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: FINALLY!!! The answer to this gun crap.

Uncle Bill
01-18-2013, 11:08 AM
I knew we hadn't taken it far enough. Nice to see the "criminals" finally understand and we can expect them to comply. YIP, YIP, YIP, YAHOO.


Gun Free Zone Solution to Violence


Uncle Bill
01-18-2013, 11:09 AM
Additional info on the subject. UB

By BECKY BOHRER — Associated Press

JUNEAU — A bill introduced in the Alaska House on Wednesday would make it a misdemeanor for a federal official or agent to try to enforce any new restrictions on gun ownership.
HB69, from House Speaker Mike Chenault, was introduced the same day that President Barack Obama unveiled a package of executive orders and legislative proposals aimed at curbing gun violence.
Obama's proposals, which follow last month's deadly shooting at a Connecticut school, include background checks for all gun sales and a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. His 23 executive orders touched on such things as gun safety, background checks and mental health.
Chenault, in a news release, said work on his bill began before Obama's announcement Wednesday.
"Tragedy is not a license for federal encroachment on constitutionally protected freedoms," he said. "We can all agree that what happened in Newtown, Conn., was an absolute tragedy. But what we fundamentally disagree on is how you meet the challenge it presented.
"The president is using it to further his liberal agenda to try and disarm and disenfranchise law-abiding Americans from their enshrined Second Amendment rights," he said. "No one should be comfortable with that, regardless of where you sit on the issue."
His bill would deem unenforceable federal laws, orders, rules or regulations enacted or effective on or after the effective date of his bill that seek to ban or restrict ownership of a semi-automatic firearm or magazine, or that require a firearm, magazine or firearm accessory be registered. The bill says any federal official, agent or employee who tries to enforce any such provisions is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor.
Chenault, R-Nikiski, said he is building on a measure that passed the state Legislature in 2010, that exempted personal firearms, accessories or ammunition manufactured in Alaska from federal law or regulation, including registration.
HB69 has an immediate effective date, but Chenault plans to work with a House committee to make the effective date retroactive to Jan. 1, should the bill pass.
The measure had at least 11 Republican co-sponsors by late Wednesday afternoon.

Uncle Bill
01-18-2013, 11:12 AM
Wonder how many of the lefties are aware of this? UB

---- Why is it the progressive liberals that steal guns. who then go and kill

movie goers and children in school, have never been a conservative

NRA member?

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered

Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~

Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama

campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant;

progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians.

Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats."

INTERESTING, isn't it?

Uncle Bill
01-18-2013, 11:18 AM
Even in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota, there's some that don't buy into supporting Obama and his GC minions. Even that repobate Al Frankin, who has been a GC freak all his life, is having second thoughts due to the fact he's up for re-election. Typical socialist hypocrite. Even in his socialistic state, there are many Democrats that actually are NRA members, and believe in the 2nd amendment.

Pine County sheriff ‘will not enforce’ further federal gun regulations (
Mike Creger - 01/16/2013
On a day when President Obama was preparing a slate of proposals to stem gun violence in America, Pine County Sheriff Robin Cole said he would consider any new federal regulation on guns to be illegal and would “refuse to carry it out.” “We will not enforce that,” Cole told the News Tribune of any potential federal regulation that could lead to confiscation of firearms. Obama is expected to announce proposals today including limits on the sale of assault weapons and strengthening background checks, but not confiscating existing guns. Cole’s position first appeared Tuesday in an open letter he sent to residents of the east-central Minnesota county, disseminated through the media. The sheriff said he made the statement in response to questions from his constituents who are scared about potential new gun laws. Cole said it took him a month to craft the response. The letter outlines his contention that the Second Amendment on the right to bear arms is “fundamental to our individual freedoms and that firearms are part of life in our country.” “We have been inundated,” Cole said of questions about gun laws since the Newtown, Conn., massacre in December. Pine County Commissioner Doug Carlson said he wasn’t surprised to hear about Cole’s stand, calling the sheriff “opinionated.” “Here’s a sheriff riding cowboy saying he’s going to do what he’s going to do,” Carlson said. “Is he going to put us on a county level in a liable position?” Carlson asked, about local law enforcement versus the federal government. “If he can do that, where does that put us as a county board?” But Commissioner Mitch Pangerl said he agrees with the sheriff. “We’re still the state of Minnesota,” he said. He said that if the state legislative process comes up with a new law, it should be followed. But he’s wary of crossing the Second Amendment, even though he knows he doesn’t have much say as a County Board member. “I will protect those rights,” Pangerl said. A ban on assault weapons would be the biggest change for Minnesotans. Right now, a purchase permit is required for handguns and assault weapons. Those permit applications can go through a retailer or a local police office for background checks. In most of Pine County, the only place to go to is the sheriff’s office. Cole said Tuesday he’s simply providing reassurance to his constituents. “They’re afraid,” Cole said. “When they’re afraid, you can’t reason with that.” Cole wrote that states’ rights should supersede any attempts by an individual or the federal government to curb gun rights. The letter states that he will not accept any legislation from the federal government or any one individual, hinting at the notion that President Obama could approve some gun law changes by executive order. “We enforce state law,” Cole said. In the letter, Cole states: “I believe current state law is sufficient to protect public safety.” He goes on to write: “I do not believe the federal government or any individual in the federal government has the right to dictate to the states, counties or municipalities any mandate, regulation or administrative rule that violates the United States Constitution or its various amendments.” The Minnesota Sheriff’s Association doesn’t have an opinion on new gun legislation, its executive director, Jim Franklin, said. He hadn’t seen Cole’s letter and said he couldn’t comment. Cole isn’t alone among sheriffs across the nation. In recent days, sheriffs in Oregon, Georgia, Arizona and Kentucky have taken similar stances. Cole said he wrote the letter for his constituents and it’s his opinion alone. “I don’t care what other sheriffs agree with,” he said.

