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twall
11-12-2012, 09:50 AM
My wife and I were pleasantly surprised by the high voter turnout in our county, 91%. We were also surprised that so many rebulican congressman were re-elected so strongly and the president won Ohio. Then this comes up:

http://visiontoamerica.com/12872/voter-fraud-obama-won-108-of-registered-voters-in-ohio-county/

And then there is FL:

http://visiontoamerica.com/12878/florida-showing-massive-voter-fraud/

Having grown up in Cook county IL I am not new to the tactics of turning out the vote. I don't know if this was enough to change the results or not. It will definately discourage people.

Tom

PamK
11-12-2012, 10:17 AM
I Am wondering why this hasn't been reported by other resources.

This is from the about page of that link:


About Us


Vision To America is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. Founded in 2006 by Gary DeMar and Brandon Vallorani, Vision to America exists to help America return to our Founding Father’s vision for a Christian Republic. America was once a light to the world—a place that God blessed with liberty and prosperity. Today, Americans are taught that the Almighty State has all the answers. As a result, our God-given liberties are being traded for a false sense of security. It is our Vision to see Americans once again recognize that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights and that this Creator is the God of the Bible.

twall
11-12-2012, 01:02 PM
Here is another story inclding comments about the St. Lucie Co FL situation.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/12/florida-declares-west-has-lost-reelection-bid-despite-early-voting/
It sounds like they are attributing it to double counting some votes.

Tom

Gerry Clinchy
11-12-2012, 03:47 PM
At one point, one of the counties in FL was reporting 141% voter turnout. Might indicate a problem?

HPL
11-12-2012, 05:12 PM
At one point, one of the counties in FL was reporting 141% voter turnout. Might indicate a problem?


Only if those "extras" were Republicans.

luvmylabs23139
11-12-2012, 06:24 PM
There was some sort of partial recount on Sunday. What I find very strange it that for the congressional race both candidates lost votes while in the mayors race both candidates gained votes. That in itself should be cause for a full recount.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/nov/11/st-lucie-recount-still-favors-murphy-over-west/
Both West and Murphy lost St. Lucie County votes in Sunday's recount. Compared with earlier figures, West lost 132 and Murphy 667.
Sunday's recount also reversed the lead in the race for mayor of Fort Pierce. Linda Hudson gained 233 votes, putting her ahead of Vince Gaskin, who gained 151 votes

HPL
11-12-2012, 07:15 PM
There was some sort of partial recount on Sunday. What I find very strange it that for the congressional race both candidates lost votes while in the mayors race both candidates gained votes. That in itself should be cause for a full recount.

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/nov/11/st-lucie-recount-still-favors-murphy-over-west/
Both West and Murphy lost St. Lucie County votes in Sunday's recount. Compared with earlier figures, West lost 132 and Murphy 667.
Sunday's recount also reversed the lead in the race for mayor of Fort Pierce. Linda Hudson gained 233 votes, putting her ahead of Vince Gaskin, who gained 151 votes

This kind of thing really does call into question the validity of the vote.

twall
11-12-2012, 07:19 PM
It looks like some of the ballots in St. Lucie County were counted twice.

What bothers me more is the way the story is reported it doesn't sound like those involved with the board of elections are not outraged. It sounds like they are just shrugging their shoulders and hoping not to have to do a bigger recount.

Tom

M&K's Retrievers
11-12-2012, 07:37 PM
I wonder how many times RP voted? :cool:

luvmylabs23139
11-12-2012, 07:44 PM
I wonder how many times RP voted? :cool:

It would be rather amusing to have him back on the board right now.

huntinman
11-12-2012, 08:03 PM
It would be rather amusing to have him back on the board right now.

I don't have enough Excedrin in the medicine cabinet...

murral stark
11-12-2012, 08:26 PM
Voter fraud is about as prevalent as people getting struck by lightning.:cool:

Down East Labs 217
11-12-2012, 08:30 PM
Voter fraud is about as prevalent as people getting struck by lightning.:cool:

This happens every day

Richard

murral stark
11-12-2012, 08:34 PM
This happens every day

Richard

Show me the statistics of how many people get struck by lightning every day?

murral stark
11-12-2012, 08:38 PM
Show me the statistics of how many people get struck by lightning every day?

According to this, odds are 1 in 700,000

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0623_040623_lightningfacts.html

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 09:23 PM
I think you all have found your new poster child!!

Gooser is so happy he can be replaced now..

Dancin in the streets regards!!!:):)

Gooser

murral stark
11-12-2012, 09:55 PM
I think you all have found your new poster child!!

