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youngblood
10-08-2012, 12:56 PM
Well, I may be the only person who can address this "college kid" thing being as I am one of the only people on here that is a full time student (Northwest Missouri State (Go Cats!)): A huge problem my generation has is the parenting sucked. I am not going to sit here and type away angrily at my parents (mostly because my parents did a fantastic job of raising me) but I think that it is important to point out that parenting has gone downhill. The majority of people I know have two sets of parents. That is two different couples of influence, daddy issues, mommy issues..... Plain and simple the victim of divorce is not the marraige but the kids. I am fortunate because my family is close knit and my parents have gotten through hard times and still go to bed together at night. Kids whose parents split are shown how to give up, like many Americans are doing today.

All that said, the biggest issue for college kids today? Simple. OBAMA WANTS TO KEEP PELL GRANTS. A few of my conservative friends are even saying they want to vote for Obama because he is going to help them now (but then go ahead and saw when they are older they will vote conservative because it will help them then).

Older folks may think that college students brain are mush mush but in truth in reality it is discouraged to not be swayed or be politically correct in all facets of life now. It is so frustrating to sit in a class where there is so much bias being thrown at students while the same professor sits on a high horse of tolerance and correctness. If a student disagrees with the professor, the student failed. This bias is obvious in the class i am in right now. The more liberal friend that I studied with got 15% better than I, and this class is the first he has ever beaten me. If my brain does not mush into the mold that has become what is politically correct I will be caste out of academia.

All of this and all I want to be is a high school Social Studies Teacher :cool:

Gerry, I agree with some of what you said about voting; it is ridiculous to think that an 18yo could make the wise choice in politics and a mistake with alchohol. Our country needs to completely overhaul the way in which we regulate alchohol consumption. The way I figure it, the best way to avoid binge drinking is to normalize drinking! I see it every weekend here in Maryville (one of the largest DII party schools and I am also a Resident Assistant), freshman going out, getting messed up and end up in the hospital because it is the first time they have ever drank hard.

If we dropped the drinking age to 19 and raised the penalty for drunk driving, I think that we as a nation would be skirting a large issue that has plagued the youth for a generation . IT SHOULD NOT BE 18. Too many kids would be drinking in high school too easily; if underage drinking is going to happen, at least make it hard to get it.
Make the penalty for drunk driving hard enough to stop it. First offense? Automatic 30 days in jail and hefty fine? Maybe more harsh? I do not understand why our nation holds underage drinking in a worse light than drunk driving.

Another thing I do not think has been addressed here: Marijuana. I personnaly do not smoke but I know many people who do and are passionate about it.They actually function well in society as well (surprise surprise?). Honestly, I see it as a potential gateway drug (my aunt is a 55yo methead who got started on marijuana) but also as something that is going to happen regardless of the 5 0. If it were legalized, petty crimes that destroy many kids' lives would be erased. Instead of jail, users could go to rehab. The tax burden that our nation has from jails would be lessened and the taxes gained from the sales would be incredible. It definately would not hurt.

What do you all think? Franco, I know RP held some interesting views about some of this stuff.....

luvmylabs23139
10-08-2012, 01:30 PM
Interesting to see a young person post and state many of the same thoughts I had back in college in the early 80's. I went thru college in CT with an ever rising drinking age from 18 to 21 and was always legal and on top of that was brought up in a European household. I saw many people go nuts because suddenly they were legal while having a beer or a glass of wine was no big deal to me since it was never taboo. I was born in Scotland and while drinking was ok at 18 without your parents everyone knows not to dirve drunk or you are royally screwed. Even with 18 as the age back then I never got in trouble in high school simply because it was ok to ask Dad if a could have a beer and be told yes rather than it be some grand off limits thing.
I also agree with you about PELL GRANTS. They should be eliminated because a person should work for their education not be handed it on the taxpayers dime. A situation I know about. 2 people had college age kids attending the same school. One had a child that they told could live at home for free as long as they went to school and worked to help pay for school and their living expenses. The other, well their brat with lousy grades got a darn taxpayer funded pell grant to go to the same school. The one without the pell grant graduated early while the other screwed up so bad on our dime they transfered to an easy school,( I won't say what I want to) while being arrested several times.

john fallon
10-08-2012, 04:29 PM
If we dropped the drinking age to 19 and raised the penalty for drunk driving, I think that we as a nation would be skirting a large issue that has plagued the youth for a generation . IT SHOULD NOT BE 18. Too many kids would be drinking in high school too easily; if underage drinking is going to happen, at least make it hard to get it.

