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Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2013, 12:51 PM
This could be fun ... we've had a lot of talk about candidates for POTUS; good and bad for both sides.

So, who would you like to see be the R candidates in 2016? Who would the D's on the forum prefer as the D candidates?

I'd really like to see a strong conservative for the Rs at the top of the ticket ... like Rand Paul. The selection for VP would be up to him. If Ted Cruz is eligible (someone mentioned he may be Canadian-born), he could be a viable choice four years from now.

The Ds are "suggesting" Hillary or Ole Joe. I can't believe that Joe could win.

So, what are your choices?

BonMallari
02-02-2013, 01:11 PM
I still like John Thune from SoDak....and for newcomers I am liking Trey Gowdy from SoCarolina, he is relentless and wont give up, I like Issa from California too..Rand Paul show promise..still way too early to be wasting time ...I think after the mid terms we will see who is positioning themselves as contenders

road kill
02-02-2013, 01:14 PM
President=Scott Walker
VP=Rand Paul

IMO=Dems have painted themselves into a corner. Race was HUGE in the last 2 elections. Without that voter bloc turnout they have a problem.

sick lids
02-02-2013, 03:01 PM
President Nancy Pelosi
VP Harry Reid

Without a single dem in either house of congress

Libertarians would be accepted.

Franco
02-02-2013, 04:47 PM
Rand Paul President
Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan for VP
http://amashforcongress.com/

U S Rep. Amash could help deliver Michigan's large Electoral vote.

huntinman
02-02-2013, 05:05 PM
Rand Paul President
Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan for VP
http://amashforcongress.com/

U S Rep. Amash could help deliver Michigan's large Electoral vote.

Would they run as Republicans, Libertarian Republicans or plain old Libertarians?

Marvin S
02-02-2013, 05:19 PM
I can't believe that Joe could win.

I believe a lot of us thought that about the current POTUS :).


I still like John Thune from SoDak....and for newcomers I am liking Trey Gowdy from SoCarolina, he is relentless and wont give up, I like Issa from California too..Rand Paul show promise..still way too early to be wasting time ...I think after the mid terms we will see who is positioning themselves as contenders

Personally I would like to see a former Governor leading the ticket. Having had some one way correspondence with the Senator from SD, I do not share your enthusiasm for his candidacy. He's certainly not allergic to Pork :(.

The really neat thing is the bench will be well stocked in 2016!

Franco
02-02-2013, 05:26 PM
Would they run as Republicans, Libertarian Republicans or plain old Libertarians?

Well, if they ran on the Repub ticket, they would run as Repubs. The fact that they are Libertarians in the Repub Party just makes them appealing to more voters;-) Because if the Repubs run the same old partyline Repubs, you can say "hello" to Hillary as the next POTUS.

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2013, 07:14 PM
http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1063385#post1063385)
I can't believe that Joe could win.



I believe a lot of us thought that about the current POTUS :smile:.

Actually, Marvin, I fully expected him to win in 2008, but was really surprised by the win in 2012.

JDogger
02-02-2013, 07:45 PM
Actually, Marvin, I fully expected him to win in 2008, but was really surprised by the win in 2012.

Gerry, you're quoting yourself. That's not ther way PP is supposed to work. JD

Gerry Clinchy
02-02-2013, 08:24 PM
Gerry, you're quoting yourself. That's not ther way PP is supposed to work. JD

I tried to quote Marvin and include what he was responding to, since it needed both to make sense ... obviously that didn't quite work as planned :-)

mudminnow
02-02-2013, 08:58 PM
I still like John Thune from SoDak....and for newcomers I am liking Trey Gowdy from SoCarolina, he is relentless and wont give up, I like Issa from California too..Rand Paul show promise..still way too early to be wasting time ...I think after the mid terms we will see who is positioning themselves as contenders

Noooo! I am from trey gowdy's district and am not happy with him at all. He is becoming a rank in file republican just like inglis ( who I am very well acquainted with, like and respect but would not vote for) who he replaced because he was goin to be different. He talks a big game but has been caving.

Paul/Amash 2016. Vs Clinton/some other guy

Marvin S
02-02-2013, 09:53 PM
I tried to quote Marvin and include what he was responding to, since it needed both to make sense ... obviously that didn't quite work as planned :-)

Gerry I understood even if the resident snark did not :-P.

