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Gerry Clinchy
01-29-2013, 02:41 PM
We sent Morsi some new jets ... and now we're seeing another "Arab spring" where protestors appear as unhappy with him as they were with Mubarak.

We sent some more humanitarian aid to Syria, and even Assad's mother left the country (his sister had left already). The demise of Assad's regime seems imminent.

If we leave them alone, will they just self-immolate?

road kill
01-29-2013, 02:47 PM
We sent Morsi some new jets ... and now we're seeing another "Arab spring" where protestors appear as unhappy with him as they were with Mubarak.

We sent some more humanitarian aid to Syria, and even Assad's mother left the country (his sister had left already). The demise of Assad's regime seems imminent.

If we leave them alone, will they just self-immolate?
I posted a thread on this last week.
It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.

huntinman
01-29-2013, 02:50 PM
I posted a thread on this last week.
It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.

I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?

road kill
01-29-2013, 02:54 PM
I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?
Which will end up in Iran, by design!!!

Gerry Clinchy
01-29-2013, 02:55 PM
I posted a thread on this last week.
It was summarily dismissed as no big deal.
Maybe the situation has continued to worsen?

The Egyptian army commander just was quoted saying that the stability of the govt may be in danger.

Morsi had ordered the two top army generals to resign, which they did. That may not have been enough to keep the army from being a viable opponent to Morsi. The army didn't win any friends either during the transition to an elected govt.

Sorry, I missed your thread ... wondered why nobody had mentioned this.

smillerdvm
01-29-2013, 02:56 PM
I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?

Yep. weve got plenty of problems within our borders to be worrying about fixing somebody else's problems. Especially in light of how spectacularily futile our meddling foreign policy by bribery has been for years

road kill
01-29-2013, 02:57 PM
Maybe the situation has continued to worsen?

The Egyptian army commander just was quoted saying that the stability of the govt may be in danger.

Morsi had ordered the two top army generals to resign, which they did. That may not have been enough to keep the army from being a viable opponent to Morsi. The army didn't win any friends either during the transition to an elected govt.

Sorry, I missed your thread ... wondered why nobody had mentioned this.
I am with you on this, it is infuriating.
This administrations foreign policy is much like its domestic policy.

CHAOS!!!!

Franco
01-29-2013, 05:32 PM
Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.

huntinman
01-29-2013, 06:02 PM
Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.

Who posted that on his FB?

smillerdvm
01-29-2013, 07:38 PM
Our Forign Aid is causing a dangerous Arms Race.

This story was posted on Rand's Facebook page...

Earlier this month, I flew to Israel to join Senator Rand Paul on a fact-finding tour. It’s his first visit to Israel, my third. Senator Paul is a new member of the powerful Foreign Relations Committee, so he got first class treatment, meeting privately with Prime Minister Netanyahu, the mayor of Jerusalem, and the King of Jordan, as well as military and business leaders.
Our tour group visited at all the major tourist spots, including the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, the Dead Sea, Masada, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem. We stayed at a hotel right on the Sea of Galilee run by a kibbutz. In the hotel room, the management announced that the hotel used to be a traditional kibbutz, where everyone was paid the same salary and had everything in common, but now had switched to a “private” market to provide incentives and keep the younger generation from leaving.
I witnessed first hand how Israel has made significant progress economically over the past 30 years, largely by gradually abandoning socialism and adopting market-friendly reforms. Meanwhile, other Middle Eastern countries like Egypt show no improvement at all.
One of the major issues on the trip was foreign aid to Israel. Senator Paul told me that he has two major objections to foreign aid. First, we can’t afford it, given our huge and growing national debt.
Second, more importantly, foreign aid in the Middle East is leading to an arms race. “If the US gives 20 F-16 fighter planes to Egypt, Israel then feels it needs to buy 25,” he said.
In fact, according to the senator, the U.S. gives more aid to Israel’s neighbors than to Israel. “We taxpayers are subsidizing the hate-filled propaganda put out by the radical Palestinians about America,” he said.
Senator Paul wants to gradually reduce and eventually eliminate foreign aid to Israel and the Palestinians. In his talk to us on the tour, he cited a speech given by Prime Minister Netanyahu several years ago arguing for the end of aid from the United States.
Unfortunately, Senator Paul’s end-foreign-aid bill has no chance of passage due to the argument that giving money to both sides creates a “balance of power.” It’s madness.