Gooser is so happy he can be replaced now..

Dancin in the streets regards!!!:):)

Gooser
I always wanted to be famous. LOL

MooseGooser
11-12-2012, 10:05 PM
I always wanted to be famous. LOL

Why do you continue to believe everything is about YOU????


Wow

murral stark
11-12-2012, 10:07 PM
Why do you continue to believe everything is about YOU????


Wow

Because I take care of "me and mine" and worry about the things that I have direct control over. The rest of it is just nonsense.

Uncle Bill
11-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Because I take care of "me and mine" and worry about the things that I have direct control over. The rest of it is just nonsense.


Please stop confusing hospitality with endurance.

UB

road kill
11-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Because I take care of "me and mine" and worry about the things that I have direct control over. The rest of it is just nonsense.
Do you have control over your nonsensical posting?
If so..................please adjust accordingly!

Thank you!

MooseGooser
11-13-2012, 12:45 PM
Please stop confusing hospitality with endurance.

UB



HAHAHAHAHAHAHEHEHEhehe!!!

Uncle Bill You are my hero!!:):)

Eric Johnson
11-13-2012, 04:15 PM
According to this, odds are 1 in 700,000

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0623_040623_lightningfacts.html

Which makes voter fraud more common. Let's take just one case. In FL the race between Alan West and his opponent totals about 500,000 votes. There are very definite indications of voter fraud there. For instance, 148% of the registered electorate turned out to vote. The Chief Clerk said that some of the ballots had been counted twice so the count should have gone down...right? Well, it went up a tad.

Pals
11-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Voter fraud is about as prevalent as people getting struck by lightning.:cool:

Come on down to Illinois. Please bring your steel shoes, golf clubs and the special beanie hat with the metal propeller-the one you obviously wear all the time. Oh and don't forget your dogs, because in CHIcaGO they will happily register them to vote. Do be sure and plan your trip around one of our infamous prairie thunderstorms and we will test out your theory of voter fraud.

Thank God you are not a girl.........

Buzz
11-13-2012, 05:15 PM
My wife and I were pleasantly surprised by the high voter turnout in our county, 91%. We were also surprised that so many rebulican congressman were re-elected so strongly and the president won Ohio. Then this comes up:

http://visiontoamerica.com/12872/voter-fraud-obama-won-108-of-registered-voters-in-ohio-county/

And then there is FL:

http://visiontoamerica.com/12878/florida-showing-massive-voter-fraud/

Having grown up in Cook county IL I am not new to the tactics of turning out the vote. I don't know if this was enough to change the results or not. It will definately discourage people.

Tom

I don't suppose you considered the fact that the congressional districts are so extremely gerrymandered that the will of the people is no longer reflected in the house?

No, of course not...

This is what the big wins in the states in 2010 accomplished for you guys. You should count your blessings.

murral stark
11-13-2012, 05:23 PM
Do you have control over your nonsensical posting?
If so..................please adjust accordingly!

Thank you!

Let's not get personal. LOL

murral stark
11-13-2012, 05:24 PM
Come on down to Illinois. Please bring your steel shoes, golf clubs and the special beanie hat with the metal propeller-the one you obviously wear all the time. Oh and don't forget your dogs, because in CHIcaGO they will happily register them to vote. Do be sure and plan your trip around one of our infamous prairie thunderstorms and we will test out your theory of voter fraud.

Thank God you are not a girl.........

Same for you as I posted to Stan. Let's not get personal.

coachmo
11-14-2012, 08:20 AM
Murral,
Everything is personal!!!

menmon
11-14-2012, 10:42 AM
I Am wondering why this hasn't been reported by other resources.

This is from the about page of that link:


About Us


Vision To America is a division of Christian Worldview Communications, LLC. Founded in 2006 by Gary DeMar and Brandon Vallorani, Vision to America exists to help America return to our Founding Father’s vision for a Christian Republic. America was once a light to the world—a place that God blessed with liberty and prosperity. Today, Americans are taught that the Almighty State has all the answers. As a result, our God-given liberties are being traded for a false sense of security. It is our Vision to see Americans once again recognize that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights and that this Creator is the God of the Bible.

Our founding fathers did not have a vision for a Christian Republic. Most were Diest. Furthermore, 19 of them were Masons and Masons do not tell someone how to worship God.

twall
11-14-2012, 11:11 AM
I don't suppose you considered the fact that the congressional districts are so extremely gerrymandered that the will of the people is no longer reflected in the house?

No, of course not...

This is what the big wins in the states in 2010 accomplished for you guys. You should count your blessings.

