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Uncle Bill
11-24-2012, 05:01 PM
Recall hom we all said "elections have consequences?" Guess Moonbeam and his batch of marxists just can't wait to flex all their newly acquired power. The only point I'd like to make is, you idiots think this will stop the emmigration of your wealthy? You think they got wealthy by being as stupid as the proletariat? And even if you do manage to 'nail' a few of these wealthy realists that recognize the SFN crowd for what imbeciles they are, how often do you expect your corrupt government 'laws' to work. I'll answer that for you...ONCE...

I can hardly wait for the riots to start. I can about guarantee there will be far more than just the wealthy that will be leaving that God forsaken wasteland.

UB











John Smithton, Sacramento Times

Thursday, November 8, 2012

LOS ANGELES - Democrats, after gaining a two-thirds majority in both the
California Assembly and Senate following Tuesday's election, will be
bringing several new laws forward, all without the need for Republican
votes.
The most striking of these is a bill which would restrict wealthy California
wage earners from leaving the state without facing a large penalty
assessment on their real estate and financial assets.
Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown quickly cautioned that he would take any such
legislation to the voters for ratification, as he did with the temporary tax
increases that voters approved on Tuesday. And Democrat leaders in both the
Senate and Assembly downplayed the idea that they would seek any measures
that would harm California's income tax base.
It is the first time since 1965 that Democrats controlled a Senate
supermajority, and the only time since California voters passed Proposition
13 in 1978, raising the legislative vote threshold to pass tax increases to
two-thirds.
Democrats will control at least 27 seats in the 40-member Senate and also
have a two-thirds margin in the Assembly as well.
"It's time to start anew and to live within our means but at the same time
invest in the cornerstone of our future and of our economy. We need those
fortunate enough with higher incomes to continue paying their fair share,
and if that means making them pay dearly if they decide to leave our state
so be it," Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said in
a telephone interview.
He later told reporters that he favors continued "tax reform" to broaden
California's tax base, but if the wealthy continue leaving the state that
would only place a larger burden on those least able to pay. "I certainly
don't mean to suggest to my fellow Californian's that we are immediately
going to raise more taxes," Steinberg said, to comfort those seeking to
flee. "Any new tax measures will be fair and balanced."
The California Labor Federation on the left and California Republican Party
Chairman Tom Del Beccaro on the right both credited public employee unions,
teacher unions and other core constituencies for electing Democratic
candidates and helping pass Brown's tax increases.
"It is a big deal and we have expectations from our labor friends to raise
revenues." Steinberg said. "That may include additional tax increases, but
also will involve measures to penalize residents for moving out of the
state."
Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, said he was confident that
Democrats have the 54 seats they need for a supermajority in his chamber as
well.
While Steinberg trumpeted his new found ability to bypass Republicans whom
he has called "recalcitrant ... and ideologues," Perez pledged to work with
the minority party even if he could probably ignore them.
"We get the best results when we have a true competition for the best
ideas," Perez said, adding later that, "Having a supermajority was never a
governing imperative. But it makes it much easier for us to pass new
progressive legislation."
State Democrats have also proposed forming a new branch of the state police,
to be known as the "STASI" or "State Team Action to Stem Income" which would
be staffed with volunteers from every community, monitoring residents
contemplating moving out of the state. The staffers would report on
neighbors and family members with moving plans or otherwise acting
suspiciously.
The last time either party gained a supermajority in either chamber was in
the 1976 election, when Democrats won a two-thirds margin in the Assembly.
It would be the first time since 1933 that one party held simultaneous super
majorities.
But Brown said at a Sacramento news conference that it is his role to make
sure legislative members of his own party do not overindulge. He said he
will ensure that California does not spend beyond its means, and wants all
residents to continue living in the state voluntarily.
"Our desires will always outrun the available money," Brown said. "I always
like to think with greater power comes greater responsibility.
On the other hand, we can't have those who helped build our great society
move out of the state willy-nilly"
He hedged when asked directly if he might veto the new legislation when it
arrives on his desk.
"We're not into the threat game here," Brown said.
He also said his relationships with the Legislature are "better than they've
ever been."

2tall
11-24-2012, 05:53 PM
Where do you get this stuff?????? There is no such paper as the "Sacramento Times" that I can find. There is a Sacramento Bee, California Times, a few others, but no such article in any of 'em. I really would like to see this paper to see who is the publisher. This is scary.

murral stark
11-24-2012, 06:46 PM
Recall hom we all said "elections have consequences?" Guess Moonbeam and his batch of marxists just can't wait to flex all their newly acquired power. The only point I'd like to make is, you idiots think this will stop the emmigration of your wealthy? You think they got wealthy by being as stupid as the proletariat? And even if you do manage to 'nail' a few of these wealthy realists that recognize the SFN crowd for what imbeciles they are, how often do you expect your corrupt government 'laws' to work. I'll answer that for you...ONCE...