I wont comment on the ludicrous idea that a balance of power is created or is the objective.
the unstated objective is that the military/Industrial complex gets their way.......AGAIN!!~

Franco
01-29-2013, 09:10 PM
Posted by Mark Skousen (http://www.humanevents.com/author/neil-skousen/) who is with Human Events .com

More on the subject from Rand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWlnD2B4knc&feature=youtu.be

and yes, the Military Industrial Complex did get their way since it is USA tax dollars paying for Egypt's planes and tanks.

BuddyJ
01-30-2013, 07:17 AM
I don't think it's "no big deal". I think it's "the same old thing". Never changes over there. Our govt is stupid enough to give them weapons?

Our Govt. was stupid enough to give guns to the Drug Cartels in Mexico so why not.

Gerry Clinchy
01-31-2013, 08:07 PM
Rand Paul introduced a bill in the Senate to prevent the delivery of the jets and tanks to Morsi in Egypt. Only 19 Republicans voted in favor of that bill. Most were from Western states + Rubio from FL, and Rand, himself, from KY. I don't remember all of the names, but both TX Senators voted in favor of Rand's bill ... I remember Utah, Idaho, Kansas, and Iowa Senators being mentioned.

Franco
01-31-2013, 09:41 PM
Rand Paul introduced a bill in the Senate to prevent the delivery of the jets and tanks to Morsi in Egypt. Only 19 Republicans voted in favor of that bill. Most were from Western states + Rubio from FL, and Rand, himself, from KY. I don't remember all of the names, but both TX Senators voted in favor of Rand's bill ... I remember Utah, Idaho, Kansas, and Iowa Senators being mentioned.

This is the video of Rand introducing the Bill on the floor of the Senate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm8APCgYpmw

The Bill wasn't very popular with the Dems nor the Repubs. Which is typical of our corrupt Senate. The House isn't much better.

The more his Bills get rejected, the more popular he will become;-)

JDogger
01-31-2013, 10:47 PM
I have to admit to not watching "Egypt" nor anything lately, on the History Channel. It seems mostly for the past few decades to be repeat broadcasts that I've seen before.
I have two sets of neighbors. One whose children and dogs seem to be in constant turmoil. Yelling, screaming, barking. I choose to ignore them. The other, I hear only the sounds of children laughing, giggling, dogs with happy woofs.
Guess which ones I choose to make my friends? JD

Norse
02-01-2013, 02:06 PM
Trying to buy friends

Franco
02-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Rand Paul video on; Debt Ceiling, Taxes, Foreign Aid, Special Interest, Budget, Term Limits and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw70EItcJdU&feature=youtu.be

RadarsDad
02-01-2013, 10:06 PM
Not crazy about sending our enemies our best weaponry.

huntinman
02-01-2013, 11:32 PM
Rand Paul video on; Debt Ceiling, Taxes, Foreign Aid, Special Interest, Budget, Term Limits and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw70EItcJdU&feature=youtu.be

You keep watching him Franco and you are gonna become a Republican;-)

Franco
02-02-2013, 06:54 AM
You keep watching him Franco and you are gonna become a Republican;-)

No thanks, been there and done that.

Besides, Rand is a rogue in the GOP, an independent thinker and won't get the Repub Party support for his Presidential bid. Just look at the way the Repubs voted in sending F16's and Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood or in raising the Debt Ceiling. Rand was one of the few Repubs that voted against both. Like his father, Rand gets little support for his Bills from the Repubs.

Over the last 30 years, the Repubs have proven that they really aren't that much different than the Dems. The Repubs from Reagan to Bush 43 were big Deficit spenders and supported big intrusive government. Both the Repubs and Dems pandered to the illegal migration to the USA(Reagan's Amnesty in 1984 and Bush 43 ignoring the situation). Not to mention how they are controlled by the military contractors.

In 2015, the Repub Party will back a get-along, good boy for the nomination. Hopefully, the people will see differently.

And, just maybe, we'll make a Libertarian out of you. Afterall, Rand is our man;-)

road kill
02-02-2013, 07:14 AM
No thanks, been there and done that.

Besides, Rand is a rogue in the GOP, an independent thinker and won't get the Repub Party support for his Presidential bid. Just look at the way the Repubs voted in sending F16's and Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood or in raising the Debt Ceiling. Rand was one of the few Repubs that voted against both. Like his father, Rand gets little support for his Bills from the Repubs.

