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road kill
10-26-2012, 09:40 AM
I am curious, are there any POTUS posters or RTF posters for the matter that are still undecided?

If so, what could/would sway your vote?

M&K's Retrievers
10-26-2012, 10:06 AM
I don't know. Maybe a free cell phone or a road or a bridge. Gimme me a couple of teachers. How about my own fireman or a cop. Oh and a couple of those naked lady tees.

Sue Kiefer
10-26-2012, 10:16 AM
The truth NOT what they think that I want to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sue

road kill
10-26-2012, 10:22 AM
The truth NOT what they think that I want to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sue
Sue, it may be hard to answer the way things go around here, but I am curious.

Are you still undecided?
What are the most important issues to you?

I am not going to try to change your ideas, My advice is to follow your heart.
We have all traveled different roads to get to where we are.

Some of us forget that.:cool:

Sue Kiefer
10-26-2012, 10:27 AM
My thoughts ?
I will never make them public on this forum for oblivious reasons. :)
Sue

gmhr1
10-26-2012, 11:35 AM
If you go to www.gretawire.com (http://www.gretawire.com) you can watch the new Obama ad comparing voting to your "first time" may help you make a decision

windycanyon
10-26-2012, 11:44 AM
I found this on FB yesterday. I would THINK it'd make the undecided "think again" but then I have friends who have dug in their heels for their own personal salvations apparently. Teachers/gay-lesbians etc don't seem to want to hear about the economy, foreign issues, etc.
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/20206-must-watch-video

Anne

BonMallari
10-26-2012, 12:00 PM
I actually got into a discussion about this with my gal pal...seem she is undecided..we NEVER discuss politics , till now, but as I tried to tell her without trying to influence her decision...I cant make the decision for her..I wont let how she votes affect our personal lives..my only parting shot was that since she got me to start attending church, she needed to look at which candidate better personifies her beliefs as a woman, mother,and a Christian

I made the decision awhile back that I wouldnt try and talk anyone into voting one way or another, but instead just encourage them to vote

gmhr1
10-26-2012, 12:12 PM
The only health care choice for women that obama offers is it will be easy to get an abortion and I guess some, not all birth control pills will be free (according to blue cross) We all have to go through our health insurance companies for any procedure we have done we don't get to just call the Dr and say I want a mammogram. They have guidelines as to what you can have done and when you can have it, under obamacare will be worse than it is now. He says women will have control over their body, not true as long as you have health insurance they hold all the cards.

road kill
10-26-2012, 12:12 PM
my thoughts ?
I will never make them public on this forum for oblivious reasons. :)
sue
hahahahaha!!!!!
I understand.............

Uncle Bill
10-26-2012, 12:20 PM
I'm as conflicted as Rush. Please give me the reasons to change. We need help, and food stamps.


UB

Daniel J Simoens
10-26-2012, 12:29 PM
one more giant postcard, half in English half in Spanish, might sway my vote one way or another.

MooseGooser
10-26-2012, 01:21 PM
I dont understand when it comes to this election, how there could be an "undecided" voter.

The differences between the two parties are polar.

The president isnt KING..

Make a list of the things that are important to you. Your beliefs, social and fiscal.

then in my OPINION,, you have to come to the political realization we have a 2 party system. Prolly neither party will fullfill all your beliefs,, but I would think one of them does. Which one is it?

Just vote.

I think Local elections and the vote for your state representatives are really more important that the presidential election.

The president isnt KING. Which of the 2 parties platforms speak for you?? You have 2 choices. They are very polar.. Why the indecision??

I dont understand...


Gooser


Gooser

road kill
10-26-2012, 01:23 PM
I dont understand when it comes to this election, how there could be an "undecided" voter.

The differences between the two parties are polar.

The president isnt KING..

Make a list of the things that are important to you. Your beliefs, social and fiscal.

then in my OPINION,, you have to come to the political realization we have a 2 party system. Prolly neither party will fullfill all your beliefs,, but I would think one of them does. Which one is it?

Just vote.

I think Local elections and the vote for your state representatives are really more important that the presidential election.

The president isnt KING. Which of the 2 parties platforms speak for you?? You have 2 choices. They are very polar.. Why the indecision??

