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Buzz
08-22-2012, 11:58 AM
Romney and all his other deferment buddies, like Cheney...



Monday, at a press event in California before the GOP primary in that state, former Gov. Mitt Romney was asked about his support of United States military involvement overseas. He was pleased to answer the question...


“We are the most powerful nation in the world, and it is our responsibility to make sure we protect all of our interests both here and abroad. This helps protect each and every freedom that has been fought for and won over the centuries of our nation’s existence. We will do what we have to in regard to strengthening our allied relationships, as well as letting our enemies know we do not intend to back down. We will stay the course of freedom at all costs. That is what our founders would have wanted.”

Yes, I'm sure this is what our founders would have wanted. :rolleyes:




The next question asked went as follows, “Governor Romney, it is true, is it not that you had four deferments from the Vietnam War… You have said before that you support war and the efforts of US military involvement overseas at all costs, yet you made sure you would never go to war yourself. What makes you think that veterans and those currently serving in the military think that you have their best interests at heart when you yourself weren’t even interested in sacrificing your time, energy, or life for your nation at a time when it seemed most crucial?”



Romney responded:“That’s a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would one day serve my nation. That I would one day hold an office that would help not only our nation, but also the world. So I did what I could to make sure that I would be around to serve my nation, as well as serving God by teaching very important religious principles to a broader audience overseas. My father did not want me serving, and he convinced me that yes, I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn’t neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service.”
An onlooker that seemingly was a Vietnam veteran shouted, “Fuck you, Romney! You wouldn’t know service if it bit you on your well manicured ass.”


To which Romney responded, “Please don’t be testy, my friend. I did what I did for you, and I thank you for your service as well.”


That same veteran responded, “You only served yourself, you jackass. You could’ve served your nation even if your draft number wasn’t called… but you didn’t… you chose to serve yourself instead. Thanks for revealing your true colors.”

road kill
08-22-2012, 12:04 PM
I call Bravo Sierra!!!!
(hey Buzz, ya might wanna do your snopes thing ;-) )

gmhr1
08-22-2012, 12:05 PM
Obama didn't serve in the military either . Maybe thats why he thinks its ok to leak classified information that puts the men and women serving in danger. He should spent more time in Afghanistan instead of hanging out with Justin beiber and George Clooney.

Buzz
08-22-2012, 12:11 PM
OK, so I was had... I guess that puts me in good company around here.

I do have to wonder why a guy how vocally supported the war went out and got 4 deferments though.

It was important that other people fight it I guess.

duckheads
08-22-2012, 12:16 PM
And your messiah's military record is?

And why did your messiah increase troops in Afghanistan?

Franco
08-22-2012, 12:25 PM
Correct, the story does not pass the smell test but, it does bring up an interesting take on Obama and Romney. Neither one is in any hurry to end our involvement with A'stan and Iraq. International banking and internal political pressure doesn't want us out. Yet, all Obama would have to do is order the safe withdrawal of our troops.

Yet, my man Ron Paul who served as an officer and Military Doctor in the U S AirForce opposes our continued involvement in these two lost causes! I guess it takes a military man to know the difference between politics and keeping Americans safe;-)

Down East Labs 217
08-22-2012, 02:55 PM
The next question asked went as follows,
“Governor Romney, it is true, is it not that you had four deferments from the Vietnam War… You have said before that you support war and the efforts of US military involvement overseas at all costs, yet you made sure you would never go to war yourself. What makes you think that veterans and those currently serving in the military think that you have their best interests at heart when you yourself weren’t even interested in sacrificing your time, energy, or life for your nation at a time when it seemed most crucial?”


Romney responded:“That’s a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would one day serve my nation. That I would one day hold an office that would help not only our nation, but also the world. So I did what I could to make sure that I would be around to serve my nation, as well as serving God by teaching very important religious principles to a broader audience overseas. My father did not want me serving, and he convinced me that yes, I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn’t neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service.”
An onlooker that seemingly was a Vietnam veteran shouted,
“Fuck you, Romney! You wouldn’t know service if it bit you on your well manicured ass.”


To which Romney responded,
“Please don’t be testy, my friend. I did what I did for you, and I thank you for your service as well.”

That same veteran responded,
“You only served yourself, you jackass. You could’ve served your nation even if your draft number wasn’t called… but you didn’t… you chose to serve yourself instead. Thanks for revealing your true colors.”








The sad part about this whole post is some intellectually challenge schmo will read this, believe it and pass it on to all his mentally challenged friends and the whole thing goes viral until it makes it on MSNBC as the lead story. By then it is true and really happened because the news media said so.

