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menmon
09-18-2012, 03:29 PM
I just got back from the sporting good store where I bought another box of bullets to send Romney. Sure don't want him to run out of bullets before the election, but I'm not sure I can keep his gun loaded.

So our parents on social security don't matter to Romney; our kids in college don't matter to Romney; Our veterens with disabilities and unable to work don't matter to Romney; Our families with special children don't matter to Romney; someone that lost their good paying job in the recession and are working a lower paying job to make to until they can get back on their feet don't mater to Romney.

Folks I don't know how many times I have to tell you and he has to prove it, but he does not understand most americans problems. No he might be able to advise you on a hostle takeover, point you to an accountant and estate lawyer that can help you avoid tax, but he does not have a clue as to what most american's are challenged with.

Thank God he will not be our next president!

Franco
09-18-2012, 03:36 PM
Romney could have picked up more support had he been critical of Corporate Welfare! But then again, he has benefitted greatly by Corporate Welfare/Crony Capitalism.

You know the media will twist this just as they did about Obama's comments on infastructure enabling individuals to build their own busiensses.

Buzz
09-18-2012, 03:49 PM
Romney could have picked up more support had he been critical of Corporate Welfare! But then again, he has benefitted greatly by Corporate Welfare/Crony Capitalism.

You know the media will twist this just as they did about Obama's comments on infastructure enabling individuals to build their own busiensses.

Thank goodness we have one honest conservative...

luvmylabs23139
09-18-2012, 03:55 PM
I have zero problem with what Romney said. I'm sick of all of the non taxpayers. I really hate refundable credits which is pure redistribution.

Franco
09-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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GoldenSail
09-18-2012, 04:08 PM
So would you agree then that nearly half of Americans are non-taxpayers and that he shouldn't worry about half of America?

starjack
09-18-2012, 04:10 PM
I just got back from the sporting good store where I bought another box of bullets to send Romney. Sure don't want him to run out of bullets before the election, but I'm not sure I can keep his gun loaded.

So our parents on social security don't matter to Romney; our kids in college don't matter to Romney; Our veterens with disabilities and unable to work don't matter to Romney; Our families with special children don't matter to Romney; someone that lost their good paying job in the recession and are working a lower paying job to make to until they can get back on their feet don't mater to Romney.

Folks I don't know how many times I have to tell you and he has to prove it, but he does not understand most americans problems. No he might be able to advise you on a hostle takeover, point you to an accountant and estate lawyer that can help you avoid tax, but he does not have a clue as to what most american's are challenged with.

Thank God he will not be our next president!HA and your boy does. Have you looked at the gas prices lately. Have you went to the grocery store lately. Were is the budget that they never gave because they know that would kill them. How about health care can not wait to see how much my taxes are going to go up with that mess. Hes doing a great job in ME right. To busy fund raiseing while americans are being killed but no blood on his hands. You are so blinded by the BS and lies he tells you better keep the bullets for your self. BTW Can you tell me anybody who depends on the goverment can say they have earned it or worked for it.

There are people out there do need GOV. help i have no problem with them. But the ones perfectly able to work but it easyier to let GOV. take care of them have to go. But the way you believe the GOV. should help all.

Marvin S
09-18-2012, 04:13 PM
Romney could have picked up more support had he been critical of Corporate Welfare! But then again, he has benefitted greatly by Corporate Welfare/Crony Capitalism.

You know the media will twist this just as they did about Obama's comments on infastructure enabling individuals to build their own busiensses.


Thank goodness we have one honest conservative...

Franco's conservative credentials are just about as good as his proofreading :rolleyes: :p

Franco
09-18-2012, 04:21 PM
Franco's conservative credentials are just about as good as his proofreading :rolleyes: :p

I caught that when Buzz posted so I couldn't correct it!(businesses) Correct, I don't proof read nor spell check, my bad. Traditional Conservatives have too big a battle to fight against the far left and far right to be too concerned with minor details like spelling:o

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 04:22 PM
I agree with Romney 100% its about time someone is honest with us instead of our food stamp welfare Pres. The Govt is there if we need it its not supposed to be our living. You go on it when you need help the goal is to get off asap and get to work. Welfare now is the job of so many they want us paying for everything help yourself get a job!
Half America is on welfare, food stamps and want free stuff they will fight tooth and nail to keep it. Its a disgrace to America.

Down East Labs 217
09-18-2012, 04:27 PM
I just got back from the sporting good store where I bought another box of bullets to send Romney. Sure don't want him to run out of bullets before the election, but I'm not sure I can keep his gun loaded.

So our parents on social security don't matter to Romney; our kids in college don't matter to Romney; Our veterens with disabilities and unable to work don't matter to Romney; Our families with special children don't matter to Romney; someone that lost their good paying job in the recession and are working a lower paying job to make to until they can get back on their feet don't mater to Romney.

