Thanks Evan, I have not tried this method yet but I have started back to cc to here 2 days ago. I am not sure how it is going quite yet because I haven't thrown any bumpers without a long rope on him to give him a chance to get away or go around me. I really need to get this worked out because I haven't had any good marking sessions in quite a few weeks due to this issue, we have just beeen doing short fun bumper tosses with the long lead in the yard. I feel like all of her other training is going well but am not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel on a reliable full retrieve to hand. HELP!