I can hardly wait for the riots to start. I can about guarantee there will be far more than just the wealthy that will be leaving that God forsaken wasteland.

UB











John Smithton, Sacramento Times

Thursday, November 8, 2012

LOS ANGELES - Democrats, after gaining a two-thirds majority in both the
California Assembly and Senate following Tuesday's election, will be
bringing several new laws forward, all without the need for Republican
votes.
The most striking of these is a bill which would restrict wealthy California
wage earners from leaving the state without facing a large penalty
assessment on their real estate and financial assets.
Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown quickly cautioned that he would take any such
legislation to the voters for ratification, as he did with the temporary tax
increases that voters approved on Tuesday. And Democrat leaders in both the
Senate and Assembly downplayed the idea that they would seek any measures
that would harm California's income tax base.
It is the first time since 1965 that Democrats controlled a Senate
supermajority, and the only time since California voters passed Proposition
13 in 1978, raising the legislative vote threshold to pass tax increases to
two-thirds.
Democrats will control at least 27 seats in the 40-member Senate and also
have a two-thirds margin in the Assembly as well.
"It's time to start anew and to live within our means but at the same time
invest in the cornerstone of our future and of our economy. We need those
fortunate enough with higher incomes to continue paying their fair share,
and if that means making them pay dearly if they decide to leave our state
so be it," Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said in
a telephone interview.
He later told reporters that he favors continued "tax reform" to broaden
California's tax base, but if the wealthy continue leaving the state that
would only place a larger burden on those least able to pay. "I certainly
don't mean to suggest to my fellow Californian's that we are immediately
going to raise more taxes," Steinberg said, to comfort those seeking to
flee. "Any new tax measures will be fair and balanced."
The California Labor Federation on the left and California Republican Party
Chairman Tom Del Beccaro on the right both credited public employee unions,
teacher unions and other core constituencies for electing Democratic
candidates and helping pass Brown's tax increases.
"It is a big deal and we have expectations from our labor friends to raise
revenues." Steinberg said. "That may include additional tax increases, but
also will involve measures to penalize residents for moving out of the
state."
Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, said he was confident that
Democrats have the 54 seats they need for a supermajority in his chamber as
well.
While Steinberg trumpeted his new found ability to bypass Republicans whom
he has called "recalcitrant ... and ideologues," Perez pledged to work with
the minority party even if he could probably ignore them.
"We get the best results when we have a true competition for the best
ideas," Perez said, adding later that, "Having a supermajority was never a
governing imperative. But it makes it much easier for us to pass new
progressive legislation."
State Democrats have also proposed forming a new branch of the state police,
to be known as the "STASI" or "State Team Action to Stem Income" which would
be staffed with volunteers from every community, monitoring residents
contemplating moving out of the state. The staffers would report on
neighbors and family members with moving plans or otherwise acting
suspiciously.
The last time either party gained a supermajority in either chamber was in
the 1976 election, when Democrats won a two-thirds margin in the Assembly.
It would be the first time since 1933 that one party held simultaneous super
majorities.
But Brown said at a Sacramento news conference that it is his role to make
sure legislative members of his own party do not overindulge. He said he
will ensure that California does not spend beyond its means, and wants all
residents to continue living in the state voluntarily.
"Our desires will always outrun the available money," Brown said. "I always
like to think with greater power comes greater responsibility.
On the other hand, we can't have those who helped build our great society
move out of the state willy-nilly"
He hedged when asked directly if he might veto the new legislation when it
arrives on his desk.
"We're not into the threat game here," Brown said.
He also said his relationships with the Legislature are "better than they've
ever been."








You really need to get out of that bubble that the republicans live in. You really do hate anybody that doesn't drink your flavor of cool aid don't yo?. I feel sorry for you to be so angry and disgruntled on a perpetual basis.

Marvin S
11-24-2012, 07:38 PM
You really need to get out of that bubble that the republicans live in. You really do hate anybody that doesn't drink your flavor of cool aid don't yo?. I feel sorry for you to be so angry and disgruntled on a perpetual basis.

U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:

murral stark
11-24-2012, 08:40 PM
U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:

Where did I call him any names? You are an educated man, but need some glasses and a remedial reading comprehension class. There is not one place in that response where I called him any names. He is the king of name calling. Go back and re-read it and show me where I called him names.

The only resource that I have seen him provide is hatred. If that is a valuable resource, I feel sorry for you too.

