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Brandoned
02-21-2013, 02:21 PM
I am probably the youngest person that post on POTUS (and I very rarely do), so I have a question for you older guys, and ladies. Would you have ever thought that you would see the day when the following things would happen or are in the process of happening in this country?

Legalize marijuana?
Make ILLEGAL immigrants legal, which therefore makes them eligible for programs they have never contributed too!
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS (Gun Owners) would be looked at as scum of the earth, and the prez pretty much calls us that?

I could name several more, but here are a few that really get me.

Oh btw, HEY DEMS ARE YOU HAPPY YET???? Your guy is doing a GREAT job! I can remember one of you in particular that said “He isn’t going to mess with our 2nd Ammendment”

Tom. P.
02-21-2013, 02:59 PM
Hi Brandon,
Liberalism is a mental disorder. I didnt make that up heard Michael Savage say it more than once!
But does'nt it make sense? One can understand all this happening where liberals have brainwashed the masses. But it's growing more and more which is the scarry thing. It is hard to believe there are so many gullable people in the Country but thats where we are today. I still believe that common sense will prevail one day, but I fear it will take a tragic event to wake folks up!
Many States are finally returning to a conservative approach but nationally the liberals still are winning.
Just my 2cents

BonMallari
02-21-2013, 03:19 PM
I just had this conversation with RK this morning...I can remember when they initiated a nonsmoking ban at a few restaurants in certain California cities. I honestly thought that it would never hold up in court

Well fast forward 20 yrs later and its now illegal in some Calif cities to smoke in public places outdoors....

and I am a Non Smoker


Think again that they cant legislate away some personal liberties...

jeff evans
02-21-2013, 03:30 PM
I am as well a younger guy, early 30's and have always had the "it wont happen in my time" attitude. Which brings up a more important question; is it a good idea to bring children into the world these days in America? Take a look at this one and make note of the ratio between D and R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convi cted_of_crimes

road kill
02-21-2013, 03:46 PM
It's a shame that you youngbloods don't get the America we fought and worked so hard to give you.

My personal apologies...........but beware, many like the taste of the nipple!

charly_t
02-21-2013, 04:10 PM
I am probably the youngest person that post on POTUS (and I very rarely do), so I have a question for you older guys, and ladies. Would you have ever thought that you would see the day when the following things would happen or are in the process of happening in this country?

Legalize marijuana?
Make ILLEGAL immigrants legal, which therefore makes them eligible for programs they have never contributed too!
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS (Gun Owners) would be looked at as scum of the earth, and the prez pretty much calls us that?

I could name several more, but here are a few that really get me.

Oh btw, HEY DEMS ARE YOU HAPPY YET???? Your guy is doing a GREAT job! I can remember one of you in particular that said “He isn’t going to mess with our 2nd Ammendment”

I qualify as old........75 years so I will answer ..........No I never would have thought that would happen. The surprising thing to me is my relatives ( some as old as myself ) who have embraced Obama and his
politics. Just plain crazy the things etc. that are happening.

Uncle Bill
02-21-2013, 04:13 PM
I am as well a younger guy, early 30's and have always had the "it wont happen in my time" attitude. Which brings up a more important question; is it a good idea to bring children into the world these days in America? Take a look at this one and make note of the ratio between D and R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convi cted_of_crimes


As opposed to answering the op, and at the risk of getting the SAPP from NM's ire up, I can empathize with your question. I used to question my own parents bringing children into the America they were living in in the "dirty 30's" in the Dakotas. I'm obviously happy they did, but I've wondered many times if my wife and I would have had our children if we had lived in a different era of time. My parents came out of WWI, into the Great Depression, the dirty 30's, and WWII. My brother and I were a product of that era. We were survivors, much as you and your family will be in this present age.

As to Brandon's query, Tom may have given him the knowledgeable answer. I'm at a loss as to coming up with anything that might be even a little optomistic. You have to realize, Brandon, while I wasn't ever much of a pessimist, I'm afraid I've become seriously disillusiond in the America I was raised in. I understand your fears as to what is in front of you, and how helpless you may feel after viewing what passes for the "news" information coming from the MSP, and watching them swoon at the feet of the current POTUS as if he's some sort of messiah. You can see through all that phoniness, but then you watch your neighbors applaud and genuflect for this same individual you see ruing what America you were counting on during your lifetime.

