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BonMallari
08-15-2012, 07:39 PM
I am thinking there are no such people left, IMO the only ones that are left are those that are deciding whether or not they will vote at all.or the few that decide to vote a third party alternative

I think that the media has decided there is an undecided group out there in order to keep the hype of what has been a never ending election season that started sometime in Jan 2009...I think the American public has grown weary of all the crapola

Does a low voter turnout give the advantage to BHO-Biden or Romney-Ryan

mngundog
08-15-2012, 07:45 PM
I would think that around 70% of the swing vote are still undecided, Romney's VP was just announced and we haven't even had a debate yet.

JDogger
08-15-2012, 08:02 PM
I would think that around 70% of the swing vote are still undecided, Romney's VP was just announced and we haven't even had a debate yet.

I would hope that the electorate insist that any debates include the third party candidate. I see very little enthusiasm for either mainstream candidate. Maybe time to change direction. JD

BonMallari
08-15-2012, 08:27 PM
I would hope that the electorate insist that any debates include the third party candidate. I see very little enthusiasm for either mainstream candidate. Maybe time to change direction. JD

I agree....I for one would like to see Gary Johnson in the debate...I don't think the media would allow it, but it might make for a better debate and give the American public a look at what a third viable party might mean

luvmylabs23139
08-15-2012, 08:27 PM
I would hope that the electorate insist that any debates include the third party candidate. I see very little enthusiasm for either mainstream candidate. Maybe time to change direction. JD

Rosanne Barr in a presidential debate????

mngundog
08-15-2012, 09:05 PM
It would be great if they included Jimmy McMillion (sp?) from "The Rent is To Damn High" party

Franco
08-15-2012, 09:21 PM
I am thinking there are no such people left, IMO the only ones that are left are those that are deciding whether or not they will vote at all.or the few that decide to vote a third party alternative

I think that the media has decided there is an undecided group out there in order to keep the hype of what has been a never ending election season that started sometime in Jan 2009...I think the American public has grown weary of all the crapola

Does a low voter turnout give the advantage to BHO-Biden or Romney-Ryan

They are making fresh piles of it everyday!


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Haven't these two parties gotten us into enough mess?


The debates are controlled by the Dems and Repubs and there is no way they will allow anyone in the debates with different ideas. The Super Pacs say so too.

M&K's Retrievers
08-15-2012, 10:40 PM
Thankfully we have Franco to show us the way. A vote for the third party candidate is a vote for saving the country. Unfortunately, its a vote for obama as well.

huntinman
08-16-2012, 07:48 AM
Thankfully we have Franco to show us the way. A vote for the third party candidate is a vote for saving the country. Unfortunately, its a vote for obama as well.

Ditto. We don't have time to screw around with these third party fruitcakes right now. Maybe in the future when their parties are bigger and someone (other than Franco) actually takes them serious. Let's take care of the business at hand...

Franco
08-16-2012, 10:13 AM
The Repubs are just about fiinished and the Dems aren't too far behind! The majority has been disenfranchised by the current two parties!

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-political-independents-outweigh-partisans-185110098.html
The results indicate a collective thumbs down to both the Democratic and Republican Party, showing that an unprecedented 38 percent of adults rejected both parties and call themselves independents. Only 32 percent now say they are Democrats and 24 percent now call themselves Republicans.

Even the majority of Hispanics are now Independents!

Fifty-one percent of Hispanics describe themselves as political independents, according to a new USA Today/Gallup poll. Thirty-two percent identify as Democrats, 11 percent as Republicans.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/235827-poll-51-percent-of-hispanics-identify-as-political-independents

huntinman
08-16-2012, 10:18 AM
Then how come Ron Paul couldn't win one damn state? he's basically a libertarian...

BonMallari
08-16-2012, 10:36 AM
The Repubs are just about fiinished and the Dems aren't too far behind! The majority has been disenfranchised by the current two parties!

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-political-independents-outweigh-partisans-185110098.html
The results indicate a collective thumbs down to both the Democratic and Republican Party, showing that an unprecedented 38 percent of adults rejected both parties and call themselves independents. Only 32 percent now say they are Democrats and 24 percent now call themselves Republicans.

Even the majority of Hispanics are now Independents!