Folks I don't know how many times I have to tell you and he has to prove it, but he does not understand most americans problems. No he might be able to advise you on a hostle takeover, point you to an accountant and estate lawyer that can help you avoid tax, but he does not have a clue as to what most american's are challenged with.

Thank God he will not be our next president!

Mike

I am impressed by your lack of spelling mistakes and proper grammar. Who wrote this for you?

You really went over board on your interpretation of what was said. You missed your calling. You should be on MSNBC. The media moguls need your help Mike.

Oh by the way. You still can't sway my vote. A vote for the current POTUS is a vote for the down fall of America.

Richard

menmon
09-18-2012, 04:50 PM
Mike

I am impressed by your lack of spelling mistakes and proper grammar. Who wrote this for you?

You really went over board on your interpretation of what was said. You missed your calling. You should be on MSNBC. The media moguls need your help Mike.

Oh by the way. You still can't sway my vote. A vote for the current POTUS is a vote for the down fall of America.

Richard

Richard,

We both know that you will vote for him and tell everyone you didn't, because you know it is the right decision. It can be our little secret.

Mike

BonMallari
09-18-2012, 04:52 PM
I just got back from the sporting good store where I bought another box of bullets to send Romney. Sure don't want him to run out of bullets before the election, but I'm not sure I can keep his gun loaded.

So our parents on social security don't matter to Romney; our kids in college don't matter to Romney; Our veterens with disabilities and unable to work don't matter to Romney; Our families with special children don't matter to Romney; someone that lost their good paying job in the recession and are working a lower paying job to make to until they can get back on their feet don't mater to Romney.

Folks I don't know how many times I have to tell you and he has to prove it, but he does not understand most americans problems. No he might be able to advise you on a hostle takeover, point you to an accountant and estate lawyer that can help you avoid tax, but he does not have a clue as to what most american's are challenged with.

Thank God he will not be our next president!


As much as you think you are some self appointed voice of the liberal talking points , your original thoughts are the kind of rhetoric that shows up and Secret Service monitoring/tracking sites....you may think its harmless and glib , but the last thing the RTF needs is to be on anyones watch list

huntinman
09-18-2012, 04:54 PM
As much as you think you are some self appointed voice of the liberal talking points , your original thoughts are the kind of rhetoric that shows up and Secret Service monitoring/tracking sites....you may think its harmless and glib , but the last thing the RTF needs is to be on anyones watch list

No Bon, most of his or her schtick is so dumb, even his or mother wouldn't take it serious.

Blackstone
09-18-2012, 05:05 PM
I have to admit that I think Romney shot himself in the foot AGAIN with that revelation. If he's not careful, he will become Obama's best weapon to win re-election.

Down East Labs 217
09-18-2012, 05:08 PM
Richard,

We both know that you will vote for him and tell everyone you didn't, because you know it is the right decision. It can be our little secret.

Mike

Mike

I like your reply. It gave me a good laugh. But the only way I would vote for your POTUS is if a gun was held to my wife's head. They could hold it to my head all day long and I would not vote for him. But I would to save my wife's life.

Richard

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 05:19 PM
romney said the truth it shocks obamabots because they have never heard it. Some of us are sick of people that are able to work walking to their mailbox each day and think thats a hard days work. Get off the Govt get a job, as soon as Romney is Pres you will be able to find a job. He knows how to create them something Obama has failed to do in 4 yrs.

murral stark
09-18-2012, 06:43 PM
I interpreted it as him saying that the reason he wasn't going to worry about the 47% was that no matter what, they would not vote for him any way. Just my interpretation.

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 07:08 PM
Bingo, he wasnt saying he didnt care about them he said he didnt worry about getting their vote. They would vote for Obama no matter what and he's right.

106 million households recieve some type of fed aid. 46.7 million on food stamps, and 8.8 million on disability and some really think Obama offers the life we need?

Gerry Clinchy
09-18-2012, 09:36 PM
I interpreted it as him saying that the reason he wasn't going to worry about the 47% was that no matter what, they would not vote for him any way. Just my interpretation.

Bingo! The quote has already been "warped" into different words ... whereas I listened to the "You didn't build that" clip numerous times (with the preceding and succeeding words) & read the speech transcript ... and I still believe Obama was totally saying what he meant & demonstrating he was missing the point that the infrastructure was paid for by the people who created wealth to pay the taxes to build the infrastructure. Essentially, those he was accusing of freeloading were the very group(s) that DID pay for it!

Romney was saying that he couldn't worry about getting those VOTES ... had nothing to do with not worrying about poor people. The Romneys give a lot more to charity than Obama and Biden. They DO it, not TALK about it.