I'm unsure what to advise, but you may have seen me post this on other threads. I'm hoping young guys like you will correct my feelings of despair, and find a way to overcome what this nation is suffering through.

UB

The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again concern myself with the aforementioned
Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

You will never again out vote the people who gave Obama four more years.

It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away.

It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.

sick lids
02-21-2013, 04:55 PM
The best thing you can do is try to get as many young people to wake up and pay attention. Study some history and not just American, our borders have not been here long enough to give you perspective to what is happening...Our fore fathers feared democracy as much as they feared a king and rightly so. They knew we would eventually go down the road we are heading because history told them so.

youngblood
02-21-2013, 06:49 PM
I am probably the youngest person that post on POTUS (and I very rarely do), so I have a question for you older guys, and ladies. Would you have ever thought that you would see the day when the following things would happen or are in the process of happening in this country?

Legalize marijuana?
Make ILLEGAL immigrants legal, which therefore makes them eligible for programs they have never contributed too!
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS (Gun Owners) would be looked at as scum of the earth, and the prez pretty much calls us that?

I could name several more, but here are a few that really get me.

Oh btw, HEY DEMS ARE YOU HAPPY YET???? Your guy is doing a GREAT job! I can remember one of you in particular that said “He isn’t going to mess with our 2nd Ammendment”

I would say that at 21 I am close to the youngest... and to answer your question, you have to look into history as sick lids suggested.

Legalize Marijuana? After experimentation in the 50's and the "hippie" movement of the 60's (RK, whose generation was this? I do not know your age, just asking. I hate when people blame our generation for current issues. Problems like today's do not happen overnight. It is continual negligence), many were calling for legalization. Look at the leaders of those movements. They aren't in college; they still sport the pony tails from their youth.
Illegals? Immigration was generally open until world war II. Here is a question I think many need to think about (especially those who take advantage of our welfare system): What job is so far "below" yourself that you will not take it? Is the pursuit of the American Dream really just a pursuit of American Greed? Maybe illegals would not be so inclined to work in the US as much if Americans got off the couch and worked a minimum wage job. How do you think I am paying for school?
Guns? Ever since the massive government programs of the 1930's, the government has been trying to take control of what citizens do in all aspects of life. Another question: Why is having a gun held in such a negative light today? Where did this start? To answer this, look at today's media and cinema. How are guns portrayed?

If one is going to talk about history and America, Rome must be in the discussion. We, America, are sliding down the same slope the Romans did. If we do not look to history, IT WILL REPEAT ITSELF. Detach yourself from current issues for a moment and learn something about ancient Rome. How could the Romans have avoided destruction? How does that translate to modern day America?
If anyone can figure this out, I will stand behind them. It would be an answer to an age old question and, I believe, the answer to the future of our great country.

road kill
02-21-2013, 06:54 PM
I would say that at 21 I am close to the youngest... and to answer your question, you have to look into history as sick lids suggested.

Legalize Marijuana? After experimentation in the 50's and the "hippie" movement of the 60's (RK, whose generation was this? I do not know your age, just asking. I hate when people blame our generation for current issues. Problems like today's do not happen overnight. It is continual negligence), many were calling for legalization. Look at the leaders of those movements. They aren't in college; they still sport the pony tails from their youth.
Illegals? Immigration was generally open until world war II. Here is a question I think many need to think about (especially those who take advantage of our welfare system): What job is so far "below" yourself that you will not take it? Is the pursuit of the American Dream really just a pursuit of American Greed? Maybe illegals would not be so inclined to work in the US as much if Americans got off the couch and worked a minimum wage job. How do you think I am paying for school?
Guns? Ever since the massive government programs of the 1930's, the government has been trying to take control of what citizens do in all aspects of life. Another question: Why is having a gun held in such a negative light today? Where did this start? To answer this, look at today's media and cinema. How are guns portrayed?

If one is going to talk about history and America, Rome must be in the discussion. We, America, are sliding down the same slope the Romans did. If we do not look to history, IT WILL REPEAT ITSELF. Detach yourself from current issues for a moment and learn something about ancient Rome. How could the Romans have avoided destruction? How does that translate to modern day America?
If anyone can figure this out, I will stand behind them. It would be an answer to an age old question and, I believe, the answer to the future of our great country.

I am 61 it is my generation and we screwed it up.
The people running things now are the runts that didn't get picked at recess.
The right fielders in LL.