Fifty-one percent of Hispanics describe themselves as political independents, according to a new USA Today/Gallup poll. Thirty-two percent identify as Democrats, 11 percent as Republicans.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/235827-poll-51-percent-of-hispanics-identify-as-political-independents

that's a ludicrous statement....I thought that the TEA Party was a passing fancy and they proved me wrong....one of the main reasons that people CLAIM to be independent, is that they dont want to be associated with a loser...case in point, How many people do you know that will admit they voted for BHO...heck some R's had to have voted for him for him to win by such a wide margin....more and more will register as INDY's so they wont be grouped with one side or another...IMO the R or D designation is getting archaic and being replaced by Conservatives vs Liberals/progressives

Both R and D will do their best to supress any Ind movement because they know it will erode their power....In order for the American public to have a true Ind Party they will need to have infrastructure and viable candidates that will vote their platform...right now candidates are forced to run under one party or another but do anything but vote for the party that elected them or even more important their state constituents

Franco
08-16-2012, 11:00 AM
that's a ludicrous statement....I thought that the TEA Party was a passing fancy and they proved me wrong....one of the main reasons that people CLAIM to be independent, is that they dont want to be associated with a loser...case in point, How many people do you know that will admit they voted for BHO...(I know quite a few folks that voted for obama and theystill like him are they are still planning on voting for him again) heck some R's had to have voted for him for him to win by such a wide margin....more and more will register as INDY's so they wont be grouped with one side or another...IMO the R or D designation is getting archaic and being replaced by Conservatives vs Liberals/progressives Most are not what today's Conservatives have become nor what the Dems have become. Many are Fiscal Conservative and Social Liberals. The Progessives and Social Conservatives make the most noise but do not represent the majority! Independents are the ones that have been disenfranchised.

Both R and D will do their best to supress any Ind movement because they know it will erode their power....(their power is eroding everyday because voters are sick and tired of all the lying and shennagans coming from the Dems and Repubs)In order for the American public to have a true Ind Party(there is no real Ind Party, there is the second oldest party, the Libertarian Party and when talking about the Tea party, which sect would one be talking about?) they will need to have infrastructure and viable candidates that will vote their platform...right now candidates are forced to run under one party or another but do anything but vote for the party that elected them or even more important their state constituents

My comments are in red.

BonMallari
08-16-2012, 11:32 AM
that is the biggest weak spot of the TEA Party, they have a dysfunctional base...too many different factions...the line between the Libertarian and TEA party is very grey...Like I have stated before, its the SOCIAL- MORAL issues that really divide us, not the fiscal ones

DoubleHaul
08-16-2012, 11:42 AM
I think 90% of the electorate has had their mind made up for over a year. Almost always, the 'undecideds' are way over-stated since folks just say that they are undecided when they are really not. A small percentage of folks who say they are independent really are. In my state, since the Republican party allows registered independents to vote in its primaries, most of them are Democrats seeking to wreak havoc :)

menmon
08-16-2012, 11:55 AM
Hispanics, women and gays will determine the election...the rest of us don't count. Sorry that is just the way it is.

BonMallari
08-16-2012, 12:53 PM
I think 90% of the electorate has had their mind made up for over a year. Almost always, the 'undecideds' are way over-stated since folks just say that they are undecided when they are really not. A small percentage of folks who say they are independent really are. In my state, since the Republican party allows registered independents to vote in its primaries, most of them are Democrats seeking to wreak havoc :)

Totally agree


Hispanics, women and gays will determine the election...the rest of us don't count. Sorry that is just the way it is.

gay and lesbian will tend to vote D...but the wealthier segment will vote their pocketbook not their sexual orientation

Hispanics will vote according to their social status...the uneducated like those that work in my industry will swing hard to D's , while the more educated and those that have immigrated here legally or have business will vote their pocketbook.....

IMO women will vote their social and economic conscience not their gender

Every vote counts....your state may not be in play in the grand scheme of things, but in TX for example there is a US Senate seat up for grabs...the state will go R in the POTUS election

huntinman
08-16-2012, 01:20 PM
Hispanics, women and gays will determine the election...the rest of us don't count. Sorry that is just the way it is.

Sambo, you are just plain full of crap...

M&K's Retrievers
08-16-2012, 01:40 PM
I think there are less undecided than one might think. No hard evidence or stats. Just a hunch. I have talked to several people in this part of the world (heavily Democratic) who are in their 60's and have just registered to vote for the first time in their life. The reason given was the same. They feel they must help get Obama out of the Whitehorse regardless of the opponent. Hardly scientific but interesting.