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BonMallari
10-28-2012, 09:18 AM
Guess they didnt like being told what to put on the record and what not to ....The first time in 40 years that they have endorsed a R candidate

Remind me who won the Iowa primary way back when ?

Ken Bora
10-28-2012, 09:29 AM
was it Sanitorium?
and I think they caucus.

BonMallari
10-28-2012, 09:36 AM
was it Sanitorium?
and I think they caucus.


Right you are my tree tapping friend....I had to look it up, seemed like so long ago

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/data/iowa-caucus/results/

Gerry Clinchy
10-28-2012, 10:33 AM
So, it is not surprising that they would choose Romney over Obama.

The last Presidential candidate they endorsed was ... Nixon. Nixon turned out to be a good "executive", but still slimy. Let's hope that Romney is a good executive, without the slime part.

I'm still puzzled about how the Ds get away with calling Romney a flip-flopper. Wasn't it Obama that was against gay marriage until he was for it? Wasn't it Obama who was against waiving the Stafford Act for New Orleans (voting against it in the Senate), until he was in favor of it? (in front of the crowd where he praised Rev. Wright)

M&K's Retrievers
10-28-2012, 10:49 AM
Politicians tell people what they want to hear.

JS
10-28-2012, 11:13 AM
Guess they didnt like being told what to put on the record and what not to ....The first time in 40 years that they have endorsed a R candidate


Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

Here is a list of candidates they have endorsed:

• 1980 ... Carter (2nd term ... lost)
• 1984 ... Mondale (lost)
• 1988 ... Dukakis (lost)
• 2000 ... Gore (lost)
• 2004 ... Kerry (lost)

Good newspaper but not good oddsmakers.

Among the winners they have endorsed:

• Nixon (resigned to avoid impeachment)
• Clinton (impeached, though acquitted)
JS

BonMallari
10-28-2012, 11:22 AM
Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

Here is a list of candidates they have endorsed:

1980 ... Carter (2nd term ... lost)
1984 ... Mondale (lost)
1988 ... Dukakis (lost)
2000 ... Gore (lost)
2004 ... Kerry (lost)

Good newspaper but not good oddsmakers.

Among the winners they have endorsed:

Nixon (resigned to avoid impeachment)
Clinton (impeached, though acquitted)
JS


Well ok...but lets hear it from a local like yourself, give us your take on how your state is leaning or which direction it may break...serious question , I like to hear from people who live there..Thanks

JS
10-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Well ok...but lets hear it from a local like yourself, give us your take on how your state is leaning or which direction it may break...serious question , I like to hear from people who live there..Thanks

To answer my own question first, I think the endorsement is a "non-thing".

Prior to the first debate, my take was that traditional Republicans were very "un-enthused" and subdued, Many I talked to said they may not vote at all. The first debate obviously gave them hope and fired up their base.

On issues (when you can focus on them), this state is divided just like the rest of the country. Most dialogue though, resembles the "POTUS-like" exchanges ;-) with the right accusing the president of not working the miracle he said he wanted to and the left wondering if Gov. Romney is the candidate they watched all summer through the Rep primaries and the convention or the one who now seems to be an Obama groupie.

If you count yard signs, it's a tossup.

Depends on who votes and unfortunately, that is determined by the weather as much as anything else.

JS

M&K's Retrievers
10-28-2012, 12:32 PM
If you were to count yard signs and bumper stickers in Texas and Oklahoma you would be hard pressed to even find an Obama supporter.

JS
10-28-2012, 01:08 PM
Several weeks ago, week drove to the Great Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field for the Saints game. We turned a 6 hr. drive into 9 hours by taking the scenic back roads to see the fall leaves. We were very surprised that, even in all the small towns we drove through, the Obama signs outnumbered Romney easily 10-1. I'm pretty sure that Wisconsin is not going 10 to 1 for Obama. At least, if roadkill has his way. :D

just sayin'

JS

road kill
10-28-2012, 01:18 PM
Several weeks ago, week drove to the Great Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field for the Saints game. We turned a 6 hr. drive into 9 hours by taking the scenic back roads to see the fall leaves. We were very surprised that, even in all the small towns we drove through, the Obama signs outnumbered Romney easily 10-1. (did you drive thru Madison?) I'm pretty sure that Wisconsin is not going 10 to 1 for Obama. At least, if roadkill has his way. :D

just sayin'

JS
Uhhhhhhh....excuse me, you came to Lambeau to see the PACKERS GAME!!!!!:cool:


Just sayin'............