My opinion

Richard

huntinman
08-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Hey Buzz, tell us all the great things Clinton and Obama did for the military... I won't hold my breath.

Buzz
08-22-2012, 03:26 PM
Hey Buzz, tell us all the great things Clinton and Obama did for the military... I won't hold my breath.

I must have missed it. Did Clinton and Obama protest the vietnam protesters like Mitt did?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/24/privilege_tragedy_and_a_young_leader/?page=8

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/06/22/1182548422_5400.jpg

road kill
08-22-2012, 03:28 PM
I must have missed it. Did Clinton and Obama protest the vietnam protesters like Mitt did?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/24/privilege_tragedy_and_a_young_leader/?page=8

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/06/22/1182548422_5400.jpg
I hope nobody drags up some of the stuff I did in Viet Nam or the 70's.

Just sayin'.........

menmon
08-22-2012, 03:29 PM
Buzz Romney fails at foriegn policy....remember his trip to Europe a few weeks ago. See he has to have one of his PAKs run an ad lying about BO to keep from losing that peice of the debate

menmon
08-22-2012, 03:32 PM
Even to this day...you don't think the war protesters did not have it right. Bad war and lots of people lost their lives and American shunned them when they came home....but to think that we should have been in that war in the first place is just wrong.

luvmylabs23139
08-22-2012, 03:33 PM
peice

Did you pay attention in school? I before E except AFTER C.

menmon
08-22-2012, 03:37 PM
Ever since they reworked the website...my computer messes...have you noticed I don't copy quotes...so I'm sorry At home I don't have this problem

gmhr1
08-22-2012, 04:00 PM
At least on Romneys trip they didnt throw tomatoes at his car like they did to Hillary yelling Monica Monica . Shes a big joke

menmon
08-22-2012, 04:20 PM
It is not about Hilary...it's about a man that grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth...no fault of his...but it is what shaped him. His influence was by the men that profited from the war not the men that lost their lives or the mothers and fathers that lost their children

huntinman
08-22-2012, 04:22 PM
And in Poland, Lech Walesa actually endorsed Romney as opposed to telling him to go to hell like hell did to Obama... I'd say Walesa is a good judge of character.

gmhr1
08-22-2012, 05:54 PM
Like it or not Hillary, Holder, Big Janet, they are all part of the Obama administration when they laugh at Hillary they are laughing at Obama.
Obama Romney Ryan even big Joe never served in the military so you can't throw stones at just one

mngundog
08-22-2012, 07:00 PM
Like it or not Hillary, Holder, Big Janet, they are all part of the Obama administration when they laugh at Hillary they are laughing at Obama.
Obama Romney Ryan even big Joe never served in the military so you can't throw stones at just one
Yet it is done all the time, Obama and Romney both believe in socialized healthcare yet we only throw stones at Obama, Obama/Romney both mandated free birth control yet Obama is to blame for assaulting religious freedom........ I could of swore that you were one of those that were throwing stones very recently at Obama for the same things Romney is guilty of.

coachmo
08-22-2012, 07:08 PM
So sambo since Romney was born with a silver spoon and according to you it's what shaped him, exactly what shaped Obama?

gmhr1
08-22-2012, 07:09 PM
Whats Romney guilty of not serving in the military? None of them have served so when you say Romney was to good to go to vietnam so was Obama. If you throw stones at Romney for not serving throw the same ones at bo.
The numbers came out today wonder what Obamas excuse is now the inherited a mess story is getting old he spent 5.3 trillion dollars since he took office and 1.3 trillion in the last 12 months.

I wondered why Biden didnt serve this is what I found out
Joe Biden dodged 5 draft attempts due to school, until 1968 when he suddenly came down with asthma...from high school.

coachmo
08-22-2012, 07:10 PM
Mngundog there's no comparison between a state having socialized health care and a country being forced into it?

Gerry Clinchy
08-22-2012, 08:36 PM
it's about a man that grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth...no fault of his...but it is what shaped him. His influence was by the men that profited from the war not the men that lost their lives or the mothers and fathers that lost their children
The same might have been said about the Kennedy dynasty.

Franco
08-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Whats Romney guilty of not serving in the military? None of them have served so when you say Romney was to good to go to vietnam so was Obama. If you throw stones at Romney for not serving throw the same ones at bo.
The numbers came out today wonder what Obamas excuse is now the inherited a mess story is getting old he spent 5.3 trillion dollars since he took office and 1.3 trillion in the last 12 months.

I wondered why Biden didnt serve this is what I found out
Joe Biden dodged 5 draft attempts due to school, until 1968 when he suddenly came down with asthma...from high school.

