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lennie
02-12-2013, 02:25 PM
I have no TV or internet, but I am sure I can listen on the radio. If I can take it, I mean....Anyway I just read that Ted Nugent is going to be in attendance?
Do you think there will be questions?

Dan Storts
02-12-2013, 03:14 PM
It will be the same class war clap trap with more spending and taxes. (Warning the Vat tax is on their minds.) While trying to appear that spending has been cut during his entire Presidency. New roads, bridges, free education, free medical and everone treat equal. Let's just throw out our Constitution and let everyone be treated equal and follow this new one.

Article 39. Citizens of the USSR enjoy in full the social, economic, political and personal rights and freedoms proclaimed and guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR and by Soviet laws. The socialist system ensures enlargement of the rights and freedoms of citizens and continuous improvement of their living standards as social, economic, and cultural development programmes are fulfilled.
Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state, or infringe the rights of other citizens.

Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance wit the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum), including the right to choose their trade or profession, type of job and work in accordance with their inclinations, abilities, training and education, with due account of the needs of society.

This right is ensured by the socialist economic system, steady growth of the productive forces, free vocational and professional training, improvement of skills, training in new trades or professions, and development of the systems of vocational guidance and job placement.

Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure.

This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time.
The length of collective farmers' working and leisure time is established by their collective farms.

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.

This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.

Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.

The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security.

Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing.

This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the USSR shall take good care of the housing allocated to them.

Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education.

This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education.

Article 46. Citizens of the USSR have the right to enjoy cultural benefits.

This rights is ensured by broad access to the cultural treasures of their own land and of the world that are preserved in state and other public collections; by the development and fair distribution of cultural and educational institutions throughout the country; by developing television and radio broadcasting and the publishing of books, newspapers and periodicals, and by extending the free library service; and by expanding cultural exchanges with other countries.

Article 47. Citizens of the USSR, in accordance with the aims of building communism, are guaranteed freedom of scientific, technical, and artistic work. This freedom is ensured by broadening scientific research, encouraging invention and innovation, and developing literature and the arts. THe state provides the necessary material conditions for this and support for voluntary societies and unions of workers in the arts, organises introduction of inventions and innovations in production and other spheres of activity.

The rights of authors, inventors and innovators are protected by the state.

Article 48. Citizens of the USSR have the right to take part in the management and administration of state and public affairs and in the discussion and adoption of laws and measures of All-Union and local significance.

This right is ensured by the opportunity to vote and to be elected to Soviets of People's Deputies and other elective state bodies, to take part in nationwide discussions and referendums, in people's control, in the work of state bodies, public organisations, and local community groups, and in meetings at places of work or residence.

Article 49. Every citizen of the USSR has the right to submit proposals to state bodies and public organisations for improving their activity, and to criticise shortcomings in their work.

Officials are obliged, within established time-limits, to examine citizens' proposals and requests, to reply to them, and to take appropriate action.
Persecution for criticism is prohibited. Persons guilty of such persecution shall be called to account.

Article 50. In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.

Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organisations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio.

Article 51. In accordance with the aims of building communism, citizens of the USSR have the right to associate in public organisations that promote their political activity and initiative and satisfaction of their various interests.

Public organisations are guaranteed conditions for successfully performing the functions defined in their rules.

Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.

In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.

Article 53. The family enjoys the protection of the state.

Marriage is based on the free consent of the woman and the man; the spouses are completely equal in their family relations.
The state helps the family by providing and developing a broad system of childcare institutions, by organising and improving communal services and public catering, by paying grants on the birth of a child, by providing children's allowances and benefits for large families, and other forms of family allowances and assistance.

Article 54. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No one may be arrested except by a court decision or on the warrant of a procurator.

Article 55. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed inviolability of the home. No one may, without lawful grounds, enter a home against the will of those residing in it.

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Dan Storts
02-12-2013, 03:32 PM
Article 56. The privacy of citizens, and of their correspondence, telephone conversations, and telegraphic communications is protected by law.

Article 57. Respect for the individual and protection of the rights and freedoms of citizens are the duty of all state bodies, public organisations, and officials.

