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Uncle Bill
11-11-2012, 12:17 PM
...comes a post I wish I was enough of a wordsmith to have written.

The American Dream ended last Tuesday.

The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

You will never again out-vote the people who gave Obama four more years. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.


And, let me add...Humpty Dumpty has fallen, and all the messiahs horses/men/unionistas/gays/SFN/OWS groupies/czars/ will ever be able to put him together again. You fools have no clue what you have allowed to happen.

UB

Marvin S
11-11-2012, 01:19 PM
...comes a post I wish I was enough of a wordsmith to have written.

The American Dream ended last Tuesday.

The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government employees, government union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

You will never again out-vote the people who gave Obama four more years. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.


And, let me add...Humpty Dumpty has fallen, and all the messiahs horses/men/unionistas/gays/SFN/OWS groupies/czars/ will ever be able to put him together again. You fools have no clue what you have allowed to happen.

UB



A couple of minor changes :). We will be making no major purchases during the next 4 years, they can let the SFN crowd stimulate their economy.

Terri
11-11-2012, 01:41 PM
I think the list of people the Republican party has decided to cross off the list of members is the problem. I maybe a female, but I'm very conservative. I'm getting tried of being blamed for being part of the problem, the cause for the reelection, and labelled a liberal baby killer. One day I might decide to leave the group and go play with people that embrace me. I think that is why a lot of conservatives stayed home on election day. You guys think you can bring it home for the GOP alone need to look in the mirror because you are the reason this happened. Any man worth a grain of salt knows all great men have a great woman standing beside him.

Terri

MooseGooser
11-11-2012, 01:56 PM
Very good Uncle Bill..

I agree with Marvin..
But MY purchases are going to be ones that will enable me to protect myself,, and survive,, when Our government eventually will have no choice but to cut the off the open hand that waits for what they THINK they are entitled to.. It HAS to end someday..

Look around at other economies and countries,, and witness what happens when their "Giving" government just cant do it any longer..

There are tough times ahead...

My Main goal in life still remains as Owning a Dog that sits......

Its going well,, I just hope I get the chance to enjoy her..

My Vintage guns are basically useless...

I have to purchase guns to shoot steel shot..

My president wants to regulate my reloading.. and the ability to purchase the gun.
He wants to make my Gasoline so expensive,, I wont be able to enjoy travel and recreation..

That President,, As of January 1 ,, is going to Tax the company I work for enough, that they are considering closing down a small Machine shop and R&D department..

That President is working behind the scenes to by-pass the second ammendment by making bed fellows out of the U.N.

There are going to be tough times ahead..

Gooser

MooseGooser
11-11-2012, 02:13 PM
And all the concerns I posted above,, are just MY SELFISH concerns..

Just think what is going to happen to my kids,, and my Grand kids..

Gooser

murral stark
11-11-2012, 04:44 PM
I think the list of people the Republican party has decided to cross off the list of members is the problem. I maybe a female, but I'm very conservative. I'm getting tried of being blamed for being part of the problem, the cause for the reelection, and labelled a liberal baby killer. One day I might decide to leave the group and go play with people that embrace me. I think that is why a lot of conservatives stayed home on election day. You guys think you can bring it home for the GOP alone need to look in the mirror because you are the reason this happened. Any man worth a grain of salt knows all great men have a great woman standing beside him.

Terri

Terri. truer words coud not have been said. Without my wife, I would be nothing. she is my rock, my best friend and just fun to be with. Strange thing though, she voted for Romney, but she loves me anyway. LOL

Franco
11-11-2012, 05:57 PM
Terri. truer words coud not have been said. Without my wife, I would be nothing. she is my rock, my best friend and just fun to be with. Strange thing though, she voted for Romney, but she loves me anyway. LOL

Mine is a pain in the neck! She knows I am leaving tomorrow for a three day hunt and instead of letting me pack my gear and watch Football today, she gave me a list of things to do!

Terri
11-11-2012, 06:32 PM
Franco, sounds like she really values you. Cup half full.