Obama was around 11 years old when Vietnam ended and probably still in Indonesia. Besides, the military has standards for entry.;)

murral stark
08-22-2012, 08:46 PM
romney was old enough to go to vietnam and skirted the fringes to stay out, because his dad told him he was too important to risk his life. BO would not have been old enough even at the end of the vietnam war, so that doesn't hold water. He was old enough to go to Desert Storm and chose not to go because there was no draft for Desert storm, strictly volunteer. There was a draft when Romney avoided going. Before you ask about my military service. I was not in the military, because I weighed 172 lbs with 9% body fat and was told that I needed to lose 15 pounds to meet the standard. When 9/11 occurred, I tried to volunteer again and they told me that I was too old.

murral stark
08-22-2012, 08:48 PM
The same might have been said about the Kennedy dynasty.

JFK was a military man so that dog don't hunt either.

gmhr1
08-22-2012, 08:55 PM
There doesn't have to be a war to serve in the military some people actually choose it.

murral stark
08-22-2012, 09:17 PM
There doesn't have to be a war to serve in the military some people actually choose it.

That is very true. I believe we were talking about war time when Romney avoided the draft because he was too important, as did Clinton avoid the draft. BO, Clinton, and Romney, and Ryan could all have volunteered to enter the military in peacetime too. None of them did. The 2 that stick out the most are Clinton and Romney being "draft dodgers". I am not sure why Clinton dodged, probably scared to get his arse shot off. Romney made it pretty clear, that he was told that he was too important to go to vietnam. Talk about an "Elitist" attitude. It's Ok for everybody else's kid to die for their country, but my son is too important to this world to go. WOW!!!

murral stark
08-22-2012, 09:22 PM
Mngundog there's no comparison between a state having socialized health care and a country being forced into it?

What's the difference? If it is a socialist health care mandate, it doesn't matter if it's a socialist state mandate, or nationwide. It's still a socialist health care plan or am I not understanding something? The way I interpret your post, it is OK for each state to mandate it but not nationwide. Explain the difference please.

charly_t
08-22-2012, 09:39 PM
.................................................. .................................................. ...... Talk about an "Elitist" attitude. It's Ok for everybody else's kid to die for their country, but my son is too important to this world to go. WOW!!!

That is one of the reasons I don't like him. On the other hand Obama is worse ( I think ) because he hasn't a clue about what the USA is ( or should be ). Both seem to feel way too self important and I want a president who thinks more of the people and less of himself. I will probably vote for the ticket with Ryan but I'm not going to be totally happy with him as a VP. He is above what we currently have. Maybe I'm wrong but I blame our schools for much of the modern outlook that I see with the young people who are the age of my grandchildren. Not a clue !

Franco
08-22-2012, 10:06 PM
The same might have been said about the Kennedy dynasty.

JFK lost his older brother Joe in WW2. I'm not to sure abut Bobby's and Teddy's service. PT109, still a good movie to watch.

BonMallari
08-22-2012, 10:49 PM
If being in the military were the litmus test on whether or not someone was qualified to be President then John McCain would be POTUS not BHO....I sure as heck didnt want Colin Powell or Wesley Clark as our President, now Stormin Norman S might have been one heck of a POTUS

Eric Johnson
08-22-2012, 10:53 PM
Romney was born on March 12, 1947. When the draft was changed to the lottery, his birth year was included in the first lottery. His drawn number was 300 of of 366. The highest lottery number that was called to service during Romney's year was 195. In short, all the talk about Romney avoiding the draft is codswallop.

Now on the subject of Ron Paul. Representative Paul got a government grant(!) to attend medical school. Upon completion, he appears to have entered the USAF under what was called the Berry plan. What was required of him was 2 years of active service and 3 years of guard or reserve or 3 years of active service. His was a 2 year active stint. As I recall, no, repeat, no physician entering the USAF as a 2 year Berry plan doc went to VN. Some 3 year folks did but not the two year ones. Heck, it took the first two year tour to learn they couldn't salute with the left hand. Seriously, taking physicians into the Air Force was a major "socialization" problem. It took two years to get that accomplished and to get the ascension (grant, travel, and training) costs covered.

Didn't Clinton actively avoid the service by some chicanery regarding the ROTC at U of Ark.

achiro
08-22-2012, 11:54 PM
So buzz posts a LIE, knows its a LIE, but keeps the post up. Super classy there buzz. I have zero respect for people like you. Then there are people like poor Murral that can't comprehend that it is a LIE and keep repeating it as true.
Typical dim debate techniques. Can't win so you just keep making shit up to fit your agenda until the sheeple get in line behind you.

mngundog
08-23-2012, 02:19 AM
Didn't Clinton actively avoid the service by some chicanery regarding the ROTC at U of Ark.