Why do people keep thinking that Obama is any more "in touch" than Romney? Did any of those people actually read Obama's tax returns? In one year, he got over $800,000 just from his book royalties. Does that put him in touch with a family of 4 living on $50,000 a year? He pays more than that each year for his daughters' private school tuition! And Michelle still has enough left over to spring for a $6800 jacket :-)

He clearly stated in his energy policies would cause energy costs (electricity) to soar. He said that with total detachment, with detachment & no apparent acknowledgment of what that would mean to the family of 4 living on $50,000 a year. This is being "in touch"?


Did he work when going to college? Nope. Obama talked about knowing what it meant to have school loans. If he didn't pay off his school loans a while back, he's worse at managing finances than we could ever imagine.

Obama may have some virtues, but I am not convinced that he is "in touch" with the working man or woman any more than Romney.

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 09:39 PM
I dont know why people think Obama doesnt have any money and can identify with the poor better than Romney they both have money and lots of it. Hes the President of the US he has money. He runs around with Beyonce, George Clooney private helicopters lives in the WH, its not like he' s living in a 2 bedroom shack eating hot dogs evey night, the man has bucks.

When all these cuts take place 3000 navy personel getting laid off, 4400 american airline employees, the sequestration cuts that start in jan, 120,000 defense contractors and the millions who have lost and continue to lose their jobs, whats going to happen to all these that dont have jobs are they just supposed to go on the welfare rolls Obama isnt creating jobs isnt that what we need to help these people.

JDogger
09-18-2012, 10:02 PM
As much as you think you are some self appointed voice of the liberal talking points , your original thoughts are the kind of rhetoric that shows up and Secret Service monitoring/tracking sites....you may think its harmless and glib , but the last thing the RTF needs is to be on anyones watch list

That has already happened, Bon.... Just look at the "guest's" list at any given time...

...Just sayin' ( I know've heard that someplace before...) JD

Marvin S
09-18-2012, 10:35 PM
I dont know why people think Obama doesnt have any money and can identify with the lower class . Hes the President of the US he has money. He runs around with Beyonce, George Clooney its not like he' s living in a 2 bedroom shack eating hot dogs evey night, the man has bucks.

Estimated @ $10 Mil while Biden is nearly broke :(.

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 10:49 PM
At a 1998 speech Obama said he believes in pooling resources and redistribution at a certain level so everybody has a fair shot. Is that communism or socialism?

JDogger
09-18-2012, 11:07 PM
At a 1998 speech Obama said he believes in pooling resources and redistribution at a certain level so everybody has a fair shot. Is that communism or socialism?

Maybe you need to do a goggle on both terms. They are very different. JD

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 11:19 PM
I would say socialism, this is where his mind is and the plan he has always had.

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JDogger
09-18-2012, 11:28 PM
I would say socialism, this is where his mind is and the plan he has always had.

Socialism=From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed among the society or workforce in addition to receiving a wage.

Good, now give your definition of capitalism. JD

gmhr1
09-18-2012, 11:35 PM
Socialist = Obama

Under a socialist system, everyone works for wealth that is, in turn, distributed to everyone. Under capitalism, you work for your own wealth.
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JDogger
09-18-2012, 11:40 PM
Capitalism- Not Obama
Socialism= Obama

Try to get some sleep Cyndi, you're holding on way to tight...JD

2tall
09-18-2012, 11:43 PM
Good lord I can't believe some of the stuff I read here! Say goodby to Max Headroom. He's done.

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 12:39 AM
I will take a shot at it JDogger...BHO is closer to a Marxist, anti colonialism

The following are not my words but sum up what I believe marxism to be...the words communism and socialism are thrown around and in many ways mis used, because more people are familiar with the term but don't really understand what they are really about


Marxism shares with other progressive social movements an uncompromising hostility to all forms of domination — sexism, racism, and so on, but what marks Marxism out from other progressive movements is that Marxists struggle always to overcome the manifold forms of domination and exploitation in and through the self-emancipation of the working class. Thus Marxism is Revolutionary Socialism.

While Marxism stands for the destruction of the capitalist state, and has as its aim the withering away of the state and all forms of institutionalised violence, Marxists not only support the right of the working class to exercise a domination over the bourgeoisie, they actively fight for that, since the dictatorship of the proletariat is the possible way to destroy bourgeois rule and open the way to the disappearance of all classes, including the class of wage-slaves. Marxism has its origins in the struggle for this perspective, in opposition to anarchism which seeks to undermine all forms of authority and seeks destruction of the capitalist state without promoting and preparing the working class for the seizure and holding of public political power.

menmon
09-19-2012, 09:17 AM
romney said the truth it shocks obamabots because they have never heard it. Some of us are sick of people that are able to work walking to their mailbox each day and think thats a hard days work. Get off the Govt get a job, as soon as Romney is Pres you will be able to find a job. He knows how to create them something Obama has failed to do in 4 yrs.