Uncle Bill
10-28-2012, 01:21 PM
Is that a good thing or a bad thing??

Here is a list of candidates they have endorsed:

• 1980 ... Carter (2nd term ... lost)
• 1984 ... Mondale (lost)
• 1988 ... Dukakis (lost)
• 2000 ... Gore (lost)
• 2004 ... Kerry (lost)

Good newspaper but not good oddsmakers.

Among the winners they have endorsed:

• Nixon (resigned to avoid impeachment)
• Clinton (impeached, though acquitted)
JS


AND....I suspect Obama, that SHOULD be impeached, but hopefully will get thrown out of office. It's just gotta make Michelle sooooo proud to be American.


UB

JS
10-28-2012, 01:39 PM
Uhhhhhhh....excuse me, you came to Lambeau to see the PACKERS GAME!!!!!:cool:


Just sayin'............

I stand corrected. But it almost WAS a Saints game! Anyway, the leaves were gorgeous and the Lienie was cold.

And thank you Uncle Bill, for that valuable contribution. Since it came from you, I can be sure it is factual.

Glad to have you on the "other side" regards,

JS

smillerdvm
10-29-2012, 05:08 PM
I'm still puzzled about how the Ds get away with calling Romney a flip-flopper. Wasn't it Obama that was against gay marriage until he was for it? Wasn't it Obama who was against waiving the Stafford Act for New Orleans (voting against it in the Senate), until he was in favor of it? (in front of the crowd where he praised Rev. Wright)


You say you are puzzled that people could call Romney a flip=flopper?

to be clear are you talking about MITT ROMNEY?

The same Mitt Romney who was a liberal as Mass Gov? The same Mitt Romney who claimed to be the most Conservative of all the candidates during the Republican primary? The same Mitt Romney who since wrapping up the R nomination has steadily moved more towards a more moderate position?

Are you referring to the Mitt Romney who constantly rails against Obamcare { Which is modeled after Romneycare} , yet as Gov of Mass felt it was a great model for the entire U.S.A. You do remember Santorum saying during the primaries that Mitt Romney was not only the last of the Rebublican candidates that would have any credibility to criticize Obamacare; but that he was the last man alive that would have any credibility in attacking Obamacare?

Are you referring to the Mitt Romney who constantly criticized Obamas entire foreign policy. Did you witness the last debate? Im referring to the foreign policy debate when Mitt Romney basically endorsed and supported most every part of Obamas foreign policy.

If you need some more things you may want to look up his various positions on such thing as
Abortion Rights
Social Security Privatization
The importance of hunting down & bringing to justice Osama Bin Laden
Gun Control
Immigration Amnesty
Minimum Wage
Stem Cell Research
Man made Global Warming
Roe v Wade
Captal Gains taxes
Dont ask Don't Tell
Health Care Mandates
Govt Stimulus
Campaign Spending Limits
Whether or not he felt a desire to serve his country in the Vietnam War

Franco
10-29-2012, 05:43 PM
You say you are puzzled that people could call Romney a flip=flopper?

to be clear are you talking about MITT ROMNEY?

The same Mitt Romney who was a liberal as Mass Gov? The same Mitt Romney who claimed to be the most Conservative of all the candidates during the Republican primary? The same Mitt Romney who since wrapping up the R nomination has steadily moved more towards a more moderate position?

Are you referring to the Mitt Romney who constantly rails against Obamcare { Which is modeled after Romneycare} , yet as Gov of Mass felt it was a great model for the entire U.S.A. You do remember Santorum saying during the primaries that Mitt Romney was not only the last of the Rebublican candidates that would have any credibility to criticize Obamacare; but that he was the last man alive that would have any credibility in attacking Obamacare?

Are you referring to the Mitt Romney who constantly criticized Obamas entire foreign policy. Did you witness the last debate? Im referring to the foreign policy debate when Mitt Romney basically endorsed and supported most every part of Obamas foreign policy.