Citizens of the USSR have the right to protection by the courts against encroachments on their honour and reputation, life and health, and personal freedom and property.

Article 58. Citizens of the USSR have the right to lodge a complaint against the actions of officials, state bodies and public bodies. Complaints shall be examined according to the procedure and within the time-limit established by law.

Actions by officials that contravene the law or exceed their powers, and infringe the rights of citizens, may be appealed against in a court in the manner prescribed by law.
Citizens of the USSR have the right to compensation for damage resulting from unlawful actions by state organisations and public organisations, or by officials in the performance of their duties.

JDogger
02-12-2013, 04:00 PM
Do you think there will be questions?

I have one. How do you post on RTF with no internet?

huntinman
02-12-2013, 05:54 PM
I have one. How do you post on RTF with no internet?

Library?...................

M&K's Retrievers
02-12-2013, 06:08 PM
I have one. How do you post on RTF with no internet?

Work??????

BonMallari
02-12-2013, 06:13 PM
I have one. How do you post on RTF with no internet?

iPhone.....

JDogger
02-12-2013, 06:58 PM
Library, yes...and hours vary. A google of Rochester libraries shows hours are limited, some close as early as 5PM, others as late as 9PM.


Work, yes...if your employer allows internet access during work hours for personnal communication. Many do not, and if not blocked directly, is discouraged.


iphone, yes...but that is internet access.


Earlene has been on RTF and PP for quite a while now. She expressed a lack of desire to hear/view the SOTU. She is free to make that choice.



The SOTU will be replayed, analylzed, critiqued for days to come.



and ....as she says, she has a radio.



I think her OP was meant to be a statement that she is less than pleased with the POTUS, and that it was posted to garner, as someone posted earlier, a "high-five".

Lennie/Earlene....consider yourself "high-fived". JD


BTW Dan Storts, do you really believe that the constitution of the former Soviet Union will be adopted and ratified by the Congress? The Scotus? The voters? Really?
Or, are you just looking for your PP "high-five". JD

Dan Storts
02-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Articles and time in the speech.

Article 39) 3:30 & 33:00
Article 40) 2:50, 13:30-16:30, 23:30, 45:00
Article 41) 33:00
Article 42) 6:30
Article 43) 7:00, 9:30
Article 44) 24:00
Article 45) 6:30, 16:30-18:00, 23:30, 25:00-30:00 which also covered Articles 46, 47 & 48

Article 49) 53:00 - 56:00 Vote on proposed guns laws. However, he then immediately followed up with the statement, "No one law will prevent all gun violence." Thus, leaving the door open for more guns laws. Why don't we propose a ban on multi passenger vehicles, like buses, so if there is a accident only 4 people could get hurt or possibly die.

Article 50) 51:00 indirectly with the voting act.
Article 51) 4:30
Article 52) 58:00
Article 53) 25:00-30:00 which I also listed as being covered in articles 45 through 48
Article 54 through 57) at the 41:00 for about 10 seconds
Article 58 & 58) In the first minute and 37:00

From 10:20 to 13:30 he was in dictator mode on global warming.

From 37:00 to 41:00 was his look at me moment.

Articles 60-63 which are not listed) 42:00-44:00 (USSR wanted to increase and thought every citizen should be a part of the military.) He wants to decrease. Then in 48:00-50:00 he did a 180 appearing to be a supporter.

I wasted a hour tonight to not be accused of cutting and pasting. BYW I did cut and paste the earlier post. However, I could have saved face and just summarize Rules to Radicals.

No JD, it would never be adopted but it is his line of thinking. When government starts trying to be a cradle to grave care giver it becomes the downfall of the people/society.

JDogger
02-12-2013, 10:58 PM
Mr Storts, Your solution is?

huntinman
02-12-2013, 11:07 PM
Mr Storts, Your solution is?

Can we have a do-over?