Over the last 30 years, the Repubs have proven that they really aren't that much different than the Dems. The Repubs from Reagan to Bush 43 were big Deficit spenders and supported big intrusive government. Both the Repubs and Dems pandered to the illegal migration to the USA(Reagan's Amnesty in 1984 and Bush 43 ignoring the situation). Not to mention how they are controlled by the military contractors.

In 2015, the Repub Party will back a get-along, good boy for the nomination. Hopefully, the people will see differently.

And, just maybe, we'll make a Libertarian out of you. Afterall, Rand is our man;-)

According to Rand Paul, he is NOT his Dad and is a "Tea Party Republican."
I believe Rand auhtored a book, anyone recall the name of the book??

Oh Yeah: "The Tea Party Goes to Washington"
Has anyone read it????


Read his website, NO WHERE does it even mention the word Libertarian.

Franco
02-02-2013, 11:29 AM
According to Rand Paul, he is NOT his Dad and is a "Tea Party Republican."
I believe Rand auhtored a book, anyone recall the name of the book??

Oh Yeah: "The Tea Party Goes to Washington"
Has anyone read it????


Read his website, NO WHERE does it even mention the word Libertarian.

No one questions that the Tea Party was behind Rand and others back in 2010. That book was written three years ago! Today, the Tea Party is virtually non existent. The Tea Party embraced the "less government, less spending" theme that helped their cause. In 2012, the Teas took it on the chin losing most of the seats they picked up in 2010. Their big problem is that they strayed for the "less government, less spending" theme and added a bunch of limited Liberty ideas to their mantra.

Yes, we are aware that he doesn't mention Libertarian on his website. Right now, he is trying to work within the two party system monopoly. A third party victory right now would be a huge stretch. And, we know he will be rejected from support by the GOP establishment. They won't support his Bills now, what makes anyone think they will support his ideas down the road?

I challenge anyone to find one issue where he differs with his father!

Not that Rand isn't his own man, it is just that the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

BonMallari
02-02-2013, 01:32 PM
No one questions that the Tea Party was behind Rand and others back in 2010. That book was written three years ago! Today, the Tea Party is virtually non existent. The Tea Party embraced the "less government, less spending" theme that helped their cause. In 2012, the Teas took it on the chin losing most of the seats they picked up in 2010. Their big problem is that they strayed for the "less government, less spending" theme and added a bunch of limited Liberty ideas to their mantra.

Yes, we are aware that he doesn't mention Libertarian on his website. Right now, he is trying to work within the two party system monopoly. A third party victory right now would be a huge stretch. And, we know he will be rejected from support by the GOP establishment. They won't support his Bills now, what makes anyone think they will support his ideas down the road?

I challenge anyone to find one issue where he differs with his father!

Not that Rand isn't his own man, it is just that the apple didn't fall far from the tree.


You are comparing a US Senator to a (former)US Congressman...apples to oranges : Ron dealt with Fiscal policy , Rand will deal with foreign policy and constitutional issues.....

I do know one stark difference that was just sent to me a few minutes ago....Rand Paul advertises with Dick Morris and his website....Dick Morris wouldnt give his dad the time of day and vice versa

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2013, 01:44 PM
I think Rand has learned from where his father failed. He is a very bright guy. I'm sure that Ron is still his mentor.

I'm sure that Rand offered that bill about the F16s knowing full well it would never pass ... and it revealed which of his Rs did not have the courage to vote with him. There may not have been any question, but this put it on the record ... as the saga of Egypt (and the rest of the ME) continues to unfold.

I think Ron raised awareness of core issues, and that will position Rand better to advance what Ron started. I think Ron ultimately realized that being an influential member of one of the existing parties was the way to "win the war". Perhaps this demonstrates that it takes two generations to make things change?

There is a lot I admire about Ron, but the effects of his ideas came to late in his life to make his candidacy truly viable. There are some things I can differ with, but I would have no hesitancy to vote for Rand for POTUS.

Franco
02-02-2013, 03:33 PM
I think Rand has learned from where his father failed. He is a very bright guy. I'm sure that Ron is still his mentor.

I'm sure that Rand offered that bill about the F16s knowing full well it would never pass ... and it revealed which of his Rs did not have the courage to vote with him. There may not have been any question, but this put it on the record ... as the saga of Egypt (and the rest of the ME) continues to unfold.

I think Ron raised awareness of core issues, and that will position Rand better to advance what Ron started. I think Ron ultimately realized that being an influential member of one of the existing parties was the way to "win the war". Perhaps this demonstrates that it takes two generations to make things change?

