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Uncle Bill
01-12-2013, 10:49 AM
Are you people just tied into emotion, with zero recognition about facts? That's so typical of Democrats/lefties/socialists. Is there no hope for you to give some of these problems actual thought and reasoning? Try this on for size.

UB

Betcha don't see or hear this info out of D.C. these days…









From the World Health Organization:





The latest Murder Statistics for the world:




Murders per 100,000 citizens



Honduras 91.6

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3


Malawi 36.0


Lesotho 35.2


Trinidad and Tobago 35.2


Colombia 33.4


South Africa 31.8


Congo 30.8


Central African Republic 29.3


Bahamas 27.4


Puerto Rico 26.2


Saint Lucia 25.2


Dominican Republic 25.0


Tanzania 24.5


Sudan 24.2


Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9


Ethiopia 22.5


Guinea 22.5


Dominica 22.1


Burundi 21.7


Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7


Panama 21.6


Brazil 21.0


Equatorial Guinea 20.7


Guinea-Bissau 20.2


Kenya 20.1


Kyrgyzstan 20.1


Cameroon 19.7


Montserrat 19.7


Greenland 19.2


Angola 19.0


Guyana 18.6


Burkina Faso 18.0


Eritrea 17.8


Namibia 17.2


Rwanda 17.1


Mexico 16.9


Chad 15.8


Ghana 15.7


Ecuador 15.2


North Korea 15.2


Benin 15.1


Sierra Leone 14.9


Mauritania 14.7


Botswana 14.5


Zimbabwe 14.3


Gabon 13.8


Nicaragua 13.6


French Guiana 13.3


Papua New Guinea 13.0


Swaziland 12.9


Bermuda 12.3


Comoros 12.2


Nigeria 12.2


Cape Verde 11.6


Grenada 11.5


Paraguay 11.5


Barbados 11.3


Togo 10.9


Gambia 10.8


Peru 10.8


Myanmar 10.2


Russia 10.2


Liberia 10.1


Costa Rica 10.0


Nauru 9.8


Bolivia 8.9


Mozambique 8.8


Kazakhstan 8.8


Senegal 8.7


Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7


Mongolia 8.7


British Virgin Islands 8.6


Cayman Islands 8.4


Seychelles 8.3


Madagascar 8.1


Indonesia 8.1


Mali 8.0


Pakistan 7.8


Moldova 7.5


Kiribati 7.3


Guadeloupe 7.0


Haiti 6.9


Timor-Leste 6.9


Anguilla 6.8


Antigua and Barbuda 6.8


Lithuania 6.6


Uruguay 5.9


Philippines 5.4


Ukraine 5.2


Estonia 5.2


Cuba 5.0


Belarus 4.9


Thailand 4.8


Suriname 4.6


Laos 4.6


Georgia 4.3


Martinique 4.2





And





The United States = 4.2





ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans

caryalsobrook
01-12-2013, 02:20 PM
You can't let facts stand in the way of preconceived logic.

Gerry Clinchy
01-12-2013, 03:53 PM
Stunning ... very surprised to see so many in So America and Caribbean with higher incidence than places like Congo or Sudan, where anarchy is pretty much the situation there.

Did they have UK figures? Didn't see them above.

huntinman
01-12-2013, 04:36 PM
Stunning ... very surprised to see so many in So America and Caribbean with higher incidence than places like Congo or Sudan, where anarchy is pretty much the situation there.

Did they have UK figures? Didn't see them above.

Guns are not banned 100% there. Folks hunt... Etc...

HPL
01-12-2013, 04:46 PM
Guns are not 100% banned in Kenya either. There is a procedure to legally own guns but it must be pretty onerous as out of a population of a bit over 43 million, there are only about 5000 legal civilian gun owners. Same basic thing in Tanzania. Approx 70,000 licensed private gun owners there in a population of about 41.2 million. Those are the only two countries on the list that I checked on and as you can see the statement at the bottom of UB's post overstates the facts a bit. I think it would probably be more accurate to say that in all those countries above the US in that list, firearm ownership is very strictly regulated to little effect. I really think that it is counterproductive to promulgate what turn out to be at least partially false statements to support one's position. Please be careful about what you pass on. If the general premise is correct, but some of the facts are overstated, please correct that before passing on.

mngundog
01-12-2013, 05:31 PM
Guns are not banned 100% there. Folks hunt... Etc...
Hold the phone you aren't insinuating that UB is posting a bunch of lies again? And again, and again, and again. How moronic is it to post thread after thread of lies?

huntinman
01-12-2013, 05:37 PM
Hold the phone you aren't insinuating that UB is posting a bunch of lies again? And again, and again, and again. How moronic is it to post thread after thread of lies?

No, I wasn't saying anything of the sort.

mngundog
01-12-2013, 05:45 PM
No, I wasn't saying anything of the sort.
Well thanks for calling him out on the lie, its a start. :D

huntinman
01-12-2013, 06:19 PM
Well thanks for calling him out on the lie, its a start. :D

Evidently, you are having a problem with your reading glasses. UK is not on the list.

mngundog
01-12-2013, 06:22 PM
Guns are not banned 100% there. Folks hunt... Etc...
Sorry, I thought you were talking about all the Countries on his list were guns are not banned.

HPL
01-12-2013, 07:06 PM
Sorry, I thought you were talking about all the Countries on his list were guns are not banned.

I think that you are actually thinking about my post, and although I pointed out that some of the stats on UB's post were a bit over stated, I was not calling him a liar, just asking that people do a little fact checking before posting and then perhaps moderating what they are posting.

mngundog
01-12-2013, 07:15 PM
I think that you are actually thinking about my post, and although I pointed out that some of the stats on UB's post were a bit over stated, I was not calling him a liar, just asking that people do a little fact checking before posting and then perhaps moderating what they are posting.
If this was his first or second offense sure I would agree with you, however UB repeatedly posts false threads on this forum and tells lies to go with them, that makes him a liar in my book. I have little respect for those like him, not the way I was raised.

Uncle Bill
01-12-2013, 07:17 PM
Sorry, I thought you were talking about all the Countries on his list were guns are not banned.

Hey You two-bit weasel. Get a life. If you don't like my posts, like I've told you many times, put me on ignore. But like most morons, they prefer to jabb away, until they get their ass kicked, and then they wonder why. Thius will be the final time I ever answer any of your ignorant posts, not because I don't want to, but sliding down to your level of communication is just plain stupid.

UB

mngundog
01-12-2013, 07:38 PM
Hey You two-bit weasel. Get a life. If you don't like my posts, like I've told you many times, put me on ignore. But like most morons, they prefer to jabb away, until they get their ass kicked, and then they wonder why. Thius will be the final time I ever answer any of your ignorant posts, not because I don't want to, but sliding down to your level of communication is just plain stupid.

UB
How about you just begin by not posting lies, that would be a great start. :D

Pete
01-12-2013, 07:49 PM
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981827383

Guns make me less safe

Gerry Clinchy
01-12-2013, 11:34 PM
The ex-Marine in this video on the Piers Morgan show is the same fellow who sent the polite letter to Senator Feinstein. He's quite articulate, and he made his point to Morgan.
http://nation.foxnews.com/piers-morgan/2013/01/10/no-mam-marine-calmly-smokes-piers-morgan