HPL
02-12-2013, 11:26 PM
You know, I am just so sick of his haughty, condescending manner that I simply can't stand to listen to that lying liar tell more lies. Nothing I can do about it at this point so why get my blood pressure up.

mngundog
02-12-2013, 11:47 PM
I was at work and missed most of it, but got to listen to about 30 minutes of it on the way home, the part I did hear went something like this: spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend.................... What did I miss?

huntinman
02-12-2013, 11:53 PM
I was at work and missed most of it, but got to listen to about 30 minutes of it on the way home, the part I did hear went something like this: spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend.................... What did I miss?

Guns are bad...

M&K's Retrievers
02-13-2013, 12:02 AM
You know, I am just so sick of his haughty, condescending manner that I simply can't stand to listen to that lying liar tell more lies. Nothing I can do about it at this point so why get my blood pressure up.

Hence the reason I did not partake in punishing myself by listening to his BS. Now that I think about it, that's the same reason I quit discussing Obamacare.

BonMallari
02-13-2013, 01:07 AM
I was at work and missed most of it, but got to listen to about 30 minutes of it on the way home, the part I did hear went something like this: spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend.................... What did I miss?

Not a darn thing, EVERYTHING that everyone here predicted was in the speech, including using the parents (coincidently black parents) of one of the Conn children sitting in the presidential box with his wife,to pander about taking a vote about gun control

I also watched the Rubio response, but could find no coverage of the Rand Paul Tea Party response, had to look up the text of his speech on line

roseberry
02-13-2013, 06:56 AM
obama is the kind of person i would have enjoyed an encounter with in junior high.:p

disclaimer: to members of the secret service, fbi, atf, cia and other authorities. i have managed my temper effectively for almost 40 years. my statement is not a threat against our country's president. my respect for the office of the president and president obama is tremendous. i am not now, nor have i ever been violent, or threatened violence towards another. also my comments are not racially motivated, i would scrap with almost anyone in junior high. i'm just saying that based on his displayed attitude it would have been fun to play pick-up basketball with him at the park in sixth grade!

(jd, can i get a high five)

duckheads
02-13-2013, 07:07 AM
[QUOTE=mngundog;1067966]I was at work and missed most of it, but got to listen to about 30 minutes of it on the way home, the part I did hear went something like this: spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, tax, spend, spend, spend.................... What did I miss?[/QUOTE

That nothing he is proposing will raise the deficit. Only a pathological liar could say that with a straight face!!!

Ken Bora
02-13-2013, 07:12 AM
Home from work, 9:20 p.m. and was able to view the last half of the ultimate fighter program. Great fight! Then after a new episode of Justified, my new favorite evening drama, then hit the desk…… Why, what else was good on television last evening?:confused:

Jason Glavich
02-13-2013, 07:36 AM
I was most offended by the Pep Rally attitude, stop standing, stop clapping let him speak, and please Obama stop chanting about the Gun vote, this isn't a revival weekend and we do not need you chanting to get louder clapping and cheering.

On a side note you acknowledged the violence in Chicago by addressing gun control that would not stop said violence in anyway.

Good show of people you could name drop though.

Buzz
02-13-2013, 08:23 AM
Not a darn thing, EVERYTHING that everyone here predicted was in the speech, including using the parents (coincidently black parents) of one of the Conn children sitting in the presidential box with his wife,to pander about taking a vote about gun control

I also watched the Rubio response, but could find no coverage of the Rand Paul Tea Party response, had to look up the text of his speech on line

I think you may have been confused. Those people were parents of a girl who marched in his inauguration parade & then was shot and killed like a week later in a Chicago park that is within a mile of Obama's Chicago home.





Hadiya Pendleton knew she lived in a big world. And the more of it she saw, the better.
After returning from Washington, D.C., where the Chicago teenager performed as a majorette during last week’s inauguration festivities, she had her eye on her next destination: Paris.For family and friends of the 15-year-old sophomore, who was fatally shot Tuesday in a park near her school on Chicago's South Side, their Hadiya is gone, but her dreams and their memories are not.The victim’s mother shook her head and wiped away heavy tears during an interview Tuesday with WFLD-TV (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/20810554/hadiya-pendleton-fatally-shot-in-kenwood-1-week-after-attending-obama-inauguration) in Chicago: “I’m not worried about where she’s going. I know who has her. I just miss her. My heart … there’s a whole section of my heart that’s gone.” After finishing a day of final exams Tuesday at their college preparatory high school, Hadiya and several other students headed to a nearby park. About 2:20 p.m., after the group had staked out a spot under a canopy as rain pelted down, a male jumped a nearby fence, charged toward them and started shooting, Chicago police said.Police are still searching for the shooter, who probably "mistook the group for gang members and fired at them." Authorities don't think the killer targeted Hadiya, who was shot in the back and later died at a hospital. A male shooting victim is in serious condition, police said.Marielle Sainvilus, a spokeswoman for Chicago public schools, said King College Prep was one of two in the district that sent students to perform at the inauguration. King canceled its final exams for today.