Gerry Clinchy
02-03-2013, 08:12 PM
Speaking of Michigan ... a friend just told me that a large company there laid off 2400 employees in mid-January ... even highly skilled people like engineers. He couldn't remember the name of the company.

huntinman
02-03-2013, 08:29 PM
Speaking of Michigan ... a friend just told me that a large company there laid off 2400 employees in mid-January ... even highly skilled people like engineers. He couldn't remember the name of the company.

Hemlock Semiconductor... They are 90% complete on a plant in our town here. Just laid off 75 % of the work force and the plant never even opened... The make the crystals for solar panels... Killed by the Chinese flooding the market... Built the plant here mostly with private funds... Did get state and local tax breaks.

Parent company based in Michigan...

charly_t
02-03-2013, 08:49 PM
I know that I have mentioned it before but........."American Made" may not mean what it used to but I have a relative who works for a company who decided to have parts manufactured in another ( overseas ) country. Guess what parts don't fit and are not made well. Bottom line does not always support getting it from a country with cheap wages.

Bought a Futon a few years back.....American made. We like it and it has stood up under grandchildren working it over. If they are still in business I would sure buy from them again ( company in Verona MS I believe ). Best part is family who have visited and had to sleep on it tell me it is very comfortable. I can vouch for napping use. :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

Gerry Clinchy
02-06-2013, 04:32 PM
Ted Cruz ... I went to look this up since it was mentioned earlier:

Cruz was born in Calgary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary), Alberta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta), Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the oil business.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-newvos1-9) His father, in 1957 during the Cuban Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution), was a Cuban immigrant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_exile) to the United States.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-Texplainer08132012-10) His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware), in a family of Irish and Italian descent.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-newvos1-9)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-11) Cruz's family returned to the U.S. when he was four years old.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-Texplainer08132012-10)
So, yes, he was born in Canada, but his mother is an American. Does that make him eligible for the Presidency?

I remember the issue on Obama was that his mother had to be a certain age for him to be considered American, if he was born on foreign soil. Also recall that same issue was raised with McCain, that he had not been born in the US. But I think there is something about "born" citizenship being conferred on the offspring of an American citizen, no matter where they are born.

Figure Eric Johnson to be the one who might know the answer to this?

Gerry Clinchy
02-06-2013, 04:49 PM
From the Wikipedia on Ted Cruz:
National Review just had a piece on Ted Cruz ... even people like Mitch McConnell seem to be on his side, even though Cruz is bucking the "establishment"

Interesting, too

Cruz earned his Bachelor of Arts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Arts) from Princeton University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton_University) and his J.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juris_Doctor), magna cum laude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_cum_laude), from Harvard Law School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Law_School). He was an editor of the Harvard Law Review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Law_Review), an executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Journal_of_Law_%26_Public_Policy), and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-TedCruzOrg-13) While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Whig-Cliosophic_Society)'s Debate Panel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton_Debate_Panel) as one of North America's top-ranked parliamentary debaters, winning the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992North American Debating Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Debating_Championship).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-debate.princeton.edu-14) In 1992, he was named Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton) by the American Parliamentary Debate Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Parliamentary_Debate_Association).[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-debate.princeton.edu-14) In 1991 he and his partner came in second to Austan Goolsbee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee)and partner David Gray. Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Universities_Debating_Championship).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-15)
And, he probably has a pretty good handle on the U.S. Constitution

Cruz served as a law clerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_clerk) to William Rehnquist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rehnquist), Chief Justice of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Justice_of_the_United_States), and J. Michael Luttig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Luttig) of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Fourth_Circ uit).[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-16) Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-17)Cruz has authored more than 80 United States Supreme Court (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court) briefs and presented 43 oral arguments, including nine before the United States Supreme Court.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-TedCruzOrg-13)
In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller), Cruz assembled a coalition of thirty-one states in defense of the principle that theSecond Amendment to the United States Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms).[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-18) Cruz also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_District_of _Columbia_Circuit).
In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) monument on the Texas State Capitol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Capitol)grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance) in public schools and the 2003 Texas redistricting plan.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-19)
Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medellin_v._Texas), the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice) to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-TedCruzOrg-13)