The people who never had the motivation to get out and do things, they sat in class until there was nowhere else to go but acadamia and politics.

Obama has never built a damned things, he just tears stuff down.
And he is very good at it!

Franco
02-21-2013, 07:43 PM
I would say that at 21 I am close to the youngest... and to answer your question, you have to look into history as sick lids suggested.

Legalize Marijuana? After experimentation in the 50's and the "hippie" movement of the 60's (RK, whose generation was this? I do not know your age, just asking. I hate when people blame our generation for current issues. Problems like today's do not happen overnight. It is continual negligence), many were calling for legalization. Look at the leaders of those movements. They aren't in college; they still sport the pony tails from their youth.
Illegals? Immigration was generally open until world war II. Here is a question I think many need to think about (especially those who take advantage of our welfare system): What job is so far "below" yourself that you will not take it? Is the pursuit of the American Dream really just a pursuit of American Greed? Maybe illegals would not be so inclined to work in the US as much if Americans got off the couch and worked a minimum wage job. How do you think I am paying for school?
Guns? Ever since the massive government programs of the 1930's, the government has been trying to take control of what citizens do in all aspects of life. Another question: Why is having a gun held in such a negative light today? Where did this start? To answer this, look at today's media and cinema. How are guns portrayed?

If one is going to talk about history and America, Rome must be in the discussion. We, America, are sliding down the same slope the Romans did. If we do not look to history, IT WILL REPEAT ITSELF. Detach yourself from current issues for a moment and learn something about ancient Rome. How could the Romans have avoided destruction? How does that translate to modern day America?
If anyone can figure this out, I will stand behind them. It would be an answer to an age old question and, I believe, the answer to the future of our great country.

Are you sure you want to draw comparisons to Rome?

For the first 700 years, until 50BC, Rome was a Republic. From 50BC till the official fall of Rome in 410 they were ruled by Ceasars. Their greatest prosperity was from100 BC till around 200 AD when Rome became a Christian nation. During that period, their wealth can from robbing and pillaging other peoples. Other than art, Rome produced nothing but an effective army. In fact, at the time of Jesus, there were more slaves in Rome than citizens. From around 200 AD until the official fall, when the Visagoths walked into the city and sacked it, they were ruled by Christians;-)

P S
Pres. Reagan declared Amnesty for 11 million illegals back in the 80's. All that did was encourage another flood of illegals.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:02 PM
I am probably the youngest person that post on POTUS (and I very rarely do), so I have a question for you older guys, and ladies. Would you have ever thought that you would see the day when the following things would happen or are in the process of happening in this country?

Legalize marijuana? States rights you know...
Make ILLEGAL immigrants legal, which therefore makes them eligible for programs they have never contributed too! There has been no definitive immigration policy proposed or passed as yet.
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS (Gun Owners) would be looked at as scum of the earth, and the prez pretty much calls us that? Can you cite that.

I could name several more, but here are a few that really get me. Go for it.

Oh btw, HEY DEMS ARE YOU HAPPY YET???? Your guy is doing a GREAT job! I can remember one of you in particular that said “He isn’t going to mess with our 2nd Ammendment” At this point any gun legislation proposed or passed has been at the state level

This thread intrigues me. I will try to post responces to each reply, rather than link them all together. My replies above are in red.

PS I will try to review my responces and use spell check before I hit submit. JD

Marvin S
02-21-2013, 08:05 PM
Born during the Hoover administration, cast my 1st POTUS vote for Adlai Stevenson (but have smartened up since) so have seen a lot of things come & go.

You have more choices today but less freedom, opportunities still exist but need to be ID'd & most take hard work :). The MSM is corrupt, you have to follow alternate publications while keeping up with what the MSM does. You must remember the depression of the 30's was caused by the financial excesses of the 20's, so history repeats itself. I still have pictures of the flappers of that era.

As parents one must teach their children what life is going to be like - when our 3rd son was in the Marines his drill instructor commented that he was the only young man in the troop that had never cried when confronted with adverse conditions. Like dogs people learn to deal with pressure. But that says much about how soft our nation has become.

Spending has to be reined in - in WA (with our aerospace, tech & biotech sectors) pay for public employees is still about 60% higher than the private sector. That's without discussing benefits. There is no reason for that disparity between sectors except PE Unions & their financial clout in elections.