Buzz,

I do believe gerrymandering is used by both parties. Do I support it? No. Is it a fact of the world we live in? Yes.

As far as 2010 being the deciding factor that may or may not be true. Here in Ohio the only reason we ended up with a Ted Stricklin as governor was the corruption of his republican predecessor Bob Taft.

For the most part, I don't see any politicians as being blessings nor blessings coming from them. My blessings come from the creator of the universe.

When you look at the map that shows how counties voted there is a lot more red than blue. But, the population in those blue counties far outweighs the red.

And, did the snippy little comment really add to the civility of this discussion?

Tom

Blackstone
11-14-2012, 12:57 PM
Actual cases and convictions for voter fraud have been rare. Voter registration fraud is more common.

murral stark
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Murral,
Everything is personal!!!

It doesn't need to be. We can disagree without making it personal.;)

Henry V
11-14-2012, 11:36 PM
I don't suppose you considered the fact that the congressional districts are so extremely gerrymandered that the will of the people is no longer reflected in the house?

No, of course not...

This is what the big wins in the states in 2010 accomplished for you guys. You should count your blessings.

Yes, they should. More people voted for the democrats elected to the house this year than they did for republicans. Without gerrymandering they would have lost the house too. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1114/Should-Nancy-Pelosi-rightfully-be-speaker-of-the-House

But then again, why deal with reality when you can blame the voter fraud phantom.

murral stark
11-14-2012, 11:43 PM
Yes, they should. More people voted for the democrats elected to the house this year than they did for republicans. Without gerrymandering they would have lost the house too. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1114/Should-Nancy-Pelosi-rightfully-be-speaker-of-the-House

But then again, why deal with reality when you can blame the voter fraud phantom.

They'll be after you now. Hunker down after that shot, they will be gunning for ya. Just be sure to fire back. LOL

BonMallari
11-15-2012, 12:15 AM
They'll be after you now. Hunker down after that shot, they will be gunning for ya. Just be sure to fire back. LOL

you know Murral , you seem to get a kick lately of trying to fan the flames around here, many of your posts are from both sides of the fence....some people might even go so far as to say that its talking out of both sides of your mouth.....

POTUS place was designed so people could have some friendly banter back and forth, the forum doesnt need an instigator/agitator, not every thread or column needs to be a shot aimed at someone or the opposite side...not everyone on here is confrontational and we dont need to be choosing up sides on every single issue...let the threads take their natural course to either thrive or wither on their content or merit

murral stark
11-15-2012, 09:08 PM
you know Murral , you seem to get a kick lately of trying to fan the flames around here, many of your posts are from both sides of the fence....some people might even go so far as to say that its talking out of both sides of your mouth.....

POTUS place was designed so people could have some friendly banter back and forth, the forum doesnt need an instigator/agitator, not every thread or column needs to be a shot aimed at someone or the opposite side...not everyone on here is confrontational and we dont need to be choosing up sides on every single issue...let the threads take their natural course to either thrive or wither on their content or merit

Could you tell that to the rest of the board as well. It seems that if I try to be civil, certain people take shots at myself. Not to mention that Menmon, Buzz and Franco get attacked pretty regularly. Let's not have a double standard. It has been my observation here, that if you are singing the praises of the right and slinging mud at the left, that is acceptable. On the other hand, if you speak against the GOP/right, you are confrontational or fanning the fire. Tell the rest of the people to quit making smart arse jabs at people and I will stop as well. Until you address the rest of the members regarding this topic, don't chastise me about it. I have deleted posts and changed wording out of respect for you. I think you are an honorable man, but let's spread the criticism around please.

BonMallari
11-15-2012, 09:52 PM
Could you tell that to the rest of the board as well. It seems that if I try to be civil, certain people take shots at myself. Not to mention that Menmon, Buzz and Franco get attacked pretty regularly. Let's not have a double standard. It has been my observation here, that if you are singing the praises of the right and slinging mud at the left, that is acceptable. On the other hand, if you speak against the GOP/right, you are confrontational or fanning the fire. Tell the rest of the people to quit making smart arse jabs at people and I will stop as well. Until you address the rest of the members regarding this topic, don't chastise me about it. I have deleted posts and changed wording out of respect for you. I think you are an honorable man, but let's spread the criticism around please.


You dont get it do you....I am no one on this board...do not change your posts to try and please me....BUT I do see objectively how you interact with other people.....

You come out with some good talking points, and then in the same exact thread you come across as a condescending idiot....

Talk straight with people in a civil tone and people may talk back straight with you, you try and be clever and you come across as just the opposite....dont alter your posts, own up to them, if you make a mistake or misquote someone admit it...You dont have to be well versed in all subjects on POTUS, but when you make comments on the ones that you are weak at it shows .....