PMG 131
11-24-2012, 09:19 PM
UB, I hate to tell you this but this article is a hoax. I do however agree that elections have consequences, and just hope this one will not have to bad of ones.

mngundog
11-24-2012, 11:04 PM
U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:
Marvin, the name calling began with the OP calling people on the left idiots "The only point I'd like to make is, you idiots think this will stop the emmigration of your wealthy?", so if you are going to berate someone you may want to start there. As for a valued resource, I find it laughable that anyone that continues to post false articles is a valued resource.

murral stark
11-24-2012, 11:58 PM
Marvin, the name calling began with the OP calling people on the left idiots "The only point I'd like to make is, you idiots think this will stop the emmigration of your wealthy?", so if you are going to berate someone you may want to start there. As for a valued resource, I find it laughable that anyone that continues to post false articles is a valued resource.
Maybe he was reading UB's post and thought it was me doing the name calling.;)

smillerdvm
11-25-2012, 03:49 AM
Recall hom we all said "elections have consequences?" Guess Moonbeam and his batch of marxists just can't wait to flex all their newly acquired power. The only point I'd like to make is, you idiots think this will stop the emmigration of your wealthy? You think they got wealthy by being as stupid as the proletariat? And even if you do manage to 'nail' a few of these wealthy realists that recognize the SFN crowd for what imbeciles they are, how often do you expect your corrupt government 'laws' to work. I'll answer that for you...ONCE...

I can hardly wait for the riots to start. I can about guarantee there will be far more than just the wealthy that will be leaving that God forsaken wasteland.

UB











John Smithton, Sacramento Times

Thursday, November 8, 2012

LOS ANGELES - Democrats, after gaining a two-thirds majority in both the
California Assembly and Senate following Tuesday's election, will be
bringing several new laws forward, all without the need for Republican
votes.
The most striking of these is a bill which would restrict wealthy California
wage earners from leaving the state without facing a large penalty
assessment on their real estate and financial assets.
Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown quickly cautioned that he would take any such
legislation to the voters for ratification, as he did with the temporary tax
increases that voters approved on Tuesday. And Democrat leaders in both the
Senate and Assembly downplayed the idea that they would seek any measures
that would harm California's income tax base.
It is the first time since 1965 that Democrats controlled a Senate
supermajority, and the only time since California voters passed Proposition
13 in 1978, raising the legislative vote threshold to pass tax increases to
two-thirds.
Democrats will control at least 27 seats in the 40-member Senate and also
have a two-thirds margin in the Assembly as well.
"It's time to start anew and to live within our means but at the same time
invest in the cornerstone of our future and of our economy. We need those
fortunate enough with higher incomes to continue paying their fair share,
and if that means making them pay dearly if they decide to leave our state
so be it," Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said in
a telephone interview.
He later told reporters that he favors continued "tax reform" to broaden
California's tax base, but if the wealthy continue leaving the state that
would only place a larger burden on those least able to pay. "I certainly
don't mean to suggest to my fellow Californian's that we are immediately
going to raise more taxes," Steinberg said, to comfort those seeking to
flee. "Any new tax measures will be fair and balanced."
The California Labor Federation on the left and California Republican Party
Chairman Tom Del Beccaro on the right both credited public employee unions,
teacher unions and other core constituencies for electing Democratic
candidates and helping pass Brown's tax increases.
"It is a big deal and we have expectations from our labor friends to raise
revenues." Steinberg said. "That may include additional tax increases, but
also will involve measures to penalize residents for moving out of the
state."
Assembly Speaker John Perez, D-Los Angeles, said he was confident that
Democrats have the 54 seats they need for a supermajority in his chamber as
well.
While Steinberg trumpeted his new found ability to bypass Republicans whom
he has called "recalcitrant ... and ideologues," Perez pledged to work with
the minority party even if he could probably ignore them.
"We get the best results when we have a true competition for the best
ideas," Perez said, adding later that, "Having a supermajority was never a
governing imperative. But it makes it much easier for us to pass new
progressive legislation."
State Democrats have also proposed forming a new branch of the state police,
to be known as the "STASI" or "State Team Action to Stem Income" which would
be staffed with volunteers from every community, monitoring residents
contemplating moving out of the state. The staffers would report on
neighbors and family members with moving plans or otherwise acting
suspiciously.
The last time either party gained a supermajority in either chamber was in
the 1976 election, when Democrats won a two-thirds margin in the Assembly.
It would be the first time since 1933 that one party held simultaneous super
majorities.
But Brown said at a Sacramento news conference that it is his role to make
sure legislative members of his own party do not overindulge. He said he
will ensure that California does not spend beyond its means, and wants all
residents to continue living in the state voluntarily.
"Our desires will always outrun the available money," Brown said. "I always
like to think with greater power comes greater responsibility.
On the other hand, we can't have those who helped build our great society
move out of the state willy-nilly"
He hedged when asked directly if he might veto the new legislation when it
arrives on his desk.
"We're not into the threat game here," Brown said.
He also said his relationships with the Legislature are "better than they've
ever been."






