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paul young
12-18-2012, 11:38 AM
So how do we move towards making our schools safe?

I think we all recognize that with enough resources at their disposal an evil person will always be able to wreak havoc on society, but how do we stop the kind of nut that so recently killed so many in such a short time?

Here are some of my ideas, But I admit they are expensive;

bullet proof glass on all windows and doors, including interior fire doors.

doors sheathed with and locks made of armor grade steel.

once school is in session, ingress and egress thru a bomb proof room only, with the inner and outer doors on an interlock system. ( IF ONE IS OPEN, THE OTHER IS LOCKED) This room would be managed by an armed security guard in body armor. He or she buzzes you in, locks the outer door, orders "hands on the wall, spread your legs". once that is complied with, he enters the room and the door locks behind him. if it is determined that you are not a threat, you are permitted to enter.

In short, make them a fortress.-Paul

BonMallari
12-18-2012, 12:08 PM
I dont think we even have to that far.....When I was in HS we had a closed campus, students were not allowed to come and go without a pass, Nowadays its way too easy to get on many campuses...the quicker and more cost effective fix might be to have a police officer on duty at a school during school hours, not some mall cop with a security uniform, wearing a walkie talkie and carrying a can of mace

We waste so much money on specialists for every dept in our schools ( I know because my son's mother used to be one) but we spend virtually nothing on school security, maybe we dont need 3 assistant principals,2 reading specialists,2 bilingual specialists, and a special education teacher...thats 8 staff salaries that could be redistributed into two full time officers

luvmylabs23139
12-18-2012, 12:14 PM
So how do we move towards making our schools safe?

I think we all recognize that with enough resources at their disposal an evil person will always be able to wreak havoc on society, but how do we stop the kind of nut that so recently killed so many in such a short time?

Here are some of my ideas, But I admit they are expensive;

bullet proof glass on all windows and doors, including interior fire doors.

doors sheathed with and locks made of armor grade steel.

once school is in session, ingress and egress thru a bomb proof room only, with the inner and outer doors on an interlock system. ( IF ONE IS OPEN, THE OTHER IS LOCKED) This room would be managed by an armed security guard in body armor. He or she buzzes you in, locks the outer door, orders "hands on the wall, spread your legs". once that is complied with, he enters the room and the door locks behind him. if it is determined that you are not a threat, you are permitted to enter.

In short, make them a fortress.-Paul

NOw the building may be a fortess against a gunman but you just created a new issue. It has also become so secure that it would be very hard for firefighters to get in should a major fire breakout in the building. No easy way for even people on the inside to break out windows for air or escape. Just saying.

gmhr1
12-18-2012, 12:16 PM
My daughter has a security staff plus an armed city policeman that is on their campus.

Buzz
12-18-2012, 12:49 PM
I just drove past an elementary school on my way to lunch. A couple hundred kids out playing in the schoolyard, all around the age of those massacred last week.

So, do we keep those kids indoors from now on?

I HATE the idea of making schools into fortresses. It's terrible for kids to have to grow up in such an atmosphere of fear and distrust.

If you look at what has happened to mental health in my lifetime you would see institutions closed down. You cannot force them to stay on medications. Homeless shelters full of them. Families having to figure out on their own what to do with them and how to deal with them.

I know the drill. I have a sister who is diagnosed with manic depression. She is good when she is on her medication. Good luck keeping her on it. The law and mental health is as useless as tits on a boar.

road kill
12-18-2012, 12:55 PM
I just drove past an elementary school on my way to lunch. A couple hundred kids out playing in the schoolyard, all around the age of those massacred last week.

So, do we keep those kids indoors from now on?

I HATE the idea of making schools into fortresses. It's terrible for kids to have to grow up in such an atmosphere of fear and distrust.

If you look at what has happened to mental health in my lifetime you would see institutions closed down. You cannot force them to stay on medications. Homeless shelters full of them. Families having to figure out on their own what to do with them and how to deal with them.

I know the drill. I have a sister who is diagnosed with manic depression. She is good when she is on her medication. Good luck keeping her on it. The law and mental health is as useless as tits on a boar.
DITTO Buzz.
In my thread "The Real Issue" we are discussing clinical and manic depression.

Tough issue.
zeuss has some good insight, I would be curious as to yours.

TCFarmer
12-18-2012, 06:26 PM
Why don't we put a couple of guns in a locked safe and teach the teachers and staff how to properly use them.

