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Ken Bora
11-29-2012, 12:25 AM
So POTUS…..
Sadly I am a racing mind type of person. Here it is one fifteen a.m. my time and I am a postin’ in the POTUS. I do not fall asleep easily. I beat myself up over the day just had and make mental lists for the morrow. Over the years I have learned to try stuff to quiet my mind. I was using one of these techniques when the answer to all the problems of the modern world came to me, just now. In one swell foop.

It is the title of the thread. “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us”. Why do some Muslims take up arms against those such as Salman Rushdie, yet Christians do not take up arms against Monty Python? “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us”. Why do we allow faith to be driven out of our schools and town halls and made to take a back seat across the lawn? “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us.” Why do we allow government to mandate what religious institutions need to provide workers, regardless of whether or not they are compatible with the religion itself? “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us.” Why is it when evil strikes us on the face, we turn our other cheek so it also may be struck? “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us.” Why is it when they hack away and take and take and take our guns and our religions and moral values that our Grandparents hammered into us in the woodshed if necessary, that we cling to with our core of beliefs, we let them? “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us”.

Over on the face book I (along with 3-5 million other folks) have the Dalai Lama as a face book friend. Just today he posted about forgiveness and compassion to our fellow man is the way to a calm and healthy lifestyle. “And forgive us our trespasses. As we forgive those who trespass against us.” I bet he and Jesus would have a fine time together.



Our Father who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy name;
Thy Kingdom come
Thy will be done.
On Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil
For thine is the kingdom,
The power and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.

Lesa Cozens Dauphin
11-29-2012, 08:23 AM
Need that LIKE button here!

nice post!!!!!

lesa c

PamK
11-29-2012, 10:06 AM
Are you reflecting on you personal feelings?

Jswann
11-29-2012, 10:25 AM
Great post!!

menmon
11-29-2012, 10:51 AM
The world has changed. I too grew up with these values and I try to apply them to my life here in the city. Evil has always been present but when I lived on the farm and had limited access to the media, I had a different opinion of the world and it was mainly good. Now I hear and see so much, I'm numb to other hardships.

The evils keep evolving to...more dangerous drugs, more dangerous guns, technology that allows for bad doings.

As much as I would like to go back in time, I can't and we have to accept it and help change so that folks are not hurt by it.

See the real truth is back when we thought the world was so good it really was not. The black man you saw in town was not equal to a white man; a woman's work was in the house and if she worked for someone she did not deserve the money a man did; catholic were going to hell; children were being molested by your neighbor but nothing ever got said; etc.

So forgive us for being naive

Jcoop
11-29-2012, 11:53 AM
Great insight Mr. Bora.

Read this somewhere and it also struck me as entirely accurate:

"Christianity is the only religion benevolent enough to preside over its own demise."

Jack Cooper

JDogger
11-29-2012, 08:47 PM
Great insight Mr. Bora.

Read this somewhere and it also struck me as entirely accurate:

"Christianity is the only religion benevolent enough to preside over its own demise."

Jack Cooper

Jack welcome to PP. A member for six years, yet now you choose to post. Curious, JD

Ken Bora
11-29-2012, 09:03 PM
Jack welcome to PP. A member for six years, yet now you choose to post. Curious, JD

I think it's totaly cool. Even signed his name. Welcome to the RTF potus sandbox Jack. a great quote as well. thank you for adding.
you know JD, you and I post to each other a dozen times a day and I do not know your name. Is Dogger your last name?

mngundog
11-29-2012, 09:15 PM
"So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

M&K's Retrievers
11-29-2012, 09:24 PM
"So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

Where is Carl Spackler when you need him?

Ken Bora
11-29-2012, 09:25 PM
....http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2nf6jRr1qSo/UCPc83jpZKI/AAAAAAAAA9k/1CpEMvLqPsk/s1600/billmurray.jpeg

JDogger
11-29-2012, 09:27 PM
I think it's totaly cool. Even signed his name. Welcome to the RTF potus sandbox Jack. a great quote as well. thank you for adding.
you know JD, you and I post to each other a dozen times a day and I do not know your name. Is Dogger your last name?

I don't know about the dozens other then playing them. My name is Hugh Simpson
I live south of Albuquerque about 20 miles in the Middle Rio Grande Valley
in a small village called Los Lunas.
My personna 'JDogger' pays respect to my old friend John Wade who got me involved with this more then twenty years ago. I don't post my dogs in my sig line. They are mine. No one else's.

Ken Bora
11-29-2012, 09:57 PM
Well Hello Hugh
I never knew
you must train with Carol
and her Too Tall Crew.
the next time you have
a virulent spew
I can cry out
Dag Nabbit Hugh!:D

Ken Bora
11-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Are you reflecting on you personal feelings?


I'm in a transitional period ;)

JDogger
11-29-2012, 10:12 PM
Well Hello Hugh
I never knew
you must train with Carol
and her Too Tall Crew.
the next time you have
a virulent spew
I can cry out
Dag Nabbit Hugh!:D

He's a poet, he's a picker
He's a prophet, he's a pusher
He's a pilgrim and a preacher, and a problem when he's stoned
He's a walkin' contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction,
Takin' ev'ry wrong direction on his lonely way back home.
There's a lotta wrong directions on that lonely way back home

Thanks Kris....JD

road kill
11-30-2012, 05:09 AM
He's a poet, he's a picker
He's a prophet, he's a pusher
He's a pilgrim and a preacher, and a problem when he's stoned
He's a walkin' contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction,
Takin' ev'ry wrong direction on his lonely way back home.
There's a lotta wrong directions on that lonely way back home

Thanks Kris....JD
"The Silver Tongued Devil"

I have the album which was also used as the soundtrack for a movie called "Cisco Pike."
It co-starred Gene Hackman and a number over other hollywood hopefuls of the day.
Wavy Gravy, Joy Bang, Karen Black, Antonio Fargas, Harry Dean Stanton, a guy named Franco et al
http://www.moviefone.com/movie/cisco-pike/22627/credits
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/bipbop13/cisco-pike-cover.jpg


Just sayin'............

Matt McKenzie
11-30-2012, 08:11 AM
The world has changed. I too grew up with these values and I try to apply them to my life here in the city. Evil has always been present but when I lived on the farm and had limited access to the media, I had a different opinion of the world and it was mainly good. Now I hear and see so much, I'm numb to other hardships.

The evils keep evolving to...more dangerous drugs, more dangerous guns, technology that allows for bad doings.

As much as I would like to go back in time, I can't and we have to accept it and help change so that folks are not hurt by it.

See the real truth is back when we thought the world was so good it really was not. The black man you saw in town was not equal to a white man; a woman's work was in the house and if she worked for someone she did not deserve the money a man did; catholic were going to hell; children were being molested by your neighbor but nothing ever got said; etc.

So forgive us for being naive

It's not the drugs or the guns or evolving technology that are evil. Blaming the drugs or the guns or the technology rather than the perpetrators of evil is evil in itself. One man's opinion.

menmon
11-30-2012, 10:53 AM
It's not the drugs or the guns or evolving technology that are evil. Blaming the drugs or the guns or the technology rather than the perpetrators of evil is evil in itself. One man's opinion.

That was not my point...albeit these things are worse than back then....they existed then too just as bad but we did not have access to it.