There is a lot I admire about Ron, but the effects of his ideas came to late in his life to make his candidacy truly viable. There are some things I can differ with, but I would have no hesitancy to vote for Rand for POTUS.

Very good observation!

Yes, sometimes it does take two or more generations, read my signature line;-)

Ron's convictions where always with him and yes he did have to deal with a lot of age discrimination. He has always been direct, bring up issues that no one wanted to talk about. His directness was used against him.

Like his father, the GOP establishment will do all that they can to minimize Rand.

road kill
02-02-2013, 04:24 PM
Very good observation!

Yes, sometimes it does take two or more generations, read my signature line;-)

Ron's convictions where always with him and yes he did have to deal with a lot of age discrimination. He has always been direct, bring up issues that no one wanted to talk about. His directness was used against him.

Like his father, the GOP establishment will do all that they can to minimize Rand.

Could you take a moment and list all the bills Dr Ron Paul authored, sponsored and passed in his career?

BonMallari
02-02-2013, 04:38 PM
Very good observation!

Yes, sometimes it does take two or more generations, read my signature line;-)

Ron's convictions where always with him and yes he did have to deal with a lot of age discrimination. He has always been direct, bring up issues that no one wanted to talk about. His directness was used against him.

Like his father, the GOP establishment will do all that they can to minimize Rand.

I disagree with you...IMO Rand is learning how to win friends on the Hill, by slowly ascending to positions on his committees and how he works with others and the media...the establishment that you refer to is getting old and is going to have to embrace the young lions of the Party as long as they arent one time flash in the pans...Rand is much more articulate than his dad and has a much fresher style with more appeal than the good ole dad

Franco
02-02-2013, 05:20 PM
Could you take a moment and list all the bills Dr Ron Paul authored, sponsored and passed in his career?

RK, I don't think there is a thead on Potus where you don't bring up this tired, wornout comment!

Have you looked at Congress' approval rating?

Had Congress interest be of the people's like Dr Ron Paul instead of with Special Interest, their approval rating would be much higher.

Apparently, since you dislike Dr Paul so much, you have got to be happy with the status quo.

Let me ask you about your guy, the one you wanted to be the VP, Paul Ryan. What are your thoughts of him voting to raise the Debt Ceiling for the 9th time, two weeks ago?

Franco
02-02-2013, 05:39 PM
I disagree with you...IMO Rand is learning how to win friends on the Hill, by slowly ascending to positions on his committees and how he works with others and the media...the establishment that you refer to is getting old and is going to have to embrace the young lions of the Party as long as they arent one time flash in the pans...Rand is much more articulate than his dad and has a much fresher style with more appeal than the good ole dad

Rand making friends?

The Repubs have voted against every Bill he has put forth.

From denying Foreign Aid to Pakistan and other corrupt foreign countries and the Bill to stop selling F16's and Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood. He received almost zero support in his stand against not raising the Debt Ceiling or his opposition to NDAA.

The next litmus test is the Bill he just introduced, the National Right To Work. He may get a little more support from the Repubs on this one.

Because he is younger, he does have more appeal. But, the GOP establishment still considers him rogue.

road kill
02-02-2013, 06:33 PM
RK, I don't think there is a thead on Potus where you don't bring up this tired, wornout comment!

Have you looked at Congress' approval rating?

Had Congress interest be of the people's like Dr Ron Paul instead of with Special Interest, their approval rating would be much higher.

Apparently, since you dislike Dr Paul so much, you have got to be happy with the status quo.

Let me ask you about your guy, the one you wanted to be the VP, Paul Ryan. What are your thoughts of him voting to raise the Debt Ceiling for the 9th time, two weeks ago?

And after every time I ask it, you dance around and avoid answering the question.

Why??

You list Dr Pauls achievements, and I'll stop asking.
It's a simple question.

Marvin S
02-02-2013, 06:48 PM
Could you take a moment and list all the bills Dr Ron Paul authored, sponsored and passed in his career?

Very good question, RK -


RK, I don't think there is a thead on Potus where you don't bring up this tired, wornout comment!

Franco, I'd like to see the answer to what RK asked - surely you could C & P an answer???


Have you looked at Congress' approval rating?

& this has what to do with the question - though it smacks of evasiveness - & I'm sure that would not be your style, or would it?