I dont understand...


Gooser


Gooser
My question was legitimate.
Most of the answers, not so much.

It's the risk one runs when posting here.

ARay11
10-26-2012, 01:29 PM
I do not know anyone who is currently undecided as to "who" to vote for... I do know 3 people who claim they will not vote for president, only for the local politicians.

Daniel J Simoens
10-26-2012, 01:32 PM
I'd be willing to bet the majority of people who say they are undecided only say they are to try to participate in polls in order to swing it one way or the other. I don't trust anybody these days, especially ones that try to label themselves.

Buzz
10-26-2012, 01:39 PM
The only thing I will have trouble deciding is how to protect myself financially from the catastrophe that anything resembling Romney/Ryan's economic ideas would cause this country.

Listening to Romney the last couple weeks, you would never know that he is the "extreme conservative" he fancied himself in the primary. What a LSOS.

MooseGooser
10-26-2012, 02:01 PM
The only thing I will have trouble deciding is how to protect myself financially from the catastrophe that anything resembling Romney/Ryan's economic ideas would cause this country.

Listening to Romney the last couple weeks, you would never know that he is the "extreme conservative" he fancied himself in the primary. What a LSOS.


If you look at Buzz's comments.. I do respect his right to voice them.. But,, This is what I dont understand about the effort people spend on Potus boards voicing their opinions. I jst dont get it..

I will never change Buzz's convictions. Nor will Buzz ever change mine..
Our differences are great..

Our Bantor back and forth is meaningless. Its a TOTAL wast of time..

Most people who come to Potus boards are very convinced in their beliefs. I dont understand trying to convince someone to accept Mine..
Its their soul!!! Its waht makes them as a person...

To the guy walking the fence,,,, Sooner or later ,, you have to decode who you are ,, and start living it...

I dont think it intellect to see you standing or pacing,,, wringing your hands,,, trying to decide what you believ in..

I really have no time for those that say they "Dont Vote"

I work with a guy who has the attitude that "It doesnt make a difference Who you vote for,,, We are all just circling the drain anyway"

This is not the year for Appathy.
JMHDAO.

Gooser

BonMallari
10-26-2012, 02:08 PM
The only thing I will have trouble deciding is how to protect myself financially from the catastrophe that anything resembling Romney/Ryan's economic ideas would cause this country.

Listening to Romney the last couple weeks, you would never know that he is the "extreme conservative" he fancied himself in the primary. What a LSOS.


Buzz : there was a time that I honestly thought you were yanking everyones chain with your contrarian views, but you have finally convinced me that you are so anti R, that if Hillary were to suddenly bolt and run as an a Republican , you would not only disown her but treat her with the same disdain you do for all things R....what ever deep seated hatred you have for the R party is your business, I will therefore limit my discussions with you to dog training since your hatred makes it difficult if not impossible to have any dialogue at all when it comes to politics

road kill
10-26-2012, 02:16 PM
The only thing I will have trouble deciding is how to protect myself financially from the catastrophe that anything resembling Romney/Ryan's economic ideas would cause this country.

Listening to Romney the last couple weeks, you would never know that he is the "extreme conservative" he fancied himself in the primary. What a LSOS.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff1/tatts_n_cats/DD%20thru%20JJ/Emoticons/AnimatedRollingEyesSmiley.gif

Buzz
10-26-2012, 02:35 PM
Buzz : there was a time that I honestly thought you were yanking everyones chain with your contrarian views, but you have finally convinced me that you are so anti R, that if Hillary were to suddenly bolt and run as an a Republican , you would not only disown her but treat her with the same disdain you do for all things R....what ever deep seated hatred you have for the R party is your business, I will therefore limit my discussions with you to dog training since your hatred makes it difficult if not impossible to have any dialogue at all when it comes to politics


I have many conservative views.

I am against abortion.
I am against gun control.
I am against running huge deficits when the economy is strong.
I think that programs that profess to help the poor need to be completely re-tooled, but I believe that government has a role to play.
I think that there are many regulations that are misguided and counter productive.
I hate crony capitalism, and it really burns my butt to see competitors make use of government funding to compete with me when we do everything on our own dime.