road kill
02-13-2013, 08:32 AM
I think you may have been confused. Those people were parents of a girl who marched in his inauguration parade & then was shot and killed like a week later in a Chicago park that is within a mile of Obama's Chicago home.
Buzz is correct!
Those guys should be caught and put in prison, forever!!

huntinman
02-13-2013, 08:33 AM
Yes, I think Chicago needs some gun control as well.

Golddogs
02-13-2013, 10:02 AM
Buzz is correct!
Those guys should be caught and put in prison, forever!!

According to the news, they have 2 in custody. I would have liked the POTUS to have made mention of a need to rid the country of these piss ant gang bangers, some comitting murder just a "mile from My home". But of course, that might upset the black caucus and the rev Sharpton.

When will someone, anyone, any party, have the stones to cut the heads off these bottom dwellers.

Reopen Alcatraze Regards

HPL
02-13-2013, 10:08 AM
Buzz is correct!
Those guys should be caught and put in prison, forever!!

They have been caught. One of them was loose on probation for a (ready for this one?.........I almost hate to say it ;-) ) gun charge of some sort!! The irony slays me. ;-)

The shooting was apparently a case of mistaken identity. I sort of hesitate to say this, but the dad looked a bit gangsta to me, but that just maybe the Chi-town look these days.

Dan Storts
02-13-2013, 10:23 AM
Mr Storts, Your solution is?

There is not a fix all solution because the majority, cattle in this case, are believing everything the herd bull is saying.

Some are lucky and able to move from one state to another without any problems. Look at the decline in population of California. Then there is the possibility of moving to another county if the need would arise.

If USSR was replaced with United States in the Articles, I listed yesterday, and put on a ballot for the public to vote it would likely pass 60/40 or better. However, if the next ballot question was (Would you like to adopt USSR's Constitution yes/no). It would fail 10/90, it may even go to 15% because there are those drones among us which insist on free.

The minority breaking point of a society is usually around the 25 to 30 percent range. Currently that is a distant point but if you heard in the SOTU a earlier pre school education system was promoted. That is the best way to accomplish this goal but it is a 20 to 30 year plan. I just hope all the 20 to 40 year olds, which are today's cattle, are still around to enjoy this chaos.

BonMallari
02-13-2013, 11:43 AM
I think you may have been confused. Those people were parents of a girl who marched in his inauguration parade & then was shot and killed like a week later in a Chicago park that is within a mile of Obama's Chicago home.

I stand corrected...thank you

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2013, 12:03 PM
Currently that is a distant point but if you heard in the SOTU a earlier pre school education system was promoted.
How appropriate ... right after the agency's own study has proven that Head Start has proven itself totally useless; and even with negative impact by 3rd grade for both academic and social behaviors.

Of course, the problem with Head Start may be that it may be more prevalent in the same neighborhoods that have the worst schools and most violence, so any advantage gained in Head Start is easily overwhelmed with the existing, failing public schools.

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2013, 12:04 PM
Perhaps we need to refresh our memories again ...








"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

ripline
02-13-2013, 06:09 PM
Perhaps we need to refresh our memories again ...

How dare you quote that.
Just shows that he is a POS and should not be the POTUS.