Franco
02-02-2013, 06:57 PM
And after every time I ask it, you dance around and avoid answering the question.

Why??

You list Dr Pauls achievements, and I'll stop asking.
It's a simple question.

And, I've answered that question. You just keep asking it because that is all you have!

If there is a tap dancer on POTUS, it is you!

How about answering my question?

Franco
02-02-2013, 07:05 PM
Very good question, RK -



Franco, I'd like to see the answer to what RK asked - surely you could C & P an answer???



& this has what to do with the question - though it smacks of evasiveness - & I'm sure that would not be your style, or would it?

Certainly, someone as brilliant as you claim to be, could figure that out!

But, let me explain it for you;

Many of the problems we are faced with today could have been avoided had Ron Paul's Bills passed. From our Foreign and Monetry Policies to a Balanced Budget Amendment are all Bills that should have passed! Congresses' approval rating wouldn't be so dismal. Dr Paul was against both wars, deficit spending, big over-bearing and over spending goverment, against sending aid to foreign despots, on and on. He would have eliminated many of the useless agencies and departments that do nothing but waste tax dollars.

All those programs YOU support by backing the status quo!

He did get the Fed audited. If not for that, the American tax payer would have never known about the 15 trillion that was loaned to foreign banks at zero interest!

road kill
02-02-2013, 07:13 PM
And, I've answered that question. You just keep asking it because that is all you have!

If there is a tap dancer on POTUS, it is you!

How about answering my question?
I guess you are correct.
I can't very well critique his bills, can I????

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/Jvchequer/numcreio.gif

Franco
02-02-2013, 07:32 PM
I guess you are correct.
I can't very well critique his bills, can I????



His Bills can be critiqued, they just didn't pass.

So, tell us what you don't like about them?

Why not start with this one; Balanced Budget Amendment?

I figured you would wouldn't answer the Paul Ryan question. Too embaressed?

Marvin S
02-02-2013, 07:48 PM
Certainly, someone as brilliant as you claim to be, could figure that out!

But, let me explain it for you;

Many of the problems we are faced with today could have been avoided had Ron Paul's Bills passed. From our Foreign and MonetAry Policies to a Balanced Budget Amendment are all Bills that should have passed! Congresses' approval rating wouldn't be so dismal. Dr Paul was against both wars, deficit spending, big over-bearing and over spending goverment, against sending aid to foreign despots, on and on. He would have eliminated many of the useless agencies and departments that do nothing but waste tax dollars.

All those programs YOU support by backing the status quo!

He did get the Fed audited. If not for that, the American tax payer would have never known about the 15 trillion that was loaned to foreign banks at zero interest!

I have zero interest in your hero - but would be willing to read about his efforts & accomplishments, were there any :-P. But your efforts at evasion say a whole lot.

& Franco, were I short of as many cards as your deck is, I would not be talking about what others support or do not.

Enjoy the game tomorrow, I'm sure you'll have seats on the 50 :)

Franco
02-02-2013, 07:59 PM
No seats on the 50! My brother called and said he had an extra ticket for the game. I declined as the weather was perfect today, 68 degrees/sun and forecasted for tomorrow. I'll have more fun piddling around the homestead and cooking.

Yes, we know RP got zero Bills passed. However, I look at the reasons why. And, by looking at 16.5 trillion Defict, I think those with the influence to Legislate have done a piss poor job! Hence, the Appoval Ratings.

Looks like folks are having fun at a unigue and truely grand city; weather, food, music, big game, and it's fun to watch on TV.

Super Bowl Surprised Prediction; Randy Moss ends his career with an outstanding performance! Aftergame story; Randy will get more retirement talk than Ray;-)

The Super Bowl should be in the Big Easy every season!!!

jeff evans
02-03-2013, 04:01 AM
Could you take a moment and list all the bills Dr Ron Paul authored, sponsored and passed in his career?


And after every time I ask it, you dance around and avoid answering the question.

Why??

You list Dr Pauls achievements, and I'll stop asking.
It's a simple question.

As we found out with the last two elections "achievements" have no relevance on who's elected. Are there any current politician/'s who are fighting for our constitutional rights and national safety with more vigor than Paul? I think the repub. party should be ashamed for not supporting Paul's NDAA bill and the arms to Egypt. If Paul walks his talk he's the best thing we got........

road kill
02-03-2013, 06:57 AM
As we found out with the last two elections "achievements" have no relevance on who's elected. Are there any current politician/'s who are fighting for our constitutional rights and national safety with more vigor than Paul? I think the repub. party should be ashamed for not supporting Paul's NDAA bill and the arms to Egypt. If Paul walks his talk he's the best thing we got........

