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duckheads
01-22-2013, 01:33 PM
The last two weeks should go down as a period of vindication for former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and earn him the nickname, “soothsayer of the Western World” — a modern-age Nostradamus.
On Jan. 14, Chrysler’s CEO acknowledged that Jeeps would be built in China, confirming a statement that unfairly earned Romney the moniker “liar of the year.”.......



http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/is-mitt-romney-the-new-nostradamus-15715 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/is-mitt-romney-the-new-nostradamus-15715)

mngundog
01-22-2013, 01:52 PM
From your link

Referring to the right to bear arms, Romney told convention-goers, “If we are going to safeguard our Second Amendment, it is time to elect a president who will defend the rights President Obama ignores or minimizes. I will.”
Really, that's a quote from a guy who wanted all "assault rifles" banned, that's the guy who we should look to to safeguard the Second Amendment.

duckheads
01-22-2013, 02:24 PM
Imagine that the first response from the Mitt hater. You really think he would have put in place the EO's that President has put forth? And please you can spare us the broken record you keep playing over and over.

Just like I tell my kids, haters gonna hate..................

mngundog
01-22-2013, 02:37 PM
Imagine that the first response from the Mitt hater. You really think he would have put in place the EO's that President has put forth? And please you can spare us the broken record you keep playing over and over.

Just like I tell my kids, haters gonna hate..................
It was funny that the author was trying to portray Mitt as a supporter of the Second Amendment when he is clearly not. I voted for Mitt because of his other believes, Mitt's belief that all assault weapons should be banned make Mitt a second amendment hater, and me not like that aspect of the him.

Gerry Clinchy
01-22-2013, 02:47 PM
The last two weeks should go down as a period of vindication for former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and earn him the nickname, “soothsayer of the Western World” — a modern-age Nostradamus.
On Jan. 14, Chrysler’s CEO acknowledged that Jeeps would be built in China, confirming a statement that unfairly earned Romney the moniker “liar of the year.”.......

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/is-mitt-romney-the-new-nostradamus-15715
As I understand it they are building Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. That is very reasonable. Toyota builds Toyotas here for the US market because it is cheaper to do so. As I understand it, while Toyota has no unions for its workers, those workers receive wages and benefits that compare favorably to the unionized companies. So, it is not only union labor costs that make it cheaper to build the cars here.

So, Romney was correct about Jeeps being built in China ... but it was not the big "sin" that some might have interpreted it to be. Nor was he a liar. The opposition party made more outrageous ads than that; and more of them. Too bad the Romney campaign didn't make ads about totally true things that were important.

(http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/is-mitt-romney-the-new-nostradamus-15715)

duk4me
01-22-2013, 03:13 PM
As I understand it they are building Jeeps in China for the Chinese market. That is very reasonable. Toyota builds Toyotas here for the US market because it is cheaper to do so. As I understand it, while Toyota has no unions for its workers, those workers receive wages and benefits that compare favorably to the unionized companies. So, it is not only union labor costs that make it cheaper to build the cars here.

So, Romney was correct about Jeeps being built in China ... but it was not the big "sin" that some might have interpreted it to be. Nor was he a liar. The opposition party made more outrageous ads than that; and more of them. Too bad the Romney campaign didn't make ads about totally true things that were important.

(http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/01/20/is-mitt-romney-the-new-nostradamus-15715)

Oh Good Lord Gerrry, you are a girl, don't bring any rational fact driven post to POTUS. It would be the biggest sin to do so........

Marvin S
01-22-2013, 03:57 PM
Imagine that the first response from the Mitt hater. You really think he would have put in place the EO's that President has put forth? And please you can spare us the broken record you keep playing over and over.

Just like I tell my kids, haters gonna hate..................

He is a lover of the current POTUS :(.


It was funny that the author was trying to portray Mitt as a supporter of the Second Amendment when he is clearly not. I voted for Mitt because of his other believes, Mitt's belief that all assault weapons should be banned make Mitt a second amendment hater, and me not like that aspect of the him.