I am not your friend nor am I your enemy, sometimes I think you try to hard to put everyone on here in one category or another...its okay if we are all aquaintances...very few people on here I will hang out with,but even fewer that I will intentionally avoid

Marvin S
11-15-2012, 10:36 PM
Tell the rest of the people to quit making smart arse jabs at people and I will stop as well.

IMO, equating anything you have posted & smart is as big an oxymoron as most of us have ever heard :rolleyes:!!!!!!!! I personally believe Bon to be too forgiving in his posts addressing your behavior or lack thereof on this forum :confused:.

murral stark
11-15-2012, 11:01 PM
IMO, equating anything you have posted & smart is as big an oxymoron as most of us have ever heard :rolleyes:!!!!!!!! I personally believe Bon to be too forgiving in his posts addressing your behavior or lack thereof on this forum :confused:.

And there you have it. Exactly what I was talking about. so to you sir, have a nice day.

Andy Symons
11-15-2012, 11:12 PM
They'll be after you now. Hunker down after that shot, they will be gunning for ya. Just be sure to fire back. LOL

Henry is an easy target being from Minnesota. Most of their delegates went to Ron Paul. Nuff said!!

Gerry Clinchy
04-26-2013, 11:57 AM
The fellas in Indiana have been convicted of forging signatures on the petitions that put Obama and Clinton on the primary ballots. In the case of Clinton, there might still have been enough signatures (without the forgeries) to get her on the ballot. In the case of Obama, that might appear not to have been the case.

In the investigation, even the former Dem governor of Indiana averred that his signature had been forged.

Not being on the Indiana primary ballot might not have made a difference in the ultimate election. However, it occurs to me that if this happened in IN, is it not credible that there were other instances like this throughout the country? IL and Chicago come to mind, of course. Then there are places like CA, NY, and others that could easily have had similar instances.

It is absolutely possible that this same thing could occur with both parties. Maybe we can't stop the fraud in the petitions in time to make a difference. In this case, the whistle-blower waited THREE YEARS before blowing the whistle. However, I think that it makes a good case for requiring a form of voter ID. We should at least try to eliminate the fraud in the actual election. We already know that there are low-information voters who think it's just fine to vote on behalf of other family members (or was that tape of the lady who did so just fabricated?). It was also pretty obvious from some of the election returns that showed more people voting than there were registered voters. I think it was in FL (going from memory) where 145% of the registered voters voted; and there were other overages elsewhere of lesser amounts. If any candidate is winning or losing due to such fraud, it corrupts the whole idea of free elections. We might as well be in any banana republic.

huntinman
04-26-2013, 12:09 PM
Voter ID is just common sense. The ONLY reason to be against it is for opportunities to cheat. You have to show id to buy a pack of smokes for goodness sakes!

Why do you think so many of the left leaning states are going purely to mail - in voting?

Henry V
04-26-2013, 06:28 PM
Voter fraud - another right wing myth that apparently never dies and sure keeps the echo chamber voices animated. When you lose the popular vote in four out of the last five presidential elections I guess that's all you have is excuses. great to see the RNC rehired Rience Pribus given his success in the last election. the party of accountability indeed.
Gerry please review the Florida certified voting results an d tell me where there was a hundred forty five percent of the votes counted. which county?
Bill, which states are going to purely mail in voting?

road kill
04-26-2013, 06:31 PM
Voter fraud - another right wing myth that apparently never dies and sure keeps the echo chamber voices animated. When you lose the popular vote in four out of the last five presidential elections I guess that's all you have is excuses. great to see the RNC rehired Rience Pribus given his success in the last election. the party of accountability indeed.
Gerry please review the Florida certified voting results an d tell me where there was a hundred forty five percent of the votes counted. which county?
Bill, which states are going to purely mail in voting?
I agree, why do the right wing extremists want to disenfranchise fraudulent voters????:shock:

huntinman
04-26-2013, 06:41 PM
Voter fraud - another right wing myth that apparently never dies and sure keeps the echo chamber voices animated. When you lose the popular vote in four out of the last five presidential elections I guess that's all you have is excuses. great to see the RNC rehired Rience Pribus given his success in the last election. the party of accountability indeed.
Gerry please review the Florida certified voting results an d tell me where there was a hundred forty five percent of the votes counted. which county?
Bill, which states are going to purely mail in voting?

Washington and Oregon are two that I know of... When I lived in WA, OR had already been doing it for some time... Anyone can fill out a mail in ballot and send it in... They have no way of knowing...