Cruz was born and spent the first four years of his life in Calgary before his parents returned to Houston. His father was jailed and tortured by the Fulgencio Batista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista) regime and fought for Fidel Castro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro) in the Cuban Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution)[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-38) but "didn't know Castro was a Communist" and later became a staunch critic of Castro when "the rebel leader took control and began seizing private property and suppressing dissent."[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-39) Rafael Cruz moved to Austin in 1957 to study at the University of Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_at_Austin). He spoke no English and had $100 sewn into his underwear.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-40) The elder Cruz worked his way through school as a dishwasher making 50 cents an hour. Cruz’s mother, who was from Delaware, was the first person in her family to attend college. She earned a degree in mathematics from Rice University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University)in Houston in the 1950s, working summers at Foley’s and Shell. Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-41)

Cruz and his wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz, have two daughters, Caroline Camille and Catherine Christiane. Cruz met his wife while working on the George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) presidential campaign of 2000. Cruz's wife is currently head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman,_Sachs_%26_Co.) and previously worked in the White House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House) for Condoleezza Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice) and in New York as aninvestment banker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_banker).[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-42)[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#cite_note-43)

Honors and awards

"America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010)
"50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Law_Journal) (2008)
"25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010)
"20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek) (1999)
Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Law_School)


If he were to debate Obama, I'd be putting my money on Cruz.

Jason Glavich
02-07-2013, 07:37 AM
Myself as President
Bill Clinton As my Vice
GySgt Lee Ermey as my public affairs guy(Jay Carney replacment)
Jim Cramer as Fed
Gen Mattis as Defense Sec
Kai the hatchet wielding surfer hero as my head of my secret service detail
Ted Nugent as Head of CIA

lol

Jason Glavich
02-07-2013, 07:44 AM
Hemlock Semiconductor... They are 90% complete on a plant in our town here. Just laid off 75 % of the work force and the plant never even opened... The make the crystals for solar panels... Killed by the Chinese flooding the market... Built the plant here mostly with private funds... Did get state and local tax breaks.

Parent company based in Michigan...

Advance thin film and get out of the dark ages of PV and dump the crystal process. If Ford cars still only had the tech advancment of the Model T the other companies would have ran it out of business as well. Advance or fail is the point.

huntinman
02-07-2013, 08:05 AM
Advance thin film and get out of the dark ages of PV and dump the crystal process. If Ford cars still only had the tech advancment of the Model T the other companies would have ran it out of business as well. Advance or fail is the point.

No argument here... I think it's a crock how much our own govt has wasted on these type of boondoggles... Even though this one didn't get its money from Obama's stash, I'm sure plenty of local and state public money was lost.

Don't know anything about the technical end of it like you seem to. But they were sure riding high when they came to town. They even built a big building at the local university(Austin Peay State) and started their own degree program to train a workforce... Lots of big plans... Down the drain it seems.

MooseGooser
02-07-2013, 09:11 AM
I really like Mark Levin..

Prolly wont run,,, but Like the way he thinks...

I work with a guy right now, that harps all the time that voting is a waste of time, because we are all just circlin the drain anyway... He says America is hopeless.

He makes fun of me everyday. Calls me a gun toatin blind Patriot. Calls the Constitution a shriveled up old piece of worthless paper..
He Hopes for Failer in the United states...

Just a miserable OLD dude..

Gooser

Jason Glavich
02-07-2013, 09:46 AM
No argument here... I think it's a crock how much our own govt has wasted on these type of boondoggles... Even though this one didn't get its money from Obama's stash, I'm sure plenty of local and state public money was lost.

Don't know anything about the technical end of it like you seem to. But they were sure riding high when they came to town. They even built a big building at the local university(Austin Peay State) and started their own degree program to train a workforce... Lots of big plans... Down the drain it seems.

Silicon based plants for PV like this require high amounts of energy to be put into making them, there is a great amount of materials lost as dust when they make the wafers for the panels. New thin films do not have the efficiency of those types but are cheaper and getting better. All of these companies try and jump in but it is cheaper to make overseas for this old tech. We need to invest in the future not the past. Just .02 though.