Mr Evans,
My posts were about Dr Ron Paul.

Rand Paul, the "Tea Party Republican," has my attention and I am following him closely.

smillerdvm
02-04-2013, 08:04 AM
Mr Evans,
My posts were about Dr Ron Paul.

Rand Paul, the "Tea Party Republican," has my attention and I am following him closely.

RK, since you follow him closely Can you give a list of all the bills Rand paul has authored, sponsored and passed in his career

Franco
02-04-2013, 09:41 AM
RK, since you follow him closely Can you give a list of all the bills Rand paul has authored, sponsored and passed in his career

And, while he is at it maybe he could tell us which Tea Party Rand belongs to. As well as, who their Presidential candidate was in 2012 and maybe a link to their platform;-)

I'm not saying that some folks calling themselves a political aprty didn't have some influence in 2010 but, where are they now? Who runs their party?

road kill
02-04-2013, 09:44 AM
And, while he is at it maybe he could tell us which Tea Party Rand belongs to. As well as, who their Presidential candidate was in 2012 and maybe a link to their platform;-)
I believe I said "Tea Party Republican."
(and I did, you must have missed it)

I quoted HIS words from HIS site.
So maybe YOU should ask HIM!!

As far as Rands achievements so far......"the apple don't fall far from the tree!":D

But I do like what he says, and he deserves following.

BTW---I do appreciate your devotion to following my posts, it will help you become more "Fair and Balanced!!":cool:

Franco
02-04-2013, 10:27 AM
I believe I said "Tea Party Republican."
(and I did, you must have missed it)

I quoted HIS words from HIS site.
So maybe YOU should ask HIM!!

As far as Rands achievements so far......"the apple don't fall far from the tree!":D

But I do like what he says, and he deserves following.

BTW---I do appreciate your devotion to following my posts, it will help you become more "Fair and Balanced!!":cool:

Here is Rand's Official Website;
http://www.randpaul2016.com/

I don't see any mention of a Tea Party.

Fair & Balanced? RK, I would say you are just to the right of Atilla The Hun;-)

road kill
02-04-2013, 10:32 AM
Here is Rand's Official Website;
http://www.randpaul2016.com/

I don't see any mention of a Tea Party.

Fair & Balanced? RK, I would say you are just to the right of Atilla The Hun;-)

He was kinda lame, wasn't he??

Franco
02-04-2013, 10:42 AM
He was kinda lame, wasn't he??

Rand, lame? If anything, we consider him to be one of the, "Lions Of Liberty".

If you remember, the Tea party backed SenRick Santorum for President. A candidate that never met a Pork/Earmark project he didn't like. A big spending, limited Liberty candidate. When they backed Santourm, it became clear that the Teas were NOT about Liberty and that the word was just a throw away line.

In regards to the Abortion issue which fuels the Teas, I think that Ron and Rand Paul's solution makes the most sense and one that I agree with. Whereas most of the Tea groups favor the ban on all Abortions across the entire country. The issue should be decided by the individual states. That would lay the issue for the most part to rest.

road kill
02-04-2013, 10:48 AM
Rand, lame? If anything, we consider him to be one of the, "Lions Of Liberty".

If you remember, the Tea party backed SenRick Santorum for President. A candidate that never met a Pork/Earmark project he didn't like. A big spending, limited Liberty candidate. When they backed Santourm, it became clear that the Teas were NOT about Liberty and that the word was just a throw away line.

In regards to the Abortion issue which fuels the Teas, I think that Ron and Rand Paul's solution makes the most sense and one that I agree with. Whereas most of the Tea groups favor the ban on all Abortions across the entire country. The issue should be decided by the individual states. That would lay the issue for the most part to rest.

No, Attila the Hun is kinda lame.:shock:

huntinman
02-04-2013, 10:53 AM
Here is Rand's Official Website;
http://www.randpaul2016.com/

I don't see any mention of a Tea Party.