But I am a firm believer in social security and medicare. I see payroll taxes as the government forcing folks to take responsibility for funding themselves in old age to a minimum extent so they are not a burden on the rest of us. It is a burden on them that conservatives don't seem to want to give them credit for, you know that 48%. And I don't think it should be privatized, it should not be handled by Wall Street, that is recipe for disaster. The losses taken by folks in the last meltdown should be a shining example.

And, based on what I learned from my economics professor in college, Romney/Ryan scare the daylights out of me. And I lived Romney's vision for sending manufacturing off shore. I helped move factories, and it totally changed my perspective. I used to view it as something that had to be done to keep us in the game. I was wrong, and I am very sorry that I ever participated in it... I think the economy does best when everyone does well, and I think that the vast division between the rich and poor is hurting us.

I can't understand how the recent transformation by Romney doesn't turn your stomach. If Romney believes that the country would buy what he was selling just a month ago, and what he peddles in private, why the change? It appeals to me as dishonesty on a grand scale.

I think you're right, we should stick to dogs. I have folks try and engage me in political talk at field trials and I stay away from it. I am there to enjoy the fruits of my labor, not argue with folks whose minds are made up.

smillerdvm
10-26-2012, 05:14 PM
Still havent made up my mind
Not very thrilled with my choices either

Cody Covey
10-26-2012, 06:15 PM
I have many conservative views.

I am against abortion.
I am against gun control.
I am against running huge deficits when the economy is strong.
I think that programs that profess to help the poor need to be completely re-tooled, but I believe that government has a role to play.
I think that there are many regulations that are misguided and counter productive.
I hate crony capitalism, and it really burns my butt to see competitors make use of government funding to compete with me when we do everything on our own dime.

But I am a firm believer in social security and medicare. I see payroll taxes as the government forcing folks to take responsibility for funding themselves in old age to a minimum extent so they are not a burden on the rest of us. It is a burden on them that conservatives don't seem to want to give them credit for, you know that 48%. And I don't think it should be privatized, it should not be handled by Wall Street, that is recipe for disaster. The losses taken by folks in the last meltdown should be a shining example.

And, based on what I learned from my economics professor in college, Romney/Ryan scare the daylights out of me. And I lived Romney's vision for sending manufacturing off shore. I helped move factories, and it totally changed my perspective. I used to view it as something that had to be done to keep us in the game. I was wrong, and I am very sorry that I ever participated in it... I think the economy does best when everyone does well, and I think that the vast division between the rich and poor is hurting us.

I can't understand how the recent transformation by Romney doesn't turn your stomach. If Romney believes that the country would buy what he was selling just a month ago, and what he peddles in private, why the change? It appeals to me as dishonesty on a grand scale.

I think you're right, we should stick to dogs. I have folks try and engage me in political talk at field trials and I stay away from it. I am there to enjoy the fruits of my labor, not argue with folks whose minds are made up.

I suppose I have one question for you based on your LSOS comment....Do you somehow think that Obama is not a LSOS?

gman0046
10-26-2012, 07:04 PM
Does the fact that the Obama administration sacrificed the lives of four of our fellow Americans in Benghazi have any bearing on your vote?

MooseGooser
10-26-2012, 08:31 PM
I would be interested in what you all think.

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/Obama-Chart-end-presidency/2012/09/20/id/456981?PROMO_CODE=10270-1&utm_source=taboola

Franco
10-26-2012, 09:00 PM
I would be interested in what you all think.

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/Obama-Chart-end-presidency/2012/09/20/id/456981?PROMO_CODE=10270-1&utm_source=taboola

That website is a product of NewsMax/Dick Morris. Morris' percription for selling ads on his website is in attracting readers by being as outrageous as possible and feeding on people's fears.

With that said, I do think we are headed for a financial meltdown largely due to the fact that neither party is capable of letting the dollar find its own value. The USSR fell because they couldn't determine the price of bread and as long as we allow a central bank to determine the value of the dollar, it is doomed. No longer do we allow market forces and real capitalism determine what happens with our dollar and economy. We have lived off of fiat moneyfor so long now that politicians have lost sight of what real money is.
The meltdown of late 2008 should have been the wakeup call for Americans. Apparently most are not interested.