I'm sure he did speak the truth...these 47% I don't care about:(

2tall
09-19-2012, 09:25 AM
Bon, YOU have impressed me. You explained Marxism to a T, and showed the level of thought we need to be sharing here and in discussion everywhere to make a difference! Stop the condescending, mindless comments full off emotionally charged cliches, and together we MIGHT ​just make some progress!

gmhr1
09-19-2012, 09:56 AM
Romney was right he would have an easier time taking a bone from a pack of pitbulls than trying to take Govt out of some of these peoples lives. Obama has made it very easy for them to be paid for doing nothing. Its all supposed to be temporary assistance, not last forever.

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 10:11 AM
Bon, YOU have impressed me. You explained Marxism to a T, and showed the level of thought we need to be sharing here and in discussion everywhere to make a difference! Stop the condescending, mindless comments full off emotionally charged cliches, and together we MIGHT ​just make some progress!


You give me too much credit...the explanation of marxism was not mine...I just found what I believe to be the best explanation of it..I should have given the link where I found it

As for the things that divide us, that wont be decided in this election alone, but I see it as a make or break proposition for the country as a whole...so if thats a condescending cliche I stand by that statement

2tall
09-19-2012, 10:36 AM
No Bon, there is nothing cliched about believing in something. And you are not one of the folks I am talking about. I am repulsed by the name calling, racist attacks, and personal jibes under the heading of a political discussion. No more than that.

And oh yeah, just shaking my head at the lack of education displayed here. Don't you think that might be a big part of the problem?

road kill
09-19-2012, 11:35 AM
No Bon, there is nothing cliched about believing in something. And you are not one of the folks I am talking about. I am repulsed by the name calling, racist attacks, and personal jibes under the heading of a political discussion. No more than that.

And oh yeah, just shaking my head at the lack of education displayed here. Don't you think that might be a big part of the problem?

Just out of curiosity, am I one that displays a lack of education?

I pointed out years ago that Obama was a Marxist, not a socialist.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Also, calling folks secular progressives is not name calling, it is fact.
The "secular progressive party" (formerly the Democrats) BOO God!!!!!!

What would you call them?

Just sayin'..........

menmon
09-19-2012, 12:16 PM
Lets get back on point....Romney doesn't care about you unless you are a rich guy....doesn't that concern you?

This is the person you want to put in charge?

Wouldn't you say he should keep these thoughts to himself?

duckheads
09-19-2012, 12:36 PM
What are you talking about. He said that there are 47% of the people that will vote for Obama no matter what, which is true. Just exactly who does Obama care about? He certainly did not care about ambassador Stevens and the others that were killed along with him.

This is more crap to keep the true issues out of the news. Read the article I posted earlier. Or maybe we should see what this administartion is feeding media matters today for more deflection from Obama's dismal record for the last four yeras.

Gerry Clinchy
09-19-2012, 12:49 PM
Lets get back on point....Romney doesn't care about you unless you are a rich guy....doesn't that concern you?

Obama has his fair share of rich friends. In fact, Obama is also rich. In fact, Obama receives "foreign income" as well, according to his own published tax returns.

This is the person you want to put in charge?

Romney gives a higher percentage of his OWN money to charitable causes than either Obama and Biden.

Wouldn't you say he should keep these thoughts to himself?

Is this not an issue in our society today?

You may have just missed this, Mike

Romney was saying that he couldn't worry about getting those VOTES ... had nothing to do with not worrying about poor people.
The D's make a practice of using scare tactics about Medicare and entitlement programs (school loans, health care, public assistance, subsidies of all kinds, etc.). Those who receive those benefits, if they believe the D's, will not vote for someone who might upset their applecart.

gmhr1
09-19-2012, 01:04 PM
Obamas message You have it, I want it , I need it, I'm taking it , I'm entitled to it. Romney will change this but his message is not what the 47% of America wants to hear. These people will vote for obama this is the America they want after all its the Gov's money right they aren't taking it from us.

hotel4dogs
09-19-2012, 01:24 PM
Just to prove a theory of mine, I think when people post in this forum they should list their age and household income along with their opinion bwaaahaaaahaaaa

GoldenSail
09-19-2012, 01:27 PM
Just to prove a theory of mine, I think when people post in this forum they should list their age and household income along with their opinion bwaaahaaaahaaaa

What about their education?

helencalif
09-19-2012, 01:35 PM
Lets get back on point....Romney doesn't care about you unless you are a rich guy....doesn't that concern you?