Ken Bora
02-07-2013, 10:16 AM
I'd like to see a Bobby Jindal x Chris Christie ticket. I think it would be very good for the Republic.

3dogs4kids
02-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Only way the Dems don't nominate Hillary is if another Obama shows up, which isn't likely.

Look for the GOP to screw it up once again by nominating a "moderate," which they have done in every election since Ronald Reagan left office. They won with Bush, but just barely, and that was against looney tunes Al Gore; every other nomination has been a disaster (yes, including GHWB).

Winning ticket for GOP: Perry/Rubio. Won't happen, but it would decimate Hillary.

3dogs4kids
02-07-2013, 10:30 AM
I'd like to see a Bobby Jindal x Chris Christie ticket. I think it would be very good for the Republic.

Not sure Jindal would run with a Democrat, though....

Gerry Clinchy
02-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Silicon based plants for PV like this require high amounts of energy to be put into making them, there is a great amount of materials lost as dust when they make the wafers for the panels. New thin films do not have the efficiency of those types but are cheaper and getting better. All of these companies try and jump in but it is cheaper to make overseas for this old tech. We need to invest in the future not the past. Just .02 though.
Innovation has always seemed to be what the U.S. does best.

I can recall reading years ago (though the world always changes over time) that the Japanese were not very good at innovation, but they were VERY good at copying stuff with precision and craftsmanship. And, back then, their labor costs were much lower than the US (as China is today). Over time, I think the Japanese culture has changed, and they have probably gotten better at the innovation aspect.

I might theorize that personal freedom encourages innovation ... the freedom to think outside of the box.

Gerry Clinchy
02-07-2013, 10:47 AM
Not sure Jindal would run with a Democrat, though....
LOL! I do think that Christie has too many views that are non-conservative. And for all his attempts to act "savvy", he certainly got sucked in by Obama over Sandy. A photo-op just before the election, was NOT a smart thing to begin with. And to think that Obama REALLY would make things happen for NJ was ultimate naivete.

That woman that Obama hugged in his photo-op has seen no cutting of red tape in her situation.

Obama still glad-hands Christie, but there are a LOT of people in NJ who still do NOT have public services. Not to mention that union rules are applying to the reconstruction work in NJ.

Personally, I think Christie has tasted power, and likes it too well.

Jindal/Rubio might be a better match. After that Rubio/Cruz?

Larry Thompson1
02-07-2013, 04:47 PM
Walker/Rubio Thats the ticket.

Dan Storts
02-07-2013, 08:05 PM
Carl Rove's ticket because he is a rino.

Chris Christie

Jeb Bush

They could even be switched and he wouldn't care because he gets a 1960's Democrat, little r republican, and a true rino.

A team
02-07-2013, 10:23 PM
Here you go,

Jeb Bush for President

Marco Rubio for Vice President

Gerry Clinchy
02-17-2013, 01:34 PM
This was noted in a post on American Thinker ... the gist of the posting was that by 2016 smaller paychecks, more regulations, etc. will be a factor in judging the success of D policies


And while the Democratic Party will begin to look like an aging Hillary Clinton (who will turn 69 years old at the next presidential election), the Republican Party will emerge as a youthful combination of philosophical enthusiasts like Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. By 2016, libertarians will soon learn to operate effectively within the structure of the Republican Party. Sophomoric calls for unfettered marijuana use will mature into respectful discourse over the constitutional role of government.

Looking at Hillary now, it doesn't seem like she will be more photogenic at 69. And who else do the Ds have? I don't think Joe Biden will look that great to the Ds either. MSM may be able to work with BHO's silver tongue, but that is not a gift of Ole Joe.

So, it's kind of interesting to think that the probable R candidate will be a younger person, and would appear more "energized" to lead than what the D landscape looks like now. Of course, Obama, came out of nowhere in 4 years ... but doesn't seem to be a common occurrence.

When you look at the younger Rs like Rand Paul, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, Ryan, Walker, etc. (I don't count Christie, since I wouldn't be surprised if he was a D by 2016 ... he keeps looking more like one each day; and if he likes power & aspires to a nomnation, he'd not have a great chance against the ample list above. Remembering also, that Christie wants more gun control.)