Heeee's Baaaack!!

smillerdvm
11-25-2012, 03:56 AM
U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:

You should really read the posts before you comment on them

Franco
11-25-2012, 08:20 AM
You should really read the posts before you comment on them

Why would he want to start now? ;)

I started to Fact Check this yesterday and then thought, let him live in the world he wants to.

huntinman
11-25-2012, 11:38 AM
Why would he want to start now? ;)

I started to Fact Check this yesterday and then thought, let him live in the world he wants to.

Why not? It's been working well for you...:rolleyes:

Franco
11-25-2012, 12:37 PM
Why not? It's been working well for you...:rolleyes:

Like UB, we all pretty much know how disinterested you are in truth!

Blackstone
11-25-2012, 02:15 PM
U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:

UB is a valued resource? :p:p

JDogger
11-25-2012, 03:03 PM
UB is a valued resource? :p:p

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/coffee_spray1.gif

murral stark
11-25-2012, 06:47 PM
U wonder why many folks on this forum think you to be a tad short on gray stuff? UB is a valued resource to many of us, that you resort to name calling without provocation does not make you any sort of resource :(. FYI it's Kool Aid :eek:

Did you go back and re-read the post so you can point out where I called your "valuable resource" any names. I made this in very large font so you could see it. You see, I am quite a Tartar of a man and refuse to be cloistered by the likes of you, UB, and all of your other yahoos you associate with.

murral stark
11-25-2012, 06:49 PM
Those are some new words that I learned Ken. LOL

BonMallari
11-25-2012, 08:15 PM
so let me get the names straight.....that makes me a rightwing nutjob,homphobe,war monger,misogynist,racist,bigoted yahoo......did I leave any stereo type groups out

murral stark
11-25-2012, 08:26 PM
so let me get the names straight.....that makes me a rightwing nutjob,homphobe,war monger,misogynist,racist,bigoted yahoo......did I leave any stereo type groups out

Didn't mean for you to be included in the group of yahoos I was talking about. Just a select few here that don't like me and the feeling is mutual.

BonMallari
11-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Didn't mean for you to be included in the group of yahoos I was talking about. Just a select few here that don't like me and the feeling is mutual.

thanks but I was called a dog groupie before also...which was kinda cool, even though it wasnt meant that way...I have to admit to the rightwing and yahoo might be correct.....I have been called worse

murral stark
11-25-2012, 09:46 PM
thanks but I was called a dog groupie before also...which was kinda cool, even though it wasnt meant that way...I have to admit to the rightwing and yahoo might be correct.....I have been called worse

I've been called worse too. If my dog could talk, he probably would cal me some names too. LOL

murral stark
11-25-2012, 09:52 PM
Why not? It's been working well for you...:rolleyes:

Typical smart arse response. Never anything of importance, just little quips to make people think you are some how relevant to society. Are you leading a charge to secede TN from the union like some others out there trying to get their state to withdraw? LOL

Ken Bora
11-26-2012, 04:48 PM
Those are some new words that I learned Ken. LOL

kickin' it Murral ! :D

road kill
11-26-2012, 04:55 PM
Didn't mean for you to be included in the group of yahoos I was talking about. Just a select few here that don't like me and the feeling is mutual.
That somehow gives you a pass to call names or make insinuations of charachter?

All righty then............

2tall
11-26-2012, 05:47 PM
What is an insinuation of character? Do you mean that he is insinuating that someone HAS a character?

murral stark
11-26-2012, 05:51 PM
That somehow gives you a pass to call names or make insinuations of charachter?

All righty then............

I figure turn about is fair play. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Some people have been given a pass to call names and they are a "valuable resource". When someone else does the same thing, they are out of line or rude or classless. I have never called you any names and you have not called me any. If you consider yourself one of the group of "yahoos" that I was talking about, then I guess I did call you a name. Old saying, "If the shoe fits, wear it.".

road kill
11-26-2012, 05:51 PM
What is an insinuation of character? Do you mean that he is insinuating that someone HAS a character?
By his standards, poor character.

Because you and I disagree on politics does not lessen eithr's character.
Actions and behavior do that.

Since we largely know little of what each does away from the screen, "who knows what evil lurks........."

I mean besides the Shadow??

Ken Bora
11-26-2012, 05:55 PM
What is an insinuation of character? Do you mean that he is insinuating that someone HAS a character?

do you want to drop the "a" Carol? :D But I think I know what you mean. Like the line from Pulp Fiction, "Some people have character, some people are characters"

2tall
11-26-2012, 06:49 PM
Close enough! But I did consider that he was INDICATING that someone had A character of some sort, no call on what type!;)

Larry Thompson1
11-26-2012, 10:16 PM
What is an insinuation of character? Do you mean that he is insinuating that someone HAS a character?

HaHaHaHa Now thats funny.