What Romney said has been on the news for days. Not just the audible of the video, the text of what he said has been put up on TV screens. You need to read the text more closely. You are misinterpreting what he said.

There is no doubt that Romney is rich. So have been many presidents, both Republican and Democrat. Because Romney is rich doesn't mean he cares only about rich guys.

As for my age, I was in elementary school when Truman became president. Truman came from humble beginnings and was probably our least rich president, but he was far from being poor.

Helen

hotel4dogs
09-19-2012, 01:37 PM
Ok, you can add that one in, too. But age and income play more of a factor in which party people vote for, other than the fact that education is often tied in to income.


What about their education?

menmon
09-19-2012, 01:43 PM
No what he said is 47% of the people don't pay income tax and that he did not care about them because they were not going to vote for him. He lump the elderly, aflicted and children into his group of non-payers and called them victims.

50
BBA, MBA
$430,000 taxable income

GoldenSail
09-19-2012, 01:49 PM
Ok, you can add that one in, too. But age and income play more of a factor in which party people vote for, other than the fact that education is often tied in to income.

Not entirely. Academia is strongly tied with liberalism and since 2000 professionals (those with a college education) have been favoring the democratic party. (from Wikpedia, search for either party it will give you demographic info).

starjack
09-19-2012, 02:06 PM
No what he said is 47% of the people don't pay income tax and that he did not care about them because they were not going to vote for him. He lump the elderly, aflicted and children into his group of non-payers and called them victims.

50
BBA, MBA
$430,000 taxable incomeYou better watch the video again

road kill
09-19-2012, 02:12 PM
No what he said is 47% of the people don't pay income tax and that he did not care about them because they were not going to vote for him. He lump the elderly, aflicted and children into his group of non-payers and called them victims.

50
BBA, MBA
$430,000 taxable income

BRAVO SIERRA!!!!!
And YOU know it!!!

He did not say that............

3rd grade
Old & broke

menmon
09-19-2012, 02:15 PM
I've seen it and know exactly what he meant and why he said it. I have worked for years with the Romney types. He thought he was amoung friends and was talking to his base. His failure is that he has put all his focus on appeasing his base which is not geniune to begin with. He wants the job and will say what he thinks it takes to get it. I think I know what he is but I'm not sure because there has never been anything consistent come out of his mouth.

He has lost....49 days will not change america's perception of him. Right or wrong...perception trumps facts everyday

hotel4dogs
09-19-2012, 02:28 PM
College professors have always been tied with liberalism. In the big universities they are totally supported by liberal funding!
The professionals with a college education, according to Wikipedia, who majored in humanities and liberal arts tend to favor the democratic party. Those who majored in business are staunch conservatives.

Age 54
33% marginal income tax bracket
BS Management
MA Math Education




Not entirely. Academia is strongly tied with liberalism and since 2000 professionals (those with a college education) have been favoring the democratic party. (from Wikpedia, search for either party it will give you demographic info).

road kill
09-19-2012, 02:35 PM
I've seen it and know exactly what he meant and why he said it. I have worked for years with the Romney types. He thought he was amoung friends and was talking to his base. His failure is that he has put all his focus on appeasing his base which is not geniune to begin with. He wants the job and will say what he thinks it takes to get it. I think I know what he is but I'm not sure because there has never been anything consistent come out of his mouth.

He has lost....49 days will not change america's perception of him. Right or wrong...perception trumps facts everyday

That post is as accurate in defining you and your party as anything ever posted here on RTF POTUS!
This trumps the Florida Realtor!!!

Doesn't matter the facts or what he actually said, YOU know what he meant!!


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

menmon
09-19-2012, 03:04 PM
That post is as accurate in defining you and your party as anything ever posted here on RTF POTUS!
This trumps the Florida Realtor!!!

Doesn't matter the facts or what he actually said, YOU know what he meant!!


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you are agreeing with me he has lost?

road kill
09-19-2012, 03:06 PM
So you are agreeing with me he has lost?
Don't be foolish..............

ARay11
09-19-2012, 03:08 PM
I would like to hear the entirety of Mr Romney's comments. Not the sound byte.

Uncle Bill
09-19-2012, 03:09 PM
Don't be foolish..............

He can't help himself...he is what he is. He's the leader of the "FOOLS"!

UB



The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but the citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.
It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency, than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.
Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.
The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those that made him their President.

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 03:18 PM
Lets get back on point....Romney doesn't care about you unless you are a rich guy....doesn't that concern you?

This is the person you want to put in charge?

