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Pete
01-17-2013, 12:36 AM
"Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity ... In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society ... "
Antonio Gramsci (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWgramsci.htm) (1891-1937) Italian communist and "class warrior" (1915)
Sound familiar
Pete

zeus3925
01-17-2013, 09:34 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is an old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys.

road kill
01-17-2013, 09:35 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys.
Actually, what is going on in America right now was invented by a bunch of left wing looneys!!!!
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huntinman
01-17-2013, 09:38 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is an old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys.

The dog that barks loudest stole the bone.

M&K's Retrievers
01-17-2013, 10:21 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is an old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys.

Sarge, just what exactly do you like about King Barack and his agenda? What has he fixed? Are things better now that he has run roughshod through the Constitution?

zeus3925
01-17-2013, 11:02 AM
Obama's evasion of the Constitution is a ginned up myth. Things are a lot better than when "W" left office. ( "W" must be a real loser even for GOPpers. They get this knee jerk, " He ain't POTUS now reaction". It seems like they want to forget him as a side note to history. I can't say that I blame them --I'd like to forget him too.)

The auto industry is on a strong rebound. There is news weekly about new jobs associated with the auto industry. Read the business section of the Detroit Free press if you wish for verification. Here's a link:
http://www.freep.com/

Infrastructure is getting rebuilt. The economy is on a rebound. Bin Laden is counting the fish in the Indian Ocean. Lots of the little al Qaeda sesquiculi are pushing up daisies and cactus. When "Dubya" had his chance to get those dudes his response was " What, me worry? As for an invasion of fundemental liberties let's consider the Patriot Act.

road kill
01-17-2013, 11:05 AM
Obama's evasion of the Constitution is a ginned up myth. Things are a lot better than when "W" left office. ( "W" must be a real loser even for GOPpers. They get this knee jerk, " He ain't POTUS now reaction". It seems like they want to forget him as a side note to history. I can't say that I blame them --I'd like to forget him too.)

The auto industry is on a strong rebound. There is news weekly about new jobs associated with the auto industry. Read the business section of the Detroit Free press if you wish for verification. Here's a link:
http://www.freep.com/

Infrastructure is getting rebuilt. The economy is on a rebound. Bin Laden is counting the fish in the Indian Ocean. Lots of the little al Qaeda sesquiculi are pushing up daisies and cactus. Really, what's up in Algeria??? When "Dubya" had his chance to get those dudes his response was " What, me worry?" As for an invasion of fundemental liberties let's consider the Patriot Act.
I missed it, when did he say that?
Or, are you exaggerating to bolster you lame point?

Pete
01-17-2013, 11:12 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is an old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys

That's the way its supposed to be. No general broadcasts his every move in a covert operation. I can find you a quote from TJ about internation bank interference.

It happens slowly,,,obama is just a sliver of time.
When someone thinks something is fishy they are discredited by the media,,,works great.
here is a real conspiracy nut,,,,,Ez 22: 22-25
he too thought people were trying to gather the wealth in a conspiracy .

NAFTA will be good for america,,,a thousand points of light regard
Pete

M&K's Retrievers
01-17-2013, 11:22 AM
Obama's evasion of the Constitution is a ginned up myth. Things are a lot better than when "W" left office. ( "W" must be a real loser even for GOPpers. They get this knee jerk, " He ain't POTUS now reaction". It seems like they want to forget him as a side note to history. I can't say that I blame them --I'd like to forget him too.)

The auto industry is on a strong rebound. Stockholders might disagree There is news weekly about new jobs associated with the auto industry. Read the business section of the Detroit Free press if you wish for verification. Here's a link:
http://www.freep.com/

Infrastructure is getting rebuilt.Just what does that mean? The economy is on a rebound. Yeah Buddy. It's rocking and rolling now. Bin Laden is counting the fish in the Indian Ocean. So what? He was a dead man anyway. Lots of the little al Qaeda sesquiculi are pushing up daisies and cactus. In spite of Obama. When "Dubya" had his chance to get those dudes his response was " What, me worry? As for an invasion of fundemental liberties let's consider the Patriot Act.

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Dan Storts
01-17-2013, 11:32 AM
The auto industry better rebound because the average age of a vehicle on the road is 11 years old. Combine that with a weak dollar and low interest rates makes them actually lower in cost than in the past.

huntinman
01-17-2013, 11:36 AM
Obama's evasion of the Constitution is a ginned up myth. Things are a lot better than when "W" left office. ( "W" must be a real loser even for GOPpers. They get this knee jerk, " He ain't POTUS now reaction". It seems like they want to forget him as a side note to history. I can't say that I blame them --I'd like to forget him too.)