Terri

murral stark
11-11-2012, 07:48 PM
Mine is a pain in the neck! She knows I am leaving tomorrow for a three day hunt and instead of letting me pack my gear and watch Football today, she gave me a list of things to do!

Suck it up buttercup. If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. LOL

Buzz
11-11-2012, 08:09 PM
A couple of minor changes :). We will be making no major purchases during the next 4 years, they can let the SFN crowd stimulate their economy.

Marv, you only live once. It is hard to believe you'll be making the most of it if this is how you plan to carry out the next 4 years.

Henry V
11-11-2012, 10:38 PM
Very good Uncle Bill..

I agree with Marvin..
But MY purchases are going to be ones that will enable me to protect myself,, and survive,, when Our government eventually will have no choice but to cut the off the open hand that waits for what they THINK they are entitled to.. It HAS to end someday..

Look around at other economies and countries,, and witness what happens when their "Giving" government just cant do it any longer..

There are tough times ahead...

My Main goal in life still remains as Owning a Dog that sits......

Its going well,, I just hope I get the chance to enjoy her..

My Vintage guns are basically useless...

I have to purchase guns to shoot steel shot..

My president wants to regulate my reloading.. and the ability to purchase the gun.
He wants to make my Gasoline so expensive,, I wont be able to enjoy travel and recreation..

That President,, As of January 1 ,, is going to Tax the company I work for enough, that they are considering closing down a small Machine shop and R&D department..

That President is working behind the scenes to by-pass the second amendment by making bed fellows out of the U.N.

There are going to be tough times ahead..

Gooser

Just curious if you support cutting off the hands of those receiving corporate welfare like the oil and drug companies or are you only talking about the poor?

The economies of other countries are dragging us down. You do realize that Europe went all in for austerity and is now going through a double dip. At least we did not take that route in the short term to make things worse here.

Oh, too bad you have to purchase steel shot. There is always bismuth.

Regulate your reloading?, please provide us with a link to evidence to support this.

So, you want the government to control gasoline prices? Sorry, but the market is doing that and a barrel of oil is never going to be less than $75 again. Deal with it. It is called supply and demand and something the right wing supports except regarding gas and then they want to blame the government.

Really, tax your company. Again, please provide a link to any evidence to support this. What new corporate tax? There is certainty now, everything should be getting better. It was all that uncertainty causing problems, right?

Right, bed fellows with the UN. That's a good one. Please provide the evidence.

Tough times, certainly not worse than four years ago when the bottom fell out. Stock market is way up. Many thousands of private sectors jobs created. Federal taxes are as low as they ever have been., etc.

What did Reagan say about nattering nabobs of negativism.....perhaps thicker tin foil will help some of you.

Marvin S
11-11-2012, 10:38 PM
Marv, you only live once. It is hard to believe you'll be making the most of it if this is how you plan to carry out the next 4 years.

I lived through the depression in SD less than a 100 miles from where you live. Heat, clothing, food but no indoor plumbing, in fact like all from that era I grew up organic :). When I tell that to the lefties, they have a hard time with a person as fiscally conservative as I thinking that was :cool:. I love to grow my own food & preserve it to share with the family. I learned to do without & found it not so bad. We find great pleasure in the simple things in life. There will be no new vehicles or trailers, home remodel is on hold, there are enough little projects to last the 4 years. Repairs to vehicles will do until we get someone in the WH who is competent. Our issue in this state is that there is a guy governor in the governor's manse capable of doing more damage than the POTUS. We can entertain ourselves with a lot of inexpensive things :cool:. Though we no longer eat a lot of meat we will stock up for the future next month when our son butchers. We love our grandkids & get great pleasure in watching them grow & mature into young adults. We'll see what the future brings ;-).

HPL
11-11-2012, 11:07 PM
Just curious if you support cutting off............................................... .. .

Don't really think this was good enough for a double post.

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 10:05 AM
Just curious if you support cutting off the hands of those receiving corporate welfare like the oil and drug companies or are you only talking about the poor?

The economies of other countries are dragging us down. You do realize that Europe went all in for austerity and is now going through a double dip. At least we did not take that route in the short term to make things worse here.