If you need some more things you may want to look up his various positions on such thing as
Abortion Rights
Social Security Privatization
The importance of hunting down & bringing to justice Osama Bin Laden
Gun Control
Immigration Amnesty
Minimum Wage
Stem Cell Research
Man made Global Warming
Roe v Wade
Captal Gains taxes
Dont ask Don't Tell
Health Care Mandates
Govt Stimulus
Campaign Spending Limits
Whether or not he felt a desire to serve his country in the Vietnam War

Politics in this country are no longer about substance as much as it is about looks/TV appearence and campaign slogans. That is all 80% of the voting public is interested in! If the public were really interested, we wouldn't have the candidates we do running for POTUS.

On anther note; Sirius/XM re-aired the debate hosted by Larry King with the other candidates running for POTUS on the POTUS Politics channel. That was more revealing and interesting than all the Obama/Romney canned debates combined! One can probably find it on youtube.

gman0046
10-29-2012, 06:09 PM
For what its worth, I still have yet to see an Obama campaign sign in the Florida Pan Handle. I'm sure glad I live down here. No Obama fans here. If Obama had his way we'd be hunting ducks with sticks. He's always been a advocate for Gun Control.

Marvin S
10-29-2012, 11:55 PM
Posted by Smillerdvm - my replies in red

Abortion Rights - the majority of citizens support limited rights including rape & incest
Social Security Privatization - any young person who does not support this in some version is not very smart
The importance of hunting down & bringing to justice Osama Bin Laden - the seals took care of that issue
Gun Control - At the least he did not rent a costume from Sears for a photo op
Immigration Amnesty - it's a serious issue
Minimum Wage - not a decision government should be making
Stem Cell Research - what's your position?
Man made Global Warming - an opportunity to grow crops further north :-P -
Roe v Wade - see abortion
Captal Gains taxes - when one makes an investment there should be a risk reward ratio
Dont ask Don't Tell - ever served your country - no normal male wants someone of the same sex coveting their junk
Health Care Mandates - the 1st mistake was mandating treatment for all who arrived
Govt Stimulus - stimulating one's political crony's
Campaign Spending Limits- I believe Citizen's United leveled that field
Whether or not he felt a desire to serve his country in the Vietnam War - the D's war


You're obviously a lefty, so what state are you from?

Buzz
10-30-2012, 09:33 AM
Posted by Smillerdvm - my replies in red

Social Security Privatization - any young person who does not support this in some version is not very smart




Marvin, you have way more faith in the average American to manage his/her retirement investments than I do. On another thread you mentioned that you viewed the recent meltdown as a buying opportunity. So did I. In fact I had about 2 years of retirement investment cash laying around to invest because I felt very nervous about the markets. That amounted to 25% of my income for 2 years. Needless to say, I did VERY well. My bet is that most people sold into the free fall, and then were too nervous to invest when it was near the bottom. Human nature is to buy high flying stocks and sell when things look grave. I struggle to fight that tendency myself even though I know its wrong...

JS
10-30-2012, 10:18 AM
Posted by Smillerdvm - my replies in red

Abortion Rights - the majority of citizens support limited rights including rape & incest
Social Security Privatization - any young person who does not support this in some version is not very smart
The importance of hunting down & bringing to justice Osama Bin Laden - the seals took care of that issue
Gun Control - At the least he did not rent a costume from Sears for a photo op
Immigration Amnesty - it's a serious issue
Minimum Wage - not a decision government should be making
Stem Cell Research - what's your position?
Man made Global Warming - an opportunity to grow crops further north :-P -
Roe v Wade - see abortion
Captal Gains taxes - when one makes an investment there should be a risk reward ratio
Dont ask Don't Tell - ever served your country - no normal male wants someone of the same sex coveting their junk
Health Care Mandates - the 1st mistake was mandating treatment for all who arrived
Govt Stimulus - stimulating one's political crony's
Campaign Spending Limits- I believe Citizen's United leveled that field
Whether or not he felt a desire to serve his country in the Vietnam War - the D's war


You're obviously a lefty, so what state are you from?