Over and over again, he lies to our face and never gets called on it.
Bottom line is he is by far the best campaigner the USA has ever had. It's all he does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JDogger
02-13-2013, 07:10 PM
They have been caught. One of them was loose on probation for a (ready for this one?.........I almost hate to say it ;-) ) gun charge of some sort!! The irony slays me. ;-)

The shooting was apparently a case of mistaken identity. I sort of hesitate to say this, but the dad looked a bit gangsta to me, but that just maybe the Chi-town look these days.
Really? ?? JD

Sundown49 aka Otey B
02-13-2013, 08:23 PM
Then after a new episode of Justified, my new favorite evening drama, then hit the desk…… Why, what else was good on television last evening?:confused:
Ken you duplicated my evening..:) I can't stand to watch any politics any more. I am glad I am OLD as I won't be around to see the total demise of this country.

HPL
02-13-2013, 10:17 PM
Really? ?? JD

Here's a link to the story.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/justice/illinois-chicago-killing/index.html?iref=allsearch

JDogger
02-13-2013, 10:37 PM
Here's a link to the story.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/justice/illinois-chicago-killing/index.html?iref=allsearch

Thanks for the link Hugh. My "really" comment had to do with your observation of Dad looking somewhat "gangsta" himself.

FWIW so do some of the RTF hat pictures.:(

JD

HPL
02-13-2013, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the link Hugh. My "really" comment had to do with your observation of Dad looking somewhat "gangsta" himself.

FWIW so do some of the RTF hat pictures.:(

JD

If the forum would allow such short responses, I would have simply replied "Ah" As in "I gotcha".

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2013, 11:54 PM
I understand the POTUS also mentioned raising the min. wage to $9.00/hr. That sure won't help the lower-skilled people get jobs. If employers have to pay more, they will expect more. All consumers will, of course, pay more for the product or service.

In fact, employers already expect more for an hour's wage. Remember when a secretary had to type and take shorthand, and actually had to know how to spell? Computers made some of that easier, but that was replaced with needing to know about Word and Xcel, and how to share those files. I can attest that it was a lot easier to understand Xcel by having an understanding of algebra. (I'm so old I started with Lotus 123 on DOS!)

If our educational system is so abysmal, how can people be trained to operate these pieces of software if they don't have reading comprehension or have some familiarity with high school freshman algebra? So, what good is raising the minimum wage going to do to solve that problem? Of course, if everyone who already has a minimum wage job, it might raise their income high enough so they will have to pay some taxes? I'd guess that more likely is that those workers already experienced will expect a raise above those who are less skilled. That has been the case in the past. Now, those higher-ranked workers, who are already paying income taxes, will get to pay more taxes :-)

Gerry Clinchy
02-13-2013, 11:58 PM
Some background on the 102-yr-old woman who was at the SOTU speech. The story seemed to be that she had to wait for many hours in a long line, with some additional implication that maybe she was purposely being denied the ability to vote.

Actually, she immigrated to the US from Haiti when she was 78 yrs old. She had waited on line for about three hours when one of the pollworkers suggested she come back when the lines were shorter .... and when there would be a translator available to assist her in her naitve Haitian Creole language.

Didn't it used to be required that to become a citizen you needed to know English?

mngundog
02-14-2013, 12:21 AM
I understand the POTUS also mentioned raising the min. wage to $9.00/hr. That sure won't help the lower-skilled people get jobs. If employers have to pay more, they will expect more. All consumers will, of course, pay more for the product or service.

In fact, employers already expect more for an hour's wage. Remember when a secretary had to type and take shorthand, and actually had to know how to spell? Computers made some of that easier, but that was replaced with needing to know about Word and Xcel, and how to share those files. I can attest that it was a lot easier to understand Xcel by having an understanding of algebra. (I'm so old I started with Lotus 123 on DOS!)

If our educational system is so abysmal, how can people be trained to operate these pieces of software if they don't have reading comprehension or have some familiarity with high school freshman algebra? So, what good is raising the minimum wage going to do to solve that problem? Of course, if everyone who already has a minimum wage job, it might raise their income high enough so they will have to pay some taxes? I'd guess that more likely is that those workers already experienced will expect a raise above those who are less skilled. That has been the case in the past. Now, those higher-ranked workers, who are already paying income taxes, will get to pay more taxes :-)
1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation $10.51. Now lets look at CEO pay, they make 400 times more than average worker, 20 times more than 1965. I wonder if the average CEO is 20 times smarter than they were in 1965.

paul young
02-14-2013, 04:24 AM
1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation $10.51. Now lets look at CEO pay, they make 400 times more than average worker, 20 times more than 1965. I wonder if the average CEO is 20 times smarter than they were in 1965.