Oh, too bad you have to purchase steel shot. There is always bismuth.

Regulate your reloading?, please provide us with a link to evidence to support this.

So, you want the government to control gasoline prices? Sorry, but the market is doing that and a barrel of oil is never going to be less than $75 again. Deal with it. It is called supply and demand and something the right wing supports except regarding gas and then they want to blame the government.

Really, tax your company. Again, please provide a link to any evidence to support this. What new corporate tax? There is certainty now, everything should be getting better. It was all that uncertainty causing problems, right?

Right, bed fellows with the UN. That's a good one. Please provide the evidence.





Tough times, certainly not worse than four years ago when the bottom fell out. Stock market is way up. Many thousands of private sectors jobs created. Federal taxes are as low as they ever have been., etc.

What did Reagan say about nattering nabobs of negativism.....perhaps thicker tin foil will help some of you.



As far as In bed with the U.N.

Small arms treaty act..
behind the doors talks by Hillary Clinton and President Obama who both support the act.


http://www.nagr.org/images/UN_Rand_Message_Header.jpg

Dear fellow American,
Gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”
Disguised as an “International Arms Control Treaty” to fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN’s Small Arms Treaty is in fact a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate, the UN “Small Arms Treaty” would almost certainly FORCE the United States to: *** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;
*** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);
*** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;
*** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you that this is NOT a fight we can afford to lose. I’m helping lead the fight to defeat this radical treaty in the United States Senate and I want your help.
Please join me by taking a public stand AGAINST this outright assault on our national sovereignty by signing the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey below!
For Freedom,
http://www.nagr.org/images/rand_sig.png
Rand Paul
U.S. Senator (R-KY)





As far as the regulating your reloading and home gunsmithing..

http://davekopel.com/2A/Mags/oas-treaty.htm (http://davekopel.com/2A/Mags/oas-treaty.htm)


As far as Bismuth.

It was and still is almost impossible to get in bulk shot. In fact, I believe it is no longer manufactured for bulk shot for reloaders to use.. There are copies such as nice shot ect.. ridicuously expensive.

There are manufactured Bismuth loads available ridicously expensive,, but the manufactuer will not release pressure information. All they will say is it meets Saami standards..
Vintage guns Cannot safely shoot many of the Saami pressure accepted loads..

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 10:35 AM
Here is an example of the price of Bismuth bulk shot , when you can get it..

to compare:

A 25# bag of lead shot is about $40.00... and thats a good price..

Look at the price of 6 POUNDS of bismuth..

Gooser

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 04:22 PM
Just curious if you support cutting off the hands of those receiving corporate welfare like the oil and drug companies or are you only talking about the poor?

The economies of other countries are dragging us down. You do realize that Europe went all in for austerity and is now going through a double dip. At least we did not take that route in the short term to make things worse here.

Oh, too bad you have to purchase steel shot. There is always bismuth.

Regulate your reloading?, please provide us with a link to evidence to support this.

So, you want the government to control gasoline prices? Sorry, but the market is doing that and a barrel of oil is never going to be less than $75 again. Deal with it. It is called supply and demand and something the right wing supports except regarding gas and then they want to blame the government.

Really, tax your company. Again, please provide a link to any evidence to support this. What new corporate tax? There is certainty now, everything should be getting better. It was all that uncertainty causing problems, right?

Right, bed fellows with the UN. That's a good one. Please provide the evidence.

Tough times, certainly not worse than four years ago when the bottom fell out. Stock market is way up. Many thousands of private sectors jobs created. Federal taxes are as low as they ever have been., etc.

What did Reagan say about nattering nabobs of negativism.....perhaps thicker tin foil will help some of you.


HenryV

medical device manufactuer tax under Obama care


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82213_Page2.html

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 04:27 PM
That tax after a meeting called by our CEO, will cost the company 7 million dollars a year on average. Our small R&d machine shop was scheduled to purchase new machine tools.These tools have been cancelled.

These were majors machining centers controlled by CNC
several thousand dollars that would have gone into the U.S.economy

The company is now saying lay offs are quite possible

Buzz
11-12-2012, 04:30 PM
Looking this over sure makes me wish I had a bridge to sell. Apparently Rand Paul does.