Yes he did, he took a College deferment, it was a major focus during the election, just Google "Clinton draft dodger" and you'll get about 12,000 hits.

dback
08-23-2012, 07:55 AM
So buzz posts a LIE, knows its a LIE, but keeps the post up. Super classy there buzz. I have zero respect for people like you. Then there are people like poor Murral that can't comprehend that it is a LIE and keep repeating it as true.
Typical dim debate techniques. Can't win so you just keep making shit up to fit your agenda until the sheeple get in line behind you.

I remember years ago, in a very similar case when 'Joe S' "quoted" a couple of his moron minions and replied......"Your not helping". I can only assume an educated Buzz must enjoy the fact he can post a lie and then watch a couple of fools run with the baton.

Dustin D
08-23-2012, 08:23 AM
I guess it takes a military man to know the difference between politics and keeping Americans safe;-)

^THIS^



Buzz, have you served in the military?

Rhetorical? I think we all know the answer to that. ;)

coachmo
08-23-2012, 08:30 AM
You guys should have figured out by now that when you call these foolish, hypocritical, left-wing nut-jobs out they run and hide. They seldom answer any question with a rational response.

Jason Glavich
08-23-2012, 09:33 AM
Ever since they reworked the website...my computer messes...have you noticed I don't copy quotes...so I'm sorry At home I don't have this problem

mine too. I have reported the issue to chris. nothing has been fixed. blamed it on my browsers, all 3 of them.

road kill
08-23-2012, 09:35 AM
So buzz posts a LIE, knows its a LIE, but keeps the post up. Super classy there buzz. I have zero respect for people like you. Then there are people like poor Murral that can't comprehend that it is a LIE and keep repeating it as true.
Typical dim debate techniques. Can't win so you just keep making shit up to fit your agenda until the sheeple get in line behind you.

As the youngbloods say today....."BAM.....headshot!!!!"

Buzz
08-23-2012, 10:30 AM
As the youngbloods say today....."BAM.....headshot!!!!"


I admitted that I had been had. I thought of removing the thread, but then I stopped and thought about it. I have been posting up links to snopes to the BS that many here like UB have been posting for years. Never once have I ever seen anyone admit that what they posted was BS, let alone remove the thread, so I said screw it. I admitted it was BS, if some moron can't read two or three posts down from the original and figure it out, it's not my problem.

At least I'm not supporting a candidate who is a serial liar. Romney is basing his entire campaign on lies. First he comes out with an ad with Obama stating that "we can't talk about the economy or we lose." Oops, they forgot to include the part where it is clear the he was quoting McCain. Then he comes up with the "you didn't build that" BS. From the context it is clear that he was talking about the infrastructure that makes this a country that the motivated can be successful in, but no, liar in chief claims that he said that you didn't build your business. Then he tells another bald faced lie, saying the Obama gutted work requirements in welfare reform when all he did was give states the right to get deferments from certain requirements in order to institute more effective efforts to get people off of the dole and into the workforce. Something by the way that conservatives had been asking for. Then he comes out with the whopper that Obama is gutting medicare, implying that he is taking $700 billion out of the program and that seniors will pay with less coverage. The fact is the savings comes from cuts to the medicare advantage program which has proved to be much more expensive than the traditional fee for service, and from negotiating reductions in reimbursement to hospitals and providers. Romney implies that "putting that $700 billion back in" will help seniors, when in fact it will bankrupt the program sooner. The truth is exactly opposite of what your guy is saying.

So, save the overblown indignation. I'm threw with this place. Have a good life...

huntinman
08-23-2012, 10:35 AM
I admitted that I had been had. I thought of removing the thread, but then I stopped and thought about it. I have been posting up links to snopes to the BS that many here like UB have been posting for years. Never once have I ever seen anyone admit that what they posted was BS, let alone remove the thread, so I said screw it. I admitted it was BS, if some moron can't read two or three posts down from the original and figure it out, it's not my problem.