Fair & Balanced? RK, I would say you are just to the right of Atilla The Hun;-)


Interesting... I don't see any mention of a Libertarian or Libertarian Republican Party either. Hmmm.

huntinman
02-04-2013, 10:57 AM
Here is Rand Paul and the Tea Party from his website: http://www.randpaul2016.com/?s=Tea+party&submit=submit

Franco
02-04-2013, 11:14 AM
Here is Rand Paul and the Tea Party from his website: http://www.randpaul2016.com/?s=Tea+party&submit=submit

I never said that he didn't welcome the support of the Teas. They were helpful to him in 2010. I did miss that on his website though. So, where is the Tea Party today?

BonMallari
02-04-2013, 11:18 AM
cut and paste from the Rand Paul site


The Tea Party is not a single-issue group. Rather, it is a group that is fed up with an attitude in Washington. Tea Partyers are fed up with politicians who spend money we don’t have, racking up trillion-dollar deficits year after year.

They are tired of politicians who do not see limits in the powers of Congress and the federal government to intrude into our lives.

They are sick of being told they have to accept a mealy-mouthed version of what they believe and what they know we must do to save our country.

We must balance our budget sooner rather than later, or we will face ruin. This will require entitlement reform. Tuesday, Hoosiers voted for a candidate who publicly pledged to support the Tea Party budget in the Senate, which balances in five years.

We must repeal Obamacare and ensure that nothing like it passes ever again. Hoosier voters nominated the candidate who stood the strongest for the Constitution and for freedom.

We must fight to continue the small battles we already have won. Hoosier voters rewarded the candidate who pledged to keep the earmark ban and rejected the senator who just weeks ago voted to restore earmarks.

There is much hand-wringing also about outside groups in races such as these. Outside groups like the Tea Party groups, National Right to Work, Club for Growth and others certainly played a large role in this race, and this is as it should be. These groups are not special-interest groups lobbying for favors. They are principled organizations fighting for the government to leave them alone. The candidate who stood for such issues was rewarded and will be asked to stand for them again this fall.

Already the establishment cries that Richard Mourdock will not compromise – but compromise has been the name of the game for decades. Compromise leads to ever-escalating military and domestic spending. Washington needs statesmen, not horse traders. Our country needs principled leaders who will stand up and say no to trillion-dollar deficits.

I look forward to a class of Republican freshman senators next January who fit the bill of statesmen – and we will see this strong breed come forth out of primaries in the next few weeks and become victorious in November.

Sen. Rand Paul is a Kentucky Republican.

Franco
02-04-2013, 11:19 AM
Interesting... I don't see any mention of a Libertarian or Libertarian Republican Party either. Hmmm.

And, you won't find any current stories linking him to the Tea either. Like I've said several times, he is working the two party monopoly. When the GOP establishment rejects him, which party do you think he will run for President with, one of the Tea Party groups or a real poliical party like the Libertarian Party?;-)

huntinman
02-04-2013, 11:35 AM
Whichever one can get more than 1% of the vote.

Franco
02-04-2013, 11:44 AM
Whichever one can get more than 1% of the vote.

Well, the Teas can only deliver ZERO electoral votes because they are NOT a real Political Party! What is left of the Teas can certainly vote for Rand, but the Teas have zero power to get anyone on the ballot. In case you haven't noticed, the Repub establishment is trying their hardest to distance themselves from the Teas. If the people want to support Rand's bid for the White Hosue, it will have to be through a real Political Party. One that is organized in all 50 states and supports Rand. That party is the Libertarian Party!

huntinman
02-04-2013, 11:48 AM
Well, the Teas can only deliver ZERO electoral votes because they are NOT a real Political Party! What is left of the Teas can certainly vote for Rand, but the Teas have zero power to get anyone on the ballot. In case you haven't noticed, the Repub establishment is trying their hardest to distance themselves from the Teas. If the people want to support Rand's bid for the White Hosue, it will have to be through a real Political Party. One that is organized in all 50 states and supports Rand. That party is the Libertarian Party!


Your political picks and NFL picks seem to go hand in hand...

Franco
02-04-2013, 12:08 PM
Your political picks and NFL picks seem to go hand in hand...


Actually, my Football picks have been pretty damn good on RTF, especially against the spread.

Granted, when it comes to LSU I am a homer. The Ravens and 3.5 was a winner! I did pick the 49ers to win by 3. I also picked in Sept here on RTF that the SB finalist would be the 49ers and Ravens!!!

Go ahead and look up my other picks throught the season. No one is 100%! Of the 11 NFL playoff games, I was 7 - 4 against the spread on RTF! Anything above 55% is a winner.

Picking Randy Moss as having a great game was out on a limb. So what. Ay least I have the guts to do so!