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gmhr1
10-02-2012, 02:24 PM
http://www.jobsnhire.com/articles/2950/20120927/sears-employee-benefits-package-drops-health-insurance.htm
also red lobster/olive garden

ARay11
10-02-2012, 03:05 PM
it's progress dontcha know.

murral stark
10-02-2012, 07:17 PM
There are employers that hire all employees as part-time so they don't have to offer benefits. Cabela's is one that I know of personally. People work 50 to 60 hours, get overtime pay, but no benefits nor vacation. Been happening for years.

duckheads
10-03-2012, 10:21 AM
There are employers that hire all employees as part-time so they don't have to offer benefits. Cabela's is one that I know of personally. People work 50 to 60 hours, get overtime pay, but no benefits nor vacation. Been happening for years.


Then don't work there. Go find another job with benefits if that's what you want! You know the land of opportunity not the land of entitlements! There is no right or guarantee that you get benefits!

huntinman
10-03-2012, 10:27 AM
Then don't work there. Go find another job with benefits if that's what you want! You know the land of opportunity not the land of entitlements! There is no right or guarantee that you get benefits!

Exactly..............

ARay11
10-03-2012, 10:40 AM
There are employers that hire all employees as part-time so they don't have to offer benefits. Cabela's is one that I know of personally. People work 50 to 60 hours, get overtime pay, but no benefits nor vacation. Been happening for years.

and the healthcare that you so vigorously defend costs employers so much they are kicking people out of their benefits plan (Sears DID provide healthcare insurance yet now will NOT provide it)..... soon, large employers, will be scheduling all workers as part time employees in order to circumvent the healthcare system. It is a crazy world we live in when a corporation would rather pay a fine, and pay their employees cash, than pay for healthcare insurance.

murral stark
10-03-2012, 07:50 PM
Then don't work there. Go find another job with benefits if that's what you want! You know the land of opportunity not the land of entitlements! There is no right or guarantee that you get benefits!

I don't work there, but I have friends that do, so that is where I get my information.

BonMallari
10-03-2012, 08:26 PM
There are employers that hire all employees as part-time so they don't have to offer benefits. Cabela's is one that I know of personally. People work 50 to 60 hours, get overtime pay, but no benefits nor vacation. Been happening for years.


The reason they do that, like the casinos do here is because once you make them full time, you are forced to give them hours to keep their full time status, even if the business doesnt warrant it...Cabelas is seasonal, makes no sense to keep their staff at full time status during the doldrums of summer....it cost employers more money to put employees on insurance plans one month, have them drop off after a couple of months, then reinstate them again

I see this all the time where I work...people start believing that they are "guaranteed" 40 hour work weeks and they will milk the clock to get "their hours" even though we are clearly on 32 hour work weeks..so in essence they are stealing hours from the employer..We have many on staff that know how to time their work and will slow down and go through the motions but lo and behold they sure know when the shift is up and its time to go home

murral stark
10-03-2012, 08:35 PM
The reason they do that, like the casinos do here is because once you make them full time, you are forced to give them hours to keep their full time status, even if the business doesnt warrant it...Cabelas is seasonal, makes no sense to keep their staff at full time status during the doldrums of summer....it cost employers more money to put employees on insurance plans one month, have them drop off after a couple of months, then reinstate them again

I see this all the time where I work...people start believing that they are "guaranteed" 40 hour work weeks and they will milk the clock to get "their hours" even though we are clearly on 32 hour work weeks..so in essence they are stealing hours from the employer..We have many on staff that know how to time their work and will slow down and go through the motions but lo and behold they sure know when the shift is up and its time to go home
The benefits you talk about makes a good point as to why it is done that way. Don't you have productivity standards that have to be met where you work? If the boss lets them milk the clock, shame on him.

huntinman
10-03-2012, 09:02 PM
The benefits you talk about makes a good point as to why it is done that way. Don't you have productivity standards that have to be met where you work? If the boss lets them milk the clock, shame on him.

Do you have to argue every little point, no matter how minute? It must be a thing about wanting to get the last word in...

BonMallari
10-03-2012, 09:06 PM
The benefits you talk about makes a good point as to why it is done that way. Don't you have productivity standards that have to be met where you work? If the boss lets them milk the clock, shame on him.

I work in a union house...productivity means nothing..seniority means everything,some of the laziest workers we have are those that have 15+ years on the job, because it would take a smoking gun and video tape to be terminated from the job...written warnings mean very little because they file grievances that they arent being allowed to finish their jobs..honest ...

We even tried to go to 4 day work weeks so everyone could stay employed but a handful of people refused..those of us who were on the extra board had to wait until the person above us had a full five shifts before we got one shift...so if there were 15 shifts available in a given week, the top 3 would get five each instead five of us getting three shifts each...

murral stark
10-03-2012, 09:56 PM
I work in a union house...productivity means nothing..seniority means everything,some of the laziest workers we have are those that have 15+ years on the job, because it would take a smoking gun and video tape to be terminated from the job...written warnings mean very little because they file grievances that they arent being allowed to finish their jobs..honest ...

We even tried to go to 4 day work weeks so everyone could stay employed but a handful of people refused..those of us who were on the extra board had to wait until the person above us had a full five shifts before we got one shift...so if there were 15 shifts available in a given week, the top 3 would get five each instead five of us getting three shifts each...

Man that stinks. Our plant is a union shop too. we have production standards that have to be met or the discipline is handed out and gets progressively more severe. It does take a while, to get rid of the dead weight, but it does happen.
We just implemented a no-fault attendance policy and that is going to cull the herd too. Very few excusable reasons for being absent. It used to be that as long as you had a doctor's note, it was excused absence. Too many people playing games led to this new policy. although, any attendance policy is only as good as the enforcement.