Both Presidential candidates are making economic promises that they won't be able to deliver on. But, it sounds good and that is all most Americans care about today.

Broncos vs Saints Sunday Night @ Mile High(my two favorite QB's playing), whats your prediction?

Marvin S
10-26-2012, 09:19 PM
I have many conservative views.

I am against abortion.
I am against gun control.
I am against running huge deficits when the economy is strong.
I think that programs that profess to help the poor need to be completely re-tooled, but I believe that government has a role to play.
I think that there are many regulations that are misguided and counter productive.
I hate crony capitalism, and it really burns my butt to see competitors make use of government funding to compete with me when we do everything on our own dime.

But I am a firm believer in social security and medicare. I see payroll taxes as the government forcing folks to take responsibility for funding themselves in old age to a minimum extent so they are not a burden on the rest of us. It is a burden on them that conservatives don't seem to want to give them credit for, you know that 48%. And I don't think it should be privatized, it should not be handled by Wall Street, that is recipe for disaster. The losses taken by folks in the last meltdown should be a shining example.

And, based on what I learned from my economics professor in college, Romney/Ryan scare the daylights out of me. And I lived Romney's vision for sending manufacturing off shore. I helped move factories, and it totally changed my perspective. I used to view it as something that had to be done to keep us in the game. I was wrong, and I am very sorry that I ever participated in it... I think the economy does best when everyone does well, and I think that the vast division between the rich and poor is hurting us.

I can't understand how the recent transformation by Romney doesn't turn your stomach. If Romney believes that the country would buy what he was selling just a month ago, and what he peddles in private, why the change? It appeals to me as dishonesty on a grand scale.

I think you're right, we should stick to dogs. I have folks try and engage me in political talk at field trials and I stay away from it. I am there to enjoy the fruits of my labor, not argue with folks whose minds are made up.

Buzz - I will add to your I am against list

I am against the government deciding who the winners & losers will be -
I am against government engaging in private enterprise -
I am against the government stealing the opporunity for someone to be a success on their own initiative -
I am against the government rewarding behavior that is not good for the country -

I believe that there should be a choice in SS to go partially private for some income levels - I do not believe someone who is making minimum wage is probably sophisticated enough to deal with the market, but I do believe that someone inputting the maximum contribution should be & should have that option - Though at times you make me wonder :-P. As for losses in the last meltdown - it was a buying opportunity & our portfolio shows it - if only the government would get out of the way it would be even greater -

If you were as close to the governemnt as I am as a spectator you would see that there is a privleged class being created & they are called government employees - & that is not good for the country. As for the division of rich & poor, it's always been there, though I believe there are many company heads who are vastly overpaid - but that is the shareholders fault - I also believe that the directors of many of these companies would make the political class look like saints (Franco - that's not NO Saints :-P)

What I do believe is that we have a serious debt problem in this country & until it is addressed we are screwed - we know the present administration is not capable of that level of sophistication - So there needs to be a change :eek:.

MooseGooser
10-26-2012, 10:55 PM
That website is a product of NewsMax/Dick Morris. Morris' percription for selling ads on his website is in attracting readers by being as outrageous as possible and feeding on people's fears.

With that said, I do think we are headed for a financial meltdown largely due to the fact that neither party is capable of letting the dollar find its own value. The USSR fell because they couldn't determine the price of bread and as long as we allow a central bank to determine the value of the dollar, it is doomed. No longer do we allow market forces and real capitalism determine what happens with our dollar and economy. We have lived off of fiat moneyfor so long now that politicians have lost sight of what real money is.
The meltdown of late 2008 should have been the wakeup call for Americans. Apparently most are not interested.

Both Presidential candidates are making economic promises that they won't be able to deliver on. But, it sounds good and that is all most Americans care about today.

Broncos vs Saints Sunday Night @ Mile High(my two favorite QB's playing), whats your prediction?

franco

thanks!

I thought that web site had something to do with Dick Morris!..
Scary article either way though.

the gold standard is what I have been led to believe is the answer.. I did invest in a small amout about ten yrs ago. It has done well.