Wouldn't you say he should keep these thoughts to himself?Your interpretation of what he said is totally false. Never mind that, so I will just ask you a SIMPLE QUESTION. Forget how much money he has given to charity and just consentrate on personal time spent helping those you so eloquently disparage him as not caring about. Tell me HOW MUCH OF YOUR PERSONAL TIME HAVE YOU SPENT HELPING THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN YOU!! Actually I usually refrain from asking such a question of anyone as that really is not the business of anyone else. I just get my blood pressure up when someone criticizes another who has obviously helped those less fortunate greatly.

Just so you understand what he said, he was talking about attempting to get those who are dependent and controlled by the gov. to vote for his. He was not talking about not caring for their welfare.

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 03:25 PM
I've seen it and know exactly what he meant and why he said it. I have worked for years with the Romney types. He thought he was amoung friends and was talking to his base. His failure is that he has put all his focus on appeasing his base which is not geniune to begin with. He wants the job and will say what he thinks it takes to get it. I think I know what he is but I'm not sure because there has never been anything consistent come out of his mouth.

He has lost....49 days will not change america's perception of him. Right or wrong...perception trumps facts everyday


if that were true , I should have already put you on ignore..

claiming that the election is over before a single ballot is cast is moronic....

menmon
09-19-2012, 03:29 PM
Your interpretation of what he said is totally false. Never mind that, so I will just ask you a SIMPLE QUESTION. Forget how much money he has given to charity and just consentrate on personal time spent helping those you so eloquently disparage him as not caring about. Tell me HOW MUCH OF YOUR PERSONAL TIME HAVE YOU SPENT HELPING THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN YOU!! Actually I usually refrain from asking such a question of anyone as that really is not the business of anyone else. I just get my blood pressure up when someone criticizes another who has obviously helped those less fortunate greatly.

Just so you understand what he said, he was talking about attempting to get those who are dependent and controlled by the gov. to vote for his. He was not talking about not caring for their welfare.

He gives to the Morman Church.

duckheads
09-19-2012, 03:37 PM
if that were true , I should have already put you on ignore..

claiming that the election is over before a single ballot is cast is moronic....


He gets his info straight from the democratic play book and/or media matters. If we keep saying that the election is over, that Romney has no chance to win then maybe we can keep some conservative's from voting and create low voter turn out. Sorry to burst your bubble but it ain't going to happen.

menmon
09-19-2012, 03:39 PM
I don't have to tell them...the folks that will decide this election are not watching anyway.

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 03:59 PM
He gives to the Morman Church.

its the Mormon Church...and its called a tithe...maybe they do that in your Christian church too

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:03 PM
its the Mormon Church...and its called a tithe...maybe they do that in your Christian church too

And the IRS calls it a charitable contribution

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 04:04 PM
He gives to the Morman Church.

Do you REALLY think(?) that is all he give to in both his wealth and time????

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:15 PM
yes...............

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 04:20 PM
yes...............

That was the reason for the ? after think. Those who don't contribute any of their wealth or time to help those less fortunate they are, assume that no one else does either. I know very little of the Morman church so neither will I defend it or slander it.

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:22 PM
I would not know...I have not seen his tax returns....he has just said charitable contribution....and I know from experience banking Mormon owned business...they don't share the wealth

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 04:34 PM
I would not know...I have not seen his tax returns....he has just said charitable contribution....and I know from experience banking Mormon owned business...they don't share the wealth

I don't know about anyone else but I always thought that one's banking info was considered personal. And by the way, even if true, it appears to me that profiling is one of your strong points.:rolleyes:

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:38 PM
I did not reveal anyone's information. I said I don't know...I have not seen his tax returns...hell maybe he is more afraid of the church since he has not given enough

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 04:41 PM
I did not reveal anyone's information. I said I don't know...I have not seen his tax returns...hell maybe he is more afraid of the church since he has not given enough

Well you got one thing right. YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!!:D

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 04:43 PM
I would not know...I have not seen his tax returns....he has just said charitable contribution....and I know from experience banking Mormon owned business...they don't share the wealth

the Mormon church is one of the most benevolent church out there...and I am not Mormon but if you spent time like I have in their communities they take care of those in their local areas regardless if yo are in their tabernacle or faith

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:43 PM
But neither do you and that is my point

menmon
09-19-2012, 04:44 PM
Yes they do and why might that be?