As far as In bed with the U.N.

Small arms treaty act..
behind the doors talks by Hillary Clinton and President Obama who both support the act.


http://www.nagr.org/images/UN_Rand_Message_Header.jpg

Dear fellow American,
Gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”
Disguised as an “International Arms Control Treaty” to fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN’s Small Arms Treaty is in fact a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate, the UN “Small Arms Treaty” would almost certainly FORCE the United States to: *** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;
*** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);
*** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;
*** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION.

I'm sure I don't have to tell you that this is NOT a fight we can afford to lose. I’m helping lead the fight to defeat this radical treaty in the United States Senate and I want your help.
Please join me by taking a public stand AGAINST this outright assault on our national sovereignty by signing the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey below!
For Freedom,
http://www.nagr.org/images/rand_sig.png
Rand Paul
U.S. Senator (R-KY)




As far as the regulating your reloading and home gunsmithing..

http://davekopel.com/2A/Mags/oas-treaty.htm (http://davekopel.com/2A/Mags/oas-treaty.htm)


As far as Bismuth.

It was and still is almost impossible to get in bulk shot. In fact, I believe it is no longer manufactured for bulk shot for reloaders to use.. There are copies such as nice shot ect.. ridicuously expensive.

There are manufactured Bismuth loads available ridicously expensive,, but the manufactuer will not release pressure information. All they will say is it meets Saami standards..
Vintage guns Cannot safely shoot many of the Saami pressure accepted loads..

Henry V
11-12-2012, 09:31 PM
MooseGooser,

Thanks for the replies to a few of my comments.

Let’s start with CIFTA. I found a fact sheet on it from 2002 and the wiki says it originated in 1997, so, this convention is nothing new. The article that you cite sure makes it seem like this is a new treaty. Hmmm, I wonder why. (fact sheet at http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/smallarms/Cifta_ConciseGuide_DoS.htm)

I read the proposed convention/treaty, have you? It is available at http://www.oas.org/juridico/english/treaties/a-63.html

I see nothing in the lines of the text that indicate that this treaty would do anything that your sources say. In fact, just the opposite. For example
RECOGNIZING that states have developed different cultural and historical uses for firearms, and that the purpose of enhancing international cooperation to eradicate illicit transnational trafficking in firearms is not intended to discourage or diminish lawful leisure or recreational activities such as travel or tourism for sport shooting, hunting, and other forms of lawful ownership and use recognized by the States Parties;
RECALLING that States Parties have their respective domestic laws and regulations in the areas of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials, and recognizing that this Convention does not commit States Parties to enact legislation or regulations pertaining to firearms ownership, possession, or trade of a wholly domestic character, and recognizing that States Parties will apply their respective laws and regulations in a manner consistent with this Convention;

The Rand Paul article is classic fear mongering propaganda. I see gun and ammo sales are going through the roof again. The gun and ammo companies must love when democrats get elected or re-elected. You would think people might get it after a while.


On the corporate tax, I figured it must have to be something with the affordable care act. Yes, a 2.3% excise tax on gross revenue will be levied across the board (i.e. fairly) to all medical devices sold in the U.S. This apparently was an acceptable part of the bill when it passed since revenue losses were expected to be offset by increased sales of devices since millions more people would have coverage and thus more devices would be sold. It is no surprise that this is now being used as a reason for job cuts, etc. by some, but there are contrasting views on its effect. See http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107878/um-about-medical-device-tax# . It seems odd that a 2.3% sales tax would result in such dramatic effect on a highly profitable industry. Seem like the bigger concern is that this will increase health care costs. If your CEO claims that the company will take a $7 million cut then the company must have US sales of $304,347,826. I wonder what the profit margin is? If there is demand for the products and your company will not create them, I suppose that someone else will do so despite the 2.3% excise tax (as suggested in the article I posted above).

Boy, I am sure glad that we have not increased the excise tax on gasoline for the past 20 years because I would hate to see the oil companies pull up stakes, close refineries, etc.

huntinman
11-12-2012, 09:44 PM
MooseGooser,

Thanks for the replies to a few of my comments.