Marvin, I think Smiller's post was not intended to point out anyone's position on those issues but rather to point out where the governor has made a complete reversal of position from what he stated when talking to Republicans throughout the year and what he began to say once the presidential debates began. It's all on record.

BTW, back on the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interesting piece from Gov. Romney's hometown newspaper. Maybe it's old news but I just wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see it ... I didn't notice it being brought up here. Maybe I missed it. ;-)

JS

Edit: OK, so I didn't post the link. :oops: Here it is, not that anyone is interested. No one asked.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-romney-obama-president.html.csp

duckheads
10-30-2012, 10:39 AM
Marvin, I think Smiller's post was not intended to point out anyone's position on those issues but rather to point out where the governor has made a complete reversal of position from what he stated when talking to Republicans throughout the year and what he began to say once the presidential debates began. It's all on record.

BTW, back on the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interesting piece from Gov. Romney's hometown newspaper. Maybe it's old news but I just wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see it ... I didn't notice it being brought up here. Maybe I missed it. ;-)

JS

I think the good doctor's intentions are clear. I really don't see anyone on the left scrutinize the president like they have other candidates. Its so bad it's not even funny!

Marvin S
10-30-2012, 02:30 PM
Marvin, you have way more faith in the average American to manage his/her retirement investments than I do. On another thread you mentioned that you viewed the recent meltdown as a buying opportunity. So did I. In fact I had about 2 years of retirement investment cash laying around to invest because I felt very nervous about the markets. That amounted to 25% of my income for 2 years. Needless to say, I did VERY well. My bet is that most people sold into the free fall, and then were too nervous to invest when it was near the bottom. Human nature is to buy high flying stocks and sell when things look grave. I struggle to fight that tendency myself even though I know its wrong...

IMO - there should be more than 1 option - I stated on a previous post that the minimum wage folks should stay in this system as it is geared to their maximum benefit but there are those who are capable of managing their own finances that should be allowed to do so, with certain restrictions - the main one being no withdrawals.

In the dotcom meltdown I was gaining about 12/15% a year while many who were clients of a planner who ran dogs managed to lose up to 75% of their principal & it has not come back. After talking about those returns for a short time, I just shut up, people don't like to be reminded how stupid they are :). The darlings of that era MSFT, CSCO, Sun, Oracle - what's their return 02-12?

Risk - reward ratio is a good way to stay away from high flyers - Unless the potential exists for a 10 bagger the stock is overpriced - speaking of growth stocks - a stock paying a reasonable dividend that can double is probably fairly safe also.

Marvin S
10-30-2012, 02:43 PM
Marvin, I think Smiller's post was not intended to point out anyone's position on those issues but rather to point out where the governor has made a complete reversal of position from what he stated when talking to Republicans throughout the year and what he began to say once the presidential debates began. It's all on record.

BTW, back on the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interesting piece from Gov. Romney's hometown newspaper. Maybe it's old news but I just wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see it ... I didn't notice it being brought up here. Maybe I missed it. ;-)

JS

Edit: OK, so I didn't post the link. :oops: Here it is, not that anyone is interested. No one asked.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-romney-obama-president.html.csp

I am aware of the dvm's intent or at least I thought so. I just felt he was throwing a lot of BS into the wind hoping something would stick. I was just pointing out that many of his posts were non-issues due to changed circumstances. As for RMoney changing positions - that's what business people do. & how is the MSM doing these days, maybe they could stand a little of Mitt's wisdom on things related to running a successful business.

As for vague, who cares, things will be changed as they go through the process so why take grief over something that's not going to happen. My previous post to Buzz is one of those Ryan issues - our discussion has made me flesh out what I had normally placed in a soundbite :).

RMoney was not my 1st choice, but he has run a sound campaign & I am looking forward to him being POTUS :cool:.

smillerdvm
10-30-2012, 02:46 PM
Marvin, I think Smiller's post was not intended to point out anyone's position on those issues but rather to point out where the governor has made a complete reversal of position from what he stated when talking to Republicans throughout the year and what he began to say once the presidential debates began. It's all on record.