Sundown49 aka Otey B
01-18-2013, 11:28 AM
Bill the real answer to this would be making a "GUN FREE ZONE" around all politicians of 500 yards. Then the SOB's would be scared to even show their faces anywhere. The proposed zones would apply to the Secret service also...............LOL.

Gerry Clinchy
01-18-2013, 12:42 PM
The Oregon Sheriff was one of the first to come out with such a position, citing that his oath of office included adherence to the US Constitution.

The WH cites that much of law enforcement is behind stricter gun control. This does not seem to be what we are hearing from the grass roots.

You may recall that Chris Christie is also one of those; and even PA Gov Tom Corbett (R). I can see how an urban-based DA would be inclined in that direction since crime rates with guns are so prevalent in urban areas. However, we rarely are told whether those crimes involve "legal" guns.

Uncle Bill
01-18-2013, 01:01 PM's a thought.

Coulter: Guns don’t kill people, mentally ill do James Holmes

By: Ann Coulter (

Seung-Hui Cho, who committed the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, had been diagnosed with severe anxiety disorder as a child and placed under treatment.
But Virginia Tech was prohibited from being told about Cho’s mental health problems because of federal privacy laws.
At college, Cho engaged in behavior even more bizarre than the average college student. He stalked three women and, at one point, went totally silent, refusing to speak even to his roommates. He was involuntarily committed to a mental institution for one night and then unaccountably unleashed on the public, whereupon he proceeded to engage in the deadliest mass shooting by an individual in U.S. history.
The 2011 Tucson, Ariz., shopping mall shooter, Jared Loughner, was so obviously disturbed that if he’d stayed in Pima Community College long enough to make the yearbook, he would have been named “Most Likely to Commit Mass Murder.”
RELATED: Rand Paul fights for our gun rights, introduces legislation to counter Obama’s executive orders (
After Loughner got a tattoo, the artist, Carl Grace, remarked: “That’s a weird dude. That’s a Columbine candidate.”
One of Loughner’s teachers, Ben McGahee, filed numerous complaints against him, hoping to have him removed from class. “When I turned my back to write on the board,” McGahee said, “I would always turn back quickly — to see if he had a gun.”
On her first day at school, student Lynda Sorensen emailed her friends about Loughner: “We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I’m not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon.”
The last of several emails Sorensen sent about Loughner said: “We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living cr** out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.”
That was the summer before Loughner killed six people at the Tucson shopping mall, including a federal judge and a 9 year-old girl, and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, among others.
Loughner also had run-ins with the law, including one charge for possessing drug paraphernalia — a lethal combination with mental illness. He was eventually asked to leave college on mental health grounds, released on the public without warning.
RELATED: GOP leaders respond to Obama’s gun rights restrictions (
Perhaps if Carl Grace, Ben McGahee or Lynda Sorensen worked in the mental health field, six people wouldn’t have had to die that January morning in Tucson. But committing Loughner to a mental institution in Arizona would have required a court order stating that he was a danger to himself and others.
Innumerable studies have found a correlation between severe mental illness and violent behavior. Thirty-one to 61 percent of all homicides committed by disturbed individuals occur during their first psychotic episode — which is why mass murderers often have no criminal record. There’s no time to wait with the mentally ill.
James Holmes, the accused Aurora, Colo., shooter, was under psychiatric care at the University of Colorado long before he shot up a movie theater. According to news reports and court filings, Holmes told his psychiatrist, Dr. Lynne Fenton, that he fantasized about killing “a lot of people,” but she refused law enforcement’s offer to place Holmes under confinement for 72 hours.
However, Fenton did drop Holmes as a patient after he made threats against another school psychiatrist. And after Holmes made threats against a professor, he was asked to leave campus. But he wasn’t committed. People who knew he was deeply troubled just pushed him onto society to cause havoc elsewhere.
Little is known so far about Adam Lanza, the alleged Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooter, but anyone who could shoot a terrified child and say to himself, “That was fun — I think I’ll do it 20 more times!” is not all there.
It has been reported that Lanza’s mother, his first victim, was trying to have him involuntarily committed to a mental institution, triggering his rage. If true — and the media seem remarkably uninterested in finding out if it is true — Mrs. Lanza would have had to undergo a long and grueling process, unlikely to succeed.
As The New York Times’ Joe Nocera recently wrote: “Connecticut’s laws are so restrictive in terms of the proof required to get someone committed that Adam Lanza’s mother would probably not have been able to get him help even if she had tried.”
Taking guns away from single women who live alone and other law-abiding citizens without mental illnesses will do nothing about the Chos, Loughners, Holmeses or Lanzas. Such people have to be separated from civil society, for the public’s sake as well as their own. But this is nearly impossible because the ACLU has decided that being psychotic is a civil right.
Consequently, whenever a psychopath with a million gigantic warning signs commits a shocking murder, the knee-jerk reaction is to place yet more controls on guns. By now, guns are the most heavily regulated product in America.
It hasn’t worked.
Even if it could work — and it can’t — there are still subway tracks, machetes, fists and bombs. The most deadly massacre at a school in U.S. history was at an elementary school in Michigan in 1927. It was committed with a bomb. By a mentally disturbed man.
How about trying something new for once?