Gerry Clinchy
04-26-2013, 09:23 PM
Henry, I did more research on the FL item, which was Port St. Lucie district, Allen West's district. There is some dispute about the counting since each voter card had two pages. In theory, that should not have mattered since each "card" should have been counted as one card, regardless of the # of pages to each card. Here are the official voting results
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

[QUOTE][Along with this questionable result, Mr. Obama also received over 99% of the vote (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html) in numerous districts in Broward County. In various districts in Cleveland, he received 100% of the vote (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html). In Florida, Mr. Obama received over 99% of the vote in precincts where GOP inspectors had been removed (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html)./QUOTE]

We do know, I believe, that in certain PA counties (Philadelphia being one) not a single vote was cast for Romney. I find that difficult to believe, since although Philadelphia has a large black population, there are also many other ethnic groups there, and it is hard to imagine that not a single person voted for Romney.

We also saw the tape of the lady who voted for at least 3 other people, and was proud of doing that.

There was also some problem with the electronic voting machines not properly recording the vote as it was cast.

With the sheer number of votes being cast, it seems entirely feasible to me that there is a lot of room for error and fraud.

Marvin S
04-26-2013, 10:23 PM
Voter fraud - another right wing myth that apparently never dies and sure keeps the echo chamber voices animated.

As Global Warming (or is it Climate Change) has been perpetuated by folks making enormous sums of money to continue that hoax - but I would expect it to be more credible in your eyes as it's a left wing hoax.


I live in Pierce County WA - we were forced by a Democratic legislature to go to all mail in voting - our county did not want to & we in the county pay for all election expenses. Maybe you in all your brilliance can pass on the reason why this was mandated?

JDogger
04-26-2013, 11:22 PM
As Global Warming (or is it Climate Change) has been perpetuated by folks making enormous sums of money to continue that hoax - but I would expect it to be more credible in your eyes as it's a left wing hoax.


I live in Pierce County WA - we were forced by a Democratic legislature to go to all mail in voting - our county did not want to & we in the county pay for all election expenses. Maybe you in all your brilliance can pass on the reason why this was mandated?

I suspect Marvin, that the voters of Pierce County WA did this just to piss you off. They are probably hoping that if they piss you off just enough, you may just move away. If your legislature is Democratic and they pass bills you do not agree with...maybe...just maybe, you live in the wrong place. Sorry, minority views are just that... the minority.
Pound sand regards, JD

Oh, BTW :) :)

Henry V
04-26-2013, 11:37 PM
I agree, why do the right wing extremists want to disenfranchise fraudulent voters????:shock: Thanks for adding nothing of substance to the discussion.


Washington and Oregon are two that I know of... When I lived in WA, OR had already been doing it for some time... Anyone can fill out a mail in ballot and send it in... They have no way of knowing... Right, anyone can just mail in a ballot and it will be counted no questions asked. Do you really believe this? That voting officials and the Secretary of State have no concerns about getting an honest vote. If you would care to spend a couple minutes actually investigating how this is done rather than just believing what the right wing entertainment media feeds you, you can look at https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/Pages/vote_by_mail.aspx .
Based on the facts, your understanding of the process is entirely wrong. Your original statement also said that states are moving to purely mail in voting. I found no evidence of this on either Secretary of State website. I did find that they went this way in a special election for one position once or twice and saved the taxpayers millions of dollars in the process. I could not readily find statistics on the percentage of mail in ballot for either state or for “absentee” ballots. Maybe you can find them and send the link?


Henry, I did more research on the FL item, which was Port St. Lucie district, Allen West's district. There is some dispute about the counting since each voter card had two pages. In theory, that should not have mattered since each "card" should have been counted as one card, regardless of the # of pages to each card. Here are the official voting results
http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

[Along with this questionable result, Mr. Obama also received over 99% of the vote (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html) in numerous districts in Broward County. In various districts in Cleveland, he received 100% of the vote (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html). In Florida, Mr. Obama received over 99% of the vote in precincts where GOP inspectors had been removed (http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html)[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Georgia].
We do know, I believe, that in certain PA counties (Philadelphia being one) not a single vote was cast for Romney. I find that difficult to believe, since although Philadelphia has a large black population, there are also many other ethnic groups there, and it is hard to imagine that not a single person voted for Romney.
We also saw the tape of the lady who voted for at least 3 other people, and was proud of doing that.
There was also some problem with the electronic voting machines not properly recording the vote as it was cast.
With the sheer number of votes being cast, it seems entirely feasible to me that there is a lot of room for error and fraud.
You posted preliminary results for one county in Allen West’s district. After several legal actions and a SOS investigation, Allen West lost and conceded after the recount showed him losing by even more votes than the original count http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84017.html

I have no idea of the context of the quote you tried to post.