At least I'm not supporting a candidate who is a serial liar. Romney is basing his entire campaign on lies. First he comes out with an ad with Obama stating that "we can't talk about the economy or we lose." Oops, they forgot to include the part where it is clear the he was quoting McCain. Then he comes up with the "you didn't build that" BS. From the context it is clear that he was talking about the infrastructure that makes this a country that the motivated can be successful in, but no, liar in chief claims that he said that you didn't build your business. Then he tells another bald faced lie, saying the Obama gutted work requirements in welfare reform when all he did was give states the right to get deferments from certain requirements in order to institute more effective efforts to get people off of the dole and into the workforce. Something by the way that conservatives had been asking for. Then he comes out with the whopper that Obama is gutting medicare, implying that he is taking $700 billion out of the program and that seniors will pay with less coverage. The fact is the savings comes from cuts to the medicare advantage program which has proved to be much more expensive than the traditional fee for service, and from negotiating reductions in reimbursement to hospitals and providers. Romney implies that "putting that $700 billion back in" will help seniors, when in fact it will bankrupt the program sooner. The truth is exactly opposite of what your guy is saying.

So, save the overblown indignation. I'm threw with this place. Have a good life...

you still didn't answer the question posed... did you ever serve in the military Buzz??

oh... its through... not threw...

road kill
08-23-2012, 10:38 AM
I admitted that I had been had. I thought of removing the thread, but then I stopped and thought about it. I have been posting up links to snopes to the BS that many here like UB have been posting for years. Never once have I ever seen anyone admit that what they posted was BS, let alone remove the thread, so I said screw it. I admitted it was BS, if some moron can't read two or three posts down from the original and figure it out, it's not my problem.

At least I'm not supporting a candidate who is a serial liar. Romney is basing his entire campaign on lies. First he comes out with an ad with Obama stating that "we can't talk about the economy or we lose." Oops, they forgot to include the part where it is clear the he was quoting McCain. Then he comes up with the "you didn't build that" BS. From the context it is clear that he was talking about the infrastructure that makes this a country that the motivated can be successful in, but no, liar in chief claims that he said that you didn't build your business. Then he tells another bald faced lie, saying the Obama gutted work requirements in welfare reform when all he did was give states the right to get deferments from certain requirements in order to institute more effective efforts to get people off of the dole and into the workforce. Something by the way that conservatives had been asking for. Then he comes out with the whopper that Obama is gutting medicare, implying that he is taking $700 billion out of the program and that seniors will pay with less coverage. The fact is the savings comes from cuts to the medicare advantage program which has proved to be much more expensive than the traditional fee for service, and from negotiating reductions in reimbursement to hospitals and providers. Romney implies that "putting that $700 billion back in" will help seniors, when in fact it will bankrupt the program sooner. The truth is exactly opposite of what your guy is saying.

So, save the overblown indignation. I'm threw with this place. Have a good life...
Hey Buzz, that is not entirely true.

I posted something once in a hurry and you snopesed it.
I admitted I didn't check it and apologized.
Big deal Dude, get over it!!

Please Mr Buzz, don't go away, I enjoy your stuff!!!!!:cool:

huntinman
08-23-2012, 10:39 AM
DNF used to do that once a week, remember? he'll be back...

mngundog
08-23-2012, 10:46 AM
As I recall Uncle Bill got caught doing that also, don't remember him pulling the post. I don't remember the outrage.

Franco
08-23-2012, 10:57 AM
Buzz, the place needs your balance! At least you provide substance with your counterpoints.

huntinman
08-23-2012, 11:04 AM
When someone says they are going to take their ball and go home they are usually looking to see who will beg them to stay. I say if you want to go, go. If you want to stay, stay. Never really believed in threats. Just do what you are going to do.

achiro
08-23-2012, 11:23 AM
As I recall Uncle Bill got caught doing that also, don't remember him pulling the post. I don't remember the outrage.
[inthegoofiestmonstervoiceicanmuster]IT'S BUSH'S FAULT! HE DID IT FIRST! BLAH BLAH WAH WAH

BonMallari
08-23-2012, 11:32 AM
I admitted that I had been had. I thought of removing the thread, but then I stopped and thought about it. I have been posting up links to snopes to the BS that many here like UB have been posting for years. Never once have I ever seen anyone admit that what they posted was BS, let alone remove the thread, so I said screw it. I admitted it was BS, if some moron can't read two or three posts down from the original and figure it out, it's not my problem.