I still dont understand though,, how gold will be of any help, if the dollar truely is worthless..

Will there not be commerce? and what goods will be available to barter/ purchase with the gold..

I believe past entrepenuers used bad times as a bargain opportunity for capital investment... I think I would rather eat,, and have water to drink myself..

ANNNNYYYYWAAAAYYYYYYY!

I dont like Payton Manning... I never have... I kinda,, in a sick way,, route for the J- E- T- S - jets, jets, jets, now!:):)

And I hate to say this,,, The Radiers!! ( i cant beleive I said that!)

My prediction? NO saints 27,, Broncos 24

Gooser

Marvin S
10-26-2012, 11:18 PM
I would be interested in what you all think.

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/Obama-Chart-end-presidency/2012/09/20/id/456981?PROMO_CODE=10270-1&utm_source=taboola

Gloom & Doom always sells - I get at least 3 or 4 offers a year - Remember this, if the country as a whole turns to crap, regardless of what your investment is it won't be worth much. During the great depression my grandpa, an immigrant with a 2nd grade education, did not like the looks of banks so invested his money in T-bills. He told me "had he known he was going to live so long he would have owned 1/2 the county". T-bills is not the place to be today :).

I really do not like the level of debt, it goes without saying it is unsustainable. Until the government gets their nose out of it & especially this bunch, all of us are screwed.

There is a reason investors like companies that have little or no debt - they usually survive - the ones with debt become iffy - but that's where the greatest profit potential lies -

The gold thing - as I told franco on another post - there are strategic minerals that have the same profit potential - BE & TI are good examples - but some gold is fine - we missed the profit on the runup because our gold horse ran like a claimer - if it ever goes down we'll stick with ETF's so we don't have to pick a winner - will someone trying to feed his family trade what he has for your gold? just things to think about :).

MooseGooser
10-26-2012, 11:32 PM
Gloom & Doom always sells - I get at least 3 or 4 offers a year - Remember this, if the country as a whole turns to crap, regardless of what your investment is it won't be worth much. During the great depression my grandpa, an immigrant with a 2nd grade education, did not like the looks of banks so invested his money in T-bills. He told me "had he known he was going to live so long he would have owned 1/2 the county". T-bills is not the place to be today :).

I really do not like the level of debt, it goes without saying it is unsustainable. Until the government gets their nose out of it & especially this bunch, all of us are screwed.

There is a reason investors like companies that have little or no debt - they usually survive - the ones with debt become iffy - but that's where the greatest profit potential lies -

The gold thing - as I told franco on another post - there are strategic minerals that have the same profit potential - BE & TI are good examples - but some gold is fine - we missed the profit on the runup because our gold horse ran like a claimer - if it ever goes down we'll stick with ETF's so we don't have to pick a winner - will someone trying to feed his family trade what he has for your gold? just things to think about :).



Prolly not!!,,, But what I would hope,, is that a perveyor of preparedness, might just have a stock pile a PoP TARTS,, and will be willing to part with a package or two,, just to get me through.. he can always THEN use that Gold he traded for to find more POP TARTS to replace the ones he sold to me!!

Is my thinkin as screwed up as usual??

I do agree,, debt is a HORRIBLE thing,, for ANYONE or ANY entity..

Gooser

P. S.

I just thought! Who the he!! will be makin POP TARTS!!!

Folks,,, we gotta get this thing Fixed!!!

Gooser

mngundog
10-27-2012, 05:01 AM
If you look at Buzz's comments.. I do respect his right to voice them.. But,, This is what I dont understand about the effort people spend on Potus boards voicing their opinions. I jst dont get it..

I will never change Buzz's convictions. Nor will Buzz ever change mine..
Our differences are great..

Our Bantor back and forth is meaningless. Its a TOTAL wast of time..

Most people who come to Potus boards are very convinced in their beliefs. I dont understand trying to convince someone to accept Mine..
Its their soul!!! Its waht makes them as a person...

To the guy walking the fence,,,, Sooner or later ,, you have to decode who you are ,, and start living it...

I dont think it intellect to see you standing or pacing,,, wringing your hands,,, trying to decide what you believ in..