Regarding the Romney numbers in PA precincts I would refer you to this article from a right winger http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/romney-got-no-votes-in-59-philadelphia-precincts/ Like you, I did not look for the actual data to confirm this story, but if this is the case, don’t you think a Republican that voted for Romney in one of these precincts could easily bring up that he/she cast his/her vote and it was not recorded? Seems like a pretty easy way for someone to confirm voter fraud. I wonder why this did not occur? Did you know that Obama received no votes in some Utah precincts? Does this raise the same level of concern?

Are there cases of voter fraud each election year, sure, by members of both parties; however, all legitimate research on this clearly shows very very little occurs and these actions are of no consequence to any election outcome. Are there errors in counting every year, sure. Neither fraud nor errors are exclusive to one party or another.

One of my favorite factual stories from the last election is the one where the Republican was trying to prove how easy it was to commit voter fraud and was caught and convicted (plead it out). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html

Here are some good reports on the myth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/philadelphia_voter_fraud_is_it_possible_that_barac k_obama_won_100_percent.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/11/20/the-108-ohio-obama-voter-fraud-myth-and-the-recount-petition
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer

With all the right wing propoganda on this issue in two national elections, you would think there would be more evidence than just a handful of cases by now. Why is this not the case?


As Global Warming (or is it Climate Change) has been perpetuated by folks making enormous sums of money to continue that hoax - but I would expect it to be more credible in your eyes as it's a left wing hoax.
I live in Pierce County WA - we were forced by a Democratic legislature to go to all mail in voting - our county did not want to & we in the county pay for all election expenses. Maybe you in all your brilliance can pass on the reason why this was mandated?
Nice attempt at a diversion Marvin. You are right, the scientific community has reached consensus on both climate change and voter fraud. The evidence confirms that climate change is occurring and will likely have serious consequences and that voter fraud is a very minor issue that has never affected the outcome of an election. Yes, as expected you made reference to all those darn gooberment and university scientists making all kinds of money on the climate change scam. Can you send me evidence of this that does not originate on a koch brothers funded website? :) Yes, I totally agree that you should follow the money on the science behind climate change. Guess where that trail will lead you? Researchers studying the atmosphere or the people who make money from burning fossil fuels? Are you slipping?. You failed to also say something about highly paid gooberment union workers.

Regarding mail in voting, this was not clear on your SOS website. How many other counties were also forced? All of them in the state as the other guy suggests? You really need to ask your legislators why they did this. These duly elected officials must have had a reason. I presume to save money. Is there fraud because of this process or are you just unhappy about it? This topic is about fraud and your supporter suggested that all you did was mail in a ballot and anyone can do whatever they want. Is this the case?

Even you must admit that voter fraud of any consequence is a myth that stirs the right wing base as evidenced by this thread and recent posts. Another boogeyman that does not exist. Fine by me, it makes for entertaining reading and distracts the party from searching for real solutions to losing elections. The country would be better off if we all focused more on the real challenges than the ones made up for political posturing.

I’ll just go away now since as you have said “I always leave when I no longer have the upper hand”.

Have a great weekend.

road kill
04-27-2013, 06:08 AM
I agree, why do the right wing extremists want to disenfranchise fraudulent voters????



Thanks for adding nothing of substance to the discussion.



UH HUH.............there is plenty of substance there, of course, you can pretend you don't see it.:cool:

caryalsobrook
04-27-2013, 07:09 AM
Thanks for adding nothing of substance to the discussion.

Right, anyone can just mail in a ballot and it will be counted no questions asked. Do you really believe this? That voting officials and the Secretary of State have no concerns about getting an honest vote. If you would care to spend a couple minutes actually investigating how this is done rather than just believing what the right wing entertainment media feeds you, you can look at https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/Pages/vote_by_mail.aspx .
Based on the facts, your understanding of the process is entirely wrong. Your original statement also said that states are moving to purely mail in voting. I found no evidence of this on either Secretary of State website. I did find that they went this way in a special election for one position once or twice and saved the taxpayers millions of dollars in the process. I could not readily find statistics on the percentage of mail in ballot for either state or for “absentee” ballots. Maybe you can find them and send the link?


You posted preliminary results for one county in Allen West’s district. After several legal actions and a SOS investigation, Allen West lost and conceded after the recount showed him losing by even more votes than the original count http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84017.html

I have no idea of the context of the quote you tried to post.