Only one of these public shootings has happened in a place that was not a "Gun Free Zone" that was the shooting of Gabby Giffords.

The Aurora shooter had half a dozen theaters within 20 minutes of his house to choose from. He ended up at the only one that is a gun free zone.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

M&K's Retrievers
12-18-2012, 06:45 PM
I just drove past an elementary school on my way to lunch. A couple hundred kids out playing in the schoolyard, all around the age of those massacred last week.

So, do we keep those kids indoors from now on?

I HATE the idea of making schools into fortresses. It's terrible for kids to have to grow up in such an atmosphere of fear and distrust.

If you look at what has happened to mental health in my lifetime you would see institutions closed down. You cannot force them to stay on medications. Homeless shelters full of them. Families having to figure out on their own what to do with them and how to deal with them.

I know the drill. I have a sister who is diagnosed with manic depression. She is good when she is on her medication. Good luck keeping her on it. The law and mental health is as useless as tits on a boar.

What would everyone be talking about had that murderer driven his mothers car into the schoolyard full of children killing 27 kids and teachers? All they would be talking about is how this poor kid fells through the cracks in the system.

luvmylabs23139
12-18-2012, 07:36 PM
Here's another thing. Why does everyone keep saying the guns he used in this crime were legally purchased?
They were stolen. He stole the from his mother. He did not purchase them legally.
Would the converation even be the same if this was kids outside during recess in the inner city caught in the crossfire of a gang war?

huntinman
12-18-2012, 10:44 PM
Why don't we put a couple of guns in a locked safe and teach the teachers and staff how to properly use them.

Only one of these public shootings has happened in a place that was not a "Gun Free Zone" that was the shooting of Gabby Giffords.

The Aurora shooter had half a dozen theaters within 20 minutes of his house to choose from. He ended up at the only one that is a gun free zone.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

If the Newtown school had guns in a locked safe, they would still be sitting there nice and safe. It happened too quick. The guns need to be readily available... As in on your person...

charly_t
12-19-2012, 01:36 AM
If the Newtown school had guns in a locked safe, they would still be sitting there nice and safe. It happened too quick. The guns need to be readily available... As in on your person...

Agree 100%. I think if a teacher wants to carry and has trained that they should be allowed to do so. I feel that teachers who are engaged in teaching are very poor at seeing things outside of the kids in their room. I feel that we need someone who is on the look out for a problem at all times. Plus, there are schools where some kids would try to take the gun away from a teacher ( and probably get it done ). More than one problem to be solved with how this is handled.

Ken Bora
12-19-2012, 08:13 AM
Here's another thing. Why does everyone keep saying the guns he used in this crime were legally purchased?
They were stolen. He stole the from his mother. He did not purchase them legally......

This is a huge issue I have with this fiasco. I think all of us know or know of somebody with respiratory illness. Who are using oxygen in the home. These people do not allow smoking in the home. Oxygen plus lit flame equals boom. On occasion some of these people are stupid and a home explodes. The lit flame or cigarette is never chastised.
Now mental illness is just like respiratory illness. Just because we cannot see the brain cough and hack don’t mean in isn’t. This home should not have had guns left about. Mental illness plus guns equals boom!

charly_t
12-19-2012, 12:54 PM
.................................................. .................................................. .........................Mental illness plus guns equals boom![/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

I think you have it right. I believe that mental illness and retardation are very good reasons for removing guns from that person's reach. A lot of people with those problems are not thinking clearly a lot of the time.
Even though people tell us that some of these people are super smart they may not have any judgement capacity to go along with that high I.Q. It's a recipe for something bad ( to happen ).

P.S. I have wondered if the mother was in fear for her life and that was part of the reason for her guns. I can't imagine a mother in her right mind shooting her child but some family members have had to defend themselves against a family member that they loved.

gmhr1
12-19-2012, 01:40 PM
If she was fearful the guns should have been locked in a gun safe and he shouldnt have had the combination. They say the motive was she was in the process of having him committed .

charly_t
12-19-2012, 06:41 PM
If she was fearful the guns should have been locked in a gun safe and he shouldnt have had the combination. They say the motive was she was in the process of having him committed ...


I had never heard how those guns were kept. That said with his I.Q. he probably had figured out how to get the combination. I have no knowledge of modern gun cabinets/safes.