Of course they're 20 times smarter; how else would they have been able to raise their wages like that "when nobody was looking"? LMAO!!!!!

road kill
02-14-2013, 06:16 AM
Thanks for the link Hugh. My "really" comment had to do with your observation of Dad looking somewhat "gangsta" himself.

FWIW so do some of the RTF hat pictures.:(

JD

FWIW: Nothing could be further from the truth.

coachmo
02-14-2013, 07:12 AM
Just wondering paul young or mngundog are you referring to the evil, greedy, conservative CEO's or does your question/comments include all of the ultra-wealthy liberal CEO's as well? I know that's a tough call for liberal thinking individuals since many of the wealthy liberals really don't create many jobs but instead make their money off of the general public!

JDogger
02-14-2013, 07:48 AM
FWIW: Nothing could be further from the truth.

Jess jivin' wit ya...;)

paul young
02-14-2013, 08:02 AM
Just wondering paul young or mngundog are you referring to the evil, greedy, conservative CEO's or does your question/comments include all of the ultra-wealthy liberal CEO's as well? I know that's a tough call for liberal thinking individuals since many of the wealthy liberals really don't create many jobs but instead make their money off of the general public!

EVERY BLESSED ONE OF 'EM. Party affiliation/ political philosophy is a non-factor with me. And wages are just a part of the story. A major portion of their wages are in stock options. They are way overpaid, in my opinion.

They aren't like a small business owner, who has skin in the game. There is virtually no risk for these guys. Many have completely destroyed the businesses they were hired to run profitably. When they do, they get severance bonuses that will exceed most people's LIFETIME EARNINGS and get hired somewhere else or write a book or go on tour giving "motivational lectures". Then the next guy (if the company is still in business) get's the same wage package OR MORE. Middle and low level management and the worker bees are the ones that get screwed to compensate for the loss of sales/revenue caused by really bad decisions at the top management levels and pay for his severance package.

-And they ALL make their money off the general public!-Paul

road kill
02-14-2013, 08:06 AM
Jess jivin' wit ya...;)
JD, I was trying to look like a cross between The Blues Brothers and Sheriff Buford T. Justice

mngundog
02-14-2013, 09:19 AM
Just wondering paul young or mngundog are you referring to the evil, greedy, conservative CEO's or does your question/comments include all of the ultra-wealthy liberal CEO's as well? I know that's a tough call for liberal thinking individuals since many of the wealthy liberals really don't create many jobs but instead make their money off of the general public!
Gerry I don't know where coachmo is coming up with this stuff, but I was simply stating some facts with no political affiliation involved. CEO pay have increased 20 times while minimum wage has declined about 25% over the same time period. It is an interesting observation when discussing minimum wage, lets try not to turn it into something that is not. If Mo wants to go on a random rant, take it for what its worth.

Dan Storts
02-14-2013, 10:25 AM
EVERY BLESSED ONE OF 'EM. Party affiliation/ political philosophy is a non-factor with me. And wages are just a part of the story. A major portion of their wages are in stock options. They are way overpaid, in my opinion.

They aren't like a small business owner, who has skin in the game. There is virtually no risk for these guys. Many have completely destroyed the businesses they were hired to run profitably. When they do, they get severance bonuses that will exceed most people's LIFETIME EARNINGS and get hired somewhere else or write a book or go on tour giving "motivational lectures". Then the next guy (if the company is still in business) get's the same wage package OR MORE. Middle and low level management and the worker bees are the ones that get screwed to compensate for the loss of sales/revenue caused by really bad decisions at the top management levels and pay for his severance package.