The auto industry is on a strong rebound. There is news weekly about new jobs associated with the auto industry. Read the business section of the Detroit Free press if you wish for verification. Here's a link:
http://www.freep.com/

Infrastructure is getting rebuilt. The economy is on a rebound. Bin Laden is counting the fish in the Indian Ocean. Lots of the little al Qaeda sesquiculi are pushing up daisies and cactus. When "Dubya" had his chance to get those dudes his response was " What, me worry? As for an invasion of fundemental liberties let's consider the Patriot Act.

Sarge, you must not watch the news... Ever hear of a little place called Libya? Remember we had an Embassy there... With real live Americans in it.... I know that's not very important to most of you libs. But al-quaeda had more than a passing interest in what happened there. Unfortunately, our lame excuse of a president does not.

M&K's Retrievers
01-17-2013, 11:36 AM
The auto industry better rebound because the average age of a vehicle on the road is 11 years old. Combine that with a weak dollar and low interest rates makes them actually lower in cost than in the past.

Glad to know I'm at least average. 2001 F-250 with 295,000 miles, all my dollars are weak and no interest. :D

BonMallari
01-17-2013, 11:47 AM
Glad to know I'm at least average. 2001 F-250 with 295,000 miles, all my dollars are weak and no interest. :D

2001 Nissan Pathfinder...very clean...and I am the one they profile as a migrant...I can understand when I had the Suburban

zeus3925
01-17-2013, 11:55 AM
The auto industry better rebound because the average age of a vehicle on the road is 11 years old. Combine that with a weak dollar and low interest rates makes them actually lower in cost than in the past.

The difference is you still have a choice to buy American instead of a rice burner. Or maybe you'd be impressed with a Geely, Chery, Hafei, or Jianghuai in your future. As for the stockholders, the old GM was so mismanaged that they would have lost every dime they put in as it went belly up anyway. Besides, they had their opportunity to buy Ford.

zeus3925
01-17-2013, 12:02 PM
Sarge, you must not watch the news... Ever hear of a little place called Libya? Remember we had an Embassy there... With real live Americans in it.... I know that's not very important to most of you libs. But al-quaeda had more than a passing interest in what happened there. Unfortunately, our lame excuse of a president does not.

You know you aren't going to get the all the deer in the woods on opening day. There are some that are going to get by you even though you may have Super Hunter tattooed on your chest in blaze orange.

Besides I ain't no Lib. You want to see a real Lib I'll have my wife start posting. You'll be sorry--she comes with a tart Irish tongue.

huntinman
01-17-2013, 12:30 PM
Not going to get any of them if you have your hand over your eyes and ears like the "see no evil, hear no evil" monkeys. It's a pattern with these guys in the WH. Fast & Furious, Libya on 9/11. Nothing happening here, just move along.

smillerdvm
01-17-2013, 12:33 PM
Sarge, you must not watch the news... Ever hear of a little place called Libya? Remember we had an Embassy there... With real live Americans in it.... I know that's not very important to most of you libs. But al-quaeda had more than a passing interest in what happened there. Unfortunately, our lame excuse of a president does not.

I can assume that you understand that this {Libya} is a high risk war zone where a good percentage hates all Americans. In those environments bad things can and do happen as shown by the terrorist attack that resulted in the tragic loss of 4 American lives.
I also assume you are awarethat it wasnt BO who createdthat environment but rather W.

Are you aware that under W's watch there were numerous of these type of attacks resulting in the loss of 60 American lives.
I dont recall seeing you expressing any outrage at those unfortunate tragic incidents occurring on Ws watch in Ws war

huntinman
01-17-2013, 12:38 PM
I can assume that you understand that this {Libya} is a high risk war zone where a good percentage hates all Americans. In those environments bad things can and do happen as shown by the terrorist attack that resulted in the tragic loss of 4 American lives.
I also assume you are awarethat it wasnt BO who createdthat environment but rather W.

Are you aware that under W's watch there were numerous of these type of attacks resulting in the loss of 60 American lives.
I dont recall seeing you expressing any outrage at those unfortunate tragic incidents occurring on Ws watch in Ws war

I ASSUME you are aware that when President Bush was in charge we responded to these type of attacks with force as opposed to multi-week apologies?

If not pull your head out.

Gerry Clinchy
01-17-2013, 12:55 PM
Obama's evasion of the Constitution is a ginned up myth.

Making a unilateral decision to not enforce portions of the Immigration Law?

