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mudminnow
02-13-2013, 11:07 AM
Here is the state of the union and its responses, so if you have time to watch or listen and see the differences in and within political parties:

Fascist:
http://www.youtube.com/user/whitehouse

Fascist Lite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLmZbBh83-I

Limited Gov't:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iEJ75z13Ao

limited Govt and drugs: (not really, but i was going to head huntinman off with libertarian weed comment :D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmFXRe5Z68

BonMallari
02-13-2013, 03:58 PM
So does that mean that anyone but "your" guy is a Fascist, I may not like BHO but even I don't think of him as a Fascist, maybe more Marxist

Franco
02-13-2013, 04:06 PM
Official Response to the State Of The Union.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmFXRe5Z68


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s480x480/426013_573449502667820_1412871634_n.jpg

mudminnow
02-13-2013, 05:05 PM
I see him as a fascist because he, on the outside acts like a supporter of private business, but tries to control every aspect by laws, divides people into classes, and makes up conflicts (economic and warfare) to get his agenda across. Marxism supposively supports the lower class, but obama, while acting like he cares about them, fills his and his friends pockets with money due to crony capitalism. I believe this would classify him as a fascist, but i could be wrong.

BonMallari
02-13-2013, 06:27 PM
I see him as a fascist because he, on the outside acts like a supporter of private business, but tries to control every aspect by laws, divides people into classes, and makes up conflicts (economic and warfare) to get his agenda across. Marxism supposively supports the lower class, but obama, while acting like he cares about them, fills his and his friends pockets with money due to crony capitalism. I believe this would classify him as a fascist, but i could be wrong.

and you classify Rubio as Fascist light ?

paul young
02-13-2013, 06:34 PM
Wait a minute. I thought he was a Socialist. Make up my mind, will ya????

Franco
02-13-2013, 10:13 PM
24hrs since Rubio's rebuttle and not a word on POTUS regarding his perfrormance?

I thought he did a better job than Jindal but still failed at inspiring a following. He seemed nervous, wiping his temples and diving off camera for a slip of water! He stumbled through the GOP mantra which is why he didn't really make any points other than saying, "the government can't change the weather".

Such an opportunity for the GOP to assume the high ground on all things Outdoors. I doubt they'll attempt to lead on the issue. It is however, what many Americans want to hear! Obama's lackluster SOTU was an opportunity for the GOP to shine. Yet, they dropped the ball.

I'll also say that I was disappointed in Rand's response. It was obviously recorded prior to Obama's speach. He's currently looking to get the people's support within the GOP via the various Teas. Give him credit for working within the system. But, I think he like his Dad will be alienated by the GOP establishment.

If you haven't watched the link on post #3. Best Response, the clearest and most sensible I've heard.

BonMallari
02-14-2013, 01:12 AM
24hrs since Rubio's rebuttle and not a word on POTUS regarding his perfrormance?

I thought he did a better job than Jindal but still failed at inspiring a following. He seemed nervous, wiping his temples and diving off camera for a slip of water! He stumbled through the GOP mantra which is why he didn't really make any points other than saying, "the government can't change the weather".

Such an opportunity for the GOP to assume the high ground on all things Outdoors. I doubt they'll attempt to lead on the issue. It is however, what many Americans want to hear! Obama's lackluster SOTU was an opportunity for the GOP to shine. Yet, they dropped the ball.

I'll also say that I was disappointed in Rand's response. It was obviously recorded prior to Obama's speach. He's currently looking to get the people's support within the GOP via the various Teas. Give him credit for working within the system. But, I think he like his Dad will be alienated by the GOP establishment.

If you haven't watched the link on post #3. Best Response, the clearest and most sensible I've heard.


Here is my take :

Rubio gave an empassioned speech, IMO he connects with the voters, especially the middle class and Latino voter...the fact that the lamestream left attacked him this morning on having to take a drink of water, means he hit a nerve

Rand Paul gave the type of response he had to give. He didnt give the opposition anything to fire back on him

IMO again, they double teamed the SOTU the way it needed to be done, classy but firm, dignified...unless someone else steps up these two young lions are the future of the Party...if the left starts attacking them, then it only shows that they consider them a threat

They didnt need to hit a home run last night, its only the pre game warm ups..They both did well, give them their props

mudminnow
02-14-2013, 08:51 AM
and you classify Rubio as Fascist light ?