At least I'm not supporting a candidate who is a serial liar. Romney is basing his entire campaign on lies. First he comes out with an ad with Obama stating that "we can't talk about the economy or we lose." Oops, they forgot to include the part where it is clear the he was quoting McCain. Then he comes up with the "you didn't build that" BS. From the context it is clear that he was talking about the infrastructure that makes this a country that the motivated can be successful in, but no, liar in chief claims that he said that you didn't build your business. Then he tells another bald faced lie, saying the Obama gutted work requirements in welfare reform when all he did was give states the right to get deferments from certain requirements in order to institute more effective efforts to get people off of the dole and into the workforce. Something by the way that conservatives had been asking for. Then he comes out with the whopper that Obama is gutting medicare, implying that he is taking $700 billion out of the program and that seniors will pay with less coverage. The fact is the savings comes from cuts to the medicare advantage program which has proved to be much more expensive than the traditional fee for service, and from negotiating reductions in reimbursement to hospitals and providers. Romney implies that "putting that $700 billion back in" will help seniors, when in fact it will bankrupt the program sooner. The truth is exactly opposite of what your guy is saying.

So, save the overblown indignation. I'm threw with this place. Have a good life...


Wow Buzz...used to have respect for you, may not have agreed with you politically, but respected your right to a different opinion....never seen you stoop to this level...

whatever deep seated hatred you have for all things Republican is up to you

mngundog
08-23-2012, 05:00 PM
[inthegoofiestmonstervoiceicanmuster]IT'S BUSH'S FAULT! HE DID IT FIRST! BLAH BLAH WAH WAH
Achiro, it's comments like that is why the POTUS forum is so amusing to me, Uncle Bill and Buzz can post the same type of made up crap about each others candidate, yet one is a hero and one is the devil depending on what side of the aisle you fall, and when he can't justify your words all you can come up with is "blah blah wah wah".


So buzz posts a LIE, knows its a LIE, but keeps the post up. Super classy there buzz. I have zero respect for people like you. Then there are people like poor Murral that can't comprehend that it is a LIE and keep repeating it as true.
Typical dim debate techniques. Can't win so you just keep making shit up to fit your agenda until the sheeple get in line behind you.

You have Zero respect for Buzz because of his views, not because of this post, otherwise you would have to have zero respect for Uncle Bill cause he does the exact same thing.

achiro
08-23-2012, 05:13 PM
Achiro, it's comments like that is why the POTUS forum is so amusing to me, Uncle Bill and Buzz can post the same type of made up crap about each others candidate, yet one is a hero and one is the devil depending on what side of the aisle you fall, and when he can't justify your words all you can come up with is "blah blah wah wah".



You have Zero respect for Buzz because of his views, not because of this post, otherwise you would have to have zero respect for Uncle Bill cause he does the exact same thing.
OR maybe I've never read one of UBs posts because I usually try to stay away from POTUS. I was just feeling feisty and wanted to come play for a couple of days.

ARay11
08-23-2012, 05:19 PM
OR maybe I've never read one of UBs posts because I usually try to stay away from POTUS. I was just feeling feisty and wanted to come play for a couple of days.

welcom to POTUS... there's no such thing as jus' hangin' out around here...... and hopefully you have thick skin, these fellas don't normally hold any punches... see poor sambo's attempt at spelling consensual on the next thread..... he will be punished for years..... LOL!!!

be careful.... it sucks you in and the next thing you know..... WHAM .... ur POTUS'd.

mngundog
08-23-2012, 05:20 PM
OR maybe I've never read one of UBs posts because I usually try to stay away from POTUS. I was just feeling feisty and wanted to come play for a couple of days.
Sorry that was probably the case, on here it seems like its a common theme where guys post up stuff without checking their facts, both sides seem to be equally guilty of it.

Cody Covey
08-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Wow Buzz...used to have respect for you, may not have agreed with you politically, but respected your right to a different opinion....never seen you stoop to this level...

whatever deep seated hatred you have for all things Republican is up to you
I've noticed that Buzz has been much pissier (is that a word) around here lately. I find it interesting that Buzz is so pissed about the lies from the right when his side is doing it as well with more attack ads that consist of solely lies than Romney the last time I saw a count of them. I'm not sure what Buzz's hatred for Romney is more so than other candidates but it is clearly something other than the "lying" issue.

huntinman
08-23-2012, 05:41 PM
I've noticed that Buzz has been much pissier (is that a word) around here lately. I find it interesting that Buzz is so pissed about the lies from the right when his side is doing it as well with more attack ads that consist of solely lies than Romney the last time I saw a count of them. I'm not sure what Buzz's hatred for Romney is more so than other candidates but it is clearly something other than the "lying" issue.

He, like the other libs are starting to see the writing on the wall. They are starting to think their boy might lose... and they don't like it... makes them a little grouchy...

BonMallari
08-23-2012, 06:18 PM
Achiro, it's comments like that is why the POTUS forum is so amusing to me, Uncle Bill and Buzz can post the same type of made up crap about each others candidate, yet one is a hero and one is the devil depending on what side of the aisle you fall, and when he can't justify your words all you can come up with is "blah blah wah wah".