If you want the government to take care of you, we see how good that's working right now. Everything they do is bankrupt.

There is too much personal greed, & I do not mean that greed that comes from working hard but the personal greed of wanting something at someone else's expense.

& as Stan said "the folks of his generation started this". But there was not a requirement to listen & some didn't so it happened because the majority of folks allowed it to.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:09 PM
Hi Brandon,
Liberalism is a mental disorder. I didnt make that up heard Michael Savage say it more than once!
But does'nt it make sense? One can understand all this happening where liberals have brainwashed the masses. But it's growing more and more which is the scarry thing. It is hard to believe there are so many gullable people in the Country but thats where we are today. I still believe that common sense will prevail one day, but I fear it will take a tragic event to wake folks up!
Many States are finally returning to a conservative approach but nationally the liberals still are winning.
Just my 2cents

Liberalism is no more a mental disorder than conservatism, regardless of what M. Savage says. Tom the brainwashed include you as well. JD

luvmylabs23139
02-21-2013, 08:14 PM
I am probably the youngest person that post on POTUS (and I very rarely do), so I have a question for you older guys, and ladies. Would you have ever thought that you would see the day when the following things would happen or are in the process of happening in this country?

Legalize marijuana? no, but then again I would never have thought Cigs would be banned everywhere
Make ILLEGAL immigrants legal, which therefore makes them eligible for programs they have never contributed too! Yes as it happened before in the late 80's and it made me furious back then. As a legal immigrant it makes my blood boil. I can remember being in my early 20s getting a promotion at work and having a temp to perm doing my old job. She was in her 50s doing a great job but got denied the perm job only because the company as a govt contractor had to do not ask me why give jobs to minorities rather than the qualified person and that slot as it was open was chosen by HR. SO suddenly I'm told I have to train another person for the job while doing my new job (again) and in walks a new legal citizen who was AN ILLEGAL BORDER JUMPER!!!! I almost quit 3 times in the process but being so young I was able to be bribed with created "training bonuses". When I quit eventually I said in front of a ton of employees directly to the controler that I will miss the people but not the crap that happened about illegal border jumpers!
LAW ABIDING CITIZENS (Gun Owners) would be looked at as scum of the earth, and the prez pretty much calls us that? yes, the ban in the 90's and growing up in CT I know the liberal stupid idiot attitude.

I could name several more, but here are a few that really get me.

Oh btw, HEY DEMS ARE YOU HAPPY YET???? Your guy is doing a GREAT job! I can remember one of you in particular that said “He isn’t going to mess with our 2nd Ammendment”
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JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:14 PM
I just had this conversation with RK this morning...I can remember when they initiated a nonsmoking ban at a few restaurants in certain California cities. I honestly thought that it would never hold up in court

Well fast forward 20 yrs later and its now illegal in some Calif cities to smoke in public places outdoors....

and I am a Non Smoker


Think again that they cant legislate away some personal liberties...


I am a smoker, Bon. I have no problem with restricting it in public if that is what the state or municipality wants as their standard. Once again states rights or local standards. JD

luvmylabs23139
02-21-2013, 08:27 PM
This thread intrigues me. I will try to post responces to each reply, rather than link them all together. My replies above are in red.

PS I will try to review my responces and use spell check before I hit submit. JD

Obama broke the law and lets illegal border jumpers stay so far for 2 years, THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND NEED TO BE THROWN BACK OVER THRE BORDER AS SOON AS THEY ARE FOUND> EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. ON THE SPOT END OF STORY, PROVE YOUR LEGAL WITHIN 24 HOURS OR BORDER TOSS ( BEST INTO A PIT OF ALLIGATORS)

luvmylabs23139
02-21-2013, 08:36 PM
I am a smoker, Bon. I have no problem with restricting it in public if that is what the state or municipality wants as their standard. Once again states rights or local standards. JD
Yet they want the tax money. I'm a smoker and I don't think they should be allowed to restrict it on private property like resaurants and bars. Let the owner decide and then the patrons can decide whether to still go there end of story. As for parks and such, the can go to hell and I will smoke because I have rights too.
Someone once told me to put it out on the capital mall on the 4th watching the fireworks, bad move, i then chain smoked and blew it in the clowns face non stop. HE MESSED WITH MY FREEDOM!!!

