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zeus3925
01-20-2013, 07:39 PM
I worked child welfare/protection in this county when this case came in 18 years. I wasn't assigned to the case, but I was aware of it. Christopher Oberender and his 14 year old buddy hid behind a couch waiting for his mother to come home. Christopher had a 12 ga. shotgun and his buddy a small caliber rifle. Mom had taken away a video game earlier that day. When she came home Christopher and his buddy opened fire and killed her. They then stole the family car and were later apprehended

This was a solid middle class family. Dad was on the school board. Mom was active with Scouting.

Fast forward to 3 days ago when the Carver County Sheriff Office learned to their surprise that Oberender had amassed 13 firearms, including a Thompson sub machine gun and an AK47, despite being a felon and had a history of mental heath issues. Here is the Star -Tribune story how he managed to get that kind of collection:

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/187610601.html

road kill
01-20-2013, 08:01 PM
What a great story zeus, but I have a question.

If he "MURDERED" his Mother, as the story claims, why was he not in prison????

Who let him out and why?


There is your problem.

If one were to read this article, they would see that the problem is in the Judicial system, as the article so clearly states.

huntinman
01-20-2013, 08:21 PM
Some Shrink probably said he was not a threat to society and since he just a "child" when the "unfortunate incident" happened, they let him out.

charly_t
01-20-2013, 11:29 PM
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If one were to read this article, they would see that the problem is in the Judicial system, as the article so clearly states.

Bingo !

Shrink says that a young man we happen to know does not really want to hurt people that young man just wants attention ( duh ). And I say...... so badly he will do anything to get it. His family has lots of green folding money and "they know people". I fear for the people in his family and friends of theirs.

zeus3925
01-21-2013, 12:19 AM
There are lots of holes where this guy slipped through. The legal systems, the mental health system, data tracking, mental health follow up and failure to report and share information, and mental health follow up.

I may scare up some flack on this but states are really loath to spend anything on mental health. It is one of the first things to get cut when the economy goes south. A lot of mental illness can be mitigated with the medications that are now available. But it takes follow up to make sure medications are taken.

road kill
01-21-2013, 06:45 AM
There are lots of holes where this guy slipped through. The legal systems, the mental health system, data tracking, mental health follow up and failure to report and share information, and mental health follow up.

I may scare up some flack on this but states are really loath to spend anything on mental health. It is one of the first things to get cut when the economy goes south. A lot of mental illness can be mitigated with the medications that are now available. But it takes follow up to make sure medications are taken.
If the guy committed murder he should be in prison, for ever.
(actually, he should be executed, but the leftys would be agahst)

No meds, no special care, the POS forfeited all of that when he took another life.

Marvin S
01-21-2013, 10:30 AM
If the guy committed murder he should be in prison, for ever.
(actually, he should be executed, but the leftys would be agahst)

No meds, no special care, the POS forfeited all of that when he took another life.

x3!!!!!!!!!

dixidawg
01-21-2013, 10:45 AM
I worked child welfare/protection in this county when this case came in 18 years. I wasn't assigned to the case, but I was aware of it. Christopher Oberender and his 14 year old buddy hid behind a couch waiting for his mother to come home. Christopher had a 12 ga. shotgun and his buddy a small caliber rifle. Mom had taken away a video game earlier that day. When she came home Christopher and his buddy opened fire and killed her. They then stole the family car and were later apprehended

This was a solid middle class family. Dad was on the school board. Mom was active with Scouting.

Fast forward to 3 days ago when the Carver County Sheriff Office learned to their surprise that Oberender had amassed 13 firearms, including a Thompson sub machine gun and an AK47, despite being a felon and had a history of mental heath issues. Here is the Star -Tribune story how he managed to get that kind of collection:

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/187610601.html

The article said "Tommy gun". Do you know for certain that it was the sub machine gun. Or was it the semi auto version?

"Christopher Oberender and his 14 year old buddy hid behind a couch waiting for his mother to come home. Christopher had a 12 ga. shotgun and his buddy a small caliber rifle. Mom had taken away a video game earlier that day. When she came home Christopher and his buddy opened fire and killed her. They then stole the family car and were later apprehended"


Doesn't that constitute murder one? As others have said, the problem is not that he was able to obtain guns. The problem is that he was still breathing, or at a very minimum locked in a very secure cage forever.

zeus3925
01-21-2013, 10:54 AM
The situation was originally treated as a mentally ill juvenile offender. The whole situation is one big government screw up at several levels. Doesn't matter if the Tommie was semi or fully automatic. He shouldn't have been able to purchase or have firearms...PERIOD. We really dodged a big one with this guy. Hopefully he will be sent up the river for a very long time.

mngundog
01-21-2013, 11:29 AM
The situation was originally treated as a mentally ill juvenile offender. The whole situation is one big government screw up at several levels. Doesn't matter if the Tommie was semi or fully automatic. He shouldn't have been able to purchase or have firearms...PERIOD. We really dodged a big one with this guy. Hopefully he will be sent up the river for a very long time.
Convicted murderer buys guns, that is an issue that could be addressed immediately with the support of both parties and the NRA, but instead time and money will be wasted trying to create new laws that will do nothing to address the problem.

M&K's Retrievers
01-21-2013, 11:39 AM
Convicted murderer buys guns, that is an issue that could be addressed immediately with the support of both parties and the NRA, but instead time and money will be wasted trying to create new laws that will do nothing to address the problem.

So what else is new?

Same old, same old regards,

dixidawg
01-21-2013, 11:40 AM
Doesn't matter if the Tommie was semi or fully automatic.


Actually, I think it does matter. Much of the general public is under the assumption that assault weapons are full auto, and as you know, they are not. If in this case it was a semi, we should not in any way be perpetuating the myth that "machine guns" are easily obtained or are in widespread illegal use.

huntinman
01-21-2013, 12:05 PM
Convicted murderer buys guns, that is an issue that could be addressed immediately with the support of both parties and the NRA, but instead time and money will be wasted trying to create new laws that will do nothing to address the problem.

Maybe in this case, I don't know... But in most cases criminals are not buying their guns at gun stores or gun shows... They are either stealing them or buying stolen guns. We need to enforce the laws we have before creating laws on top of more laws.

road kill
01-21-2013, 12:10 PM
According to FBI statistics 80% + of violent crime is commited by repeat offenders.

Under my plan, I could eliminate 80% + of our violent crime!!!!!!:D

huntinman
01-21-2013, 12:24 PM
According to FBI statistics 80% + of violent crime is commited by repeat offenders.

Under my plan, I could eliminate 80% + of our violent crime!!!!!!:D

Road Kill for President!