Things are a lot better than when "W" left office. ( "W" must be a real loser even for GOPpers. They get this knee jerk, " He ain't POTUS now reaction". It seems like they want to forget him as a side note to history. I can't say that I blame them --I'd like to forget him too.)

This argument is always the fallback position ... BO isn't as bad as GW. Well, if the Dems feel that GW was so awful, that's not saying alot about how much better BO is. If I get a D in American History, that is certainly better than an F ... but it's still a long way from getting an A and really knowing something about American History.

The auto industry is on a strong rebound. There is news weekly about new jobs associated with the auto industry. Read the business section of the Detroit Free press if you wish for verification. Here's a link:
http://www.freep.com/

I don't have the link handy, but the auto industry, GM especially, did NOT have a good year in 2012. When the economy is bad, people will avoid buying a new car as long as feasible. And when they do decide on a change, they might be giving more consideration to a used car this time.


Infrastructure is getting rebuilt.

Not so sure about that, but I have no link.

The economy is on a rebound. Bin Laden is counting the fish in the Indian Ocean. Lots of the little al Qaeda sesquiculi are pushing up daisies and cactus.

The situation in Mali might NOT be a good example of this. In fact, the Islamists there are actually building "infrastructure" to carve out their own country there. Collecting weapons from the old Gadafi stockpikes; building tunnels and stockpiling military weapons. Each time one supposedly important "bad guy" is erased, others take their places.

JMHO, I think BO also screwed up with Libya and Egypt. Mali might turn out to truly be "Obama's War".


When "Dubya" had his chance to get those dudes his response was " What, me worry? As for an invasion of fundemental liberties

let's consider the Patriot Act.


... which BO has continued. Does that mean it was a really a good thing after all?


I give GW some good marks for always being respectful to the military personnel and for his programs for fighting AIDS in Africa.

zeus3925
01-17-2013, 02:09 PM
Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.

Down East Labs 217
01-17-2013, 02:38 PM
I can assume that you understand that this {Libya} is a high risk war zone where a good percentage hates all Americans. In those environments bad things can and do happen as shown by the terrorist attack that resulted in the tragic loss of 4 American lives.
I also assume you are awarethat it wasnt BO who createdthat environment but rather W.

Are you aware that under W's watch there were numerous of these type of attacks resulting in the loss of 60 American lives.
I dont recall seeing you expressing any outrage at those unfortunate tragic incidents occurring on Ws watch in Ws war

Holy Cow.

I new Libya was G.W.'s fault. It just took a while for one of our great Libs to state it. After four years we still blame GW for the current regimes failures. AMAZING

My Opinion

Richard

road kill
01-17-2013, 02:47 PM
Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.
Really???


How the hell did we end up in Viet Nam then?????

Gerry Clinchy
01-17-2013, 07:18 PM
Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.

We are already lending some assistance there ... like Stan, I'm having deja vu WRT Nam.

smillerdvm
01-18-2013, 07:34 AM
I ASSUME you are aware that when President Bush was in charge we responded to these type of attacks with force as opposed to multi-week apologies?

If not pull your head out.
Really!!

So though you seemingly werent even aware that there were way more of these attacks on Bush's watch resulting in many more American deaths. However you apparently have become informed as to every detail of the numerous attacks under Bush.

I get all warm and tingly when I read about his success in getting Osama Bin Laden,,,,,,,,,,............OH WAIT........OOPS>>>>>>NEVERMIND
Care to share those details of how he hunted down and brought to justice every one of the guilty parties. It must have been pretty impressive for you and all the other Bush apologists to have given him a pass for all these attacks; while screaming impeachment for the one that occorred on BOs watch.

How Do you think Bush's decision to respond with force in Iran worked out for us?

I also missed out on Obamas "Multi-week apologies", so bring me up to speed on that also, so as to help "get my head out" and be as objectively informed as others hear in the echo chamber

Franco
01-18-2013, 07:56 AM
Really???


How the hell did we end up in Viet Nam then?????

Because we stuck our nose where it didn't belong driven by paranoia and and the military industrial complex who's lobby in DC is uncontrollable. They owned Robert McNamara!

huntinman
01-18-2013, 07:56 AM
Really!!

So though you seemingly werent even aware that there were way more of these attacks on Bush's watch resulting in many more American deaths. However you apparently have become informed as to every detail of the numerous attacks under Bush.

I get all warm and tingly when I read about his success in getting Osama Bin Laden,,,,,,,,,,............OH WAIT........OOPS>>>>>>NEVERMIND
Care to share those details of how he hunted down and brought to justice every one of the guilty parties. It must have been pretty impressive for you and all the other Bush apologists to have given him a pass for all these attacks; while screaming impeachment for the one that occorred on BOs watch.