In my estimation when you are old enough to lay down your life for your country in combat in the military, you should be able to legally drink alcohol if you chose to do so.


john

Down East Labs 217
10-08-2012, 08:11 PM
In my estimation when you are old enough to lay down your life for your country in combat in the military, you should be able to legally drink alcohol if you chose to do so.


john

Best quote of the day. I felt this way from the time I was 18 and joined the Marine Corps. I could go oversea's when I was 19, and when I came home I could not have a cold beer in my home state of Pennsylvania. I had to go over the state lines to New York to buy and drink a cold beer.

Richard

Socks
10-08-2012, 08:22 PM
As for the Pell Grants. BITE ME!!!!

Someone who was so poor that at one time he couldn't afford milk for his oatmeal that he had to eat for dinner. If you tell me to suck it up, you first Buddy.

Socks
10-08-2012, 08:23 PM
In my estimation when you are old enough to lay down your life for your country in combat in the military, you should be able to legally drink alcohol if you chose to do so.


john

X2.........

Socks
10-08-2012, 08:28 PM
Interesting to see a young person post and state many of the same thoughts I had back in college in the early 80's. I went thru college in CT with an ever rising drinking age from 18 to 21 and was always legal and on top of that was brought up in a European household. I saw many people go nuts because suddenly they were legal while having a beer or a glass of wine was no big deal to me since it was never taboo. I was born in Scotland and while drinking was ok at 18 without your parents everyone knows not to dirve drunk or you are royally screwed. Even with 18 as the age back then I never got in trouble in high school simply because it was ok to ask Dad if a could have a beer and be told yes rather than it be some grand off limits thing.
I also agree with you about PELL GRANTS. They should be eliminated because a person should work for their education not be handed it on the taxpayers dime. A situation I know about. 2 people had college age kids attending the same school. One had a child that they told could live at home for free as long as they went to school and worked to help pay for school and their living expenses. The other, well their brat with lousy grades got a darn taxpayer funded pell grant to go to the same school. The one without the pell grant graduated early while the other screwed up so bad on our dime they transfered to an easy school,( I won't say what I want to) while being arrested several times.

Nice to have that big blanket to throw around for your statement huh? How about the people that do work, that do struggle, and have make it on their own? Oh that's right, they're just the chaff that fall by the wayside towards a better future. Jeez. And no I'm not the only one. I know lots of people like me. Heck my wife was like me, my best friend was like me. Most of the people in college that spouted off crap like this were the ones that Mommy and Daddy supported. Oh, and I would have loved to have more help than what I did, but I took what little help I could get and paid every penny back. Taxes huh? I've been working since I was 16 and I started out in some crap kitchen jobs so yeah I've paid my friggin dues/taxes.

huntinman
10-08-2012, 08:32 PM
Nice to have that big blanket to throw around for your statement huh? How about the people that do work, that do struggle, and have make it on their own? Oh that's right, they're just the chaff that fall by the wayside towards a better future. Jeez. And no I'm not the only one. I know lots of people like me. Heck my wife was like me, my best friend was like me. Most of the people in college that spouted off crap like this were the ones that Mommy and Daddy supported. Oh, and I would have loved to have more help than what I did, but I took what little help I could get and paid every penny back. Taxes huh? I've been working since I was 16 and I started out in some crap kitchen jobs so yeah I've paid my friggin dues/taxes.

So what's your point?

Marvin S
10-08-2012, 10:48 PM
Well, I may be the only person who can address this "college kid" thing being as I am one of the only people on here that is a full time student (Northwest Missouri State (Go Cats!)):

You are not unique on this forum, just younger & less experienced :)


A huge problem my generation has is the parenting sucked. I am not going to sit here and type away angrily at my parents (mostly because my parents did a fantastic job of raising me) but I think that it is important to point out that parenting has gone downhill.

Don't blame it on the parents, folks from my generation had none also, but we managed to put it together, I can tell you that one from personal experience :o


The majority of people I know have two sets of parents. That is two different couples of influence, daddy issues, mommy issues..... Plain and simple the victim of divorce is not the marraige but the kids. I am fortunate because my family is close knit and my parents have gotten through hard times and still go to bed together at night. Kids whose parents split are shown how to give up, like many Americans are doing today.