-And they ALL make their money off the general public!-Paul

I knew eventually someone would have to bring up CEO President Obama of the United States of America Corporation into this discussion.

coachmo
02-14-2013, 11:07 AM
mngundog,
Since you have no idea where I am coming up with stuff let me explain it for you. There is an underlying theme on RTF that all of the evil, corrupt CEO's are conservatives or Republicans (which is not the same thing) and that record gets played alot on here. Sorry if I wandered off point!

lennie
02-14-2013, 11:40 AM
Sorry, I fell off this discussion.....but to answer your question, "how do you post to RTF with no internet"....A: Work

duckheads
02-14-2013, 11:50 AM
EVERY BLESSED ONE OF 'EM. Party affiliation/ political philosophy is a non-factor with me. And wages are just a part of the story. A major portion of their wages are in stock options. They are way overpaid, in my opinion.

They aren't like a small business owner, who has skin in the game. There is virtually no risk for these guys. Many have completely destroyed the businesses they were hired to run profitably. When they do, they get severance bonuses that will exceed most people's LIFETIME EARNINGS and get hired somewhere else or write a book or go on tour giving "motivational lectures". Then the next guy (if the company is still in business) get's the same wage package OR MORE. Middle and low level management and the worker bees are the ones that get screwed to compensate for the loss of sales/revenue caused by really bad decisions at the top management levels and pay for his severance package.

-And they ALL make their money off the general public!-Paul


Kind of like what Geitner did for the executives of GM? Didn't see any of you left leaning fellers starting a post or commenting on the millions they got from Obama's man while still owing the tax payers billions of dollars. Where is the outrage from the left on this subject?

lennie
02-14-2013, 11:51 AM
As to JDogger and the meaning of my thread....I know that Mr. Nugent is not a fan of the current POTUS, I had read that Mr. Nugent was invited to hear the speech and wondered why he would attend...I am probably wrong but I didn't think there was a question and answer portion of the State of the Union Address. I was just curious if any of you thought Ted would try to ask Barak a question (on gun control, of course). I think it might be interesting the questions Ted might ask or since I have seen prior discussions on here where it didn't seem like Ted was a very popular sort with the RTF crowd I was curious to your thoughts on what the purpose was for Ted to attend the speech. (of course, it is still a free country as of today,) so I guess he can attend if he wants too!

And yes, so far this is not a blocked site at my work place....

lennie
02-14-2013, 11:58 AM
As to JDogger and the meaning of my thread....I know that Mr. Nugent is not a fan of the current POTUS, I had read that Mr. Nugent was invited to hear the speech and wondered why he would attend...I am probably wrong but I didn't think there was a question and answer portion of the State of the Union Address. I was just curious if any of you thought Ted would try to ask Barak a question (on gun control, of course). I think it might be interesting the questions Ted might ask or since I have seen prior discussions on here where it didn't seem like Ted was a very popular sort with the RTF crowd I was curious to your thoughts on what the purpose was for Ted to attend the speech. (of course, it is still a free country as of today,) so I guess he can attend if he wants too!

And yes, so far this is not a blocked site at my work place....

paul young
02-14-2013, 12:00 PM
Kind of like what Paulson did for the executives of Goldman-Sachs? Didn't see any of you right leaning fellers starting a post or commenting on the BILLIONS they got from Bush's man. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/10/101753/inaction-by-treasurys-paulson.html Where is the outrage from the Right on this subject?

Fixed it for ya!-Paul

Franco
02-14-2013, 12:34 PM
Neither the Repubs or the Dems have cornered the corruption market, as they both share equally in Crony Capitalism. To think that one party is superior to the other in Cronyism is folly. And, to support either Party means you support the Status Quo!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s480x480/404515_507072369331004_255757478_n.jpg

duckheads
02-14-2013, 01:11 PM
Kind of like what Paulson did for the executives of Goldman-Sachs? Didn't see any of you right leaning fellers starting a post or commenting on the BILLIONS they got from Bush's man. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/10/10/101753/inaction-by-treasurys-paulson.html Where is the outrage from the Right on this subject?

Fixed it for ya!-Paul


why don't you do a forum search. I believe many of us right leaners were not to happy about that. I believe most of us righties were not happy with GWB's spending and have stated that fact time and time again.

Sorry Charlie better try again.