Regarding the Romney numbers in PA precincts I would refer you to this article from a right winger http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/romney-got-no-votes-in-59-philadelphia-precincts/ Like you, I did not look for the actual data to confirm this story, but if this is the case, don’t you think a Republican that voted for Romney in one of these precincts could easily bring up that he/she cast his/her vote and it was not recorded? Seems like a pretty easy way for someone to confirm voter fraud. I wonder why this did not occur? Did you know that Obama received no votes in some Utah precincts? Does this raise the same level of concern?

Are there cases of voter fraud each election year, sure, by members of both parties; however, all legitimate research on this clearly shows very very little occurs and these actions are of no consequence to any election outcome. Are there errors in counting every year, sure. Neither fraud nor errors are exclusive to one party or another.

One of my favorite factual stories from the last election is the one where the Republican was trying to prove how easy it was to commit voter fraud and was caught and convicted (plead it out). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html

Here are some good reports on the myth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/11/philadelphia_voter_fraud_is_it_possible_that_barac k_obama_won_100_percent.html
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/11/20/the-108-ohio-obama-voter-fraud-myth-and-the-recount-petition
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer

With all the right wing propoganda on this issue in two national elections, you would think there would be more evidence than just a handful of cases by now. Why is this not the case?


Nice attempt at a diversion Marvin. You are right, the scientific community has reached consensus on both climate change and voter fraud. The evidence confirms that climate change is occurring and will likely have serious consequences and that voter fraud is a very minor issue that has never affected the outcome of an election. Yes, as expected you made reference to all those darn gooberment and university scientists making all kinds of money on the climate change scam. Can you send me evidence of this that does not originate on a koch brothers funded website? :) Yes, I totally agree that you should follow the money on the science behind climate change. Guess where that trail will lead you? Researchers studying the atmosphere or the people who make money from burning fossil fuels? Are you slipping?. You failed to also say something about highly paid gooberment union workers.

Regarding mail in voting, this was not clear on your SOS website. How many other counties were also forced? All of them in the state as the other guy suggests? You really need to ask your legislators why they did this. These duly elected officials must have had a reason. I presume to save money. Is there fraud because of this process or are you just unhappy about it? This topic is about fraud and your supporter suggested that all you did was mail in a ballot and anyone can do whatever they want. Is this the case?

Even you must admit that voter fraud of any consequence is a myth that stirs the right wing base as evidenced by this thread and recent posts. Another boogeyman that does not exist. Fine by me, it makes for entertaining reading and distracts the party from searching for real solutions to losing elections. The country would be better off if we all focused more on the real challenges than the ones made up for political posturing.

I’ll just go away now since as you have said “I always leave when I no longer have the upper hand”.

Have a great weekend.

Henry V, with all due respect, let me give you a personal experience. I built a house in 2004 that was in a different county than I had resided. It only took a utility bill and a driver's license to register. Even though I lived in a different county, I lived in the same congressional district and I guarantee you that I could have voted twice had I chosen. Having an address and utilities at my farm, I guarantee you that I could also register to vote here. It is also in a different conty but also in a different congressional district. It would be easy for me to' vote 3 times and as far as that for my son to do so also. On the other side of the coin, let's consider the homeless. Do you think they should be allowed to vote. In what district and how is it to be verified? Just asking.

As to Phillidelphia, 2 precints had 100% vote for Obama with over 18,000 votes. You asked that if someone voted for Romney would they have not have complained. I wonder is over 18,000 people voted for Obama AND NOT ONE MADE A MISTAKE!!! Amazing.

You claim it is not a problem. Let me ask you a question. As a percentage of the total vehicles on the highway, speeders and drunk drivers are relatively small. Do you think that would be so were there not troopers patroling the roads?

For the life of me, I can not undeerstand the objection of having voter verification by anyone. the only conclusion I can come to, is that some want those who are too lazy to register, and those who could care less who is elected, VOTE. Those people are those I would consider to be most willing to sell their vote.

huntinman
04-27-2013, 11:21 AM
Henry, I must admit. You have one really good set of blinders. You are so committed to your left wing ideals, you wouldn't know reality of it walked up up and smacked you in the face. WA state is known for its voter fraud. Any dunce could spend five minutes researching and find plenty of examples.

Having lived there, I am very familiar with the problems out there. Marvin lives there, he is familiar with the problems. You just have to be a total kool aid drinker to say voter fraud is a Myth. Ever hear of Acorn?