You keep saying that but your posts do not reflect same :confused:. Believes is not the plural of belief, it is hard to take someone very seriously who comes across as somewhat illiterate!!!

mngundog
01-22-2013, 04:20 PM
He is a lover of the current POTUS :(.



You keep saying that but your posts do not reflect same :confused:. Believes is not the plural of belief, it is hard to take someone very seriously who comes across as somewhat illiterate!!!
Thank you grammar police. :D I'm amazed that your political aspirations fizzled out at the school board level. :D

Gerry Clinchy
01-22-2013, 05:50 PM
Oh Good Lord Gerrry, you are a girl, don't bring any rational fact driven post to POTUS. It would be the biggest sin to do so........
:-)) ... thank you, Tim. I'll take that as a compliment.

My son works for Toyota, as a technical service advisor to dealerships. That is what Toyota tells him ... that it's cheaper to build the cars here for the US market. Handy that it also makes a good marketing point ... I seriously doubt they would have sat down and said, "Okay, it'll cost $100 more to build those cars in the US, but we'll look like heroes in marketing that we build the cars in the US."

mngundog
01-22-2013, 06:49 PM
:-)) ... thank you, Tim. I'll take that as a compliment.

My son works for Toyota, as a technical service advisor to dealerships. That is what Toyota tells him ... that it's cheaper to build the cars here for the US market. Handy that it also makes a good marketing point ... I seriously doubt they would have sat down and said, "Okay, it'll cost $100 more to build those cars in the US, but we'll look like heroes in marketing that we build the cars in the US."
Don't you think it would be cheaper to have them built in Mexico? I believe marketing is the reason they are being built here, and it has been very effective.

brandonh98
01-22-2013, 07:06 PM
More jobs lost to China...SOAB

Marvin S
01-22-2013, 10:06 PM
Thank you grammar police. :D I'm amazed that your political aspirations fizzled out at the school board level. :D

If one had political aspirations, the ability to treat your posts with less than disdain would be helpful. Every vote counts, even one from those less knowledgeable :).

JDogger
01-22-2013, 11:09 PM
If one had political aspirations, the ability to treat your posts with less than disdain would be helpful. Every vote counts, even one from those less knowledgeable :).

I'll play.
While Marvin's spelling may be correct. His sentence structure sometimes leaves much to be desired. It is the structure of the engineer rather than of the poet or of the writer of literature. I do not pretend to be a wordsmith, nor the winner of my spelling bee on the prarie. My position in my eighth-grade class, I do not remember.
Marvin's intellectual snobbery, however, holds no bounds. He reads, he comprehends, above all of us...peasants, with dung between our toes. Marvin drops pearls at our feet. His intellectual superiority drips from every post. He does not hesitate to hold those who do not agree to his standards of spelling as inferior.
I'll close, and give Marvin his due. He does not retreat. He engages.
Unlike others, JD

Gerry Clinchy
01-23-2013, 12:12 AM
Don't you think it would be cheaper to have them built in Mexico? I believe marketing is the reason they are being built here, and it has been very effective.
I really don't believe that they would hesitate to build them in Mexico if it were significantly cheaper to do so. Perhaps the savings are offset by the US work force capability? "American built" is certainly a marketing point, but it would be hard to really quantify, since people were buying plenty of Toyotas even before they were made here.

I might add, that in addition to the manufacturing jobs, there are a LOT of jobs provided in the sales and service of the vehicles. My son started working on cars at age 15. After having his own small shop he went to work for a GM multi-brand dealership that also sold Saabs, for which he was also "certified". After two years there, and they wouldn't give him a raise, he went to a large Toyota dealership where he supervised their service department, and then took the job with corporate. In addition to fully paid family health insurance, he also gets a 401k and a pension.

zeus3925
01-23-2013, 09:07 AM
Romney was only partially right that Jeeps were going to be built in China, but his remarks in Toledo, aka Jeeptown, were off the mark when he said Jeep jobs were going to be shipped to China, implying American jobs were going down the drain.