You have Zero respect for Buzz because of his views, not because of this post, otherwise you would have to have zero respect for Uncle Bill cause he does the exact same thing.


who is calling UB a hero...I get the same type of emails from the same sources that UB does along with some passed along by on of my more extreme conservative family members...I give them the same attention before depositing them in the proper receptacle....there are many ways to get the facts and most of them are not on internet chat boards

disclaimer : I just like everyone else on here has been guilty of posting less than factual political info, How you defend those posts and own up to them speaks more about your beliefs in those posts

mngundog
08-23-2012, 06:24 PM
who is calling UB a hero...I get the same type of emails from the same sources that UB does along with some passed along by on of my more extreme conservative family members...I give them the same attention before depositing them in the proper receptacle....there are many ways to get the facts and most of them are not on internet chat boards

disclaimer : I just like everyone else on here has been guilty of posting less than factual political info, How you defend those posts and own up to them speaks more about your beliefs in those posts
Well said.

dback
08-23-2012, 07:09 PM
You have Zero respect for Buzz because of his views, not because of this post, otherwise you would have to have zero respect for Uncle Bill cause he does the exact same thing.

It is not an issue of UB or Buzz being duped by an e-mail.....that's happened to most. Buzz recognized and admitted the error within a couple of posts so no big deal...... allowing a couple of addlepated devotees to continue with faulty information for an additional 5 pages is where it becomes questionable.

charly_t
08-23-2012, 09:19 PM
mine too. I have reported the issue to chris. nothing has been fixed. blamed it on my browsers, all 3 of them.

Have you tried the "go advanced" button ? That works for me since the other one doesn't work at times.

gmhr1
08-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Romney was exempt under student status and he had a high draft lottery number

Clay Rogers
08-27-2012, 05:44 AM
Buzz, have you served in the military?

What has that got to do with anything?

huntinman
08-27-2012, 12:11 PM
What has that got to do with anything?

Because Buzz was questioning Romneys military service... Fair question.

mjh345
08-27-2012, 07:48 PM
If you haven't served, my opinion is you don't have the right to denigrate those who have, nor those who have not.

Edit: While you have the legal right, my opinion is you don't have the moral right. (Apparently, the use of the word "right" created some confusion....)

Gotta be one of the dumbest statements ever on POTUS...........and thats saying a lot!!!

mjh345
08-27-2012, 08:48 PM
I apply it equally to all parties, unlike most on here who are too blinded by their allegiance to one side or the other.

Kind of goes along with if you didn't vote, don't complain.

Who cares who you apply it to? You can make as many arguments as you want and I ain't buying any excuse to restrict 1st Am right of any citizen or class of citizens for any reason.

By your "LOGIC" if I go to a restaurant and get a burnt steak then I shouldn't be allowed to criticize the cook, if I've never been a cook before. Likewise I guess you would say the parents of the soldiers killed in A'stan today , allegedly by "friendly US trained A;stan security personnel that were alienated by the Koran burning US soldiers: ' that unless they were veterans that they had no right to criticize those involved

Carried to its "logical" conclusion, unless your real name is Bush, Carter, or Clinton then you should'nt be on POTUS criticizing the POTUS, since you have never been the POTUS.

Seems "LOGICAL" to me3. NOT!!!

mjh345
08-27-2012, 10:26 PM
so, what's your real name?

Anyway, as I said, I wasn't referring to restricting a legal right. I said in my opinion, you have no moral right to call someone out for something you yourself have not done. Lots of things are legal that aren't moral. Do you need a civics lesson, too?

By the way, I've seen some of your posts, and I think you really take the cake for dumbest post when you compared a truly conservative person to Alec Baldwin. That was funny.

My real name is Marc Healey. Im an attorney which may explain my confusion on "Moral" matters. Any sign of morality results in immediate expulsion from law school. :)

So its your position that in the examples of the restaurant and the parents of the dead soldiers that it would be morally wrong to question the actors unless the diner had been a cook and the parents had been soldiers?

If a LEO did something stupid and killed an innocent loved one of yours; would you feel compelled by your "morality" to not question the LEO's irrational stupid behavior; unless you have a LEO background? REALLY??

I differ from you in that I see no moral or legal problem with questioning either the cook, the soldiers, or thje LEO" regardless of whether or not I had ever had that job. Furthermore in the case of the soldier or the LEO, or any profession that is granted the authority to use deadly force; I almost feel that we have a duty to criticize when they act incorrectly, resulting in the killing or maiming of innocent people. Maybe thats just me.