Franco
02-17-2013, 05:01 PM
". By 2016, libertarians will soon learn to operate effectively within the structure of the Republican Party."

I just posted a Chris Wallace from Fox News interview from this monring with Rand. Rand suggest it is time for the Repubs to embrace the Libertarian voices.

I'm not convinced that the Repub Party can be reformed and that the brand may be too broken to fix. Just too many that are owned by Special Interest as well as some politicians just can't handle not being a part of big spending intrusive government. Right now, both the Repubs and Dems are anti-Liberty. Dems are owned by Socialist and the Repubs by military contractors, just to name two.

It would be best for the Libertarian party to contine to support our candidates in state and national elections, talking about their vision and if there are Dems and Repubs that are willing to embrace Liberty, then they can join us.

road kill
02-17-2013, 05:06 PM
". By 2016, libertarians will soon learn to operate effectively within the structure of the Republican Party."

I just posted a Chris Wallace from Fox News interview from this monring with Rand. Rand suggest it is time for the Repubs to embrace the Libertarian voices.

I'm not convinced that the Repub Party can be reformed and that the brand may be too broken to fix. Just too many that are owned by Special Interest as well as some politicians just can't handle not being a part of big spending intrusive government.

It would be best for the Libertarian party to contine to support our candidates in state and national elections, talking about their vision and if there are Dems and Repubs that are willing to embrace Liberty, then they can join us.

How many Libertarians hold national office?

Franco
02-17-2013, 05:17 PM
How many Libertarians hold national office?

I don't know the exact number, Sen Rand Paul and Rep Justin Amash are Libertarians.

You can find that number here;
http://www.lp.org/

The current effort is getting state Libertarians elected and getting on the Presidential ballot in all 50 states. Right now we are on 30. This will go along way in giving us a voice in the debates.

But, I know what your are trying to get at. You love the status quo, therefore you attempt to knock down anyone trying to reform the system. You were a big supported here on RTF of Paul Ryan and his proposal to grow the deficit by 6 TRILLION over the next few years. Well, the GOP is done, fini. They and you just don't know it yet.

It may take a landslide Democratic victory in the 2016 Presidential election before the people realize that the Repub Party in broken beyond repair!

No matter what the Repub politicians call themselves, the only real Conservatives are Libertarian!

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/481113_160837980734364_713104869_n.jpg

One of the Libertarian Party (http://www.facebook.com/libertarians?ref=stream&group_id=0)'s goals at this year's Students for Liberty conference was to help students tell the difference between real liberty groups and false fronts whose goal is to trick libertarians into voting for statist candidates.

It turned out that was completely unnecessary. They already knew as much as we did on the topic, if not more.

Some pointed out that when the National Rifle Association (http://www.facebook.com/NationalRifleAssociation?group_id=0) endorsed Mitt Romney (http://www.facebook.com/mittromney?group_id=0), the NRA basically told every Republican governor in the country that they could pass "assault" weapons bans, and still count on an NRA endorsement if they ran for president.
...

Dan Storts
02-17-2013, 05:20 PM
This was noted in a post on American Thinker ... the gist of the posting was that by 2016 smaller paychecks, more regulations, etc. will be a factor in judging the success of D policies



Looking at Hillary now, it doesn't seem like she will be more photogenic at 69. And who else do the Ds have? I don't think Joe Biden will look that great to the Ds either. MSM may be able to work with BHO's silver tongue, but that is not a gift of Ole Joe.

So, it's kind of interesting to think that the probable R candidate will be a younger person, and would appear more "energized" to lead than what the D landscape looks like now. Of course, Obama, came out of nowhere in 4 years ... but doesn't seem to be a common occurrence.

When you look at the younger Rs like Rand Paul, Rubio, Cruz, Jindal, Ryan, Walker, etc. (I don't count Christie, since I wouldn't be surprised if he was a D by 2016 ... he keeps looking more like one each day; and if he likes power & aspires to a nomnation, he'd not have a great chance against the ample list above. Remembering also, that Christie wants more gun control.)

That is a great thought and why not throw Bloomburg on the ticket, because he has also batted from both sides of the aisle.

Henlee
02-18-2013, 01:13 AM
I am not going to pick my canidate yet, but I have been watching Gov. Chris Christie lately.