Let’s start with CIFTA. I found a fact sheet on it from 2002 and the wiki says it originated in 1997, so, this convention is nothing new. The article that you cite sure makes it seem like this is a new treaty. Hmmm, I wonder why. (fact sheet at http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/smallarms/Cifta_ConciseGuide_DoS.htm)

I read the proposed convention/treaty, have you? It is available at http://www.oas.org/juridico/english/treaties/a-63.html

I see nothing in the lines of the text that indicate that this treaty would do anything that your sources say. In fact, just the opposite. For example

The Rand Paul article is classic fear mongering propaganda. I see gun and ammo sales are going through the roof again. The gun and ammo companies must love when democrats get elected or re-elected. You would think people might get it after a while.


On the corporate tax, I figured it must have to be something with the affordable care act. Yes, a 2.3% excise tax on gross revenue will be levied across the board (i.e. fairly) to all medical devices sold in the U.S. This apparently was an acceptable part of the bill when it passed since revenue losses were expected to be offset by increased sales of devices since millions more people would have coverage and thus more devices would be sold. It is no surprise that this is now being used as a reason for job cuts, etc. by some, but there are contrasting views on its effect. See http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/107878/um-about-medical-device-tax# . It seems odd that a 2.3% sales tax would result in such dramatic effect on a highly profitable industry. Seem like the bigger concern is that this will increase health care costs. If your CEO claims that the company will take a $7 million cut then the company must have US sales of $304,347,826. I wonder what the profit margin is? If there is demand for the products and your company will not create them, I suppose that someone else will do so despite the 2.3% excise tax (as suggested in the article I posted above).

Boy, I am sure glad that we have not increased the excise tax on gasoline for the past 20 years because I would hate to see the oil companies pull up stakes, close refineries, etc.

Be hard to close refineries when we haven't built any in 35 years...

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 10:39 PM
henry V

That is the respose from you I was expecting!!!
:rolleyes:

You think it OK for goverment to Steal Profit from Private companies to pay for a product the government is FORCING all its citizens to take...

Again.....:rolleyes: This is what I expected from you!!
While the treat or convention does indeed state what you quoted,it also goes on to give definitions.

as long as your "state" agrees with the definitions by signature.

The convention defines illicit as the manufacture of ammunition without a license.

therfore your will be required to purchase a license. That evolves to another tax,and makes it so you could be subject to a audit from the government.
i knew my taking the time to post my proof to the questions you so sunk ally asked of me in your previous post would be a waste.

you sir are free to believe what you will. Just as I am free to do the same.

Just remember it is President Obama that is pushing to have this convention ratified.
Presidento Clinton and President Bush never gave it any consideration.

why is President Obama taking a different stance?

He can't get around the second amendment with U.S. law, so he attacks through the back door,and very quietly Also.


Bought another gun last week...

Order in for MORE reloading supplies tomorrow...

I'll be prepared...

Gooser

Please forgive also. I typed this on my phone. It spells worse than I do.

i hope the new Obama model is higher edcratatede

Henry V
11-13-2012, 02:00 PM
Yes, I believe that excise taxes are OK. The medical device tax is similar to the gas tax for transportation. I am sure some companies will take advantage of your companies decision to make themselves less competitive over an excise tax. Let the competitive market work.

Yes, I believe everyone should be required to have insurance. We end up paying for the medical care of people without insurance at a much higher cost than if we subsidize their insurance. This is exactly why this mandate was a conservative idea directly out of the heritage foundation. Well, at least it was a conservative idea until the party veered far to the right.

You can read in all the meanings you want into the treaty and are free to believe the hysteria and propaganda and buy more guns. Please, spend, spend, spend, it is good for the economy.

huntinman
11-13-2012, 02:06 PM
Come on Gooser, you know all true blue libs never met a tax they didn't like.

duckheads
11-13-2012, 03:20 PM
Come on Gooser, you know all true blue libs never met a tax they didn't like.

Ain't that the truth!