That's what I thought!:)
Originally Posted by steve schreiner
Originally Posted by polmaise
Repetition maybe, reprecussion more certain.
It was a real question as opposed to a rhetorical one. I wouldn't fault it as long as it didn't interfere with the working dog. I was really curious since I've never seen it except in dogs that really weren't interested in the first place but muddled through the work (which I really grind my teeth over passing). Sorry if accidentally offensive.
Originally Posted by labguy
I've judged all age stakes for a number of years... In the old days ran HTs and judged them too (NAHRA). I've seen some of the best dogs around show no interest at all in what was going on in the field during their turn at honor. It's because they have learned the routine... We almost always do it after they pick up their birds... So the dog knows its done. The older savvy dogs like Pete said, just yawn. I had one that was an AFC that was the same way. As soon as the birds hit the ground and the working dog got his number (or should have), my old dog would excuse himself and head for the truck. The judges generally were laughing.
Originally Posted by DarrinGreene
I have never run HRC or AKC HTs and don't profess to know the rules there... But in my experience... Why are we even talking about this? Reminds me of the former NBA player Allen Iverson and his famous "practice" rant.
I must interject and ask for an opinion from all ends of our spectrum. I guess that would mean both MooseGooser and Ted and everyone in-between.
And I don't want this to be glazed over as a "Bora Promoting NAHRA again" thing as I know it is done and legal in all of the other venues afore mentioned.
The Cold Honor!
a few summers back (well maybe more than a few, I am thinking of Timber doodle in NH) at the NAHRA Field tests. A senior setup that was in vogue that summer was. Working dog comes to line. Another dog and handler are already in front of the judges. You sit in your assigned spot at the end. Like that age old hunt test scenario. You are late and the others started without you.
So you walk up and sit,
Other dog and handler and judges are hunting and are already "set up"
Marks go down.
Other dog picks them up!!!
Then leaves with all those birds and its handler!!!
Then you run a blind and move over to the front position, if you could do a blind retrieve after that.
Scenario, remember NAHRA has to have a hunting scenario given, is that the other dog couldn't run blind retrieves so could you pick up that last one?
And if you did it
Another dog and handler walked up to watch you get your marks.
Dogs and handlers set in the routine as you all so many are stating above would come unglued!
And the judges got a few test requirements over with in one swell foop.
So, why don't you guys mix it up more often?
Ted, have you ever tossed in a cold honor in a trial?
MooseGooser, have you seen this in your HRC days?
it is a fun set up.
Ken, well trained dogs don't come unglued on cold honors... At least the few that I have been associated with. It's no different than a poison bird scenario except that those marks are probably far enough out of the way to not be a bother. And have been picked up anyway... How many of us have never let a dog honor in training and watch another dog work?
Originally Posted by Ken Bora
Havent run that exact test you explained but something similar in HRC.
My experience in HRC has seen the Honor dog and Handler very much a part of the working dogs test.
I haven't read the other posts, but what does Honor mean to you and did you ask the judges the same? I had a senior dog who understand what I meant by no bird and decided to roll on her back with legs kicking in her joy, but never left the plain...The judge release the dog and remark "She is sure enjoying her space" and passed...When in doubt, ask.:)
Originally Posted by Ironwood
Thanks Bill (and others). I had to really think about this. I've judged a couple of AKC MH tests thus far and been to several dozen, along with probably 2-3 dozen FT's. I couldn't figure out why I hadn't noticed this phenomena. Then it hit me... Nothing to notice.
Originally Posted by huntinman