Franco
02-21-2013, 08:38 PM
I am a smoker, Bon. I have no problem with restricting it in public if that is what the state or municipality wants as their standard. Once again states rights or local standards. JD

I work with two smokers that quit successfully with E Cigerettes. Both smoked for decades and thought they could never quit! The come to staff meetings with the e-cig hanging out their mouth! Now, I am beginning to wonder if they can kick the e-smoke. If they do, I'm in;-)

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:42 PM
I am as well a younger guy, early 30's and have always had the "it wont happen in my time" attitude. Which brings up a more important question; is it a good idea to bring children into the world these days in America? Take a look at this one and make note of the ratio between D and R.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convi cted_of_crimes

I can not answer your question. Personally, I chose to not have children for a variety of reasons. JD

coachmo
02-21-2013, 08:43 PM
Franco, your comment regarding the fall of Rome being the fault of Christianity (if that's what you are implying) is like blaming a handgun for a shooting. I don't want to get off topic but if you want to debate the fall of Rome and other critical points of the rise of Christianity I welcome the opportunity.

Dan Storts
02-21-2013, 08:44 PM
Let's say that liberalism and conservatism are religions. The thing right now is Boehner is more liberal than he is conservative. Thus, I really hope this happens, as I have posted before, that the 40 plus liberals are around when this county does finally create unrest.

Explain why our government has purchased over a billion rounds of ammunition in the past 2 years. They are getting ready for this type of event.

Personally have feet and not and can but will travel.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:46 PM
It's a shame that you youngbloods don't get the America we fought and worked so hard to give you.

My personal apologies...........but beware, many like the taste of the nipple!

They have gotten exactly what we gave. JD

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:50 PM
I qualify as old........75 years so I will answer ..........No I never would have thought that would happen. The surprising thing to me is my relatives ( some as old as myself ) who have embraced Obama and his
politics. Just plain crazy the things etc. that are happening.

I never would have thought that a large number of my customers would be coming in to buy Kydex and leather to make their own CC holsters. I even have customers other than LE who open carry...Wild west regards. JD

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:53 PM
As opposed to answering the op, and at the risk of getting the SAPP from NM's ire up, I can empathize with your question. I used to question my own parents bringing children into the America they were living in in the "dirty 30's" in the Dakotas. I'm obviously happy they did, but I've wondered many times if my wife and I would have had our children if we had lived in a different era of time. My parents came out of WWI, into the Great Depression, the dirty 30's, and WWII. My brother and I were a product of that era. We were survivors, much as you and your family will be in this present age.

As to Brandon's query, Tom may have given him the knowledgeable answer. I'm at a loss as to coming up with anything that might be even a little optomistic. You have to realize, Brandon, while I wasn't ever much of a pessimist, I'm afraid I've become seriously disillusiond in the America I was raised in. I understand your fears as to what is in front of you, and how helpless you may feel after viewing what passes for the "news" information coming from the MSP, and watching them swoon at the feet of the current POTUS as if he's some sort of messiah. You can see through all that phoniness, but then you watch your neighbors applaud and genuflect for this same individual you see ruing what America you were counting on during your lifetime.

I'm unsure what to advise, but you may have seen me post this on other threads. I'm hoping young guys like you will correct my feelings of despair, and find a way to overcome what this nation is suffering through.

UB

The second term of Barack Obama will be the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of Blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the forever needy, the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens, and other fellow travelers has ended Norman Rockwell's America.

The US Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's ‘Rules for Radicals’ and Chicago shyster David Axelrod, along with international socialist George Soros, will be pulling the strings on their black puppet to bring us into the New World Order.

The Republicans ran two candidates who couldn't even win their own home states, while circus clown Chris Christie helped Obama over the top with a glowing ‘post - Sandy’ tribute that elevated the phony ‘Commander-in Chief’ to Mother Teresa status.

People like me are now completely politically irrelevant; I will never again concern myself with the aforementioned
Republican coalition, which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

You will never again out vote the people who gave Obama four more years.

It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away.

It will take zealots, not moderates; zealots who will never ‘reach across the aisle’ to RINOs, to right this ship and restore our beloved Country to it's former status.

Those who come after us will have to risk ‘their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor’ to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness

Atlas has Shrugged, and John Galt has left the building.


I'm going to ignore this post. JD

huntinman
02-21-2013, 08:54 PM
I can not answer your question. Personally, I chose to not have children for a variety of reasons. JD

Thank you...