It's the culture of permissiveness that breeds the quitters.


All of this and all I want to be is a high school Social Studies Teacher :cool:

Hopefully you are at the least a dumb jock because those slots are reserved for them


Gerry, I agree with some of what you said about voting; it is ridiculous to think that an 18yo could make the wise choice in politics and a mistake with alchohol. Our country needs to completely overhaul the way in which we regulate alchohol consumption.

Apparently you have been properly brainwashed - as someone who drank when I was first 9 YO under supervision of my GP, the government needs to get out of the way & let the parents handle it.


The way I figure it, the best way to avoid binge drinking is to normalize drinking! I see it every weekend here in Maryville (one of the largest DII party schools and I am also a Resident Assistant), freshman going out, getting messed up and end up in the hospital because it is the first time they have ever drank hard.

If we dropped the drinking age to 19 and raised the penalty for drunk driving,

If I'm driving impaired as I probably did many times & nothing happens why should I be penalized?


I think that we as a nation would be skirting a large issue that has plagued the youth for a generation . IT SHOULD NOT BE 18. Too many kids would be drinking in high school too easily; if underage drinking is going to happen, at least make it hard to get it. Make the penalty for drunk driving hard enough to stop it.

See above, if I walk down the street with a concealed weapon should I be subject to search & seizure while having committed no crime. Driving impaired is not the commission of a crime.


First offense? Automatic 30 days in jail and hefty fine? Maybe more harsh? I do not understand why our nation holds underage drinking in a worse light than drunk driving.

Another thing I do not think has been addressed here: Marijuana. I personnaly do not smoke but I know many people who do and are passionate about it.They actually function well in society as well (surprise surprise?). Honestly, I see it as a potential gateway drug (my aunt is a 55yo methead who got started on marijuana) but also as something that is going to happen regardless of the 5 0. If it were legalized, petty crimes that destroy many kids' lives would be erased. Instead of jail, users could go to rehab. The tax burden that our nation has from jails would be lessened and the taxes gained from the sales would be incredible. It definately would not hurt.

I worked for a very large company, they were very strict about drugs Including marijuana - if it was not a problem why would they do that?

youngblood
10-09-2012, 01:05 AM
Hopefully you are at the least a dumb jock because those slots are reserved for them

Those who can't do, teach right? Actually no... I chose this PROFESSION (because it takes a degree... at my college the education majors must be head and shoulders above all other majors, even those amazingly hard business majors every Tom, Dick and Harry seem to be pushing themselves towards) because I see a progressive wussiness worsening in America today. I saw a few teachers who were passionate about your kids and made a difference. I also saw lazy POSs who did not care at all (like so many in other professions). I think that an individual can help make a difference in a student.... then a school... and ultimately a community.

Apparently you have been properly brainwashed - as someone who drank when I was first 9 YO under supervision of my GP, the government needs to get out of the way & let the parents handle it.

I totally agree and beginning to roll back the allowable age of drinking is a start... hence why I said we need a major overhaul

If I'm driving impaired as I probably did many times & nothing happens why should I be penalized?

Driving drunk is a crime... So yes, you should be penalized. Our countries constitution says that your rights should be protected as long it does not infringe on the rights of others. Putting others (who are using a public road to go home to thier families) in danger by driving impaired should be more penalized and the drinking age lowered.

Driving impaired is not the commission of a crime.

See above

marijuana - if it was not a problem why would they do that?

They would do that because it is illegal, same as if you were driving drunk in a company car.... and same as if I get a DUI when I am a teacher (which typically results in a loss of job, regardless if I am on or off the "clock". Honestly I do not understand why teachers are given such a terrible rap. They put up your kids all day for a salary that is below the hourly wage minimum.)

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 09:07 AM
Nice to have that big blanket to throw around for your statement huh? How about the people that do work, that do struggle, and have make it on their own? Oh that's right, they're just the chaff that fall by the wayside towards a better future. Jeez. And no I'm not the only one. I know lots of people like me. Heck my wife was like me, my best friend was like me. Most of the people in college that spouted off crap like this were the ones that Mommy and Daddy supported. Oh, and I would have loved to have more help than what I did, but I took what little help I could get and paid every penny back. Taxes huh? I've been working since I was 16 and I started out in some crap kitchen jobs so yeah I've paid my friggin dues/taxes.