01-18-2013, 09:11 PM
Even in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota, there's some that don't buy into supporting Obama and his GC minions. Even that repobate Al Frankin, who has been a GC freak all his life, is having second thoughts due to the fact he's up for re-election. Typical socialist hypocrite. Even in his socialistic state, there are many Democrats that actually are NRA members, and believe in the 2nd amendment.

Rushtards are narrow-minded inflexible, incurious bumpkins who allows Rush Limbaugh to do their thinking for them. Rushtards are unable to form opinions from credible, open-minded research or sources. They are also incapable of discerning truth from fiction, Rushtards turn to Limbaugh for answers. What most Rushtards fail to realize is their hero is a drug-addled, thrice-divorced, college dropout, draft-evader from the remote backwater of Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Still, one cannot deny his ability to inspire simpletons and rise to the position as "defacto" Head of the Republican Party.
And he babbles on................

01-18-2013, 09:17 PM
And he babbles on................

Unless you created the definition... You are allowing someone else to do YOUR thinking for you. Once again...a lib telling us who he is afraid of.

01-18-2013, 09:42 PM
News in Oklahoma today was that a bill is being worked on for here in Oklahoma that would exempt guns and ammo manufactured in Oklahoma when they are kept in Oklahoma. I did not get to hear the whole thing however.

01-18-2013, 09:57 PM
News in Oklahoma today was that a bill is being worked on for here in Oklahoma that would exempt guns and ammo manufactured in Oklahoma when they are kept in Oklahoma. I did not get to hear the whole thing however.
It probably similar to what Montana did.

01-18-2013, 10:05 PM
We are idiot's, our country has over taken us ,sad day's are ahead, politics have taken over common sense.

You hate ,i hate ,we all hate it ,if we dont start fixing it ,it will soon finish.....i'm sincerely worried.

01-18-2013, 11:21 PM
Scared aint cha? should dam well be scared. within 10 years you'll never know we was once The most powerful nation in the world... pour people (American's)
Dont sis out ... admit it ...we are in trouble ,we are divided ...we have Mexicans running the labor force and lazy white people owning them......and black people wanting free help... and every person in between...I have friends of all cultiers and this is where I stand ,its not racissct, its common sense. I could care less what color our boss is ,,,,but be the boss ,,,I TRULY BELIEVE HE HAS BAD INTENTIONS FOR US.

sORRY PEOPLE WE ARE GUNA BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AS THE LOSSERS, or what we now call the "southerners"
it will get worse before it gets better.

Lock and load regards. Our poor kids ,it makes me want to have more reloads.

Our pour kids...they dont have a chance.