ARay11
09-19-2012, 04:53 PM
The couple established (http://www.boston.com/yourlife/specials/giving/articles/2005/08/28/romneys_listed_as_big_givers_to_charity/) the Ann D. and W. Mitt Romney Charitable Foundation in 1993. It lay mostly dormant until 1999, when the couple deposited more than $3.6 million worth of high-tech stocks in it and began to make significant contributions.
Now known as the Tyler Charitable Foundation, it is scheduled to release its 2010 financial reports later this month.
"Mitt and Ann Romney are very involved in the community," said campaign spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom. "Some of their activity is public through their foundation, but that is not the only vehicle for their philanthropy. Their charitable giving is not something they generally talk about, but I think it's fair to say they feel an obligation to give back."
The foundation has been the Romneys' main vehicle for giving, whether to keep the lights (http://www.v-r-a.org/docs/Homeless.htm) on with a $10,000 check to a homeless shelter for veterans that couldn't pay its electric bill or to send relief to victims of Hurricane Katrina ($10,000) and the South Asia earthquake and tsunami ($25,000).
The GOP presidential hopeful has donated $127,000 in proceeds from his 2010 campaign book, “No Apology: The Case for American Greatness." Seven charities serving children, cancer and MS patients and severely wounded veterans (http://www.homesforourtroops.org/site/PageServer) got donations ranging from $10,000 to nearly $33,000.
The businessman-turned-politician has also foregone payment for work he did as governor and as head of the Olympics.
As head of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Romney took no salary for three years while donating $1 million to the games. Later, while he was entitled to $135,000 annually as governor of Massachusetts, he drew a salary of $1 a year for serving as the state's chief executive. And while he hasn't explicitly said so this time around, Romney vowed during his last campaign for the White House that, if elected, he would donate (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/article_6b8e3440-08f6-5c40-80e8-114320a40f20.html) his $400,000 salary as president to charity.
While her husband was forgoing a paycheck, Ann Romney donated her time to a variety of causes. She has worked as a board member of New England Chapter of the MS Society to raise awareness of multiple sclerosis, the disease with which she was diagnosed in 1998, and has been a long-time supporter of the United Way of Massachusetts. She also has served as director of the Best Friends Foundation, a controversial program that promotes abstinence-only sex education for inner-city girls.
Excluding gifts to the Mormon Church and BYU, the Romney foundation typically donated a bit more than $200,000 annually to charities over the last decade. But some years the couple gave relatively little. In 2002 and 2003, they donated $75,500 and $81,200, respectively

caryalsobrook
09-19-2012, 05:11 PM
The couple established (http://www.boston.com/yourlife/specials/giving/articles/2005/08/28/romneys_listed_as_big_givers_to_charity/) the Ann D. and W. Mitt Romney Charitable Foundation in 1993. It lay mostly dormant until 1999, when the couple deposited more than $3.6 million worth of high-tech stocks in it and began to make significant contributions.
Now known as the Tyler Charitable Foundation, it is scheduled to release its 2010 financial reports later this month.
"Mitt and Ann Romney are very involved in the community," said campaign spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom. "Some of their activity is public through their foundation, but that is not the only vehicle for their philanthropy. Their charitable giving is not something they generally talk about, but I think it's fair to say they feel an obligation to give back."
The foundation has been the Romneys' main vehicle for giving, whether to keep the lights (http://www.v-r-a.org/docs/Homeless.htm) on with a $10,000 check to a homeless shelter for veterans that couldn't pay its electric bill or to send relief to victims of Hurricane Katrina ($10,000) and the South Asia earthquake and tsunami ($25,000).
The GOP presidential hopeful has donated $127,000 in proceeds from his 2010 campaign book, “No Apology: The Case for American Greatness." Seven charities serving children, cancer and MS patients and severely wounded veterans (http://www.homesforourtroops.org/site/PageServer) got donations ranging from $10,000 to nearly $33,000.
The businessman-turned-politician has also foregone payment for work he did as governor and as head of the Olympics.
As head of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Romney took no salary for three years while donating $1 million to the games. Later, while he was entitled to $135,000 annually as governor of Massachusetts, he drew a salary of $1 a year for serving as the state's chief executive. And while he hasn't explicitly said so this time around, Romney vowed during his last campaign for the White House that, if elected, he would donate (http://www.heraldextra.com/news/article_6b8e3440-08f6-5c40-80e8-114320a40f20.html) his $400,000 salary as president to charity.
While her husband was forgoing a paycheck, Ann Romney donated her time to a variety of causes. She has worked as a board member of New England Chapter of the MS Society to raise awareness of multiple sclerosis, the disease with which she was diagnosed in 1998, and has been a long-time supporter of the United Way of Massachusetts. She also has served as director of the Best Friends Foundation, a controversial program that promotes abstinence-only sex education for inner-city girls.
Excluding gifts to the Mormon Church and BYU, the Romney foundation typically donated a bit more than $200,000 annually to charities over the last decade. But some years the couple gave relatively little. In 2002 and 2003, they donated $75,500 and $81,200, respectively

Thanks for the info. I'm sure this only is the tip of the iceberg. I only wish we had more such greedy, uncaring bastards such as this family. Just think, he won't show his tax returns because they might show that he paid his taxes just like most of us, BY THE RULES. What a bastard.:-x

roseberry
09-19-2012, 05:54 PM
i don't care about that 47% of americans either........maybe i should seek my party's nomination next time!

