We do not donate to any non profit where the CEO makes more than 200K, including several environmental organizations that I believe in their message.

helencalif
07-22-2012, 08:04 PM
I never had a option --my employer decided that was the plan they were going to serve up for us retirees. No choice? Heck, what's new? BC/BS is their choice...

My husband is a retired sheet metal worker. Our medical coverage is through his union. The union seems to change insurance providers every year. We got a letter last month saying BS is the new medical provider. Co-pay went up, coverage went down in many categories. For example, used to pay 80% for mammograms. Now it is 60%. Dental coverage went down as did vision.

We are waiting for the letter that says our monthly insurance premium has gone up.

Helen

paul young
07-23-2012, 04:38 AM
My wife and i are still working, and probably will be for at least 5 more years. Luckily i have a very insurance plan thru my place of employment. On our most recent meeting with our financial advisor we were told that annual medical costs are increasing at 6% per year and that is expected to continue at that rate or more in the forseeable future. I guess i don't have to go into detail how much we hope that can be turned around. I don't believe the actual providers of health care (doctors, nurses and their staff) are getting 6% raises each year. The insurance companies however, are continually raising the rent and paying less in the way of benefits. I think that this needs fixing, but i'm not smart enough to know just how. I sure hope someone figures it out. -Paul