Both my husband and I worked our way thru college. Nobody gave us free money whether the gov't or our parents. We both did it without taking out loans or getting handouts. However I will admit that we both went for degrees that as we progressed thru them we were able to get better jobs that eventually offered us tuition reimbursment if we pulled down A's and it was in our related field of work. We had to stay at those companies for a certain amount of time after each reimbursment in order to not have to pay it back to the company. If you think that is having a big security blanket I don't get it.
Nobody should be handed a free ride on the taxpayers dime! By the way I do not consider things like the GI bill a free ride. That person worked for their education by serving our country.
I don;t even have a problem with student loans as long as they are at a free market interest rate and must be paid back in full no matter what, no BUMFACE exemptions for getting a gooberment job.

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 09:15 AM
Hopefully you are at the least a dumb jock because those slots are reserved for them

Those who can't do, teach right? Actually no... I chose this PROFESSION (because it takes a degree... at my college the education majors must be head and shoulders above all other majors, even those amazingly hard business majors every Tom, Dick and Harry seem to be pushing themselves towards) because I see a progressive wussiness worsening in America today. I saw a few teachers who were passionate about your kids and made a difference. I also saw lazy POSs who did not care at all (like so many in other professions). I think that an individual can help make a difference in a student.... then a school... and ultimately a community.

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Well that may be what it takes to get a teaching degree where you go to school but that does not mean that that is what is required to be a teacher in some of the largest cities in the country.
I know a high school teacher in NYC that got their job with a ba in psychology and they teach high school.

Marvin S
10-09-2012, 10:08 AM
They put up your kids all day for a salary that is below the hourly wage minimum.)

That's pure BS! There's a reason every teaching vacancy has multiple applications.

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 10:34 AM
They put up your kids all day for a salary that is below the hourly wage minimum.)

First they do not put up with my kids as I have none and just get forced to pay for what someone else bred and refuses or expects the actual taxpayer to pay for so that is pile of dog crap to me. They bred it they pay end of darn story. Second, a teacher in NYC gets a starting salary well above min wage with next to no q's.
I have no clue how at least one teacher I know ever got hired based on their history and I know that history well as the person is a family member.

Buzz
10-09-2012, 10:41 AM
That's pure BS! There's a reason every teaching vacancy has multiple applications.

I've been trying to stay out of these discussions. But I couldn't help notice the following in youngblood's post above:


at my college the education majors must be head and shoulders above all other majors, even those amazingly hard business majors every Tom, Dick and Harry seem to be pushing themselves towards) because I see a progressive wussiness worsening in America today.


Now I don't know what to think about that. Amazingly hard business major? A almost deposited my coffee on the computer monitor when I read that. When I was in school, the "wussies" that couldn't hack engineering went into business majors and thrived there. The calculus series they took was like calculus for idiots, and that isn't a guess - I helped a couple of friends through it.

But I will say that I have a lot of respect for many of my daughter's teachers that I have interacted with, specifically her math, science, and english teachers. They are doing a great job with her.

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 11:03 AM
I've been trying to stay out of these discussions. But I couldn't help notice the following in youngblood's post above:




Now I don't know what to think about that. Amazingly hard business major? A almost deposited my coffee on the computer monitor when I read that. When I was in school, the "wussies" that couldn't hack engineering went into business majors and thrived there. The calculus series they took was like calculus for idiots, and that isn't a guess - I helped a couple of friends through it.

But I will say that I have a lot of respect for many of my daughter's teachers that I have interacted with, specifically her math, science, and english teachers. They are doing a great job with her.

Some people didn't ditch engineering back then, early 80's right? because of Calc. Some people of a certain sex had 1 and 2 (the hard version) done in high school with AP exams. Some people just got sick of being told they did not belong there based on sex and long blond hair and rather than fight that non stop decided that a double major in math and accounting was a better path.

Jason Glavich
10-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Driving impaired is not the commission of a crime.

That is complete bul*^^) and you know it. It is nowhere near the same as anything to do with a concealed weapon. Talk to any family with someone killed or injured by an "impaired" driver.


They put up your kids all day for a salary that is below the hourly wage minimum.)

Then choose a different career. If you want to be rich teaching is probably not the right direction. That business degree that you made fun of might be the right direction, or maybe even engineering.


If a student disagrees with the professor, the student failed. This bias is obvious in the class i am in right now. The more liberal friend that I studied with got 15% better than I, and this class is the first he has ever beaten me. If my brain does not mush into the mold that has become what is politically correct I will be caste out of academia.