I really have no time for those that say they "Dont Vote"

I work with a guy who has the attitude that "It doesnt make a difference Who you vote for,,, We are all just circling the drain anyway"

This is not the year for Appathy.
JMHDAO.

Gooser
Although I have a voted in every election since I have been eligible I can see why the attitudes towards not caring to vote. We have a system in place where in some locations your just going through the motions, the Democrat Candidate has carried MN since 1976, he will again this time. I will vote knowing it will have no meaning, but if someone tells me it not worth their time to go to the polls to place their throwaway vote I have no issue with it and they have every bit of a right to complain than the ones who voted, IMO.

mngundog
10-27-2012, 05:08 AM
Buzz : there was a time that I honestly thought you were yanking everyones chain with your contrarian views, but you have finally convinced me that you are so anti R, that if Hillary were to suddenly bolt and run as an a Republican , you would not only disown her but treat her with the same disdain you do for all things R....what ever deep seated hatred you have for the R party is your business, I will therefore limit my discussions with you to dog training since your hatred makes it difficult if not impossible to have any dialogue at all when it comes to politics
BonMallari, don't you see the same deep seated hatred from both sides of the isle from 90% of posters here? I don't believe that Buzzes deep seed hatred is any different than many on here.

BonMallari
10-27-2012, 06:15 AM
BonMallari, don't you see the same deep seated hatred from both sides of the isle from 90% of posters here? I don't believe that Buzzes deep seed hatred is any different than many on here.

there are plenty on here with some deep seeded feelings and hatred...many of whom I wont be trading Christmas cards with this season..my post was directed to one person specifically because I have had prior conversations with him, and since I would like to continue those, I think its best for us to limit our talk to dog training , since its inevitable that our paths will cross due to common acquaintences

Heck there are some on my side of the political spectrum that I will only talk dog training with because I am not conservative enough for their tastes...its all good...after all we came on this board originally to talk dogs...POTUS is a side show

Marvin S
10-27-2012, 02:38 PM
Prolly not!!,,, But what I would hope,, is that a perveyor of preparedness, might just have a stock pile a PoP TARTS,, and will be willing to part with a package or two,, just to get me through.. he can always THEN use that Gold he traded for to find more POP TARTS to replace the ones he sold to me!!

Is my thinkin as screwed up as usual??

I do agree,, debt is a HORRIBLE thing,, for ANYONE or ANY entity..

Gooser

P. S.

I just thought! Who the he!! will be makin POP TARTS!!!

Folks,,, we gotta get this thing Fixed!!!

Gooser

Gooser - I am probably the only one posting here on POTUS who has lived through a real depression - it's not that bad - We had food, shelter & clothing - & were able to entertain ourselves - I guess that's what made us so self reliant - we made sure our families were taken care of, 1st & foremost - with a couple of good books I can entertain myself, that's why I think libraries so important - but my idea of a good book might be different than most, our local library does not stock the kinds of books I read :).

You can can every thing but pork, things like beef, chicken & pheasant - & of course, all the veggies & most fruit in 1 form or another. Potatoes & such go into the root cellar - & melons keeps for sometime underneath the grain - & a ton of squash, a little butter & some brown sugar & you have a feast -

As for the Owebama train of thought - he is only a centist if you consider Lugar, McCain, Dole & company conservative - but my concern is the inability of POTUS, present & past, to attract talent, the folks running things from Clinton on have been a steady parade of incompetents - that includes the GWB administration - when was the last time there was a Secretary of the Treasury that knew squat & the fed has not had a leader since Reagan's guy - the present POTUS tried to use him but did not listen to his recommends so there we are.

The most encouraging thing was RMoney's choice of Ryan as a running mate & embracing the plan Ryan had put forth - while all of it may not fly at the least Ryan stepped forward - & contrary to what Buzz may say, much of it is very good :-P. & for a guy who has benefitted from the system in place Buzz's thought pattern is hard to fathom.

Should RMoney be elected we as a country can look forward to 16 years of fairly stable folks in the WH - should be more than enough time to get the country really straight - the MSM won't like it nor will the prog's, but so be it :cool:.