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:55 PM
the best thing you can do is try to get as many young people to wake up and pay attention. Study some history and not just american, our borders have not been here long enough to give you perspective to what is happening...our fore fathers feared democracy as much as they feared a king and rightly so. They knew we would eventually go down the road we are heading because history told them so.

???????? Jd

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:58 PM
I would say that at 21 I am close to the youngest... and to answer your question, you have to look into history as sick lids suggested.

Legalize Marijuana? After experimentation in the 50's and the "hippie" movement of the 60's (RK, whose generation was this? I do not know your age, just asking. I hate when people blame our generation for current issues. Problems like today's do not happen overnight. It is continual negligence), many were calling for legalization. Look at the leaders of those movements. They aren't in college; they still sport the pony tails from their youth.
Illegals? Immigration was generally open until world war II. Here is a question I think many need to think about (especially those who take advantage of our welfare system): What job is so far "below" yourself that you will not take it? Is the pursuit of the American Dream really just a pursuit of American Greed? Maybe illegals would not be so inclined to work in the US as much if Americans got off the couch and worked a minimum wage job. How do you think I am paying for school?
Guns? Ever since the massive government programs of the 1930's, the government has been trying to take control of what citizens do in all aspects of life. Another question: Why is having a gun held in such a negative light today? Where did this start? To answer this, look at today's media and cinema. How are guns portrayed?

If one is going to talk about history and America, Rome must be in the discussion. We, America, are sliding down the same slope the Romans did. If we do not look to history, IT WILL REPEAT ITSELF. Detach yourself from current issues for a moment and learn something about ancient Rome. How could the Romans have avoided destruction? How does that translate to modern day America?
If anyone can figure this out, I will stand behind them. It would be an answer to an age old question and, I believe, the answer to the future of our great country.

Get into politics. You have the knack. JD

JDogger
02-21-2013, 08:59 PM
I am 61 it is my generation and we screwed it up.
The people running things now are the runts that didn't get picked at recess.
The right fielders in LL.

The people who never had the motivation to get out and do things, they sat in class until there was nowhere else to go but acadamia and politics.

Obama has never built a damned things, he just tears stuff down.
And he is very good at it!

Sigh...........JD

Pete
02-21-2013, 09:01 PM
Are you sure you want to draw comparisons to Rome?

For the first 700 years, until 50BC, Rome was a Republic. From 50BC till the official fall of Rome in 410 they were ruled by Ceasars. Their greatest prosperity was from100 BC till around 200 AD when Rome became a Christian nation. During that period, their wealth can from robbing and pillaging other peoples. Other than art, Rome produced nothing but an effective army. In fact, at the time of Jesus, there were more slaves in Rome than citizens. From around 200 AD until the official fall, when the Visagoths walked into the city and sacked it, they were ruled by Christians:wink:

P S

They were ruled by pagans who used Christianity to get what they wanted. Constantine merged the christian with the pagans to form a universal church. Very clever
Same tactics used today.
Similar to merging the U.S. constitution with a universal society. One is greatly watered down. So much so it no longer resembles the original
Pete

Franco
02-21-2013, 09:07 PM
Franco, your comment regarding the fall of Rome being the fault of Christianity (if that's what you are implying) is like blaming a handgun for a shooting. I don't want to get off topic but if you want to debate the fall of Rome and other critical points of the rise of Christianity I welcome the opportunity.

No, not blaming them. Rome fell from within for several reasons. The Romans were defenseless and those with weapons refused to defend Rome, so the vandals and goths just walked in. Like most empires, it fell from within. I was just pointing out some historical context that differentiates the two. But, there is no denying that Rome was mightier when they were pagan.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 09:11 PM
Thank you...

As always you add nothing. JD

sick lids
02-21-2013, 09:28 PM
I am 61 it is my generation and we screwed it up.






I've heard that 1 but the guy that said it was 86 a few years ago. He said it all went to hell in WW2 when women went to work. He also said that the reason that Europeans have so much disdain for us was cause all the breeding he did there before coming home.

roseberry
02-21-2013, 09:36 PM
rome fell because of pasta! i went by my mamma's house today and she made a big pan of lasagna. i ate the heck out of that stuff and i had to take a nap. it stands to reason that if i ate pasta everyday, my enemies would soon know to just come over and conquer me........right after lunch!

you don't get that in no history book young-uns!

huntinman
02-21-2013, 09:56 PM
As always you add nothing. JD

Something you know a little about.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 10:05 PM
Something you know a little about.