I write papers that the teachers want to read, I do not change my opinions. I merely cater to their needs to make them feel like they have changed someone to their thinking. I get good grades because I am smart enough to know how to BS a paper.

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 11:12 AM
I write papers that the teachers want to read, I do not change my opinions. I merely cater to their needs to make them feel like they have changed someone to their thinking. I get good grades because I am smart enough to know how to BS a paper.

It is so sad that you are forced to cave to their bs. Of course I bet you get better grades than I did when i told a teacher when they announced their grade curve the first week that it was a pile of crap.
Said slimeball anounced the first week that an A would be an A- while an F could get a C for credit/ I told her flat out that was crap in front of the class and I was the bad guy.

youngblood
10-09-2012, 11:51 AM
That's pure BS! There's a reason every teaching vacancy has multiple applications.

Where I am from it is very difficult to get a job as a new teacher or as a teacher period because of a surplus of teachers available. Older and senior teachers get preference (unless the district is does not have the funds to pay for more experience), which makes it hard for a new teacher with a fresh approach to education enter into the profession. Hence the abundance of applicants.

The calculus series they took was like calculus for idiots, and that isn't a guess
I thought my sarcasm was clear but I guess not. I am in now way trying to put down business majors and I fully recognise the importance of this major, I just think that way to many kids are getting this degree to work a job that twenty years ago you could get working the way up the ladder.
The snide remark I directed towards business degrees comes from my experience with business majors at my school. Whenever we compare class loads and standards (gpa standards, grade percentage requirements (in education a C is a 82.9%, others it is 79.9%) it is clear that the education college generally have higher standards. This is probably different at different colleges, but I am going off my experience.

The comments about wage are more accurate than many may think, but I did exagerate. Beginning salaries for teachers is 35,000, eventually moving up to 45,000 after continued education and experience. Starting out teaching is definately more time intensive than after teaching for a few years. Depending on how many different classes taught, prep time may take considerable time out of class actually teaching. Add in grading (not just simple multiple choice, but essays as well), teaching is very time intensive and does not have a huge payoff monetarily. Also, the fantasy that teachers get the whole summer off simply is not true. Prep for the next year, conferences, school meetings, and continuing education take up time in the summer, usually unpaid. The majority of teachers I know get part time jobs to try and supplement thier income.

If the goal of my life was to make money, I would get into the family business of construction. I have chosen my career path because of my ideals and the potential positive impact on students many teachers wasted at my high school. A few teachers were your typical post high school jock wannabe, but there was also a few who worked very hard and made a definate difference in students' lives. I am probably completely naive, but part of life is learning what is reality and what is not.

gmhr1
10-09-2012, 12:00 PM
My daughter is a teacher she didnt choose it to make money . She teaches in one of the highest piad distrcits makes 42K a year and the pay has been frozen for 5 years now. She works all day has meetings after school, after school progarms she doesnt get overtime. Its a hard job and Thank God for Teachers!

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 12:17 PM
That's pure BS! There's a reason every teaching vacancy has multiple applications.

Where I am from it is very difficult to get a job as a new teacher or as a teacher period because of a surplus of teachers available. Older and senior teachers get preference (unless the district is does not have the funds to pay for more experience), which makes it hard for a new teacher with a fresh approach to education enter into the profession. Hence the abundance of applicants.

The calculus series they took was like calculus for idiots, and that isn't a guess
I thought my sarcasm was clear but I guess not. I am in now way trying to put down business majors and I fully recognise the importance of this major, I just think that way to many kids are getting this degree to work a job that twenty years ago you could get working the way up the ladder.
The snide remark I directed towards business degrees comes from my experience with business majors at my school. Whenever we compare class loads and standards (gpa standards, grade percentage requirements (in education a C is a 82.9%, others it is 79.9%) it is clear that the education college generally have higher standards. This is probably different at different colleges, but I am going off my experience.

The comments about wage are more accurate than many may think, but I did exagerate. Beginning salaries for teachers is 35,000, eventually moving up to 45,000 after continued education and experience. Starting out teaching is definately more time intensive than after teaching for a few years. Depending on how many different classes taught, prep time may take considerable time out of class actually teaching. Add in grading (not just simple multiple choice, but essays as well), teaching is very time intensive and does not have a huge payoff monetarily. Also, the fantasy that teachers get the whole summer off simply is not true. Prep for the next year, conferences, school meetings, and continuing education take up time in the summer, usually unpaid. The majority of teachers I know get part time jobs to try and supplement thier income.