b.s. accounting and management information
former c.p.a.
former senior executive fortune 20 company(retired)
current small business owner-general contractor, homebuilder/developer, real property investor, trainer and marketer of started dogs
made and lost fortunes in both the tech/.com and real estate bubbles, current inventories of started dogs exceed prior years sales
annual income variable-anywhere from good to not enough

BonMallari
09-19-2012, 06:54 PM
i don't care about that 47% of americans either........maybe i should seek my party's nomination next time!

b.s. accounting and management information
former c.p.a.
former senior executive fortune 20 company(retired)
current small business owner-general contractor, homebuilder/developer, real property investor, trainer and marketer of started dogs
made and lost fortunes in both the tech/.com and real estate bubbles, current inventories of started dogs exceed prior years sales
annual income variable-anywhere from good to not enough

I would vote for ya...even though you are from the SEC..at least I know you know how to make payroll and balance a P and L statement...don't know much about your dog training skills, but from what I have read, you know which end to feed and which end to kick,so you are ahead of most...as long as you don't make it a mandate that we have to pledge allegiance to some SEC univ on Saturdays in the fall, you got a shot...

JDogger
09-19-2012, 10:07 PM
Just out of curiosity, am I one that displays a lack of education?

I pointed out years ago that Obama was a Marxist, not a socialist.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Also, calling folks secular progressives is not name calling, it is fact.
The "secular progressive party" (formerly the Democrats) BOO God!!!!!!

What would you call them?

Just sayin'..........

Although Marx is popularly thought of as the originator of the phrase, the slogan was common to the socialist movement and was first used by Louis Blanc (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Louis_Blanc) in 1839, in "The organization of work". The origin of this phrasing has also been attributed to the French utopian Morelly (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Morelly), who proposed in his 1755 Code of Nature "Sacred and Fundamental Laws that would tear out the roots of vice and of all the evils of a society" including
I. Nothing in society will belong to anyone, either as a personal possession or as capital goods, except the things for which the person has immediate use, for either his needs, his pleasures, or his daily work.
II. Every citizen will be a public man, sustained by, supported by, and occupied at the public expense.
III. Every citizen will make his particular contribution to the activities of the community according to his capacity, his talent and his age; it is on this basis that his duties will be determined, in conformity with the distributive laws.

Some scholars trace the origin of the phrase to the New Testament. In the parable of the Kingdom of Heaven (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Kingdom_of_God), Jesus spoke of what we are given, according to our abilities; to test the commitment of the steward to his master. In Acts (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Acts_of_the_Apostles) the Apostles (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Twelve_Apostles)' lifestyle is described as communal (without individual possession), and uses the phrase "distribution was made unto every man according as he had need":
Matthew 25:14-30: And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to each according to his ability. And he went abroad at once.Acts 4:32: All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.Others dispute that the Bible supports this idea.[citation needed (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Got any citations? Eh? JD

These quotes came from the internet where can be found almost anything to substantiate, refute or ridicule anything one cares to post.

Ain't it great? JD

Uncle Bill
09-21-2012, 04:10 PM
It's always based individually on whose ox is being gored. Romney's comments were ill advise, NOT because it had too much truth to it, but he should have realized it would be skewed to mean what the pathetic MSP wants to make of it. Only the braindamaged Democrats on the SS rolls are calling him an out of touch cretin. The sane people in the electorate understand completely what he's saying. But it's hard to reach the sycophants with their head stuck where the sun don't shine.

UB

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Rob Port (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/author/admin/)
Sep 20, 2012



According to a new poll from Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2012/64_think_too_many_americans_dependent_on_governmen t_financial_aid), Americans strongly believe there is too much dependence on government:

Americans strongly believe that there is too much government dependency in the country today. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 64% of Adults think there are too many Americans dependent on the government for financial aid. Just 10% think not enough Americans are dependent on the government, while 16% say the level of dependency is about right.

The problem with polls like this, of course, is that people are only nominally against government dependence. Farmers who get huge amounts of government subsidies are against the expansion of welfare programs. People on welfare may be against farm subsidies. Giant “green energy” companies, whose very existence hinges on government subsidies and mandates for their products, may not like other sorts of government economic intervention.

Which is why strong majorities can be against government dependence even as there clear overlap between those who are dependent and those who oppose dependency. It is how the entitlement has divided and conquered us. All of us want to shrink government, just not our favorite slice of government.

gmhr1
09-24-2012, 09:55 AM
If we try Obamas way , even if he was to tax millionaires at 100 % it will only run the Gov for 3 months. He doesn't know what he's doing