That's it? That's the best you've got? Please give me your best. Tell me what you really think. The gaunlet is thrown down. Will you respond? I doubt it. JD

huntinman
02-21-2013, 10:08 PM
That's it? That's the best you've got? Please give me your best. Tell me what you really think. The gaunlet is thrown down. Will you respond? I doubt it. JD

I don't really care to play your games. But I do find you somewhat amusing in a sad sort of way.

JDogger
02-21-2013, 10:37 PM
I don't really care to play your games. But I do find you somewhat amusing in a sad sort of way.

Yes, you do. Or you wouldn't reply. I'll give you the last word tonight. JD








Maybe

charly_t
02-21-2013, 11:37 PM
I am 61 it is my generation and we screwed it up.
The people running things now are the runts that didn't get picked at recess.
The right fielders in LL.

The people who never had the motivation to get out and do things, they sat in class until there was nowhere else to go but acadamia and politics.

Obama has never built a damned things, he just tears stuff down.
And he is very good at it!

Nope, your generation did not do that. It was going on long before that. The people in this country lost sight of the vision long before that ( at least those in control did ). We have all been guilty in some way I guess. Voted wrong more than once myself. No way to control horses, kids or politicians once they get the bit between their teeth. We have no politically correct way to get their attention. vbeg.

Brandoned
02-24-2013, 11:10 AM
Sorry everyone I started this thread and have not been back on here until today! First off I am glad to see that I am not the youngest, Jeff I am 35 and Youngblood it's very good to see a 21 year old on here. It is funny to see how certain people look at things, I am not saying the way I think is right, but WOW!

Brandoned
02-24-2013, 11:32 AM
This thread intrigues me. I will try to post responces to each reply, rather than link them all together. My replies above are in red.

PS I will try to review my responces and use spell check before I hit submit. JD

JDogger, so do you think it is a good thing to legalize Marijuana, OR is this another issues you are going to ride the fence on? I completely understand it is at a state level at this time btw! Do you think there might be a reason that Marijuana isn't legal in ANY country? What is next?

If you don't think the prez isn't going to push through some kind of immigration law to legalize the illegal’s that are here now, you and I are not even on the same planet!!! But hey look at it on the positive side, your group will pick up millions of votes in the process! However what is going to happen when those are made legal citizens and they immediately file for SSI and all the other freebies? Who is going to pay for that?

Your response on the gun laws is really pretty funny! Do you not consider what the The News Journal in New York as treating law abiding citizens as criminals by publishing all the info on anyone that has a gun permit? Heck they don't even do that on actual criminals!!!!! Also look at how many other media sources have threatened to do the same! I guess if you are ok with giving up more and more of your right's, so be it, but I am not!

mngundog
02-24-2013, 11:51 AM
JDogger, so do you think it is a good thing to legalize Marijuana, OR is this another issues you are going to ride the fence on? I completely understand it is at a state level at this time btw! Do you think there might be a reason that Marijuana isn't legal in ANY country? What is next?

If you don't think the prez isn't going to push through some kind of immigration law to legalize the illegal’s that are here now, you and I are not even on the same planet!!! But hey look at it on the positive side, your group will pick up millions of votes in the process! However what is going to happen when those are made legal citizens and they immediately file for SSI and all the other freebies? Who is going to pay for that?

Your response on the gun laws is really pretty funny! Do you not consider what the The News Journal in New York as treating law abiding citizens as criminals by publishing all the info on anyone that has a gun permit? Heck they don't even do that on actual criminals!!!!! Also look at how many other media sources have threatened to do the same! I guess if you are ok with giving up more and more of your right's, so be it, but I am not!
Brandon both parties are going to push through an immigration plan. You said your only 35 so you may not remember Ronald Reagan granting anmesty to millions of illegals.

Marvin S
02-24-2013, 12:20 PM
JDogger, so do you think it is a good thing

Brandoned - time on this forum will tell you more about the value of someone's opinion. JD is the son of a State Dept employee - he & his wife have chosen not to have children - I do not remember a post of his that would be classified as insightful, including any C & P he might choose to do. He has never listed his calling. The list of folks on this forum he has taken negative pot shots at would make a good list to Friend.

That brief biography should tell you a lot about the quality of info he dispenses :).