If the goal of my life was to make money, I would get into the family business of construction. I have chosen my career path because of my ideals and the potential positive impact on students many teachers wasted at my high school. A few teachers were your typical post high school jock wannabe, but there was also a few who worked very hard and made a definate difference in students' lives. I am probably completely naive, but part of life is learning what is reality and what is not.

OK so in NYC any idiot with any degree gets great perks to come teach there or at least that was the case 10 years ago. Many of us have been thru clueless teachers that should have been fired but tenoir trumps all. It was sad when I got thru an honors math class by tuning out said idiot and bringing my book and homework home for my dad to spend 5 minutes after dinner doing the teachers job.And how bad is this for a senior calc class, said idiot, who was not the teacher we all busted our asses to get from grade 8 ( our luck after 5 years he gets a job teaching college math) goes to summer school to take the class he is about to teach. It was so bad that we had a foreign echange student that helped us all thru the class and corrected said idiot daily in class.

menmon
10-09-2012, 12:19 PM
Lot discussed here.

Drinking age - 18 yrs old still not using good judgement probably best not to drink

18 and fighting in a war - should be allowed to drink - would be a shame to have died in war and never enjoyed a cold Coors Lite

Peel grants - more...more...more - if someone is motivated to go to school lets not discourage by the cost of school

Liberal when young/conservative when old - helping young folks become productive is good for everyone - not wanting to pay taxes when older is selfish, because someone before you paid to make your life easier...selfish selfish

Pot smoking - my fear of legalizing it is what it would do to traffic because no one would be in a hurry anymore

huntinman
10-09-2012, 12:24 PM
Lot discussed here.

Drinking age - 18 yrs old still not using good judgement probably best not to drink

18 and fighting in a war - should be allowed to drink - would be a shame to have died in war and never enjoyed a cold Coors Lite

Peel grants - more...more...more - if someone is motivated to go to school lets not discourage by the cost of school

Liberal when young/conservative when old - helping young folks become productive is good for everyone - not wanting to pay taxes when older is selfish, because someone before you paid to make your life easier...selfish selfish

Pot smoking - my fear of legalizing it is what it would do to traffic because no one would be in a hurry anymore


Are you smoking pot right now?

Jason Glavich
10-09-2012, 12:43 PM
It is so sad that you are forced to cave to their bs. Of course I bet you get better grades than I did when i told a teacher when they announced their grade curve the first week that it was a pile of crap.
Said slimeball anounced the first week that an A would be an A- while an F could get a C for credit/ I told her flat out that was crap in front of the class and I was the bad guy.

It is sad to cave. I find no reason to argue with an idiot. I was told they will drag you to their level and beat you with experiance.

This only holds true in the liberal arts classes I am forced to take for my science degree. Never had an issue with anyone in those classes.

Same professor claims I did not follow her format and gave me a C. When I told her she was wrong she agreed and made it an A. Oddly at the same time my midterm grade was lowered.

luvmylabs23139
10-09-2012, 12:43 PM
Drinking age - 18 yrs old still not using good judgement probably best not to drink
NOt smart enough to drink then far to stupid to vote!!

18 and fighting in a war - should be allowed to drink - would be a shame to have died in war and never enjoyed a cold Coors Lite

Peel grants - more...more...more - if someone is motivated to go to school lets not discourage by the cost of school
If a person is motivated they will be willing to pay for it. A pell grant is a free handout and requires no motivation but rather a gimme attitude. They need to work and pay for something not party on my dime!!!

Liberal when young/conservative when old - helping young folks become productive is good for everyone - not wanting to pay taxes when older is selfish, because someone before you paid to make your life easier...selfish selfish
I worked my ass off since the age of 15 nobody paid my way! I paid taxes back then remember I'm old enough to remember that nobody got a check from taxpayers.
I don't bust my butt to have BUMFACE take what I worked for and give it to someone else. I have yet to see any " middle class" tax break be a tax break for me. Republican or democrat I've been screwed by both sides simply by being responsible.
I can list a long line of bs middle class cuts on both sides.
Dual income no kids end of story/
A few:
child credit
child care credit
PMI
student loan interest
cash for clunkers
$8000 free cash to buy a house


Pot smoking - my fear of legalizing it is what it would do to traffic because no one would be in a hurry anymore
Really????