How Do you think Bush's decision to respond with force in Iran worked out for us?

I also missed out on Obamas "Multi-week apologies", so bring me up to speed on that also, so as to help "get my head out" and be as objectively informed as others hear in the echo chamber

Are you and JDogger twins separated at birth?

Franco
01-18-2013, 08:09 AM
Are you and JDogger twins separated at birth?

You wouldn't know reality or the truth if it hit you over the head! Why not attempt to dispute instead of just making stupid comments? Probably because you are incapable.

huntinman
01-18-2013, 08:19 AM
You wouldn't know reality or the truth if it hit you over the head! Why not attempt to dispute instead of just making stupid comments? Probably because you are incapable.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black... Still waiting for you to answer a simple yes or no question regarding "Libertarian Republicans". You can't (or won't ) do it...

Take a long look in the mirror big boy.

caryalsobrook
01-18-2013, 08:20 AM
You wouldn't know a socialist from an ice cream soda. Things may not be going YOUR direction in the country, but there is nothing that constitutes a socialist movement here. If you don't like the way things are happening, say so. But this socialist/ Hitler bull crap we have been seeing the last 4 years is an old fog invented by a bunch of right wing looneys.
If you take the true definition of socialism as ownership of the means of production, then no, there is no proof that BO is a socialist. The fact is that there has never been nor is there a truly socialist country that has enjoyed economic prosperity. Change the definition to GOV. CONTROL OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, then you have the crux of Obama's policy.

Let me give you a couple quotes of Obama. "When I was in college, I chose my friends carefully. I chose militant blacks, hispanics and MARXIS LENINIST PROFESSORS." "I loved to go to coffee houses and discuss Marxism." Nothing wrong with discussing Marxism but choosing your friends using that as a criteria speaks greatly to his phylosophy.

I haave said many times that gov. is about rules, regulations, taxes, DEPENDENCE AND CONTROL. Tell me ANY accomplishment of the current gov. that INCREASES INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND REDUCES GOV. DEPENDENCE AND CONTROL.

Liberals, progressives, socialists, and Marxist-Leninists are all different to some extent. Just like there are different species of dogs, they are still all dogs. The amusing thing to me is that most so vehemently deny who they are. So tell me where BO does not fall into this catagory?

Franco
01-18-2013, 08:41 AM
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black... Still waiting for you to answer a simple yes or no question regarding "Libertarian Republicans". You can't (or won't ) do it...

Take a long look in the mirror big boy.

I've already post links to Libertarian Republicans on another thread week before last! Easy enogh to google or go to Facebook and enter it.

Pot calling the kettle black? Hardly!

road kill
01-18-2013, 08:50 AM
Because we stuck our nose where it didn't belong driven by paranoia and and the military industrial complex who's lobby in DC is uncontrollable. They owned Robert McNamara!
The point is/was (which you missed or ignored) Viet Nam was Frances problem, they couldn't handle it.



Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.

HPL
01-18-2013, 09:22 AM
Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.


The point is/was (which you missed or ignored) Viet Nam was Frances problem, they couldn't handle it.

I absolutely got it and also saw the irony of Zeus's post since the most divisive issue of my early years involved our taking over "France's problem".

Franco
01-18-2013, 09:33 AM
The point is/was (which you missed or ignored) Viet Nam was Frances problem, they couldn't handle it.

And, neither could we. Those people were fighting for thier freedom. In the south, we set uo a corrupt Diem government. When Ho pleaded with the Ike administration, we refused because of our relationship with France so, they tured to the Communist for help.

Imperalism after WW2m was no longer acceptable to Indochina. The French thought they could retake them as a colony and learned otherwise.

road kill
01-18-2013, 09:35 AM
And, neither could we. Those people were fighting for thier freedom. In the south, we set uo a corrupt Diem government. When Ho pleaded with the Ike administration, we refused because of our relationship with France so, they tured to the Communist for help.

Imperalism after WW2m was no longer acceptable to Indochina. The French thought they could retake them as a colony and learned otherwise.
Tell me about it!!!

road kill
01-18-2013, 09:40 AM
Mali is the France's problem. They'll deal with it. We don't have to. We only take care of British mess ups.



I absolutely got it and also saw the irony of Zeus's post since the most divisive issue of my early years involved our taking over "France's problem".

I remember when I was a little boy reading in National Geographic about the mess in Laos, Cambodia and Viet Nam.
Little did I know what was coming..............