Gerry Clinchy
05-03-2013, 02:39 PM
http://townhall.com/columnists/robertknight/2013/05/03/mississippi-lawsuits-could-unleash-votefraud-reform-n1585668/page/full
Voter fraud cases in MS. This is really non-partisan since one of the counties seems to be R-leaning and the other D-leaning. Each county has more registered voters than the census indicates there should be on the voter registration rolls.

These are both rather small counties (population 15,000 in one; 12,000 in the other), so I'd guess local poll workers probably know who died recently. In large cities, the problem is likely magnified.

It occurs to me ... when a registered voter dies, what is the process for notifying their polling place? Is there such a process? Or do they just depend on the fact that the dead person won't show up. Here in PA, if you miss two consecutive elections, you must re-register. That would take care of the people who die. In large cities, if an apartment dweller moves from one address to another, is it possible that they could actually vote at their old address and their new one as well (if they were inclined to voter fraud)?

twall
05-04-2013, 05:35 PM
It occurs to me ... when a registered voter dies, what is the process for notifying their polling place? Is there such a process? Or do they just depend on the fact that the dead person won't show up. Here in PA, if you miss two consecutive elections, you must re-register. That would take care of the people who die. In large cities, if an apartment dweller moves from one address to another, is it possible that they could actually vote at their old address and their new one as well (if they were inclined to voter fraud)?

Gerry,

You are assuming that person doesn't vote after they die!

Tom

Eric Johnson
05-05-2013, 01:05 PM
Henry-

Here are a couple more reports.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92510441

Perry County, AL has something of a history of this. This report is by NPR no less. Then, another report shows that Perry Count has more registered voters than they have people per the census. Of course, other counties were included too, namely Conecuh, Greene, Lowndes, Washington and Wilcox in addition to Perry. Note, that all are Democratic counties.

http://www.al.com/opinion/press-register/editorials.ssf?/base/opinion/1224494160274420.xml
http://dothanfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=229792
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20121023/NEWS/121029939 (Oops...another Alabama county, Hale county)

A further study is written by J Christian Addams and is titled Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Administration. Mr. Adams worked in the section that handled the voter fraud cases in the Dept. of Justice. He is perhaps the most authoritative source on the problem. It's a good book. If you are truly interested in voter fraud issues, you ought to read it.

Need I go on. Voter fraud exists in Alabama.

huntinman
05-05-2013, 01:25 PM
Gerry,

You are assuming that person doesn't vote after they die!

Tom

They don't if they are Republican!

coachmo
05-05-2013, 02:50 PM
I've read posts on here in the past from some of the liberals that assured us that voter fraud was as ficticious as the Easter Bunny; however, it appears (as it always has) that this urban legend does infact exist.

Gerry Clinchy
05-05-2013, 10:22 PM
Gerry,

You are assuming that person doesn't vote after they die!

Tom
Good point!

twall
07-19-2013, 11:48 AM
As a post script: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/19/cincinnati-poll-worker-sentenced-to-5-years-for-voter-fraud-in-presidential/?test=latestnews

At least she is paying for her crime. It is still surprising how bold she is. I don't think it has occurred to her how she has attacked the integrity of the system.

Tom

Gerry Clinchy
07-20-2013, 02:58 PM
As a post script: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/19/cincinnati-poll-worker-sentenced-to-5-years-for-voter-fraud-in-presidential/?test=latestnews

At least she is paying for her crime. It is still surprising how bold she is. I don't think it has occurred to her how she has attacked the integrity of the system.

Tom
That is the greatest sadness, Tom, that our educational system has totally failed to have her understand what it means for every voter to get just one vote. What would she say if others did what she did to make Romney win?

The article mentions that "several dozen" cases are being investigated in Hamilton County alone. We know about the Philadelphia precincts that registered not a single vote for Romney. We also have not heard more about the disparities in registration v. votes cast in Allen West's district in FL.

Do we really think that there is no significant voter fraud? Just like we thought that the IRS was supposed to be apolitical?

huntinman
07-20-2013, 05:15 PM
That is the greatest sadness, Tom, that our educational system has totally failed to have her understand what it means for every voter to get just one vote. What would she say if others did what she did to make Romney win?

The article mentions that "several dozen" cases are being investigated in Hamilton County alone. We know about the Philadelphia precincts that registered not a single vote for Romney. We also have not heard more about the disparities in registration v. votes cast in Allen West's district in FL.

Do we really think that there is no significant voter fraud? Just like we thought that the IRS was supposed to be apolitical?

No... The libs scream over and over that there is no voter fraud... Then stick their heads back in the sand. Much like the claims about media bias towards the left. "We" know it's there... But "they" have the cover of the media. So, like Obama, they just carry on... Nothing to see here.