Gerry Clinchy
01-23-2013, 11:33 AM
Romney was only partially right that Jeeps were going to be built in China, but his remarks in Toledo, aka Jeeptown, were off the mark when he said Jeep jobs were going to be shipped to China, implying American jobs were going down the drain.
One cannot defend the lack of clarity in Romney's statement ... though one could extrapolate that those Jeeps could also have been manufactured in the US, so it would be "some" jobs going to China. That could result in fewer jobs being needed in the US if those Jeeps presently exported to China would no longer be made here.

However, there was probably more truth in Romney's statement than in the Obama campaign's statement that Romney's business decisions (which he actually did NOT make) caused a woman to die of cancer five years after one of Bain's acquired companies closed.

Perhaps it is even more reprehensible that the widower of that lady would participate in the use of his wife's death for political reasons (maybe even cash reimbursement) when he knew that his wife had her own health insurance through her own employer even after he lost his job. Politicians may have no souls or morals, but the widower looks like he would have made a good politician himself.

We don't know why she lost that coverage, but we might very well suspect that her disease was NOT yet manifested when her coverage either was lost through loss of her job or whether she & her husband felt they could not longer afford whatever it was costing them. Five years from now we may hear that some Solyndra employees (or family members) die of cancer. Should we then blame the Obama and his administration for those deaths due to a bad investment in that company?

If political campaigns are directed to the lowest-information voters by using half-truths, maybe if we want reform of our election laws we should actually look toward the "truth" aspect, and not just the amount of money the candidates are spending. If they spent a lot of money actually giving truthful facts, we might actually make some headway in finding solutions to the country's problems?

I think we can safely say that both parties are guilty of half-truths (if not outright lies) at various times.

Dan Storts
01-23-2013, 11:44 AM
Once the production of vehicles overseas can cover the import taxes/tariffs our largest manufacturing jobs will also be on the move. GM and Chrysler were the instrumental in the start of production vehicles in Mexico and Canada and this will be a good start making us more of a global society. It will also reduce our green house production and we will be able to blame it on China. The steel will not even need to be shipped here any longer to build the products.

Marvin S
01-23-2013, 12:06 PM
I'll play.
While Marvin's spelling may be correct. His sentence structure sometimes leaves much to be desired. It is the structure of the engineer rather than of the poet or of the writer of literature. I do not pretend to be a wordsmith, nor the winner of my spelling bee on the prarie. My position in my eighth-grade class, I do not remember.

In the real world brevity is valued :confused:, as I've realized you spent little time there I would not expect you to understand. As for my comments on testing, which is what you are apparently alluding to, I just wanted to point out that testing is the one fair way to choose winners & losers.


Marvin's intellectual snobbery, however, holds no bounds. He reads, he comprehends, above all of us...peasants, with dung between our toes. Marvin drops pearls at our feet. His intellectual superiority drips from every post. He does not hesitate to hold those who do not agree to his standards of spelling as inferior.
I'll close, and give Marvin his due. He does not retreat. He engages.
Unlike others, JD

You've made posts in the past about this, as you see I have not changed (IYO), so apparently your opinion means very little to me.

But it goes deeper than that - when one posts & values their own opinion (& our time) so little that they will not make use of the dictionary nor spell check it says a lot to me about where they originate. Did you comprehend that? :-P

mngundog
01-24-2013, 07:04 AM
If one had political aspirations, the ability to treat your posts with less than disdain would be helpful. Every vote counts, even one from those less knowledgeable :).
And at the end of the day the smartest kid in the eight grade class raised to the ranks to lower management and school board member, keep reminding yourself of your knowledge, your the President of your own fan club.:D

Marvin S
01-24-2013, 11:23 AM
And at the end of the day the smartest kid in the eight grade class raised to the ranks to lower management and school board member, keep reminding yourself of your knowledge, your the President of your own fan club.:D

Resurrecting JD's failed attempt at humor is just that :confused:. But when those such as your self go through life with a small tool kit holding dull tools I guess you take your kicks where you can get them.

mngundog
01-24-2013, 09:35 PM
Resurrecting JD's failed attempt at humor is just that :confused:. But when those such as your self go through life with a small tool kit holding dull tools I guess you take your kicks where you can get them.
Really Marvin :confused:.... sharpest tool, brightest bulb, if that's the best you got, its no wonder you were a failure in politics. :D