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coachmo
09-13-2012, 07:07 PM
It appears that obama and his administration have differing views as to whether or not Egypt is an ally of the U.S.A. Does the level of confusion among this administration really surprise anyone? We are being led by a merry band of fools! Wow you libs must really be proud!

huntinman
09-13-2012, 07:13 PM
8803





It's time for him to go.

Gerry Clinchy
09-13-2012, 08:41 PM
It's almost as if Obama is unravelling ... between the re-election campaign and an unexpected crisis.

And then Morsi says:


While condemning attacks on the embassies Thursday, Morsi reportedly said the Egyptian people need "breathing room." And he said he had called on Obama to "put an end to such behavior" like the anti-Islam film.


I think this demonstrates that Morsi has no concept of what free speech is like in the US. Where does he get off thinking that he can curtail free speech in another sovereign country? Is that a threat? If you don't do this, I'm not responsible for what happens to your embassy?

BonMallari
09-14-2012, 04:23 AM
when Anwar Sadat was in power (before he got knocked off), he was held in check and at least we got him to the table with M.Begin...now fast forward to Hosni Muhbarak, we give him a ton of money and although he is a dictator, he was somewhat benevolent and kept the radicals in check...so we help take him out of power and we are left with the Muslim brotherhood...Morsi is NOT an ally

cut off funding NOW..stop payment on the check

Franco
09-14-2012, 07:07 AM
Sen. Rand Paul says it very clearly yesterday of the Senate floor!

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/13/senator-rand-paul-on-the-charade-and-farce-of-debate-in-the-senate/

huntinman
09-14-2012, 08:46 AM
when Anwar Sadat was in power (before he got knocked off), he was held in check and at least we got him to the table with M.Begin...now fast forward to Hosni Muhbarak, we give him a ton of money and although he is a dictator, he was somewhat benevolent and kept the radicals in check...so we help take him out of power and we are left with the Muslim brotherhood...Morsi is NOT an ally

cut off funding NOW..stop payment on the check

Not only are we LEFT with the Muslim Brotherhood... it turns out the the BO Admin was behind putting them in... in a big way.

8807

It's time for him to go.

Gerry Clinchy
09-14-2012, 08:49 AM
when Anwar Sadat was in power (before he got knocked off), he was held in check and at least we got him to the table with M.Begin...
I can recall reading a brief bio of Sadat. He had started out a communist as a young man, but he figured out on his own that it didn't work. I think he sat down with Begin because of he realized it was the long-run best interest of Egypt. I remember a quote from him to the effect, "The Russians are just one generation removed from Barbarians," and further indicated he'd rather deal with the Chinese based on that assessment. My guess might be that he would call the violent people in Libya "barbarians", too.

When he was assassinated, I believed it was a big blow to possible peace and sanity in the ME ... and perhaps that is why he was killed ... by the same kind of extremists who continue to disrupt peace today.

I think that we see a culture in the ME that has long operated through tribal alliances and infighting, where leaders attain and maintain power by force and oppression. After generations of this, while the oppressed realize they are oppressed, they see no other alternative but to submit. Strongmen like Gadaffi and Sadam understand their culture and enforce a kind of "stability" using the methods that the culture "understands". When we dump out these stabilizing influences, there is a mad scramble for some other strongman (or group of them) to grab the power, and the only way they know to keep things stable are the same methods as that have worked for centuries.

The concept of govt truly run by the "people", the vision of the US founders, was truly revolutionary! for its time and still today. Still today, only a relatively small percentage of the world population operates under this revolutionary principle. The principle of freedom and individualism that result in capitalism certainly has its flaws and negative aspects, but overall even the poorest people in capitalist countries are way better off than those in socialist or communist countries (with the exception of the small number of "elites"). We grumble about the 1% being too well off (here and in other free countries), but fail to note that even those in the middle 50% (guessing), still are far better off than their counterparts in countries that still subscribe to the theories of socialism, communism, and theocracy (most of the ME). There are still people in this country who live in veritable shacks without electricity or indoor plumbing, but how do those numbers compare to their counterparts in other parts of the world?

Gerry Clinchy
09-14-2012, 10:14 AM
Not only are we LEFT with the Muslim Brotherhood... it turns out the the BO Admin was behind putting them in... in a big way.


It's time for him to go.

The irony of it ... BHO says that Romney "shoots first and aims later" ... Egypt and Libya might be examples of how Obama did that in a big way.

And now Hillary (and Feinstein) simply can't understand how this could happen when the US was so nice to them during their revolutions. Talk about out of touch.

huntinman
09-14-2012, 10:35 AM
The irony of it ... BHO says that Romney "shoots first and aims later" ... Egypt and Libya might be examples of how Obama did that in a big way.

And now Hillary (and Feinstein) simply can't understand how this could happen when the US was so nice to them during their revolutions. Talk about out of touch.

Appeasement has failed every time it has ever been tried.

8808
It is time for him to go.

WRL
09-14-2012, 11:32 AM
Pull out our men. Pull out our money......

Eventually they will kill each other and then will resort to eating their young.

Problem solved.

WRL

Uncle Bill
09-14-2012, 11:46 AM
Pull out our men. Pull out our money......

Eventually they will kill each other and then will resort to eating their young.

Problem solved.

WRL


I'm with you, Lee.


UB

gmhr1
09-14-2012, 11:56 AM
Lee this Sounds like a winner!

ARay11
09-14-2012, 12:27 PM
i think it is also important to know that the extremists we see on tv are possibly not the majority.

While I tend to agree with discontinuing aid to those areas, I do empathize with those who are thankful for the support of the USA and do not hate us for it... they will be cut off as well.

coachmo
09-14-2012, 04:00 PM
I agree with you that it may not be the majority but isn't it about time that the majority of Muslims world-wide stand up against the so-called limited number of radicals within there "religion". If it is truly a small number per say as the pathetic media in our country professes it to be then all of the "Allah" loving true believers should do something about it.

Novemberwitch
09-15-2012, 04:14 PM
There isn't a country in the Middle East that is an Ally. I believe that we are seeing that now!

gmhr1
09-15-2012, 04:22 PM
But we will keep giving them our money even with all these attacks there will be no cuts to any of them.

Novemberwitch
09-15-2012, 04:34 PM
The onlly thing we should be giving them is the cold shoulder and let them take care of themselves.

gmhr1
09-15-2012, 05:19 PM
Poor Obama talk about firing first than aiming he stuck his foot in his mouth with this one.... I think it was all Bushes fault. He should have attended a few more of those briefings when he took office he had zero foreign experience seems after 4 years he still has zero.