Yeah i do, just because he is buddyin up with establishment, going to cave on immigration reform, voting record, and not even mentioning the extrajudicial killings of american citizens. Do i like him beter than Obama, absolutely, Romney? absolutely. He is still a fan of big government. Just look at his vote for NDAA 2012 which allowed the indefinite detention of American citizens. He still has some big issues against him in my book. I still think The libertarian party response is the best, (which is in the original post under "limited government with drugs", and in Franco's post)

These guys need to pump their brakes in the media a bit if they want to ge the nomination. I would be looking at grassroots and not getting into the media until 2014. I am always so scared for new politicians to get into the spotlight because the media is licking their chops preparing to rip them to shreds.

huntinman
02-14-2013, 09:10 AM
Rubio gave a fine speech. He hit all the points he was trying to hit. It didn't mater really (What does it matter anyway) anyway... Because, the media was just going to blast him regardless. They are in full Obama lapdog mode. Who cares if the man took a drink of water during a speech for goodness sakes? Didn't hurt a thing and certainly not the CONTENT of the speech.

One thing for sure, Rubio's speech was much shorter than Obama's, but he said so much more.

mudminnow
02-14-2013, 09:23 AM
One thing for sure, Rubio's speech was much shorter than Obama's, but he said so much more.

Absolutely, I think washington speech writers need to go to the Reverend Maclean (Norman Maclean's father) writing school, "half as long" rewrite, then "half as long"

huntinman
02-14-2013, 09:38 AM
Great article today by George Will of the Wasington Post on Calvin Coolidge. Part of it compares his brevity to Obama's penchant for droning on and on. Also, Coolidge was known for cutting govt excess and growing the economy. Again, just the opposite of Obama.

mudminnow
02-14-2013, 09:47 AM
Good article on ol Cal

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/galles1.html

huntinman
02-14-2013, 10:20 AM
Good article on ol Cal

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/galles1.html

Very good... we could use a man like that now. Problem is, nobody would listen to him.

Franco
02-14-2013, 10:53 AM
I like Lew Rockwell's newsletters.

Y'all do know that he was partners with Ron Paul writing many of RP's newsletter from Ron's speeches, as well as taking creative liberty to write some under Ron's name. Some of which were in the news as being controversial.

Rockwell also has podcast avialble on his website and has been one of the voices of the Libertarian Party for some time now.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/

This is worth posting again! Carla Howell, you are my kind of woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmFXRe5Z68

mudminnow
02-14-2013, 11:02 AM
Lew's podcasts are great. I have a bit of a drive for work one day each week and always catch up then. They are very informative and educational. Even if you think libertarians are crazy, they are not in your face and actually very optimistic unlike the MSM. If you get a chance, instead of listening to limbaugh for 30 minutes, listen to a rockwell podcast. After to podcast is done you can go back to listening to rush because he will be still talking about the same thing,(yet i still like listening to Rush, he is entertaining).

Gerry Clinchy
02-14-2013, 11:46 AM
"Drone on" is a good way to describe Obama's speeches. After four years of this, the cadence, rhythm and content sounds just like "the same ole, same ole." The exception now is that it is more scary because the hollow words of 2009 were only rhetoric that went largely unfulfilled except for the part about more govt control, more spending, more taxation. And even more scary that so many people still worship those words.

He needs some new speechwriters.

Daniel J Simoens
02-14-2013, 11:49 AM
"Drone on" is a good way to describe Obama's speeches. After four years of this, the cadence, rhythm and content sounds just like "the same ole, same ole." The exception now is that it is more scary because the hollow words of 2009 were only rhetoric that went largely unfulfilled except for the part about more govt control, more spending, more taxation. And even more scary that so many people still worship those words.

He needs some new speechwriters.

http://youtu.be/vowHQwFUHAY

Franco
02-14-2013, 08:05 PM
Yeah i do, just because he is buddyin up with establishment, going to cave on immigration reform, voting record, and not even mentioning the extrajudicial killings of american citizens. Do i like him beter than Obama, absolutely, Romney? absolutely. He is still a fan of big government. Just look at his vote for NDAA 2012 which allowed the indefinite detention of American citizens. He still has some big issues against him in my book. I still think The libertarian party response is the best, (which is in the original post under "limited government with drugs", and in Franco's post)

These guys need to pump their brakes in the media a bit if they want to ge the nomination. I would be looking at grassroots and not getting into the media until 2014. I am always so scared for new politicians to get into the spotlight because the media is licking their chops preparing to rip them to shreds.

I didn't catch Carla Howell's link on you orginal post because the way you titled it, didn't interest me. I posted it on Facebook and I stopped counting how many times it has been shared! The news media doesn't have the vision to see beyond Blue and Red. That Official Response should have been on all the major news carriers! Her delivery is authoritative, forceful, direct, clear and free of amatuerism.