BTW, back on the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interesting piece from Gov. Romney's hometown newspaper. Maybe it's old news but I just wanted to make sure everyone got a chance to see it ... I didn't notice it being brought up here. Maybe I missed it. ;-)

JS

Edit: OK, so I didn't post the link. :oops: Here it is, not that anyone is interested. No one asked.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-romney-obama-president.html.csp

Jack you are correct. I wasn't looking for comments on positions or pointing out Mr Romneys position on any of these issues. Rather I was responding to Gerry Clinchy's post claiming he couldnt understand how anybody could refer to Romney as a flip-flopper. It is very difficult to decide what Mr Romney's position is as on these issues I mentioned {and there are many more} he has taken stances on both sides of the issues.
I would think that of the issues I cited more than one ore two of them would be important to virtually every (Objective, thinking) voter; regardless of affiliation

I saw your post earlier and noticed your link wasn't there, then came back to it after perusing the other forums.
I actually didn't think that would be the link you cited. I was guessing that your link would be to a debate when he was running for Mass. Governor. when he was challenged by his female opponent on his propensity to change positions and specifically his committment to womens unfettered right to choose. In that debate Mr Romney got incensed at his opponent for questioning his comittment to womens right to choose & assured everyone that his comittment to Abortion rights went to his very core and would NEVER CHANGE.
I hadn't seen the endorsement by the Salt Lake newspaper, and will admit I was quite surprised by it.

I will be interested in others on POTUS comments on your link as well as comments on Mr Romneys differing positions on so many positions. I would hope they will stick to reasonable discussion and stick to the facts

road kill
10-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Jack you are correct. I wasn't looking for comments on positions or pointing out Mr Romneys position on any of these issues. Rather I was responding to Gerry Clinchy's post claiming he couldnt understand how anybody could refer to Romney as a flip-flopper. It is very difficult to decide what Mr Romney's position is as on these issues I mentioned {and there are many more} he has taken stances on both sides of the issues.
I would think that of the issues I cited more than one ore two of them would be important to virtually every (Objective, thinking) voter; regardless of affiliation

I saw your post earlier and noticed your link wasn't there, then came back to it after perusing the other forums.
I actually didn't think that would be the link you cited. I was guessing that your link would be to a debate when he was running for Mass. Governor. when he was challenged by his female opponent on his propensity to change positions and specifically his committment to womens unfettered right to choose. In that debate Mr Romney got incensed at his opponent for questioning his comittment to womens right to choose & assured everyone that his comittment to Abortion rights went to his very core and would NEVER CHANGE.
I hadn't seen the endorsement by the Salt Lake newspaper, and will admit I was quite surprised by it.

I will be interested in others on POTUS comments on your link as well as comments on Mr Romneys differing positions on so many positions. I would hope they will stick to reasonable discussion and stick to the facts

Just because one person may not like what another person posts does not mean it is not facts through the posters perception.

Perception is reality.

For an example, it is my perception that Obama is anti gay marriage.
Proving that one cadidates "evolution" is another's "flip flop."

Another example;
The 9-11-12 attack in Bengahzi was due to a youtube video.
Proving one man's perception differs greatly from EVERYONE ELSES!!!!


Just sayin'............

Pals
10-30-2012, 03:44 PM
Say it isn't so--a flip floppin politician??

smillerdvm: RE- Gerry--I'm pretty sure SHE has a very well educated opinions on issues you listed, in particular the politics of the "war on women"(a term libs are so fond of--yet they a** kiss the Islamists (Muslim Brotherhood anyone?)--KNOWN for its peace and tolerance and fair treatment of women?!--please note the push to change the age from 13 to NINE for forced marriages is one of those tolerant, peace loving nations) I'm sure its just a first time "Fluke"? :cool:

Hopefully Iowa goes Red. I need to move.

Marvin S
10-30-2012, 06:38 PM
yet they a** kiss the Islamists (Muslim Brotherhood anyone?)--KNOWN for its peace and tolerance and fair treatment of women?!--please note the push to change the age from 13 to NINE for forced marriages is one of those tolerant, peace loving nations) I'm sure its just a first time "Fluke"? :cool:

Nancy - good way to present the facts :cool: :cool: :cool: really :cool:

JS
10-31-2012, 03:13 PM
Hopefully Iowa goes Red. I need to move.

You're welcome to Iowa regardless, Pals. (you CAN throw a duck, right?)

JS