Now if you feel I need a civics lesson then I'm all ears Professor. When do classes start?

Before we start the classes please send me a syllabus. Highlight the part that explains how a Civics class would be the academic venue to resolve the interplay between legality, morality & ethics Also will this class explain that none of us can morally be on POTUS criticizing the POTUS' unless like you they are one of our 4 surviving past POTUS's?

huntinman
08-27-2012, 10:32 PM
My real name is Marc Healey. Im an attorney which may explain my confusion on "Moral" matters. Any sign of morality results in immediate expulsion from law school. :)

So its your position that in the examples of the restaurant and the parents of the dead soldiers that it would be morally wrong to question the actors unless the diner had been a cook and the parents had been soldiers?

If a LEO did something stupid and killed an innocent loved one of yours; would you feel compelled by your "morality" to not question the LEO's irrational stupid behavior; unless you have a LEO background? REALLY??

I differ from you in that I see no moral or legal problem with questioning either the cook, the soldiers, or thje LEO" regardless of whether or not I had ever had that job. Furthermore in the case of the soldier or the LEO, or any profession that is granted the authority to use deadly force; I almost feel that we have a duty to criticize when they act incorrectly, resulting in the killing or maiming of innocent people. Maybe thats just me.

Now if you feel I need a civics lesson then I'm all ears Professor. When do classes start?

Before we start the classes please send me a syllabus. Highlight the part that explains how a Civics class would be the academic venue to resolve the interplay between legality, morality & ethics Also will this class explain that none of us can morally be on POTUS criticizing the POTUS' unless like you they are one of our 4 surviving past POTUS's?

Sounds like something an attorney might say... I'll side with FinnLanndr on this one.

mngundog
08-27-2012, 11:05 PM
so, what's your real name?

Anyway, as I said, I wasn't referring to restricting a legal right. I said in my opinion, you have no moral right to call someone out for something you yourself have not done. Lots of things are legal that aren't moral. Do you need a civics lesson, too?

By the way, I've seen some of your posts, and I think you really take the cake for dumbest post when you compared a truly conservative person to Alec Baldwin. That was funny.
Initially I was going to disagree with you, but man it would be nice if the general public wasn't allowed to state a negative opinion about a Police Officer, Serviceman, or a school teacher , unless they had spent an few years in their shoes. I don't believe that will ever happen, but the world would be a much better place if they had your morals. :D

Marvin S
08-27-2012, 11:07 PM
Sounds like something an attorney might say... I'll side with FinnLanndr on this one.

Marc guides in my home county - most of the residents at one time were from the heartland of Europe - Those who got a deferment during WW II were shunned - it's not like being a cook or anything of that nature - you give yourself to the government for the betterment of civilization, we all can hope.

To those of us who are veterans, being one is special, though I advocate no special treatment for those who served they did give. In turn, many who did not go also served in some manner.

Clay Rogers
08-28-2012, 08:38 AM
Because Buzz was questioning Romneys military service... Fair question.

Did you serve, and if so in what capacity?

huntinman
08-28-2012, 08:40 AM
Did you serve, and if so in what capacity?

Yes I did Clay... Air Force 1980-1985. Got out in Alaska. Spent 21 years there. Wouldn't be in this debate if I didn't.

Clay Rogers
08-28-2012, 08:48 AM
If you haven't served, my opinion is you don't have the right to denigrate those who have, nor those who have not.

Edit: While you have the legal right, my opinion is you don't have the moral right. (Apparently, the use of the word "right" created some confusion....)

Did you serve, and if so in what capacity? By the way, I think your arguement holds no water. See, that's the great thing about the United States, we have free speech, which if you served, is one of the things you would have protected. I asked in what capacity because using your thought process, if you were rear echelon, then you really couldn't give your opinion on combat matters, just like I shouldn't give my opinion on how rear echelon does things, right? Buzz has every right to question anyone running for office about anything he feels important to him, without having his service record, or lack of one called into question. I think morally(using your word), we all have a duty to find out everything we can about a person that wants to hold the highest office in our land and control our armed forces. The only mistake our forefathers made when forming this country was not making it mandatory for the president to have served in the miltary.

Clay Rogers
08-28-2012, 08:51 AM
Yes I did Clay... Air Force 1980-1985. Got out in Alaska. Spent 21 years there. Wouldn't be in this debate if I didn't.

Why not? Just because we did serve, doesn't make us the supreme all knowing being that some people think it does. Yea, it gives us more knowledge about all things military, but doesn't give us the right to shit on people that didn't serve and say their opinion isn't worth anything.

And before anyone asks, I did serve, 88-93, US Army.